"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[F Scott]

Gentlemen,

In perusing the journal as of late, it seems like many of us are winnowing our babies into one of three groups: keepers, one-offs and emergency-use-only.

With that in mind, I'd like to propose another acronym, BCB, or Booty Call Baby, for the latter category. I myself realize I have several of these, and they are usually hot-bodied little treasures, but will never make it into the realm of steady, regular rotation. They will never be ones that I deliberately make time for, but on the other hand I don't want to let them drift away.

Just a thought, but I find very often that a name for something helps to define it, think about it, and makes it real. I realize our private list of terms is growing, and even I, who have been here pretty much from the start, sometimes have to think about what the heck some combination of three letters means.

Opinions?

Scott

[ChiGuy606]

One thing that's worked for me in the past is to register for a hotel online. Make sure you flub your name when you submit the form. If your real life name for instance is "Dick Longmember", then register as "R. Lingenbemer". Be sure to copy the confirmation # with you, this is your key to the room.

When you check in at the desk, say your real name (because sometimes they check I'd) , and they will not be able to find a "Mr. Longmember" registered. At this point use the web confirmation number & they will find your registration that way. You can both laugh at how the "Internet messed up your name". Say "don't' bother changing it, I'm only staying one night", and 9/10 times they will not change it & the room will actually stay registered in the wrong name.

Now if you have a nasty baby in the room & she tries to dig up intel on you, she'll only find the wrong name & that will send her out on the wrong path to finding you.

Again, if you can get away with cash & no name at all, thats obviously safest, but this technique has worked for me in places where I've had to use a real card & show real I'd.

YMMV.

-Chi

[F Scott]

How I do it. I have a small kit of my SD accessories. It is packed in a small zipper case like you use for storing thumbdrives. It is very discreet.

Then when I get home I immediately go to the garage. No one dares set foot in the garage because that is where work gets done. LOL So this is primarily my domain. The closest anyone in my family goes to the garage is to throw something out there through the back door. But there are really high shelves in there loaded with all kinds of boxes and junk.

No one especially my short wife could reach these shelves. But up on one shelf is a nondescript cardboard box which I put my kit, and I have to step on the riding mower seat to get to it. And then I can barely get to it. You could not ever put a ladder there because the mower is in the way. Which no one would dare touch also. Then on the mower seat is a small towel to indicate if anyone has touched the seat.

Anyway you get the idea. I can reach up there and grab my kit in less than five seconds and be gone. By the way it is the last thing I take in my car and the first thing I put away when I come home. Don't want it left in the car.

It is working so far.

Revvo

Revvo,

This is a great idea! Don't know why I didn't think of it before. Right now I have my "gear" scattered among several hiding places, which I sometimes change and then forget about, affording me a very bracing shot of adrenaline until I find whatever it is, usually my phone. My one hesitation is that it brings all the incriminating evidence against you into one very convenient place, should it ever be found. Sort of like the "doomsday" packs the Bush administration was urging us to put together in case Bin Laden ever came calling, but in reverse. Instead of saving our lives, discovery of this kit would surely end it.

But I like the "grab and go" aspect. Out of curiosity, what all do you keep in there?

Scott

[F Scott]

Get a prepaid phone and only use the top up cards. No name associated with it.

BT

Greg,

Pay for everything you can with cash. Cash is your best friend. I've gotten discounts on hotel rooms when I show up and say I'm paying with Bennies. I've also gotten the clerk to erase my info from the computers. Look into Greendot cards, both for yourself and your babies. You can buy them with cash and refill them that way as well. Use them to book rooms online, pay for your meds (if you need them) , and use them when checking in for the "incidental charges." When you register the one for yourself, you will need to give them an address (I use my work one) and a valid SS. This is the one hole in the cloak of invisibility, but it is a small one unless your wife hires a lawyer, in which case your goose is cooked anyway. It won't be the point of first exposure if you've done everything else right as outlined in the clubhouse journal in past pages. And train yourself to throw away all receipts immediately, keep a "scrubbed" car, and clean out your pockets every day before you come home. Make it an inflexible routine and you lessen the chance of blowing your cover.

I forget if you told us, are you married?

Scott

[FredMoore]

Well, my ATF #3 has returned to the scene!

She bailed on me because of? But claims I got too emotionally involved. But I think she had another IRL BF and wanted to work on him. Well he dumped her and called me about some other issues we were emailing about. I reminded her that I stand ready to serve when called, so she called. She needs money but I think she also got a case of the grass is greener and found out it isn't always. She is just what I like except for the lack of emotional involvement. She is a 10/10/9/8 (2 off for lack of emotional involvement) Her disclaimer is that she can't promise a regular weekly thing to keep me in my plae I guess.

