"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[John G Smith]

I'm in the same boat as Nando, Smokarz, and Dog Rice. It would be great to take a SB to a fancy restaurant, go sailing, museums, and etc. But being married, I have to be very discreet so that's basically playing with fire if I do those things within a hour radius of where I live. You never know who will see you and it's even worse if you don't see them.

So I really only do outdoor activities with a SB if I'm at least 90-120 minutes away from home and it's not in a population center. And even then, I can only go on multi-hour excursions off the grid like that maybe once or twice a month. And I don't want to drive 4 hours round-trip just for a 45 minute M&G that doesn't go anywhere. So when I drive that far it's usually straight to the FC and then we might do some outdoor activities afterward. If we've already met before then sometimes we'll do the outdoor activities first.

Locally, I try to avoid the typical M&G like the plague. Just way too risky even if you find a quiet spot on the other side of town. I've run into people I know randomly all over the place within 45-50 minute radius of my house. So I take the same approach as Nando. I try to be a gentleman and respectful, but explain why I need to meet directly at the FC and be discreet. Girls who have boyfriends and husbands generally want discretion themselves and understand. But single SBs sometimes have a hard time with this because they do want that dating experience. With the right SB, I have taken a road-trip with them out of town for some fun, but it's the exception. I not only need to have enough free time but it needs to be with a SB who I could spend 4 hours in the car with without going crazy.

I really do envy those married guys who travel frequently out of state. It means you can actually behave like a single guy when you're with your SB.

[John G Smith]

Congrats! Sounds like you won the jackpot!

You did exactly the right thing with her. I'd suggest that you also take her for a nice dinner now and then, and open doors for her etc. The Japanese women I've dated have always commented that I treated them with respect and like a lady in public, and that most guys haven't done so. Do that and you'll keep her for some time!

Did you enjoy the squeaking? If you don't understand what I'm asking, then take a look at some true Japanese porn and notice the noises the women make! .

Thanks ChiGuy and BikeRider. I've had some up and downs recently and a legit Long-Term SB has seemed very elusive in recent months. It's still too early to tell, but I might have finally found a perfect fit with my Tokyo SB. We'll see.

As for as squeaking, she definitely made some unique sounds. But it wasn't as exaggerated as you might see in some of the Japanese porn. My Tokyo baby is also a bit of a talker when things heat up and she would alternate between saying things in English and Japanese, which honestly made the experience even hotter.

[FotoGuy1970]

The two best SBs I've had yet both came from them responding to CL ads I had placed. I've found CL overall much more rewarding than SA.

[Dog Rice]

Smokarz / Hernardo,

Completely agreed with you. And on the same boat with you two. I tried to get those 18/19 babes, but no luck because I just can't do "regular dating" with them. MILF are better, but still some MILFs are asking for crazy sugar amount in San Diego.

I am pretty much in the same boat as Nando.

Being married with kids, your time is very limited. That's why it's been really tough to try to land a true civil hot 18/19 yes old babes. These babes usually require multiple meets before the FC.

Like Nando. I have been pretty direct with my approach with the babies, while being very respectful and patience. Never give them the thought that you're being aggressive or forceful. This approach works with the slightly older babies, mid 20s. It works particularly well with the hot young moms.

[BikeRider]

But I still gave her several gift cards and put them in a nice gift basket, so I still gave her something to show her I was a gentleman and not just looking for a free fuck.

We've already texted a little bit since the meeting and things look very promising. She also sent me a pic of her in a school girl outfit, which was a nice surprise. She definitely has the potential to be a ATF or QSB (Quality Sugar Baby). Also she primarily hangs out in the Japanese community and has a preference for my race, so hopefully it won't be too difficult for me to hold on to her.

Congrats! Sounds like you won the jackpot!

You did exactly the right thing with her. I'd suggest that you also take her for a nice dinner now and then, and open doors for her etc. The Japanese women I've dated have always commented that I treated them with respect and like a lady in public, and that most guys haven't done so. Do that and you'll keep her for some time!

Did you enjoy the squeaking? If you don't understand what I'm asking, then take a look at some true Japanese porn and notice the noises the women make! .

