"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Bucktrain** · 07-31-13 11:48

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

I happen to love Asian women as well. Does anyone have any insight into finding them other than the few who pop up on SA?

Are they open to dating Caucasian men or tend to prefer their own ethnicity?

Being Asian myself I can tell you that it depends on if she is "Americanized" or not. If she was born here or moved here at a young age and grew up here then white men definitely have the best shot, even better than an Asian guy LOL. Of course it all depends on the girl too. Luckily for me I don't like Asian women. :-D

**Pats Fan1** · 07-31-13 08:41

Originally Posted by Secret2 [View Original Post]

I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. I googled it and sure enough SA. Com says the SB on that site received that amount. I'm curious since many of you are using SA. Do you spend that much per month?

Any of you dating African-American 26 yo 5'10 138lbs single, grad-student / model from the DC area? I know her real name.

Just curious

A couple of months ago I did a false experiment to find out more about the approaches some guys were using and the like. I kind of wanted to see if most guys had game or were dipstciks. So one of my Sb's was departing as school was ending for her. She let me use her pic. She is a solid 9+. Very good looking blonde / blue eyes / slim / kind of busty / good looking face. I used her pic and I wrote the profile. Just to see what would come back.

So How does this relate to the average? There were three straight up offers before any meeting that were in excess of $100K per year. LOL yeah, I'm not shitting you. Many others were in the 2-3K per month range. So I could see the average being 3k maybe. But the majority of gals are going to be getting 800-1200 I'd bet.

By the way, reading these messages that came in. I was also so excited to see how stupid most of the competition was for me. I understand now why a lot of woman think men are dumb. No creativity, no imagination, no effort, no game. The typical email back was 2-3 lines and would say something like "let me take you out to dinner then w'ell go back to my hotel room and have fun. I'll give you 2K a month and we do this 1x-2x per week. Text me Bill"

**HollywoodGuy** · 07-30-13 21:16

Originally Posted by Dsprdo [View Original Post]

Amateurs or Not? I think some of the girls probably do bring in that much per month-just not all from one SD. I have been thinking of this a lot lately. I have encountered several girls that are surely UTR and using SA as a more low key place to troll for clients than BP. I have seen one that freely admits having several SD's. I've had her over for a couple of booty calls and she is content to sit and drink a glass of wine and chat for as long as I want before moving on to the bedroom, so in that respect not pro behavior, but from things she says I gather this is her main means of support. I would not classify this as a real SB relationship, but somewhere in between. My current fav on the other hand, has a full time job and I'm as sure as I can be without stalking her that she is exclusive to me. We really have more of a dating relationship, and went away for the weekend last week. I have had her and her daughter over to my house. Certainly not a pro, but also completely expects me to provide for her to some extent. On HG's scale a few days ago the first girl would be a 6 and the second an 8. I think what we are mostly looking for is the first timer, who has never accepted "gifts" before for her favors. I don't think they are quite as rare as unicorns, but definitely an elusive creature. I would say that the girl who responded to the CL ad above has for sure been to this rodeo before!

Thanks for the props. I also have met a few girls that are not shy at all about the $. But they certainly do enjoy a night of conversation, dinner or hanging out. Sugar comes in all flavors.

**Dsprdo** · 07-30-13 17:37

Originally Posted by Secret2 [View Original Post]

I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. I googled it and sure enough SA. Com says the SB on that site received that amount. I'm curious since many of you are using SA. Do you spend that much per month?

Just curious

Amateurs or Not? I think some of the girls probably do bring in that much per month-just not all from one SD. I have been thinking of this a lot lately. I have encountered several girls that are surely UTR and using SA as a more low key place to troll for clients than BP. I have seen one that freely admits having several SD's. I've had her over for a couple of booty calls and she is content to sit and drink a glass of wine and chat for as long as I want before moving on to the bedroom, so in that respect not pro behavior, but from things she says I gather this is her main means of support. I would not classify this as a real SB relationship, but somewhere in between. My current fav on the other hand, has a full time job and I'm as sure as I can be without stalking her that she is exclusive to me. We really have more of a dating relationship, and went away for the weekend last week. I have had her and her daughter over to my house. Certainly not a pro, but also completely expects me to provide for her to some extent. On HG's scale a few days ago the first girl would be a 6 and the second an 8. I think what we are mostly looking for is the first timer, who has never accepted "gifts" before for her favors. I don't think they are quite as rare as unicorns, but definitely an elusive creature. I would say that the girl who responded to the CL ad above has for sure been to this rodeo before!

