Massage Parlor Reports

[Mwolf]

You can try USA spa is you like thick Latinas.

Thanks for the info. Umm, how thick? And what is the expected $$$?

This thread is much more interactive than NYC. It's a pleasure to see.

I saw a mention earlier of Vietnamese, Thai and Filipinas. Any of those around? Under 40, preferably.

Thanks

[Butter3592]

Staying in Scottsdale, looking for a FS AMP, preferably not Chinese or Korean, maybe something a little different out here. Any suggestions? I'd be happy to make recommendations in NYC. BBBJCIM / rimming.

Thanks

You can try USA spa is you like thick Latinas.

[Mwolf]

Staying in Scottsdale, looking for a FS AMP, preferably not Chinese or Korean, maybe something a little different out here. Any suggestions? I'd be happy to make recommendations in NYC. BBBJCIM / rimming.

Thanks

[Anotheronedown]

Paid a visit to 4seasons. Wish I would have stayed home. Greeted by a half asian with a nice rack. Paid the 50, got a decent rubdown but only 20 minutes of it. , no table shower. Told it was broke (after I paid). Anyways, she quoted $$ for everything, and HARD negotiated to 120. She took the money out, came back in nekkid. Wow for the bod.

Anyways slipped a cover on and laid flat, I moved for a BJ and she giggled and said no. I was like, WTF. You said everything? She goes, no and points to the vag. Pissed I go On and went to play with the kitty to get myself going and again, told no. Whatever, determined to make the most of it, I mount and goto town. Then I go to suck on some titty, told No louder. Then somebody knocks and yells some unintelligible shit. She pushes up and lets some older gal in, and I'm told to leave.

I'm done with the AMPs burned way to much.

[DavePHX]

So basically Scottsdale is using credit cards receipts to chase mongers? This seems odd since it would not seem likely that an overly large tip would not be probable cause to harass someone, let alone to stick in court.

No this is not the purpose. If this report is true, it is not probably cause to arrest but you do not need probably cause to harass!

How they have gotten clients to infiltrate referral sites etc is contact the customer and ask about the charge and scare the guy (maybe in front of his wife) to testify against the massage / escort / website assuring him he will not be charged.

In Chicago are they charging massage places with FELONES? They do in Phoenix, and owners have gone to prison (and one committed suicide just before sentencing) In Phoenix if its a massage parlor, independent escort with another, agency (few left) or the Phoenix Goddess Temple its a criminal enterprise felony and every credit card or cash tracked (if records kept) is a money laundering felony. And the charges are tiered which results in the threat of 10++ years in prison if they don't take a plea agreement (lifetime felon but with 12-18 months probation usually).

Even worse, Phoenix (and other cities) can arrest especially escorts with no contact simply because of words on websites I. E. GFE or worse. Solicitation is the same as prostitution in Arizona an if two or more gathered can go after criminal enterprise felonies.

They seem to do this often with the various roundups like R. O. S. E, take them to the Church for rehab stings or with the joint FBI taskforce that does the periodic multi-city stings in many USA cities.

These are great publicity gimmicks that raise millions of dollars of donations to "rescue" groups, police grants etc for "trafficking" They use the child excuse but almost all arrests are private consenting adults.

The gal takes 99. 9% the risk, as there have been no prosecutions for years as far as I know for just customers. But they can be intimataded into turning on gals to based on the threat to have to save themselves.

The stings are not all the time and with the huge number of folks in Arizona the risk to any one gal is low. However felony records and a nightmare has been had for those caught up in the sting. The Last R. O. S. E operation caught 76 gals. The police have pictures and ads in police cars to I'd and often posts from review boards. One in particular. Not this one.

[Cracker]

Warning to all my other monger friends. Trust me this comes from a very good source inside LE.

Scottdale PD and Phx PD have been working together for several years and I guess due to budget restrictions or maybe they get spotted too easy because the only talk and don't expose themselves because of entrapment laws, they have now started an active credit card search of massage parlors.