SB #1 (smokin' smoker) is now a weekly appointment 9/9/8/7 3 off for heavy smoker, baby in the bedroom, no sleep. I might make her a booty call now that ATF is back and not spend the night. An escort would be cheaper and simpler but I don't like the high volume, lack of BB, and LE risk.

SB #2 (country girl) last night date was a lot of effort for a mediocre experience. She is 7/7/7/7 Not good enough for the effort and cost. She is now to become BC #1.

SB #3 (chubby) is on the bench and is going to be BC #2. She is 7/7/8/7

Pot #1 (college girl) totally flaked the day of appointment and went silent. She is history.

Pot #2 (hot MILF) Has family issues right now and might resurface but I have a full plate now that ATF has rejoined the lineup. If ATF doesn't perform every week I'll work her in to alternate weeks.

So Booty Calls (BC) are : SB's :

BC #1 country girl ATF #3.

BC # 2 chubby Smokin smoker

BC # 3 escort friend

And that is enough for my budget right now.

[Spitfire]

Get a prepaid phone and only use the top up cards. No name associated with it.

BT

And pay for the top up cards with cash.

[BigTime2]

Get a prepaid phone and only use the top up cards. No name associated with it.

BT

As BT said pre-paid is the way to go, buy the phone with CASH and refill cards with Cash. Don't use your CC to purchase, No trails equal Happy Happy Happy!

[BigTigger]

Thanks BigT. I appreciate it. I am working on burner phone. And trying to look for guidance and past reports on this forum. I want to make sure I can get a burner phone with my SD name on it and not my real name. Anyone managed to do it?

Everytime, you get a phone number, I thought it gets associated to your name.

Working on local SD and one remote distance one.

Get a prepaid phone and only use the top up cards. No name associated with it.

BT

[GeorgeRichmond]

Keep up the good work, but by all means buy a burner phone and hide it in your laptop bag.

Thanks BigT. I appreciate it. I am working on burner phone. And trying to look for guidance and past reports on this forum. I want to make sure I can get a burner phone with my SD name on it and not my real name. Anyone managed to do it?

Everytime, you get a phone number, I thought it gets associated to your name.

Working on local SD and one remote distance one.

[Revvo]

How I do it. I have a small kit of my SD accessories. It is packed in a small zipper case like you use for storing thumbdrives. It is very discreet.

Then when I get home I immediately go to the garage. No one dares set foot in the garage because that is where work gets done. LOL So this is primarily my domain. The closest anyone in my family goes to the garage is to throw something out there through the back door. But there are really high shelves in there loaded with all kinds of boxes and junk.

No one especially my short wife could reach these shelves. But up on one shelf is a nondescript cardboard box which I put my kit, and I have to step on the riding mower seat to get to it. And then I can barely get to it. You could not ever put a ladder there because the mower is in the way. Which no one would dare touch also. Then on the mower seat is a small towel to indicate if anyone has touched the seat.

Anyway you get the idea. I can reach up there and grab my kit in less than five seconds and be gone. By the way it is the last thing I take in my car and the first thing I put away when I come home. Don't want it left in the car.

It is working so far.

Revvo

[BigTigger]

MsPhD-This is interesting because I was leaning not having a relationship with her because I was concerned I wasn't going to be able to give the desired allowance consistently. So I told her that first. She then asked if I wanted to hear her thoughts that she's had since the get acquainted date. I said "of course", she has decided that she doesn't want to be in a traditional SD / SB relationship. Because we had what she calls a "REAL" relationship, having money attached to our relationship would make it feel very weird and devalue it. Now she would like money, but doesn't need it and just wasn't sure how to proceed. So I came up with a solution that would work for both. She'd open an account and I'll just put money in there whenever I want. No set amount and no notification that I've done it. She loved that idea! We'll see how long this lasts, but currently she seems very pleased. I'll make sure to add $$$$-$$$$$ every month. I think after 2 to 3 months, once it's over $1500 she's be very pleased to have it there growing. She even offered to pay for hotels every now and then. Now I'm very shocked because MsPhD is one of my ATFs. So this is very surprising. She has all the goods. 9.5/9. 5/9/10 and we'll be getting naked and back on the saddle on Sunday afternoon.

Anyway with MsPhD taking the money out the equation, I can keep MsNurseBooty in the picture. I'm seeing her once to twice a week and that's going well. I got her a greendot last week and I'll be adding funds that way. I've had the Tiggabounce twice with her, but each time I've not been able to really get at it the way I like. So she's very happy and still around, but she's not had my best work as of yet. It helps that she's the type who is wiped out after one orgasm. So even though I wasn't at my peak of perfection, I sill got her one good one and she was very happy.