**HollywoodGuy** · 07-30-13 11:58

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

I happen to love Asian women as well. Does anyone have any insight into finding them other than the few who pop up on SA?

Are they open to dating Caucasian men or tend to prefer their own ethnicity?

Asian dating sites? Most cultures tend to stick to members of the opposite sex from their culture. The ones that don't almost never date within their own culture. So if an asian / AA / hispanic girl is flirting with you, you probably aren't the first. i would say sugar dating is almost the norm and totally acceptable in most cultures except the USA.

**HollywoodGuy** · 07-30-13 10:56

Originally Posted by Secret2 [View Original Post]

I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. SA says the SB on that site received that amount

This is marketing BS disseminated to attract girls to their site.

**Hernando** · 07-30-13 10:52

I happen to love Asian women as well. Does anyone have any insight into finding them other than the few who pop up on SA?

Are they open to dating Caucasian men or tend to prefer their own ethnicity?

**BikeRider** · 07-30-13 08:43

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

Pots

Tokyo SB. 24 year-old Japanese girl who's only been in this country a few years. She seems pretty new to the Sugar Bowl yet we're meeting in the FC directly tomorrow. And what's more, I'm not giving her anything! At least not on the day of. I said I would help her get some school supplies after we met. And we're suppose to hang out at the FC for several hours. It seems like she's genuinely attracted to me, so I'm really hoping this works out. Not only will this be my first full-blooded Asian SB but I've never been with a Japanese woman period. It's amazing how she can turn on a dime from being innocent to being very direct and freaky in our texts. I wish me luck brothers that this doesn't turn out to be a bust.

Japanese women are very familiar with the sugar bowl. The term in Japanese is enjo kosai. Or compensated dating.

I won't be surprised if she becomes your ATF. The Japanese women I've been fortunate enough to date in my life have been, for the most part, the best lovers I've had. Good hunting!

**BikeRider** · 07-30-13 08:38

Originally Posted by Secret2 [View Original Post]

I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. I googled it and sure enough SA. Com says the SB on that site received that amount. I'm curious since many of you are using SA. Do you spend that much per month?

Any of you dating African-American 26 yo 5'10 138lbs single, grad-student / model from the DC area? I know her real name.

Just curious

She'd have to be WAY above average for me to pay that much per month! .

**Secret2** · 07-30-13 07:08

I had this girl respond to my CL ad and she says that the average girl is receiving $3k a month. I googled it and sure enough SA. Com says the SB on that site received that amount. I'm curious since many of you are using SA. Do you spend that much per month?

Any of you dating African-American 26 yo 5'10 138lbs single, grad-student / model from the DC area? I know her real name.

Just curious

**John G Smith** · 07-30-13 05:39

I've already had quite a bit of turn-over from my update in early July. A couple of the SBs I thought showed promise ended up being busts. I also made a push to capture my unicorn this month (a pure Asian SB). I contacted quite a few Asian SBs and I ended up getting some good prospects from it. I also cleverly lured back one of my long-time SBs. But let's first review the pots / SBs from last month.

Busts

Asian MILF. She didn't look quite as good in person. We did a M&G and I could tell we just didn't have the right vibe. After the M&G apparently she deleted my number because when I contacted her a couple of days later she didn't even know who I was even though we had texted frequently a few days prior. She simply told me she was no longer interested and never gave me a reason. I would have liked to have gotten a reason, but I was fine with things not proceeding because we just didn't click well and she was asking for the high end of my budget.

Brown & Busty. A 20 year-old, mixed, very busty. As mentioned in the last update, her pics were old so while she was still very busty, she also put on some extra weight. I had to make a tough decision to have her in my "B Slot" or cut her loose. I decided to cut her loose. Nice girl, but a little too heavy and lived a little too far away.