In the one I know about, Massage Body Works on Shoen in Scottsdale, they pulled the credit card reciepts and found a. 4 charge for massage and. 6 for tip.

Long and short, they went to guys house, he fessed up and now girl got arrested and he is forced to testify or gets charged. Don't know about you but I don't want LE knocking on my door and asking the little woman if they can talk to me.

Some of these guys are just doing a job, others get their nut jamming you up. Most vice cops thinks this is funny shit and enjoy telling stories of how stupid some of the girls and we are.

Several reasons not to use a credit card.) the girls learn your real name. 2.) If you tip more than massage or equal to the cops are not stupid.

I am not new to this game, and am sure most of you don't need to read this message. Just an FYI what Scottsdale and Phx have teamed up to do.

Hey I'm not paranoid, but I don't park infront either.

A few people know me on this board even though I am new to posting.

I hope I have contributed something worth while other than another good place to hit.

A better name for me would be Torpedodude, has surfaced again.

So basically Scottsdale is using credit cards receipts to chase mongers? This seems odd since it would not seem likely that an overly large tip would not be probable cause to harass someone, let alone to stick in court. Wouldn't they have to bust the place to get their records and I think they would need a warrant to do that. Also what guy is going to admit he left a big tip because he committed an illegal act? Furthermore why would anyone use any kind of credit card, it's not like you are renting a car. Cash for the most part is untraceable unless the SPD is going to call forensics to check it for fingerprints. Not only do I not want any LE having a paper trail, I don't want the people running the place knowing my name. I live in Chicago and visit Scottsdale frequently and believe me LE here is way harder on the massage shops here than LE in the PHX area, based on my opinion of reading the two boards and visiting PHX area. Getting extra service in Illinois requires more persistence and patience and finally when you have found a decent place, the cops are busting it for either prostitution or some code violation. They never arrest the mongers, too costly and to hard to make stick. I can only think of one occasion in the last 15 years where they arrested two customers, but in this case it was a long and costly sting operation, in general they just keep sending in cops, until one of the ladies makes a mistake then BAM. Or they send in inspectors to find building code violations. When I am out in the PHX area the women are less aprehensive about making it known that more than a massage is offered and per capita there are way more massage places than in the Chicagoland area, so if PHX / SPD LE thinks it is major scourge the way they do in IL, then I think there would be a lot fewer in PHX area. If LE wanted these places closed they would find away to shut the majority of them down without chasing mongers all around the valley to find out why they are such great tippers. This does not mean you should not take precautions in your beautiful state, I basically follow these rules everywhere.

1. Always pay with cash to avoid leaving a paper trial and to protect your identity.

2. Bring in only the most you plan to spend in cash and leave your wallet locked and hidden in your car.

3. Avoid parking in front, this is a hobby of discretion.

4. If by the unlikely chance you are there when a raid happens, do not admit to any illegal act or intention, even if LE catches you in the act, which would be unlikely unless you and her were both deaf. The police are there to make arrests, they are not going to cut you a break no matter how honest and nice you are. Most people think that if they straight with LE, that they will get some slap on the hand and a boys will be boys attitude. Big mistake.

So all of that being said. Do not get paranoid but keep in mind even though you think what you are doing is harmless is between two adults, LE does not see it that way. So don't make yourself an easy target.

Good and safe hunting to all you seniors and soon to be seniors.

[Jonesy47]

I went to an old ATF, Mya called her and someone else answered and book my appt. No big deal, but when I showed up I saw it was that old lady "Gina". She told me to follow her, I asked about Mya and said yes you'll be seen her. Showed me to a room and asked for donation, I was like that's new, and asked how long I'm staying. Had a bad feeling and should've left. But paid my normal fee for 15 min. I waited almost 25 minutes then Mya came in and was buisness like from the start. We had been becoming quite Familiar and friendly over past sessions and I felt she was a real keeper. But this time was all buisness started quick HJ and felt good but very rushed. Told her I wanted more but she just went along like I didn't say anything. I knew it was going to be HJ only, And let go but was very unhappy to say the least.

