"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**ChiGuy606** · 07-31-13 20:09

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

I strive to treat them all with kindness and respect, and never like it's

I listen to things they tell me, text them in the interim, tell them they are beautiful and special, and try to give them as many orgasms as they can handle! I take them to nice restaurants, buy them flowers, clothes or groceries; take them to museums and concerts, sailing or make them picnics. In short, I treat them in a way that none of the douche-bag guys their own age do, or even come close to doing.

Scottie's game is the way we all need to be playing this. I know I've strived to approach the game the way he teaches us and I have had success beyond my wildest dreams with using very very modest funds.

So far 100% of the babies who have made it into the fc with me have commented on the fact that they choose me mostly because I was so sweet towards them and treated them so nice and normal. A lot of the time they passed up more money to be with me mainly because how I treat them and ESPECIALLY how I make them comfortable with me. I go for very well established women with professional jobs or babies in grad school who have their shit together exclusively.

In short treat them like the beautiful, smart, funny, cool chicks that they are. Make an effort to talk to them and get to know them. The little extra effort separates you from 90% of the guys in the crowd & it pays off in many many ways.

I *try* to play the game but let's be honest. Scottie takes this to such a higher league, we just have to sit back and watch in awe!

**F Scott** · 07-31-13 20:01

Originally Posted by Secret2 [View Original Post]

Scott I'm doing pretty well on craigslist with the SB. I'm just always looking for something new. There is no pussy like new pussy. I just notice that every once in a while I'll get response quoting $2-5K a month. Tax free! WTF!
I enjoy reading this forum because there is so info here. You guys hit every angle of this SB / SD game. The Good and the Bad and the Ugly. RICMOND? Who would have thunk it?

Secret, my brother,

We are a national clubhouse, but we just happen to be based in Richmond thanks to our Pater Familias, Literal2, who started this thread. In truth, Sugar Wisdom has no boundaries. Lurkers, if you have anything to contribute, post up! We welcome all contributions, as long as they are civil and contributory. Aggression has no place here, in my opinion.

Scott

**Secret2** · 07-31-13 19:29

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Secret,

As has been said many times in the clubhouse, babies can tell you whatever they want, but it doesn't make it true. However, the same goes for the guys on these sites. I promise you, there are more flakes and fakes than legits, on both sides of the fence, but the odds are in our favor.

In my area, Chicago, there are something like 400 registered (not necessarily active) SDs, but almost 6000 (again, not necessarily active) SBs. I think that's an awfully good ratio, and one that makes me think all that is required is patience and persistence to land pretty much any baby I want.

Your CL find may have just been testing the waters with you, and not have another dude on the line at all. Think about it: if her target is 2K per month, and she's got someone willing to pay that (so she thinks) , why would she be wasting her time on you? In my experience, CL posters are either fakes, pros, or scammers, with the RARE amateur who quickly gets swallowed up or scared off.

If you are serious about entering the Bowl, I would recommend signing up for one of the legitimate sites, like SA or SD4Me. Read back through the thread to see the pros and cons of each, and then try them both to see which is better in your area. Everything you need to know is contained in these pages.

Good luck, and don't forget to write!

Scott

Scott I'm doing pretty well on craigslist with the SB. I'm just always looking for something new. There is no pussy like new pussy. I just notice that every once in a while I'll get response quoting $2-5K a month. Tax free! WTF!

I enjoy reading this forum because there is so info here. You guys hit every angle of this SB / SD game. The Good and the Bad and the Ugly. RICMOND? Who would have thunk it?

**F Scott** · 07-31-13 18:33

Originally Posted by Wnde8 [View Original Post]

Does anyone here prefer fishing on Craigslist for non-pros over the Arrangement sites?

I have a friend here in Chicago who has astounding luck on CL, but I haven't managed to attract anything other than Eastern European (fake) hotties asking for my cc# so they can buy a plane ticket to come to the US and fuck me forever, other fakers from who-knows-where trying to trick me into verification sites where I pay to "prove I'm real", and the occasional guy who just wants to blow me but is pretending to be a girl. It may be my approach, or my text, or who knows what, but I don't waste my time with it anymore. I just let my buddy pass me along to his finds who he's done with.

