"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

Smoke,

You've posted before, so I'm sorry to say you do not qualify as a lurker, at least in my book, but thanks for signing in anyway!

Two things I notice right away, and I would welcome additional comments: $1500 a month rent! I don't know where you are located, but in Chicago, that buys you a sweet highrise apartment with a view of Lake Michigan and a terrace! If this is what she says she's paying it must be some fabulous pad, or she could be jerking your chain.

I would go with the latter, since she is asking for less than half of her monthly rent, not even the total monthly nut, for two conjugal visits per week. (I'm hoping I've done the math correctly. If not, sorry, I was a Humanities major in college!) At this point I would be asking myself if I even wanted Two visits per week, four weeks a month, twelve months a year, ten years a decade. Well, you get the point.

All this to say that if you want to hit it, by all means full speed ahead! What could it hurt? And nothing ventured, nothing fucked, if that's how that saying goes. But you might want to suggest to her that you start off with a weekly allowance, just to make sure you two are sympatico, and note to yourself the escape hatches nearest you should you have to bail.

In any event, please let us know how it all turns out.

In other news, my Nola baby (obsession!) , has cast up on the shores of Lake Michigan completely unexpectedly this weekend, and we are planning a get-together tomorrow around noon! My brothers, many of you know how I feel about her, so if I never post here again, you will know what has happened, and I hope you will contact me in the future should you ever get down to the Big Easy. I'd love to have a beer with you!

Fingers totally crossed,

Scott

1500 in any decent part of LA will get you a shitty 2 BR apt or a decent 1 BR or a nice studio. Nice but not awesome. Thats why I try to stick to the burbs.

[F Scott]

I am not a lurker, so do I qualify to post? .

Finally a none HYM. Guess it's my luck that I've meeting with 3 HYMs the past couple months.

I am not a big fan of AA girls, but this cutie seems to have lots of potentials. 24, went to college, work, and has her own place.

Needs help with her $1500 rent.

Agreed on $175 weekly allowance for 2 FC visits per week. I'll update in a couple of days after our first FC date.

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Smoke,

You've posted before, so I'm sorry to say you do not qualify as a lurker, at least in my book, but thanks for signing in anyway!

Two things I notice right away, and I would welcome additional comments: $1500 a month rent! I don't know where you are located, but in Chicago, that buys you a sweet highrise apartment with a view of Lake Michigan and a terrace! If this is what she says she's paying it must be some fabulous pad, or she could be jerking your chain.

I would go with the latter, since she is asking for less than half of her monthly rent, not even the total monthly nut, for two conjugal visits per week. (I'm hoping I've done the math correctly. If not, sorry, I was a Humanities major in college!) At this point I would be asking myself if I even wanted two visits per week, four weeks a month, twelve months a year, ten years a decade ... well, you get the point.

All this to say that if you want to hit it, by all means full speed ahead! What could it hurt? And nothing ventured, nothing fucked, if that's how that saying goes. But you might want to suggest to her that you start off with a weekly allowance, just to make sure you two are sympatico, and note to yourself the escape hatches nearest you should you have to bail.

In any event, please let us know how it all turns out.

In other news, my Nola baby (obsession!!) , has cast up on the shores of Lake Michigan completely unexpectedly this weekend, and we are planning a get-together tomorrow around noon!! My brothers, many of you know how I feel about her, so if I never post here again, you will know what has happened, and I hope you will contact me in the future should you ever get down to the Big Easy. I'd love to have a beer with you!

Fingers totally crossed,

Scott

[Member #5570]

I am not a lurker, so do I qualify to post? .

Finally a none HYM. Guess it's my luck that I've meeting with 3 HYMs the past couple months.

I am not a big fan of AA girls, but this cutie seems to have lots of potentials. 24, went to college, work, and has her own place.

Needs help with her $1500 rent.

Agreed on $175 weekly allowance for 2 FC visits per week. I'll update in a couple of days after our first FC date.

[Dsprdo]

Does anyone use one of the paid reverse phone lookup services when doing background? None of them are free, and I am not sure it's worth paying for. I was wondering if anyone had tried one and could comment on it.

[F Scott]

How about if we all stop posting until at least 3 new guys post. Lurkers / newbies cmon. Seems like the same 10 guys do all the posting. I think I posted on the site my first day. It was probably lame, but so what. No newbie bashing for the first 3 new posters. LOL

LBs (Lurker Brothers) ,

It is time to come out of the shadows and contribute! Even if it is only about POTS, it would be nice to hear of your experiences. I know you are out there, don't be shy!

Waiting,

Scott

[John HandCock]

How about if we all stop posting until at least 3 new guys post. Lurkers / newbies cmon. Seems like the same 10 guys do all the posting. I think I posted on the site my first day. It was probably lame, but so what. No newbie bashing for the first 3 new posters. LOL

Us newbies at least me don't have a lot to report. I have been a member of SD4M for a month now and I'm just not feeling the love LOL. I have had one M&G and that was from CL, which I thought went well. This was a married lady who has a shitty husband with 2-3 kids that needed help. She had just gotten off work and had 15 minutes to meet before having to be home. We ended up making out in the car, and she was very eager to take it to the next level when she left for home. Upon getting home she sent me a text that she couldn't wait for the next meeting and from there it went south.