Idle

Latina Artist. 22 year old petite Latina artist. She's completely new to the Sugar Bowl, so she gets cold feet whenever there is a cool breeze on a hot summer's day. She still keeps telling me she wants to meet but something always keeps coming up where she cancels or changes the schedule. I have other things going on so I can afford to be patient with her, but I honestly don't know if I'll actually see her ever.

Punk SB. 18 year old, Latina / Asian mix. I meet up with her again for a quick car fix. It was decent and it barely cost me anything. She's been pressing to meet more often, but I don't know. I'm just not really into her anymore. Her performance is very limited. We basically just do a couple of positions and she doesn't do any oral. So perhaps I'm bored with her. Not sure yet what I'm going to do with her.

Pots

Tokyo SB. 24 year-old Japanese girl who's only been in this country a few years. She seems pretty new to the Sugar Bowl yet we're meeting in the FC directly tomorrow. And what's more, I'm not giving her anything! At least not on the day of. I said I would help her get some school supplies after we met. And we're suppose to hang out at the FC for several hours. It seems like she's genuinely attracted to me, so I'm really hoping this works out. Not only will this be my first full-blooded Asian SB but I've never been with a Japanese woman period. It's amazing how she can turn on a dime from being innocent to being very direct and freaky in our texts. I wish me luck brothers that this doesn't turn out to be a bust.

Korean SB. 21 year-old Korean American girl. She's a more long-term project. She's also attracted to me, but she lives farther away and has a lot of things going on in her life, so we probably won't be able to meet for a while. But I'm keeping in touch with her because she's very petite and cute.

Returners

Backseat SB. 20 year-old petite Latina. I've been seeing this girl off and on for over a year. She's probably the person I've been in contact the longest in my sugar career. But a few months ago, she decided to end things. I even sent a few feelers every now and then, but she stated repeatedly she was done for good. Normally I respect their wishes when they don't want play anymore, but I just keep fantasizing about her perfect tits and couldn't help myself. So recently I gave her a graduation present with no strings attached. I admit I was being a bit naughty and greedy by trying to lure her in back to the Sugar Bowl. I gave her the graduation present in person but I didn't make any offers. The present itself was nice and also contained some cash. Just enough to show a nice gesture but also to entice that if she wanted more, she knew how to get it. Literally two days after I gave her the graduation present, she asked to meet that night. We met and did our thing and her tits were just as amazing as I remembered. She then contacted me again just yesterday. So I've successfully pulled her back in. A part of me feels a little guilty, but I didn't push her to start things back up. I just provided a little bit of temptation.

**Igor Mongorsky** · 07-29-13 18:26

I did get to meetup with my old "ATF". We partied at my house because I was unable to get the hotel on short notice. We spent the next day and night together. Surreal. It was like it was yesterday even though the last time I saw her was almost three years ago. I suspect sugar was not required (although much appreciated LOL) , but I did give her a $300 gift.

We did participate in BB activities as we have in the past. I don't want to get into a debate about what is "safe" and what isn't (I believe there is a forum specifically for that?). You just have to make a personal decision if the reward is worth the risk to you. In my case, the risk is minimal and the payoff immense. It's different for everybody and a lot is a perception. I see many guys find cheating on their SO acceptable. OK, to me that is crazy. When I was married, I would never ever think about cheating on my wife; the consequences are too great, the chances of getting caught high. She would have cleaned me out good and made the rest of my life miserable. Fortunately, I'm divorced now and escaped with my balls intact.

**F Scott** · 07-29-13 11:10

I'll take 98% effective over zero any day! As has been pointed out, it's not just what you do, but what, and who, your baby's been doing in her spare time that comes into play.

Of course there's no such thing as 100% certainty in life, but I like my odds better than BB by a mile! Plus, I truly wonder if those "faithful" babies really are. I can think of four brothers right off the bat who discovered their SBs were "monogamous" with several other guys as well, and one was going bare with all of them!

To each his own, however. I'll continue to play with a helmet on. Like ChiGuy, I find the slight loss of sensation helps me to last like a porn star. Well, that and a little help from my blue friend!