It was weird, I've been going there for the past year and almost always left happy and Satisfied. I noticed that the few times I left unhappy was when Gina is around, maybe she is just the one pushing for quick releases and more business. Idk but not going back for a long time or never again. Had some great times with Mya. Oh we'll I've been doing some hunting on the streets like the old days and meet some great new regulars on BP also.

[Dirty Old Guy]

Shawn,

Thanks, that is helpful info.

Papa,

Don't need to reload. Like you said, as soon as the amount is depleted, I'll just throw it away.

And, it's not a gift card I want, I want the debit card. I found that gift cards, purchased with a credit card, are considered a cash advance, but that a pre-paid debit card is considered a purchase. MUCH higher interest rate with a cash advance.

Thanks for the help, Bud.

Tivo,

Who said anything about using it at an AMP? That's ALWAYS cash.

Thanks guys,

Dirty

[MinoTaurus]

I don't get the logic to use a prepaid at an AMP. Why would you use a prepaid card in lieu of cash at an AMP or any place for that matter, where you can physically exchange "currency". Cash is king. Further, using a prepaid card (or any plastic. Whether debit card or credit card) at an AMP just makes their life difficult. They have to pay the transaction fees and of course then funds are "on the books" for tax purposes and finally, it is just a traceable form of proof that a transaction took place. None of these are good for them (nor you).

I can understand using a prepaid card for on-line / internet transactions at "questionable" web sites. I've done precisely this several times to purchase my "wang firming" drugs from an Indian pharmacy online. I don't want my credit card out there exposed to fraud (even though you are still only liable for 50$ max by law I'm pretty sure. Often bank policy is 0$ liability).

Bottom line, use cash locally. Use prepaid card online if you want identity and fraud safety.

[Papa Rotzi]

ANY pre-paid brand card, where you load money on it at the register when you are buying the card, are not initially traceable. What happens (usually) is that in order to "reload" the card after the initial purchase / use, you will need to go and "register" the card with your name, address, etc. I know this is a fact if reloading with a check; not sure about if you reload with more cash, but I think that's the case with cash reload as well. I will make a few phone calls and update if there are corrections to the above.

I use cash most of the time and have not ventured into the pre-paid world. I'm just aware of the nuances based on my occupation.

UPDATE: I need to clarify that what you need to buy are Branded (e.g. Visa, M/c, AMEX) GIFT Cards. Those can typically be loaded up with up to $500 and they are used exactly like a credit or debit card. Use them and toss them once depleted. If you by a "Pre-Paid credit card" you will need to register the card BEFORE you can even use it. Check the packaging that the card is secured in to confirm what you are buying - or ask the cashier as you are checking out.

As to WHY you might use one? Many folks do not like to walk around with that much cash in their pockets all the time; especially if you have a nosey spouse. A Visa card doesn't display how much is available, but $500 in cash sitting on the dresser might create a few questions.

Papa,

Do you know which are the "generic","untraceable" brands of pre-paid cards?

Thanks,

Dirty

[NumberOnePerve]

This is no harder for LE to do on a registered pre-paid card than with a normal credit card. After all these are still co-branded Visa, Mastercard and AMEX cards. Very easy to grab personal info (if it's there, because you registered it so you can do reloads). And then LE drops by your home or office. The card / account gives up the reloads AND also ALL of the transactions: Where, When, How much. Same as a credit card. The ONLY way to avoid this data trail is to toss a pre-paid after it's initial load is used up and buy a new one. More expensive? Yes. Untraceable? Ditto. I have had conversations with D E A, F B I and H o m e l a n d S e c u r i t y and trust me: They HATE pre-paid cards for a reason.

I go so far as to have someone else buy these for me, and the prepaid phone that I use to contact the ladies. Not that I am paranoid, but everywhere has a camera on you when you buy these things and believe me face recognition truely works. I am not sure Scottsdale or Phx would go that far, but back east the FBI and locals did a five state bust on the shops that move these girls around.

The ones I give my number to is the prepaid, and same one I put their numbers in.