I think she had a morality attack because I stressed to her that if she had any hopes for her marriage that she shouldn't do this because no matter how careful she was sooner or later the husband would find out. I would text and it would be hours before she would reply, then she was just too busy to make another meeting so after a week of this I gave up on her. The closest Sb to home to contact me is 1/2 hour drive, a 36 year old with kids that needs help, but there again has decided to try a second job before trying the SB route. I have had a bunch of ladies contact me that are 4-5 hours or further away but not going to get into the traveling mode for this. I cast my net for a 50 mile radius and there is over 100 pages of SB in this range and I have sent out numerous messages but as yet have not received any responses from the ladies close to home. Starting my 2nd month of SD4M and will evaluate what I want to do at the end of the month. This is why most lurkers don't post because we really have nothing to contribute.

[HollywoodGuy]

How about if we all stop posting until at least 3 new guys post. Lurkers / newbies cmon. Seems like the same 10 guys do all the posting. I think I posted on the site my first day. It was probably lame, but so what. No newbie bashing for the first 3 new posters. LOL

[F Scott]

I had accounts on both sites and currently active on both.

I see many fellows here have great success with SD4M, but for my area (Hartford, CT) , both qualities and quantities are far behind that of SA.

Curious if this varied significantly by areas. Would love to hear from others, where do you hunt?

I truly believe, as has been said, that SD4Me and SA vary according to geographical location, and of course, what kind of baby you are looking for. In my area, Chicago, I very much prefer SA over SD4Me, both in terms of quantity, but more importantly, quality. A while back I took advantage of the 3-day trial period on SD, (which turned into a 45 day access glitch, yay!) and found at least 75 to 80% of the babies on there were pros. In all fairness, my hot nursing student and my HYM both came from there, both of whom I continue to see, and both of whom are happy with a lower dose of sugar than my SA babies.

Now that I think of it, both of them are insatiable in bed as well. Hmmm, I may need to rethink this LOL! I do find the intellectual level of babies on SA to be higher, and thus the "added intangibles" package is greater. For me, at least, I want a connection that goes beyond the FC, and I find that, on a whole, the babies on SA are better educated, more well-rounded, and less in the Nando 1 territory.

I think the advice I would give to any new brother is to try them both and see which one you prefer, knowing things vary by area.

And, as always, don't forget to write!

Scott

[FotoGuy1970]

I had accounts on both sites and currently active on both.

I see many fellows here have great success with SD4M, but for my area (Hartford, CT) , both qualities and quantities are far behind that of SA.

Curious if this varied significantly by areas. Would love to hear from others, where do you hunt?

I've tried SD4M for their 3 day free trials on a couple of different occasions and I didn't have any success at all. I actually like SA an awful lot but my success rate has been awfully low there when I fish locally. On the other hand, when I used SA to fish for temporary SBs for a Vegas trip, my cup was overflowing with responses. So I suspect my lack of success locally with SA has more to do with my area than anything else. My best two SBs yet have both come from CL ads that I posted. Though CL has its own problems, I still favor that over either SA or SD4M.

[HollywoodGuy]

I had accounts on both sites and currently active on both.

I see many fellows here have great success with SD4M, but for my area (Hartford, CT) , both qualities and quantities are far behind that of SA.

Curious if this varied significantly by areas. Would love to hear from others, where do you hunt?

I think most agree that sd4me is more nando 1 territory. I like it because it has a lot of young AA spinners that ready willing and able.

[Member #5570]

I had accounts on both sites and currently active on both.

I see many fellows here have great success with SD4M, but for my area (Hartford, CT) , both qualities and quantities are far behind that of SA.

Curious if this varied significantly by areas. Would love to hear from others, where do you hunt?

[FredMoore]

I went to spend the night with SB # 1 as usual and her phone was turned off, so I didn't keep up with my burner. In the AM I couldn't find it so it either fell out or she nabbed it when we went for a snack. I also didn't have the PW feature on so she could access all my black book and numerous texts with many other girls. There was no I'd info leading to me and she was never in the car alone so I know she didn't rifle through my papers. She might have seen / felt it on the floorboard under her feet and been curious. She said cars in her apartment complex were broken into so maybe some itinerant gypsy thief was skimming cash and saleable items.

Speaking of :

SB #1 Is getting a little Nando 1 and asked for her 1st advance. I do "trust her" so I might prepay. If I get scammed it won't be a big loss. She has no meal requirements so the total tab is 250 all night. She is a hot little spinner but is not sexually adventurous. She does willingly receive my BB donation.

SB #2

Is a weekly appointment for a few hours but it does cost me 300 plus dinner. She is a little chubby so I am interviewing a super hottie.