Peace,

Scott

**HollywoodGuy** · 07-29-13 11:01

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

This is a tough discussion and somewhat divisive, but I think it's actually a good discussion to have. We get to see each other's perspective and maybe even re-evaluate our own decisions.

I am scared straight for today. When you"re an addict, it's one day at a time. Today I have a date with my live in. Then I will just work till bedtime. This really is not a joke and I know I am in denial most of the time.

One of my X's got HSV 1 about a year ago. She has a BF, a SD and a sugar couple. They all know she has this and continue to see her. I know she is addicted to kissing and giving oral. I will not see her for any reason. But all this talk is making me uneasy.

Just got txted by a HYM. I know there will be at least kissing and maybe more on the m&g tomorrow.

**John G Smith** · 07-29-13 02:53

Originally Posted by BikeRider [View Original Post]

Guys. If you're worried about the risks. Then don't play the game.

Yes condoms reduce the risk of many things, but they aren't 100% effective against HSV-1/2, HPV, and molluscum (not just for kids) etc. If you love DATY or BBBJ, then other STD's come into play as well.

If you're worried about a SO or a spouse, then there is no 100% way to keep them safe. Period. You can do risk management, and using condoms is a significant part of that plan. However, don't think just because you're using condoms your not taking risks.

Exactly. If you're extremely worried about your SO catching something, you shouldn't play the game. You can catch certain STDs by receiving and giving oral and as well as with deep french kissing. Just about everyone here engages in heavy kissing with their SB, so you're technically putting yourself at risk to certain types of STDs, which can be passed to your SO. Simply saddling up for intercourse doesn't absolve you from these risks and morally you're still in the same boat as the rest of us because the risk is there even if it's reduced.

This is a tough discussion and somewhat divisive, but I think it's actually a good discussion to have. We get to see each other's perspective and maybe even re-evaluate our own decisions.

For me, I don't think this lifestyle is for everyone. If you're happily married and you're still planning to have kids, you should probably enter the Sugar Bowl draft at a later time. What happened to Joe was very unfortunate and I feel for him. What made his situation especially difficult was that he and his SO were still planning to have kids. So contracting an STD in that situation is very very serious since there's many implications.

Likewise if you have a happy marriage and you don't want to put it at risk whatsoever, you have to understand every single day in the Sugar Bowl you're rolling the dice on your marriage regardless if you catch a STD or not. For example, Alias left a condom lying around, I left a hotel card in my pants, and F Scott left his Sugar phone in plain sight of his SO. All of this in just the last couple of weeks. These things had no nothing to do with practicing safe sex and yet things still came very close for things to come crashing down for us. The fact is, the longer you play this game, the greater the risk, the greater likelihood your marriage will end or change forever. I'd argue it's not a matter of "If", it's "When".

In my situation at least, I already have kids and there are zero plans for future kids. So if worst case she gets a STD, she'll just take the same antibiotics as me but it won't affect her having kids. Also, our marriage is not in great shape so if we divorce, it's not the end of the world for me. Yes, I'd like to avoid one right now due to financial implications and the kids, but I'm probably subconscious trying to get a divorce because I'm keenly aware that a healthy marriage is completely incompatible and unsustainable with the Sugar Lifestyle over the long-term. Especially with how aggressive many guys here play the sugar game with 4-7 SBs and Booty Calls at a given time, you're kidding yourself if you think you'll be happily married 10 years from now. If some of us still manage to post on this board 10 years from now, I guarantee only 10-20% of us will still be married and of that remaining percent, those marriages will have been drastically altered (getting caught, reconciling, no more trust, and etc).

I've always assumed that if you're in this lifestyle, a part of you willing to let your marriage end or go to shit. If you just maintain one SB and you keep your time and money with her fairly modest, then maybe you can still maintain a happy marriage. But anyone who plays this game aggressively or develops emotional involvement should not fool themselves. Your marriage can and will end as you know it at any moment regardless if you put a condom on or not. This whole lifestyle is an act of risky insane and reckless behavior. Calculating our risks simply delays with various degrees of success the inevitable conclusion.