My other SB is back from her trip. We've went on 2 dates, but communicate daily. We are supposed to be meeting before the weekend is over, I've made it clear that Tiggabounce is in order. She's going to be $-$-5 per meeting once the Tiggabounce starts. She would be in the running for full time, but she has kids and no consistent sitter and currently has a family member that lives with her. Once school is back in, I'll be able to see her in the mornings. She doesn't care about exclusivity, just want to be treated well and made to feel like a priority.

So that's my TiggaHarem and I think I'll be settled for a while. I still have my "break in case of horny emergency" SBs. My BCSBs (Bootcall SBs).

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Booty Call SBs.

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MsLifeguard $-$.5 per meet.

MsMILFLatina $ per meet.

MsFFGBalt $-$1. 5 per meet (White, BBW, like to be choked, spanked and handled roughly. FFG=FreakyFatGirl)

I have not spent the money to reply, but I seem to have a few POTS on ArrangementFinders. It could be while before I'm back on the market and looking for new talent. But it seems to have potential, depending on the amount of money you wish to spend. I think my SA just expired, but I've been hidden for a few weeks, so I'm good there. I've gotten some hits on Tagged, but I've not followed up on it. I have a few hits on OBC (Online Booty Call) , but I've not paid for that either. It could be a while before I'm back on the market, especially considering how either of the BCSBs would love to be full time. So for now, to simplify things, no more interviews for a while. Means, I'll probably not have a lot of cool updates, but also no drama, LOL.

BigTigg

[GeorgeRichmond]

Keep up the good work, but by all means buy a burner phone and hide it in your laptop bag.

Definitely a good idea. I need to go back and refer the articles on this forum that talks about burner phone. Is it possible to get a burner phone with a different name (SD name)? Will check past report but if any one have answer please post it.

Yes, plan to continue SD now. That I found a way to handle it. So far I am using GV number.txt or calling for communication. GV number is associated with SD gmail acct. Is it possible for someone to back trace GV number? My GV number txt are forwarded to my personal cell number? Can someone trace my real cell number using GV (because they are linked)?

KG

[ChiGuy606]

Hello brothers,

Spending some time reading my back-log of forum posts, but I'd just like to re-post this as a guideline / warning for everyone. I would have printed, framed, and hung in my foyer these words of wisdom & from brother Hernando if it would not directly lead to my castration!

HYB (hot young baby) was coined earlier in the thread to represent these girls from 18 to 25 I also called them Nando 3s or the sportsters who are the college girls that you are naming HCB (hot college Babys) There can be a distinction between the two as I see it. But to recap my rating system :

Nando 1. Desperately poor high level of drama girls of all ages. These are the ones who call for more money because they are getting (fill in the tragedy here) tomorrow. Often these girls have kids, no baby daddy (BD) support. Or worse. A hostile or dead beat BD, and are frequently drug / alcohol addicted and can have police records. You all know them. I have met quite a few.

Nando 2. Escorts of all ages who are prospecting for biz on the sugar sites. I know quite a few of these also but it is important to identify them as escorts so your mind set can be right. You can I'd them 3 ways 1) they call you hun or babe before actually meeting you. 2) they charge by the hour and will be upfront with their rate, and 3) they will provide a room for your meet (since they already have one booked)

Nando 3-HYBs, HCBs, or a combo of several classifications. They are frequently looking for a sexual romp with NSA and some extra $$ to buy more clothes;

4). MILFs. These are older girls (women) who are looking for support, and I have added another one;

5) Sugar Baby. A true baby of all ages who wants a regular SD to pay them an allowance in return for fun times together. Often these girls are younger and looking for tuition help, car and house payments, mentoring for a career advancement, thrilling trips to exotic places. To name a few.

Keep your activities in the higher-end range of Nando3+ sphere of the galaxy (always striving for that ATF Nando 5) , and your drama / stress factor will be limited greatly!

[BigTigger]

Keep up the good work, but by all means buy a burner phone and hide it in your laptop bag.

It's been over year as SD. First, let me say thank you for all the info and help on this forum. I learned hard way to become SD. And still learning. I did get burned few times by SB who cheated, took money and ran. So I gave up. Then I tried to be smart and play it safe based on this forum.

Year ago.

1. My first SB was WF in DC (2 hours drive) : Good looking 9/8/8 tall. First M&G went into having ultimate fun. Well, SB didn't care about my personal info. Until she started demanding more time and more money. Well, I closed the chapter and she kept asking for closing fees. And I declined. This is where, I should have been careful, not giving my cell number. She said she will come to my home to collect money. I used some tricks to avoid this. And got away with it. Moral: No personal info. Sharing.