In my experience, and granted it's limited, the true amateurs get scooped up within moments of posting by experts like my friend. For me, CL takes way more time, effort and game to land a non-pro fish than the Sugar sites, and while it may be cheaper, you have to almost make it your full-time job, just to save a Benjamin. And believe me, the CL girls are not any less flaky or less prone to bolt on you. Hot, non-pro pussy is skittish the world around.

Just my experience,

Scott

**Dsprdo** · 07-31-13 18:20

Originally Posted by Wnde8 [View Original Post]

Does anyone here prefer fishing on Craigslist for non-pros over the Arrangement sites?

I recently spent a few days fishing on CL because I had heard there were still nuggets to be found there and came away with absolutely nothing but spam.

**F Scott** · 07-31-13 17:35

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

I always figure the sugar plus their half of everything into my monthly report spreadsheet. This year its at 2500 a month. I won't tell you my maximum years. As it was more than my current annual income. But now, as my game is as strong as it can get, and as my fortunes rise I do not foresee a corresponding rise in my sugar expenses. I definitely papered things over in the beginning to compensate for my insecurities.

So when you hear about guys offering large sums, sometimes it is true. Knowing that, I have to have a defense for the new girls to sway their decision making. The relationships I have now are far more balanced in terms of the $/e / p needs of the girls I see. And I only target the ones that are looking for that type of balanced relationship as opposed to the ones that can just be bought off (and many can be). But all you are buying is their body. Their minds are somewhere else. Or like my live-in likes to say, to tolerate their company she has to just "think happy thoughts"

Hollywood,

You are right in that there are a few guys out there who apparently cough up the big bucks, but I think in reality they are few and far between. Mandy had found a couple apparently (where is she, by the way?) , but from my intel in the streets, most of the 3K+ a month guys are totally full of shit. Just take a minute or two to peruse the SB blogs vs the SD blogs. The babies by far tell the truth, while the daddies all puff themselves up, with a Kia becoming a Jaguar, and a job as a security guard becoming a partner in a security management firm!

Just a little help, though. What do you mean by "$ /e / p"? Like you, I look for babies who are looking for the whole package, as opposed to a fuck for cash. I have passed on what looks like some awesome pussy, but I'm proud of myself, I think!

Slow day at work, obviously,

Scott

PS - Plus, I think if I used your formula for calculating average monthly Sugar expenses, I might be around 1600 or so. Again, this number rises when I am on the road, but falls when I am spending time with long-term babies. As an example, I spent a few hours recently with Naughty Brit for a bottle of champagne, some organic orange juice, and a ridiculously small amount of sugar, especially when compared with the number of orgasms we each had, and the time elapsed. My abs were sore the next morning, lol!

**HollywoodGuy** · 07-31-13 17:22

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

PS - my average sugar per month is 1.2 K, spread out over several very fine, Quality Babies, and I have as much action as I can handle. But I have been at this for a few years, and I feel like my game is pretty good. BTW, that figure is sugar only, and does not include incidentals like hotel, drinks or meals. I figure since I am enjoying those expenses as well as my babies, I can't really charge them against the Sugar Account.

I always figure the sugar plus their half of everything into my monthly report spreadsheet. This year its at 2500 a month. I won't tell you my maximum years. As it was more than my current annual income. But now, as my game is as strong as it can get, and as my fortunes rise I do not foresee a corresponding rise in my sugar expenses. I definitely papered things over in the beginning to compensate for my insecurities.