Hey we all have some special girls number. I still call Lowsa from ANFU and she has been from Cali, to Deleware to Hawaii since ANFU. I just stay in touch because when this talent comes back to valley I want to be first in line.

[ShawnGreen]

Papa,

Do you know which are the "generic","untraceable" brands of pre-paid cards?

Thanks,

Dirty

I literally just bought one at WALMART to do an online purchase I didn't want use my CC for. They cost 3 bucks at a Walmart Money center which is upfront by customer service. Just don't register the card. You can go online and they will send you a card with your name on it but they want ALL your info including SS number. You can however buy it and use it without doing all that. Works fine as I have used them alot for little things and for 3 bucks it can be worth it. If you have any more questions you can PM me about them.

[Dirty Old Guy]

Papa,

Do you know which are the "generic","untraceable" brands of pre-paid cards?

Thanks,

Dirty

This is no harder for LE to do on a registered pre-paid card than with a normal credit card. After all these are still co-branded Visa, Mastercard and AMEX cards. Very easy to grab personal info (if it's there, because you registered it so you can do reloads). And then LE drops by your home or office. The card / account gives up the reloads AND also ALL of the transactions: Where, When, How much. Same as a credit card. The ONLY way to avoid this data trail is to toss a pre-paid after it's initial load is used up and buy a new one. More expensive? Yes. Untraceable? Ditto. I have had conversations with D E A, F B I and H o m e l a n d S e c u r i t y and trust me: They HATE pre-paid cards for a reason.

[Papa Rotzi]

This is no harder for LE to do on a registered pre-paid card than with a normal credit card. After all these are still co-branded Visa, Mastercard and AMEX cards. Very easy to grab personal info (if it's there, because you registered it so you can do reloads). And then LE drops by your home or office. The card / account gives up the reloads AND also ALL of the transactions: Where, When, How much. Same as a credit card. The ONLY way to avoid this data trail is to toss a pre-paid after it's initial load is used up and buy a new one. More expensive? Yes. Untraceable? Ditto. I have had conversations with D E A, F B I and H o m e l a n d S e c u r i t y and trust me: They HATE pre-paid cards for a reason.

I wouldn't be shocked if this actually happened. Regardless, this is yet another reason why anyone involved in "hobbying" should be using CASH ONLY. Whether it be at a massage parlor or anywhere else.

[Dirty Old Guy]

#1,

Good info, thanks.

It always amazes me when I hear about mongers using credit cards at a massage parlor. Ninety nine percent of us don't want family or friends to know that we do this, but then go and pay MMS with a payment method that is traceable back to "the real you".

If you are going to use plastic for MP's and other purchases, then Papa's suggestion is a very good one. But, the best one is Neo's,"CASH ONLY". Don't leave a back-trail. Think with the big one for a change!

Watch your ass!

Dirty

Warning to all my other monger friends. Trust me this comes from a very good source inside LE.

Scottdale PD and Phx PD have been working together for several years and I guess due to budget restrictions or maybe they get spotted too easy because the only talk and don't expose themselves because of entrapment laws, they have now started an active credit card search of massage parlors.

In the one I know about, Massage Body Works on Shoen in Scottsdale, they pulled the credit card reciepts and found a. 4 charge for massage and. 6 for tip.

Long and short, they went to guys house, he fessed up and now girl got arrested and he is forced to testify or gets charged. Don't know about you but I don't want LE knocking on my door and asking the little woman if they can talk to me.

Some of these guys are just doing a job, others get their nut jamming you up. Most vice cops thinks this is funny shit and enjoy telling stories of how stupid some of the girls and we are.

Several reasons not to use a credit card.) the girls learn your real name. 2.) If you tip more than massage or equal to the cops are not stupid.

I am not new to this game, and am sure most of you don't need to read this message. Just an FYI what Scottsdale and Phx have teamed up to do.

Hey I'm not paranoid, but I don't park infront either.

A few people know me on this board even though I am new to posting.

I hope I have contributed something worth while other than another good place to hit.

A better name for me would be Torpedodude, has surfaced again.