"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Hernando]

UTR (under the radar) : IMHO defines a girl / guy who is a non advertising Pro. She is available for a price to clients who are referred by word of mouth to her. She would not have an ad up, a website, or be represented by a pimp. There is generally not any sort of relationship involved other than meet for sex.

Tweener : Is another variation of an UTR girl. She sells sex but relies on referrals as well. This could be one or two Johns but could generally be many.

SB : I view as a true amateur who seeks a relationship providing intimate services in addition to other relational experiences such as entertainment, travel, romance in return for an allowance. I differ from a lot of guys in that if she has 2 or more SDs that puts her in the pro class.

[Mr Strict]

[QUOTE=John G Smith; 1672657]Bingo.

More and more Pros, Semi-Pros, and UTR girls are using sugar daddy sites. As long as you can recognize them and you know what you're getting into, they can sometimes be fun when you want something straightforward. But you just have to be more careful because a Nando1 Pro is much more dangerous than a Nando1 SB. [/QUOTE.

My understanding of the definition of "UTR", under the radar, was a non-pro girl that only works occasionally, to which sugar babies seem to fall into as a subset. If I am incorrect, would someone in the membership please set this brother on the correct path.

And yes, nothing is more dangerous than a nando 1 pro. Holy Jesus, run quicky away!

Be safe.

Strict

[F Scott]

Thanks for the advice guys. Do you think it would make sense to update my profile and just say no pros please?

Or something to that effect?

Revvo

I have some language to that effect in my text, and while it doesn't discourage all pros, I do believe it cuts down on the number of contacts I get from them. They are a wily breed, however, and are well used to fooling men, so it's best to keep your pro-dar activated at all times if they are not your targets, to borrow a metaphor from Sub!

Dive, dive, dive,

Scott

[Revvo]

Thanks for the advice guys. Do you think it would make sense to update my profile and just say no pros please?

Or something to that effect?

Revvo

[John G Smith]

No true SB would have her time so closely tied to dollars. As for what to do, that depends on you, my friend. This is bait casting in a barrel, as opposed to fly fishing in a clear stream. Show up with the required amount of sugar, and you will be fucking her. But any one of us, given access, could do the same I'm guessing. Where's the challenge in that?

Bingo.

A real SB unless they have some real time constraints (job, school, child care, and etc) they won't be clock watching or attach dollars so closely to the hours you spend with them. That's a Pro's mentality.

Clearly she's a Nando1. And a Nando1 Pro Is the type you should run away from as fast as you can. You don't know what kind of "habits" she may have or the type of low-lifes she hangs with. Definitely not worth the risk and as F Scott alluded to, there's no badge of honor banging her because she's a desperate former/current hooker, not a true SB which requires a bit of skill and luck. And it sounds like you already have enough stuff going on that you don't need her for a quick lay either.

More and more Pros, Semi-Pros, and UTR girls are using sugar daddy sites. As long as you can recognize them and you know what you're getting into, they can sometimes be fun when you want something straightforward. But you just have to be more careful because a Nando1 Pro is much more dangerous than a Nando1 SB.

[Revvo]

I passed. I was not even in town at the time.

Amazing how my perspective has changed since being on this site. I have been incredibly naive. But I still can learn.

Besides I have some amazing prospects lining up. I just got to get the time. Too much traveling for work.

This thread has been invaluable to me. And things are definitely getting better.

Good to see you back Scott where have you been hiding?

Revvo

[F Scott]

I think Nando hit the nail squarely on the head: Nando 1, and a pro to boot. Plus the infinitely shaded and negotiated time for the various sugar amounts. It's almost like a take-out menu selection. No true SB would have her time so closely tied to dollars. As for what to do, that depends on you, my friend. This is bait casting in a barrel, as opposed to fly fishing in a clear stream. Show up with the required amount of sugar, and you will be fucking her. But any one of us, given access, could do the same I'm guessing. Where's the challenge in that?

Just my opinion, but there it is. I would give it a pass, and save my sugar for something more elusive.

Scott

[Hernando]

" Feel like coming to Tampa today & being the Hero?" Yeah, she'll eat you like a greek taco.