So when you hear about guys offering large sums, sometimes it is true. Knowing that, I have to have a defense for the new girls to sway their decision making. The relationships I have now are far more balanced in terms of the $ / e / p needs of the girls I see. And I only target the ones that are looking for that type of balanced relationship as opposed to the ones that can just be bought off (and many can be). But all you are buying is their body. Their minds are somewhere else. Or like my live-in likes to say, to tolerate their company she has to just "think happy thoughts"

**HollywoodGuy** · 07-31-13 16:59

Forgetting the obviously outlandish offers even an 18 year old won't believe. But keeping in mind they might consider a legit offer of $$$ - $$$$$ from a real SD. Lately I have been telling the new girls "I realize you are reading all the big money offers. Just remember. You get what they pay for."

I remember an escort I used to see that wasn't worth the $ a date I was paying her. But she routinely got $$$ a date from guys that made her cringe or worse. I do believe this thread is about developing game. I hope I am contributing to that in some way as mine has definitely gone up in the short time I have been here.

**Wnde8** · 07-31-13 16:00

Does anyone here prefer fishing on Craigslist for non-pros over the Arrangement sites?

**Spitfire** · 07-31-13 15:41

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Secret,

As has been said many times in the clubhouse, babies can tell you whatever they want, but it doesn't make it true. However, the same goes for the guys on these sites. I promise you, there are more flakes and fakes than legits, on both sides of the fence, but the odds are in our favor.

In my area, Chicago, there are something like 400 registered (not necessarily active) SDs, but almost 6000 (again, not necessarily active) SBs. I think that's an awfully good ratio, and one that makes me think all that is required is patience and persistence to land pretty much any baby I want.

Your CL find may have just been testing the waters with you, and not have another dude on the line at all. Think about it: if her target is 2K per month, and she's got someone willing to pay that (so she thinks) , why would she be wasting her time on you? In my experience, CL posters are either fakes, pros, or scammers, with the RARE amateur who quickly gets swallowed up or scared off.

If you are serious about entering the Bowl, I would recommend signing up for one of the legitimate sites, like SA or SD4Me. Read back through the thread to see the pros and cons of each, and then try them both to see which is better in your area. Everything you need to know is contained in these pages.

Good luck, and don't forget to write!

Scott

If you chat with someone who has GPS, say something like "if you find someone who will provide you with (whatever amount) per month, then you take it" and be willing to move on without her. More times than not she'll circle back to you.

**F Scott** · 07-31-13 15:15

Originally Posted by Secret2 [View Original Post]

That's exactly what I told her. It's a marketing tactic. I also told her that she was responding to a CL ad. She claimed that she had already found her sugar daddy. I guess she was testing me to see if I would give her more than the 2k a month someone else offered her. I know she has been searching at least since April because she has responded to my ad a couple of times.

Secret,

As has been said many times in the clubhouse, babies can tell you whatever they want, but it doesn't make it true. However, the same goes for the guys on these sites. I promise you, there are more flakes and fakes than legits, on both sides of the fence, but the odds are in our favor.

In my area, Chicago, there are something like 400 registered (not necessarily active) SDs, but almost 6000 (again, not necessarily active) SBs. I think that's an awfully good ratio, and one that makes me think all that is required is patience and persistence to land pretty much any baby I want.

Your CL find may have just been testing the waters with you, and not have another dude on the line at all. Think about it: if her target is 2K per month, and she's got someone willing to pay that (so she thinks) , why would she be wasting her time on you? In my experience, CL posters are either fakes, pros, or scammers, with the RARE amateur who quickly gets swallowed up or scared off.

If you are serious about entering the Bowl, I would recommend signing up for one of the legitimate sites, like SA or SD4Me. Read back through the thread to see the pros and cons of each, and then try them both to see which is better in your area. Everything you need to know is contained in these pages.

Good luck, and don't forget to write!

Scott

**Secret2** · 07-31-13 15:00

Originally Posted by HollywoodGuy [View Original Post]

This is marketing BS disseminated to attract girls to their site.

That's exactly what I told her. It's a marketing tactic. I also told her that she was responding to a CL ad. She claimed that she had already found her sugar daddy. I guess she was testing me to see if I would give her more than the 2k a month someone else offered her. I know she has been searching at least since April because she has responded to my ad a couple of times.