[GeorgeRichmond]

I am pretty much in the same boat as Nando.

Being married with kids, your time is very limited. That's why it's been really tough to try to land a true civil hot 18/19 yes old babes. These babes usually require multiple meets before the FC.

Like Nando. I have been pretty direct with my approach with the babies, while being very respectful and patience. Never give them the thought that you're being aggressive or forceful. This approach works with the slightly older babies, mid 20s. It works particularly well with the hot young moms.

Looks like we are in the same boat. Married with kids. I m back into the game to find new SB as my local one is not contacting me. She is 30 yr old and one of my long distance one in NJ (which I dated twice) is 24 yr old. But am thinking about 1-2 hour drive is little safer than local. I met my friend he told me he saw me in a restaurant with someone. I told him that was college student that we are working for a project. But need to sort local vs outskirts or long distance. To get 18/19 it might be better to go out of reach but I agree it takes lot more M&G

[Member #5570]

I am pretty much in the same boat as Nando.

Being married with kids, your time is very limited. That's why it's been really tough to try to land a true civil hot 18/19 yes old babes. These babes usually require multiple meets before the FC.

Like Nando. I have been pretty direct with my approach with the babies, while being very respectful and patience. Never give them the thought that you're being aggressive or forceful. This approach works with the slightly older babies, mid 20s. It works particularly well with the hot young moms.

[Hernando]

Smoke,

I listen to things they tell me, text them in the interim, tell them they are beautiful and special, and try to give them as many orgasms as they can handle! I take them to nice restaurants, buy them flowers, clothes or groceries; take them to museums and concerts, sailing or make them picnics. In short, I treat them in a way that none of the douche-bag guys their own age do, or even come close to doing.

I put the sugar in a funny card with a short note of appreciation, or in a book I bought them that we might have been talking about, but never on the bedside table LOL! In the best relationships I have had, after a while the sugar becomes an afterthought in a way. While I always give it, it is often a few days or a week after an FC visit, or sometimes in advance of one. I believe it all comes down to how you treat your babies. Treat them well, in more ways than sugar, and it will come back to you a hundred-fold.

For more excellent ideas, scroll back and take a look at Tigg's MO. He and I share a very similar outlook, one proven to work.

Scott

The secret that Scotty (and a few others) share involve real life dating techniques ignore the short term to gain a loyal long term Baby.

Most of us married guys can not engage in dating per se. The possibility of going to movies, concerts, even restaurants is fraught with hazard. So my game is limited to being a nice, sweet, loving guy while I am asking her if she is ready for the FC. I know I scare many new SBs away by my gentlemanly aggressive approach in going to the FC after a M&G, but it is what it is. If I were single it would be fun to sport these youngsters around to nifty activities.

Scotty, you are married so I don't know how you are able to date at home anyway. I can understand road trips hundreds of miles away though.

Before my sugar involvement I will never forget a friend who was divorced (50s) showing up at a Country Club Gala with the hottest young blue eyed blond I've ever seen. Nobody could believe it but now I know that she was a SB (or a high level escort ).

[ChiGuy606]

JGS,

I'm overjoyed to hear this news. I was actually reviewing your post from earlier last night & was going to ask you how this went.

Sounds like an idillic situation. A taste of something exotic, obviously easy on the pocket book, and an intense experience all around.

I suspect you have 100's of jealous readers giving you mental high-fives at the moment.

Congrats!

[John G Smith]

As mentioned in the last report, I was scheduled to have a date / FC visit with a 24 (?) year-old Japanese SB. I was looking forward to it because it would not only be my first full-blooded Asian SB but my first time specifically with a Japanese woman in my personal life or mongering. I have to say, the experience lived up to much of the hype.

While she is new to the Sugar Bowl, as some of you correctly pointed out,"compensated dating" has been around in Japan for a long time. Some studies have estimated over 30% of high school Japanese girls have been in some form of a "compensated" relationship. Though those relationships didn't always involve sexual relations.