" I need to pay my weekly rent today I don't have it " Nando 1 Alert! 1) weekly rent; 2) broke; 3) desperate.

" I'm a good girl hun." Hooker 1) hon =hooker lingo 2) I'm a good girl, she protesteth too much.

Run!

[Golfcart]

Gave credit card to waiter at restaurant. Got up for a few moments for a phone call. When I came back she had signed for the bill. And later noticed she had added more stuff to it.

I know it was stupid on my part. Even though she is a thieving con artist. I blame myself for not paying attention.

Expensive Lesson.

No Blowback so far. Other security is very good and I think she crawled back into the gutter.

Revvo

She had the opportunity to write down the card number and the security code.

So could the waiter. We never think about that.

Next time buy a pre-paid Visa from any major drug store. Pay cash.

[Revvo]

Pop quiz hotshot: this is a text exchange I received today. Name has been changed. I contacted this chick on SA couple of weeks ago brief text exchange I was very polite to her and she disappeared in mid conversation. Now she is back this morning. Looked ok on profile she sent pics requested on text exchange below and she was ok. Appears to be Nando type 1. I would say a 6 to 7 looks sloppy on the tats. Pictures indicate she likes to dress up. Her picture on her email avatar has her with a blindfold on! That itself is quite a statement. Maybe a little kinky.

Georgia: How are You? 10:32 AM.

Me: Well hello there Georgia. There you are. 10:37 AM.

Georgia: Hi. Feel like coming to Tampa today & being the Hero? 10:38 AM.

Me: What did you have in mind? 10:40 AM.

Georgia: I need to pay my weekly rent today I don't have it. So come help me out? We can get a room & spend time 10:45 AM.

Me: How much help do you need? .10:59 AM.

Georgia: $200 11:01 AM.

Me: Mmmm, how much time? 11:03 AM.

Georgia: 4-5 hours? $300 & I can. Spend. The whole night 11:04 AM.

Georgia: If you'll bring $250 & come. Down today. I will hang out with you until check out tomorrow 11:05 AM.

Me: I would like to meet you but it seems a little high. 11:07 AM.

Georgia: I've got to pay my rent today. That's more time than I usually ever spend LOL 11:08 AM.

Me: How much for the afternoon? 11:10 AM.

Me: It you are good we can work on more 11:10 AM.

Georgia: $150 11:12 AM.

Me: Send me some pictures to my email, and Let me see what I can do. 11:20 AM.

Me: I cannot receive pics via text, I would like to help you. 11:38 AM.

Georgia: I sent an email 11:38 AM.

Me: Ok. I am driving to a customer I will check in a little while thanks. 11:40 AM.

Georgia:.11:42 AM.

Georgia: If you'd like, we could maybe work out a weekly arrangement. If you do help me I will see you a second time of your choice as well 11:43 AM.

Me: Now you are really getting my interest. 11:56 AM.

Georgia:.11:57 AM.

Georgia: I'm a good girl hun. Just in a bad spot 11:57 AM.

So my brothers what would you do? Would you meet up just to knock the bottom out of that shit?

Would you run like your hair was on fire?

Would you try to help her out and make her a good girl?

Would you tell he what a piece of shit she is and that you are not her personal ATM hell you do not even know me biatch?

Would you try to manipulate her situation for all its worth?

What would you do?

I am looking for input, from the masters on here. Still learning.

Revvo

[Revvo]

Gave credit card to waiter at restaurant. Got up for a few moments for a phone call. When I came back she had signed for the bill. And later noticed she had added more stuff to it.

I know it was stupid on my part. Even though she is a thieving con artist. I blame myself for not paying attention.

Expensive Lesson.

No Blowback so far. Other security is very good and I think she crawled back into the gutter.

Revvo

[Spitfire]

Forged my signature on my credit card. Added a bunch of stuff to the bill and so I emailed SA and told them. Hopefully they will kick her off of there. Worried about blowback but my security shields are holding. She may or may not know my real name. I don't think so. She tried calling me and emailing me through google voice and I blocked her. Can you block someone on Gmail? I know you can log them as spam. But what about blocking them?