Pot #1

Is a 9/9? Asian. I love Asians so I hope I can nab her. She will be in big demand so I give her a 20 % chance. Again I will be bargaining for a fast trip to the FC.

WG (working girl)

I might replace SB #2 with a WG since it is transactional and there is no pretense to wine and dine . She is really a one or two hour girl anyway so I have to drive 1 1/2 hrs each way ,treat to dinner ,then don't get the all night pop, so it deserves rethinking .

WG#1 is my old time fav ,reliable, BB ,GFE .

WG #2 is a hot blonde referred to me by a friend . I will see if she is available . No travel or dinner saves me prob $100 minimum

[Dog Rice]

John,

I have tried about the multi-hour distance SBs (actually, is a freebie) for a year or so. It was fun and rewarding, but it is getting too risky over time. I was spending more and more time away from home (because it was FUN) , and I can "smell" that SO is getting curious about me being so busy. So, I ended the relationship painful but it was a wise call.

Now, I am pretty much up front w / the pot about going to FC (or M&G at a coffee shop). This cuts down my selection significantly. I had two SBs who can host at their place, which is one of the ideal situation as going to hotel is risky as well.

Buz travel is great! I was traveling every 2 months internationally before 2009 (damn financial breakdown.) , and I had freebies / gfs in multiple cities. Great time back then.

I'm in the same boat as Nando, Smokarz, and Dog Rice. It would be great to take a SB to a fancy restaurant, go sailing, museums, and etc. But being married, I have to be very discreet so that's basically playing with fire if I do those things within a hour radius of where I live. You never know who will see you and it's even worse if you don't see them.

So I really only do outdoor activities with a SB if I'm at least 90-120 minutes away from home and it's not in a population center. And even then, I can only go on multi-hour excursions off the grid like that maybe once or twice a month. And I don't want to drive 4 hours round-trip just for a 45 minute M&G that doesn't go anywhere. So when I drive that far it's usually straight to the FC and then we might do some outdoor activities afterward. If we've already met before then sometimes we'll do the outdoor activities first.

Locally, I try to avoid the typical M&G like the plague. Just way too risky even if you find a quiet spot on the other side of town. I've run into people I know randomly all over the place within 45-50 minute radius of my house. So I take the same approach as Nando. I try to be a gentleman and respectful, but explain why I need to meet directly at the FC and be discreet. Girls who have boyfriends and husbands generally want discretion themselves and understand. But single SBs sometimes have a hard time with this because they do want that dating experience. With the right SB, I have taken a road-trip with them out of town for some fun, but it's the exception. I not only need to have enough free time but it needs to be with a SB who I could spend 4 hours in the car with without going crazy.

I really do envy those married guys who travel frequently out of state. It means you can actually behave like a single guy when you're with your SB.

[HappyHunter44]

I'm in the same boat as Nando, Smokarz, and Dog Rice. It would be great to take a SB to a fancy restaurant, go sailing, museums, and etc. But being married, I have to be very discreet so that's basically playing with fire if I do those things within a hour radius of where I live. You never know who will see you and it's even worse if you don't see them.

So I really only do outdoor activities with a SB if I'm at least 90-120 minutes away from home and it's not in a population center. And even then, I can only go on multi-hour excursions off the grid like that maybe once or twice a month. And I don't want to drive 4 hours round-trip just for a 45 minute M&G that doesn't go anywhere. So when I drive that far it's usually straight to the FC and then we might do some outdoor activities afterward. If we've already met before then sometimes we'll do the outdoor activities first.

Locally, I try to avoid the typical M&G like the plague. Just way too risky even if you find a quiet spot on the other side of town. I've run into people I know randomly all over the place within 45-50 minute radius of my house. So I take the same approach as Nando. I try to be a gentleman and respectful, but explain why I need to meet directly at the FC and be discreet. Girls who have boyfriends and husbands generally want discretion themselves and understand. But single SBs sometimes have a hard time with this because they do want that dating experience. With the right SB, I have taken a road-trip with them out of town for some fun, but it's the exception. I not only need to have enough free time but it needs to be with a SB who I could spend 4 hours in the car with without going crazy.

I really do envy those married guys who travel frequently out of state. It means you can actually behave like a single guy when you're with your SB.

I second this post. I just started in the SB world and its straight to the FC for me. Other stuff way too risky.

I also would like to thank everyone here that guided me in my adventures. Would not have started without you. Nothing to report just yet, but have a couple SBs I am working on. One MILF and another single. Both 25, or so they say. One sounds like she is still married. Need super undercover for that one.

[GeorgeRichmond]

I really do envy those married guys who travel frequently out of state. It means you can actually behave like a single guy when you're with your SB.

JGS.

Well said. I think only MILF or pros will go to FC directly. I was lucky to travel twice to NJ and had heck of a time. I was behaving like single and absolutely was not worries anywhere. Obviously NJ is 5-6 hours from RIC. My problem is don't travel that often. But I agree, those who travel for business. You can have lots of fun.