2. Another SB: Average build, beautiful. 23 year old bartender. We had several M&G, some fun but nothing to ultimate stage. Kissing was ok. Well she found out my marriage status, again due to my cell phone sharing. Should have used Google Voice. But this got stopped. She was WF, beautiful. But little more body fat.

3. Local, WF. 22 year old 9/8/8 but with body piercing (which kind of not my type) but willing to go any extend. Lived in farm. And animals care-taker. Spent 2-3 months and again, she started demanding more money.

I don't know. My offers were pretty good. In several hundreds per meet and that also for few hours. Well, I said that's it.

4. 3. Had two M&G. Which went to hotel room but got robbed.

I said. That's it. This is not for me. Closed SA account and moved on.

Well, year later, SA started sending me emails. And few local hits. Came back again.

Last 3-4 months.

1. Local SB 30+ WF, average, divorced. With kids. Beautiful. M&g went to room and had good time. But. Too risky as she kept talking about her personal life a lot and lot more expectation. Decided not to continue and told her about it.

2. My ATF: Young 28, 7/8/8, height- 5. 3 may be. But very athletic. This is going well. 2-3 times now in last 2 months and hope to continue. Very keen on getting money upfront and counting infront of me. Which I don't like.

3. Midlothian SB: Young 30 yr old. She said not married. But with her number I found all the detail. She had a kid, prior marriage and baggage. M&G but decided not to continue. She kept begging though! Felt bad.

4. One more mixed, SB. 23 year old. Want to go to next level but demanding lot more. Well. Considering she is little overweight and 6/7/7, I told her my allowance will be half of what she expects. Boom. All communication turned. Off.

Out of town. Long distance.

Well. Then I started traveling to NJ. And ohh my. I tried to find locals for my business trip in New Jersey. And there are many POTs. I found two for my 3 day visit for evening time. One Spanish and another from Texas moved there. What a fun. Love it having long distance! My 2nd NJ POT, hoping to meet again and will report. As part of travel visits.

Well, I was on this site before. I am back with new userid. Because my prior username was very obvious.

Hope to contribute more.

[Revvo]

So the week is off to a bang. I really got some big disappointments but hell it happens. What am I going to do. I can tell you this. I am learning how to deal with two things that I was terrible at. Disappointment and rejection. Oh and how to handle women. These were things I was very weak at before. I am learning as I go. Now I just need to learn how to deal with choosing, and overindulgence.

REVVO_ATF: No word lately. I am starting to miss her. But my plate is so full. I figured let her do her work and I will get with her later. So no news here.

REVVO_POT1: So we are all set to meet next Monday for our fly in adventure. Little hard to stay in touch with but she is a busy woman with a lot of travel and work. Arrangements have been made and on the chance that she stands me up. I can still use the hotel for my other babies and may be able to repurpose my ticket for my next flyin. See below. She is petitie 5'1' a little thick but definitely not fat. She has awesome curves and a cocky little attitude. She wants a man not a boy. And she wants someone who likes to take a walk on the wild side sometimes. I am her man. LOL I am giving her a 7/8/8 so far. But this will change once I fuck her about twelve times next week if I can keep my dick working. And if I cannot I am going to lick that pussy until my tongue falls off. LOL Anyway I am psyched about this.

REVVO_POT2: This was my biggest disappointment of the week and of the month. So we were all set for a M&G I had been braggin about my new POT could even be my new ATF. She was everything I wanted. There was talk of threesomes with her even cuter roommate. Lots of sexy talk and banter and fun. Then Monday comes for our second date. And she goes dark. Nothing nada. Not even a fuck you. Just silence. Man that sucks. But I quickly lined up some other POTs to cover the empty hole she left. Man was that a mistake. I ended up meeting a couple of POTs that were just not worth my time. And they wanted 500 per visit! These POTs were fat and or ugly or trashy. Just not worth it. Where is my little sweetheart. Probably got cold feet. Can't warm their feet up if they won't communicate. Oh well. The sugar bowl is a very fluid environment.

