"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**HollywoodGuy** · 02-01-13 17:38

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

"Do you actually include specific amounts in your intro" Smokartz_XO.

Gents, we all know why most of these babies are here. They know it, and we know it. Some just want to pretend for a while, and others are actually pros in SB disguise. These sites are just another free marketing venue.

The best side to err on is the respectful one that is a little more subtle. Some of the guys here are very successful not mentioning $$ at all. I always like being up front after getting a feel for the SB from texting and talking. I do not want to waste my time by meeting a GPS and spending some spec money on her just to find out that she values her Quan at 5$/pop. I like to ask something like " what goals do you have in mind from our relationship "? Or more directly," What sort of help are you looking for?"

We all have discussed this in prior posts and every successful SB has his own formula.

I offer $ a date period. The end. Lots of takers. I bring it up in the first email or message exchange. i am very busy and dont like to waste anyones time. seems to work best with 20 to 22 year olds. these are 7+ quality only. i date a lot so this still adds up on a monthly basis. long term regulars get perks, but then so do I. But for a first time or 2 or 3 meeting I don't budge. If i only wanted to date 10's .. then i would have to pay more. But what i might gain in looks i would loose in attitude. So for me it's not worth it. I would rather turn my 7's into 9's over time by suggesting all my donations go to hair, nails, clothes, etc. Let those other guys pay the rent, car payment, etc...

Obviously every situation is different. But my donation does not vary, although what they spend it on may.

**Hernando** · 02-01-13 17:18

"Do you actually include specific amounts in your intro" Smokartz_XO.

Gents, we all know why most of these babies are here. They know it, and we know it. Some just want to pretend for a while, and others are actually pros in SB disguise. These sites are just another free marketing venue.

The best side to err on is the respectful one that is a little more subtle. Some of the guys here are very successful not mentioning $$ at all. I always like being up front after getting a feel for the SB from texting and talking. I do not want to waste my time by meeting a GPS and spending some spec money on her just to find out that she values her Quan at 5$/pop. I like to ask something like " what goals do you have in mind from our relationship "? Or more directly," What sort of help are you looking for?"

We all have discussed this in prior posts and every successful SB has his own formula.

**Member #5570** · 02-01-13 15:00

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

I've had similar experiences as Scott F. On SA, I tend to have to do a longer warm-up act before getting to the nitty gritty details. In my experience, SA girls tend to be a little bit newer to the sugar world. Some of them might be a little more hesitant, but they're "fresher" and higher quality on the average. I see a lot more university / full time college SBs on SA than on SDFM.

With SDFM, Hollywood Guy is totally correct, being direct is key. A few weeks ago, I changed my approach on SDFM to be more direct and I literally got a 90% response rate. Some of the girls may have wanted more than what I was offering, but I still got responses even from hot chicks and sometimes there was room to negotiate. IMO, SDFM is mostly the hangout for seasoned SBs or girls who are already used to purely transactional arrangements (ie. Strippers and UTR Escorts).

Both sites have their share of GPSs. Though SA probably has the worst in my experience. Also SA I think have more girls who think guys will pay them 2-3k a month just to be arm candy and never put out. Whereas SDFM has more girls who are down with the program (for the right price).

I've personally had more success with SA, but I've been using that site longer and I probably wasn't using SDFM correctly until just about a few weeks ago.

Do you actually include specific amounts in your intro / mailings? Like ' I can reward you with $100 a date"? I think this would be too direct? I thouht these girls like to be treated like normal and not an escort. I am too having very little success with sd4m. Perhaps I really need to change my approach?

**BigTigger** · 02-01-13 14:02

Originally Posted by Spitfire [View Original Post]

It's been ages since I checked out sugardaddie dot com. If I recall correctly, the search is only at the state level and you can't narrow it down to distance from you. Is it still that way?

That has not changed, but it's just as simple as asking, what part of "XX" are you in, in your first communication. It's a hassle, but not that much of one.

BigTigg

**FredMoore** · 02-01-13 13:43

Since everyone is so good about acronyms for these HCBs I thought I would add my own and make an entry in this regard. CB would be Civilian Baby.

I frequently visit a large corporate client where I am well known. There is a drop dead gorgeous admin asst who I have SERIOUS hots for. She is early to mid 20s (I am 50s) and we are flirting, but she seems like a "good " girl and I am afraid that it would shock her beyond belief if I came on to her. However, the little head rules the day, so here's what happened. We were talking about the super bowl and she is going home to Baltimore to go to the game with her girlfriends and to pay down (gasp! A HCG with a school debt!) her loan. I know you are all thinking I made the move but I filed it away for another day. Hmmm. Sweetheart, would you like me to help you with your school debt? I know how hard it must be to make ends meet.