How did she get your credit card?

[BigTigger]

OK, so MsOxyMoron is working on BC, she will have the appt next week. Looking forward to that.

Ms POF has had car problems and cash issues. She will not let me give her cash for our first visit. So I'm considering taking the drive down to where she is. I'm probably not, but I'm thinking about it. It's too far to drive with out guarantee of getting the goodies.

So my first week back on sddie dot com and the response has been overwhelming. I have to learn how to say "no" or at least focus on 3 at a time, LOL.

I have one 44 year old who just wants go get it on, a prior SB who wants 150 per meeting, a 22 year old who' is rather stunning and I almost fell over when she sent me the bra and panties pic, a 23 year old cutie who lives 30-40 mins away, a 24 year old who's back in school in later in the year, but lives 2 1/2 hours away. She's agreed to drive 1/2 way to meet. All are very cute (one is stunning) and you know how I am about donation amounts. I also was chatting with one 35 year old who's pics were not the greatest, but her body was slamming!

So I schedule 3 for yesterday. Meet the 35 year old for lunch M&G, the 22 year old co-ed for a late lunch M&G and back up the road for the 44 year old who just wants to get it on. My thinking was the first two would get me all aroused and ready and I'd take out my sexual frustration on the 44 year old.

Funny thing, the 44 year old was the only one to cancel. She gave me some crazy story, but in the end, I think she just got cold feet.

The M&G with the 35 year old was amazing. She's much prettier than her pics, the body is off the charts and she's not looking for a SD (I know I was thinking the same thing, why are you here). She is married, main bread winner in her house, has two cars a successful biz. Our M&G lasted 3 hours. She's looking for much more of an affair with someone who at least has the means to travel with her sometimes, pay for hotel rooms, pay for meals and surprise her with little gifts every now and then. She would not let me give her money for gas, she was like,"my tank is full". I don't need you to give me any money, just give me attention and good luvin. She even offered to pay for the meal and told me some of our trips will be on her expense account. So I'm thinking, now where do I sign!

Lunch ends, I pay for the meal, get a nice long hug and a couple of quick kisses. This M&G made me late for my 2nd M&G. I almost didn't go. I knew that she was so much of a good catch that I may not need the 22 year old co-ed. But I went to see her anyway. Thinking would could it hurt, she's probably going to be self-centered, selfish and hard to talk to. Boy was I wrong, she was the total opposite.

I cannot believe my luck, she looked even better than her pics, I didn't think that was possible. Here she is this 22 year old hottie, with a 2 year old kid, living in her own apartment, going to school and working a part time job. Parents are paying for school, she just would like some help with her other bills. She does not have a car. So it's rent, etc. She's got this small waist, cute butt and this DDs on a 5'2 frame. Oh my, I just had to touch them before the date was over. To make a long story short, by the end of the M&G, we were doing some heavy making out in my car. She did not stop me from caressing those DDs and at some point I had one of them in my mouth. In broad daylight, it was making her nervous and excited at the same time. I made sure to pick a spot that we'd not be disturbed.

Now get this, her rent is only $600 per month. She was more than happy if I could help her with even 1/2. She said I could visit as much as I like (she didn't promise a key, LOL). We have agreed that the next date will be doing the TiggaBounce, she says we can do her place, I may do a hotel just for the first time. With her, MsOxyMoron (27) and my new Biz Executive SugaMomma (35). I'm done. I hid my sdaddie profile, my SA has already expired and I told 2 on sd4me that I'm focusing on someone else.

I'm still shaking my head at such good fortune, but I do know fortunes can change quickly. Back to my shaking my head. A truly beautiful 22 year old co-ed, great body, $300-600 a month, unlimited visits. She's soft spoken, kinda shy and just doesn't go out much and does not realize how pretty she is. And those DDs, just put me over the edge.

BigTigg

[Revvo]

POTRSB8, CH. About 37 not that great head maybe a 6 and a killer body maybe a 9 body. May be a semi pro. Very sexual and suggestive right off the bat. Hell she could just be horny. Anyway she told me right out on first text exchange whatever I want. She was a little shy about providing more pictures. We will see. Sounds like she may be a really good fuck.