REVVO_POT3: Another disappointment here but not quite as bad. First because expectations were lower and I still got to fuck her. So we are all set for our date and FC visit Monday night. And she texts me about the amount. I had suspected she may just be a little too experienced at this game. But I was moving forward. She has had SD's before and is looking for another. She seems to have a little too much to be unemployed and going to school. So she wants 500 I tell her 200 and she is audibly surprised on the phone. Tells me she needs at least three. I give her my speech about she should get what she wants but I can only offer 200 since I have had a few top quality educated beautiful women and that is what I pay. So she calls me back later and says she will meet me in my room for 200 but will not go out on a date with me and spend the night. I think yes. But I am concerned about her being unhappy and that turning out bad. But she is right on time with a cute little outfit no bra or underwear and flowing long black hair. And cute as can be. But not as good as I originally thought. I give her a 9/7/7. But man she could suck cock. She displays the perfect mix of equal parts enthusiasm and gusto. A big plus. So not really a LT baby. But she lives in a neighboring city that I travel to for work. So now I have a hot looking woman that is willing to come to my hotel and blow me and fuck me for 200 when I am in town at my convenience. Oh and I had to remind her to take the moneyl. I guess it is not that big of a disappointment. Even the bad shit can be good.

REVVO_POT4: Plugging a new one in here. So I am minding my own business and I get a kiss from a POT in a neighboring state. Not too far but definitely a flight. So I am not too serious about her but I do the email and she pops right back to me with the most stunning photos. First I must say I am not the buxom fake tittles type but this woman is more than good looking. She is absolutely fabulous. Blond big fake boobs a tight little frame rock hard abs and body. Could potentially be a fitness model. MILF 21 YO white with a 1 yo son. And a face like an angel, about 5'2' tall. I am giving her at this time a 10/9/9. This could be a real bonified 10 and she may be getting fucked by REVVO very soon. So we hit it off quickly and she is ready to come down. What am I to do? I have a flyin coming down on Monday. I have spent way way over budget. I feel ya Hollywood. So there is only one choice. I will fly her down the following week. And she is good to go. She thinks that I am very handsome, and she is excited to meet me and so I can work her over. Her words. She is very cool and communicates well. We have set the dates already. She love to travel has not been bugging me about money so does not seem mercenary at all just likes coming down to the sunshine state to hang out and have fun. She says she is very accommodating and likes to please. She told me she has had a problem with men not accepting the whole NSA thing in the past. I told her not a problem here. So I am making travel plans lets see how it goes. Shall we. I will see you other guys in the poorhouse. LOL.

REVVO_POT5: So met her. Very disappointing in person. Just did not look that good. Very sweet kid. 18 working hard and trying to work her way through school. But not going to work. Besides she did not like the fact that I am married. Too far to drive and work on all the other things. I give her in person a 6/6/8. Not going to do it. She is dropping off.

REVVO_POT6: So another one that popped up on my radar today. A true amateur they are my favorites. 23YO White redhead, MILF. Very nice face. Looks like some nice tittles. Not sure about the rest. But the banter was great and I love turning them on and converting them to the sugar bowl from the regular world. Besides she is a redhead that gets points right there. I give her a 8/7/8 right now. She is not into the money just struggling so this may be one where it is just gifts and pay for things for her. She is not used to this. So many of these women are in this boat. What the fuck is wrong with men in this country nowdays? Anyway I got her really excited and we are meeting tomorrow for coffee. This could be a true GFE. And as I have said before that is key. More to come.

REVVO_SB1: Talked to her this week she is a sweetheart. And she is so cool. But I am only fucking her about once a month now. She would make some SD a good loyal SB. But I do not know anyone I would trust to hand her off. Keep her on the back burner for now.

REVVO_SB2: So this ones off of the list. I let her know. She was cool with it. She will be fine. Good kid. Not fitting in though.

REVVO_SB3: This one is gone also. Moved to Hawaii. Going to check with her just out of curiosity. Let you guys know. Just a weird story.

REVVO_SB4: Nothing going on here. My little Colombian tamale is want me to fuck her last week and could not. Tried to get in touch with her this week but cannot. Will plug in another SB to finish the week up. Try her next week. She may slide all the way off the list. But I do love the way she worships my cock and plays with it ceaselessly. That is awesome. Check back with her next week but I have my flyin southern honey coming in. So limited time.

REVVO_SB5: Still my current favorite. I will be doing her on Thursday. She is awesome. Just a great woman. Another one that really worships my body. She loves to massage me naked. And does not stop after a little while I mean she does not stop. I need to get her to do that with my cock also. Her attitude is absolutely the best. She is so sweet also. Never demands anything. I really love fucking her she takes it so well. And is flexible like a pretzel. Not the hottest but very nice. I give her a 7. 5/7/8. I would give her higher on the personality but she does not have that fun spark like some of my babies and old atf have. She wants to please and does not demand. I could see how a woman like this could get taken advantage of a lot.

REVVO_SB6: No contact. This one is sliding off of the list slowly. Maybe I will text her next week. Not so sure.

That is the list. Man my fingers are tired. Much much more to come. Keep writing guys.

Be careful out there.

REVVO