**F Scott** · 07-31-13 14:39

Originally Posted by Smokarz_XO [View Original Post]

Scott.

Did I hear that right? You spend a total of 1. 2k a month for all your babies? Not each?

Well Sir, your game is unbeatable.

Smoke,

Thanks for the compliment!

That's right, average monthly total for all babies. Some months more, some less, but that is the average. I don't see each baby every week, though, but I strive to treat them all with kindness and respect, and never like it's a business transaction.

I listen to things they tell me, text them in the interim, tell them they are beautiful and special, and try to give them as many orgasms as they can handle! I take them to nice restaurants, buy them flowers, clothes or groceries; take them to museums and concerts, sailing or make them picnics. In short, I treat them in a way that none of the douche-bag guys their own age do, or even come close to doing.

I put the sugar in a funny card with a short note of appreciation, or in a book I bought them that we might have been talking about, but never on the bedside table lol! In the best relationships I have had, after a while the sugar becomes an afterthought in a way. While I always give it, it is often a few days or a week after an FC visit, or sometimes in advance of one. I believe it all comes down to how you treat your babies. Treat them well, in more ways than sugar, and it will come back to you a hundred-fold.

For more excellent ideas, scroll back and take a look at Tigg's MO. He and I share a very similar outlook, one proven to work.

Scott

**Member #5570** · 07-31-13 14:16

Scott.

Did I hear that right? You spend a total of 1. 2k a month for all your babies? Not each?

Well Sir, your game is unbeatable.

**F Scott** · 07-31-13 12:30

Originally Posted by Pats Fan1 [View Original Post]

A couple of months ago I did a false experiment to find out more about the approaches some guys were using and the like. I kind of wanted to see if most guys had game or were dipstciks. So one of my Sb's was departing as school was ending for her. She let me use her pic. She is a solid 9+. Very good looking blonde / blue eyes / slim / kind of busty / good looking face. I used her pic and I wrote the profile. Just to see what would come back.

So How does this relate to the average? There were three straight up offers before any meeting that were in excess of $100K per year. LOL yeah, I'm not shitting you. Many others were in the 2-3K per month range. So I could see the average being 3k maybe. But the majority of gals are going to be getting 800-1200 I'd bet.

By the way, reading these messages that came in. I was also so excited to see how stupid most of the competition was for me. I understand now why a lot of woman think men are dumb. No creativity, no imagination, no effort, no game. The typical email back was 2-3 lines and would say something like "let me take you out to dinner then w'ell go back to my hotel room and have fun. I'll give you 2K a month and we do this 1x-2x per week. Text me Bill"

I created a fake baby profile when I was first starting out in the Bowl, just to see how things went and maybe pick up a few pointers on how to word my profile, initial message, follow-up, etc. Like you, I was pleased to see how lame most of the texts were, and how a majority of the guys on the site were apparently millionaire Abecrombie models who made 250K a year LOL!

As we all know, one can say anything on the internet, but the proof is in the follow-thru. I have heard stories about guys promising thousands per month, but scamming a "test drive" for a couple Bennies, the "per meet average" of 2K x 8 meets / month, and then vanishing. Soon enough these girls learn the reality of things, and I often have been contacted a week or two after an initial m&g by a baby who was lured away by false promises, only to realize that I was the real deal all along. Fortunately, all it takes is one time being scammed for them to develop a sensitive BS meter.

The key to success, I believe, is to be your honest self, (secret identity nothwithstanding) , polish your text, contact and follow-up, stick to what you can afford, and let the right babies find you. They always do, trust me.

Scott

PS - my average sugar per month is 1.2 K, spread out over several very fine, Quality Babies, and I have as much action as I can handle. But I have been at this for a few years, and I feel like my game is pretty good. BTW, that figure is sugar only, and does not include incidentals like hotel, drinks or meals. I figure since I am enjoying those expenses as well as my babies, I can't really charge them against the Sugar Account.