So we met directly at the FC and she walked in through the door, she looked even better than I expected. She's tall (maybe 5'9") , thin and long legs. I'd probably give her a (9/9) , (face / body). We talked briefly but I could tell she was ready to go. She didn't need any warming up. What was amazing is that just simple rhythmic touches would have her writhing in ecstasy. Most women I've been with, you generally have to stimulate the pleasure areas to really get them going, but with this girl it was like almost her whole body was a pleasure zone and she would respond to every touch. I don't even think we kissed that much but I didn't even notice since almost every touch was passionate and sensuous. And when things picked up the pace, she became more aggressive and it took every ounce of my energy to keep pace with this sexual creature. At risk of upsetting a few of the brothers here, I'll leave out some of the remaining details. But suffice to say things got very wild toward the end.

We actually just ended up just having one round but then we laid around naked stroking each other for about a hour or so and talking. Then we parted ways since it was a weekday afternoon.

My Euro Baby is my gold standard and I compare everything to that. That experience will be very hard to top. But this experience came awfully close and some ways exceeded it. My Tokyo SB probably has more sexual intensity (ie. She's more of a freak, LOL) than the Euro Baby. But the Euro Baby is probably a tad bit hotter and the conversation flowed a tad bit easier. However with my Tokyo SB we already worked out the financial part of the arrangement, so that's in order and she's happy. BTW, I should mention I didn't give her an allowance at the FC. She agreed to meet first and then I would help with some school expenses afterward (This basically confirmed to me she wasn't a Pro). But I still gave her several gift cards and put them in a nice gift basket, so I still gave her something to show her I was a gentleman and not just looking for a free fuck.

We've already texted a little bit since the meeting and things look very promising. She also sent me a pic of her in a school girl outfit, which was a nice surprise. She definitely has the potential to be a ATF or QSB (Quality Sugar Baby). Also she primarily hangs out in the Japanese community and has a preference for my race, so hopefully it won't be too difficult for me to hold on to her.

On a side note, I know I'm speaking from somewhat limited experience but it really does seem like the foreign SBs who've only been in America for a few years make for some of the best sugar babies. Obviously it depends on the native country, but Eastern european countries, certain Asian and Latin american countries the women there will treat you like a king because their cultures still value men and women are raised to treat their men well. Young American college women here are still a great piece of ass. But many of them need to be taught to be sexually adventurous / passionate and others have the attitude they're doing you a favor. There's always exceptions, but if you manage to run into a foreign-born SB, definitely jump at the opportunity.

I'm just glad that since I've streamlined my docket, I can now afford my Tokyo SB. Not just by giving her the agreed upon allowance items, but also to afford the small touches like gift cards and etc, which will make the arrangement more organic and less transactional.

[HollywoodGuy]

After re-reading what I wrote I just want to emphasize this line.

If (like all of us) your holy grail goal is to meet an excited, beautiful, well-rounded first-timer. You really are going to have to be concerned with her nerves. Her being nervous is the #1 thing that'll work against you. You're (probably) going to have to go to multiple M&Gs where there is no sex involved. Deal with it (and enjoy it for fuck's sake). In the end you're going to have to convince her that this is not much different than any college or bar hookup she's had in the past, & to forget the money involved. Note that I'm not saying give sugar before the FC. Never ever ever do this! But you'll probably have to do a few lunches, cocktails, etc.

I always go out of my way to tell the girls that I really want them to tell me what I can do to make them comfortable. Sometimes all it is is for me to tell them about my life, growing up, what my family is like, etc. Then they feel a connection with you & its a whole lot easier for them to follow you through that hotel room door. I make it clear to them that it's meaningless to me if they are not enjoying themselves, and that I'm willing to do whatever it takes to make them comfortable with me because I do not want to be there if they aren't having a good time.

By the way that's not hard for me to say because it's honest truth. If you look at my posting history here, you'll notice the lack of reports with 'certain types' of women. I don't want to sleep with someone who is unenthusiastic & doesn't want to be there. I can get that at home LOL. GREAT sex is always bi-directional. That's what you should strive for.

I would only add that at least for me if the chemstry isn't instant there usually isn't a second date. All 3 girls I see now had sex with me on the first date. And looking back except for a rare one or two it's always been like that. Including both my x wives.