I am skipping a couple of GPS's since nothing is happening with them. Wasted my time and I am not going to waste yours.

POTRSB7, BR. Very very hot 19 yo HCB, blond. She is the one who sent me pictures and did not respond back. Two days later she responds calls and texts me. I could detect the scent of GPS but not outright. Now she has been on the site since October and says her experience has been good. This also makes me suspicious. Is she lying? Is she some kind of pro? Don't know. I know this a solid 9 head and at least an 8 body. Cute little thing. Face like an angel. So it took a while of texting but I got her to warm up to me. Then she asked to meet me and is coming to drive to me from another city. She mentioned payment for an arrangement. I told her we need to make sure we hit it off first before we have an arrangement. She said she is sure we will hit it off. Of course I am in Vegas all week. So I am booking her in on Friday night. When I fly back in. But I also have a happy hour appointment with my current fave, R. We will see if I can squeeze both in.

POTRSB9, JO. Starting to have to use two letters. I really really like this one. She is 22 smart, sexy, not slutty, has 8. 5 head, and a smoking 9 body with great natural titties. She attracted to older men. Has not been on SA long. And we did the old text tango for a while and got her nice and warmed up and, then proceeded to telephone conversation. Where things heated up more. Not sexual. A little innuendo, and a whole lot of flirting and laughing. She really warmed up to me. I love it when I can see them actually warming up to you getting more into you, coming out of their shell. Reaching out to you. Trying to show you they are special and different. If you are conscious you can see it and feel it. This is a great feeling for me. One of the best things about this hobby. Then the next morning she texts me and tells me to have a great day. That's all. I don't think the warden has ever done that. I think this one and R are the greatest potential for a LT NSA type. Hey maybe both? A man can dream can't he? I could put each one on a $800 per month allowance, that's $1600 per month, that's $18k per year. Whats the price of happiness? What percentage of your salary would you pay for real joy?

I am writing this on my plane to Vegas. My Vegas hottie J has not responded to my text earlier. Hey she may not show. But I do not even really care at the point. I got so much very high quality pussy, waiting for me at home. It is good to have abundance.

Besides this morning I heard from two very nice HCB's. Respond to my letter. One looks like she may be a keeper. Red flag; they are both asking for more pics. Usually a sign they are looking for a hot looking boyfriend. I am not bad looking and, have all of my hair and not fat. But I am not young stud. But this is not about looks anyway. If it is they need to go onto match. Com. Find a good looking 22 yo stud, with a nice car. Go on a couple of dutch dates with no conversation or interest. Get into a sweaty 30 second emotionless sex session. Wonder what is wrong with men. And then find out he has a girlfriend or is cheating on her. And still lives with mommy. She just fucked a good looking 14 year old boy that happens to be 22 yo chronologically.

I am going to do another post about GPS and a rap I use on them to counteract it's negative effects. Still a work in progress.

Revvo

[Hernando]

" I got stood-up" John G Smith

Welcome to the club JG. I know you are an experienced hand but this happens inexplicably to all of us. My condolences.

Big Tigg says it best by confirming on the day of and on the trip over, which you will always do in the future."Once burned shame on you, twice shame on me." or something like that. This flake entertained you in the FC and it makes sense that she would be an shoo in for a repeat showing. This just demonstrates how utterly unreliable most of these girls can be. I have been very fortunate of late in having very reliable SBs. I changed my approach from multifucking to monogamous behavior, and staying away from Nando 1s. It has been rare that I was rescheduled even, not to mention stood up. My last stand up I reported on months ago. In a nutshell she was coming to spend the night for a generous amount. She totally blew it off, no call on the day of or the day after. I did attempt to contact her the day of but I gave her the benefit of the doubt, and lost. I bought flowers and food and drink, but fortunately no hotel was booked, so I just enjoyed those things at my own home.

The bottom line for me : 1) no Nando 1s, EVER 2) preferably college girls or educated, and 3) no kids (I know this is harsh but kids add that unpredictable element)