I have a very specific type of girl I am attracted to, and I am a specific type as well. I try to predetermine thier attraction to my type upfront to avoid wasted time. It seems when I try to convince them it leads to nowhere. But I do lay quite a few cards on the table beforehand. And try to get as much relevant (what I consider to be relevant) info from them as well.

I am open to different arrangements, as we all are. So the interview stage can vary. Depending on that, it could go serious or not. But I never seem to stick to the casual arrangements. They either progress or die. I do currently have 2 girls in the convincing mode. And so far no real luck. A few sexy dates. No real commitment from them.

[ChiGuy606]

ESPECIALLY how I make them comfortable with me.

After re-reading what I wrote I just want to emphasize this line.

If (like all of us) your holy grail goal is to meet an excited, beautiful, well-rounded first-timer. You really are going to have to be concerned with her nerves. Her being nervous is the #1 thing that'll work against you. You're (probably) going to have to go to multiple M&Gs where there is no sex involved. Deal with it (and enjoy it for fuck's sake). In the end you're going to have to convince her that this is not much different than any college or bar hookup she's had in the past, & to forget the money involved. Note that I'm not saying give sugar before the FC. Never ever ever do this! But you'll probably have to do a few lunches, cocktails, etc.

I always go out of my way to tell the girls that I really want them to tell me what I can do to make them comfortable. Sometimes all it is is for me to tell them about my life, growing up, what my family is like, etc. Then they feel a connection with you & its a whole lot easier for them to follow you through that hotel room door. I make it clear to them that it's meaningless to me if they are not enjoying themselves, and that I'm willing to do whatever it takes to make them comfortable with me because I do not want to be there if they aren't having a good time.

By the way that's not hard for me to say because it's honest truth. If you look at my posting history here, you'll notice the lack of reports with 'certain types' of women. I don't want to sleep with someone who is unenthusiastic & doesn't want to be there. I can get that at home LOL. GREAT sex is always bi-directional. That's what you should strive for.

[HollywoodGuy]

So far 100% of the babies who have made it into the fc with me have commented on the fact that they choose me mostly because I was so sweet towards them and treated them so nice and normal. A lot of the time they passed up more money to be with me mainly because how I treat them and ESPECIALLY how I make them comfortable with me.

This is it. Just add in some loyalty to the girls and a little humorous perversion and its an equation that works.

[HollywoodGuy]

Hollywood,

You are right in that there are a few guys out there who apparently cough up the big bucks, but I think in reality they are few and far between. Mandy had found a couple apparently (where is she, by the way?) , but from my intel in the streets, most of the 3K+ a month guys are totally full of shit. Just take a minute or two to peruse the SB blogs vs the SD blogs. The babies by far tell the truth, while the daddies all puff themselves up, with a Kia becoming a Jaguar, and a job as a security guard becoming a partner in a security management firm!

Just a little help, though. What do you mean by "$/e / p"? Like you, I look for babies who are looking for the whole package, as opposed to a fuck for cash. I have passed on what looks like some awesome pussy, but I'm proud of myself, I think!

Slow day at work, obviously,

Scott.

PS. Plus, I think if I used your formula for calculating average monthly Sugar expenses, I might be around 1600 or so. Again, this number rises when I am on the road, but falls when I am spending time with long-term babies. As an example, I spent a few hours recently with Naughty Brit for a bottle of champagne, some organic orange juice, and a ridiculously small amount of sugar, especially when compared with the number of orgasms we each had, and the time elapsed. My abs were sore the next morning, LOL!

$ = financial.

E = emotional.

P = physical

[F Scott]

In short treat them like the beautiful, smart, funny, cool chicks that they are. Make an effort to talk to them and get to know them. The little extra effort separates you from 90% of the guys in the crowd & it pays off in many many ways.

Chi,
A well-crafted distillation of the right way to go about things, my friend - at least in my opinion. That is if you are fishing for High Quality babies.

Scott

PS - Or in fact, even if you are not. We are all people worthy of respect, are we not? The homeless person at the stoplight is still a human being, after all. It is often just luck and circumstance that she is not sitting in my Volvo, and I am not shaking her cup.