So does anyone have any slick line I can roll out there so that I could save face if she is totally not open to the SB scenario? Mandy, if you are still her perhaps you could weigh in on the subject of perverting (converting) a chaste young thing?

**Spitfire** · 02-01-13 08:57

Originally Posted by CantWinLosin [View Original Post]

My take on SA and SD4M follow the others here, for my area. No one ever mentions sugardaddie dot com, though. The place seems to have the 30+ MILF segment locked up, which makes it much more appealing to me, but I've yet to meet anyone from there. Does anyone have experience with that site?

It's been ages since I checked out sugardaddie dot com. If I recall correctly, the search is only at the state level and you can't narrow it down to distance from you. Is it still that way?

**BigTigger** · 02-01-13 01:24

I was so tempted to hit on my waitress today, but I knew the other young lady was coming. She was nice, reserved, ok body, cute face and engaging. Since my date was late. Uugh I hate that. I chatted her up and felt there was some connection. I'm tempted to go back and try my luck anyway.

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

Going after a regular girl who's clearly working at a deadend job but hasn't discovered the sugar world is an opportunity to mine in fresh territory. Basically the old fashioned way, LOL.

**BigTigger** · 02-01-13 01:20

Originally Posted by CantWinLosin [View Original Post]

My take on SA and SD4M follow the others here, for my area. No one ever mentions sugardaddie dot com, though. The place seems to have the 30+ MILF segment locked up, which makes it much more appealing to me, but I've yet to meet anyone from there. Does anyone have experience with that site?

I have had a lot of luck there, let me try to count, well over 8 to 10 scores (24 year old AA. 22 year dominican. 30 year old latin and a host of others). I just renewed my account yesterday and have 3 pots already. It's good, it's a bit more work, but I found it very useful.

BigTigg

**BigTigger** · 02-01-13 01:18

Had a meet and greet today with a 25 year old with a killer body from SD4ME. She had gained a little since the pics. The date was ok, but she had been emotionally and physically abused as a youth. So she was a bit all over the place, hard to read and a little weird. She was a bit OCD and ADD at the same time. It was a bit confusing. However, she did not seem too spastic, so I engaged and we chatted. A couple of leg rubs and subtle flirting. At some point I snuck in kiss. She was surprised, but welcomed it, it was limited to a very quick peck. She doesn't like pre-mature affection.

However, she also had this weird sense of right and wrong, that I can take her shopping, etc on the first date, but affection has to go at a much slower pace. Right! She doesn't get it. I paid for lunch, gave her gas money and even gave her chocolates and a starbucks card. For the M&G. I was not expecting the Tiggabounce, but a bit more than that 1/2 hug and "no more kisses" would have been nice. It was an 1 and 1/2 hour lunch date. I can't touch the lips, but she can use those same lips to ask me to take her shopping. Anyway, more than likely that will be the last date. She called later that day to ask for another date tomorrow that included shopping. I told her I was busy, maybe next week. She actually lost me when she said that sex in the relationship wasn't very important and that she's not a fan of receiving oral sex. She was just so not what I was expecting, the pictures were so nice and her initial conversations were on point.

Anyway, in my quest to have the Tiggabounce at every site I try (AFF-success, AM-success, SD4ME-success, CL Ad-success, Sdaddie-success, SA=success, OBC-success, BPM-success). I've been chatting with this married pot from POF. This is my first foray into POF, but is seems to be ok. We exchanged lots of emails and plenty of texts today. She could not talk on the phone, so we texted today for hours, between all my meetings and driving. Athletic build. 43 years old and with a great smile. We live about 2 to 3 hours apart. So the first date will be a long one and probably end up in the Tiggabounce, that's too far to not get in the goodies. I'll just keep texting and emailing until she's cool with the hotel on the first date. Since it's POF, the fact that I'm paying for gas, means and room was very appealing to her. I'll still give her some cash too, but the pressure to give the "right" amount is not there.

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I also contacted this 5'10 MILF who is 44 from SD4ME. She's ok looking, but not the cutest, however she has a manual labor job, hell on the face, great on the body. Oh my, the body is smoking. She's just horny as hell and wants a good working over. She's married and been deprived for years. We are meeting next week. We've talked on the phone, sexted, texted and exchanged pics. I asked about a M&G to get comfortable, then schedule the Tiggabounce. 2nd date. She said no, she wants to get to it on the first date. Does not want to go out, wants to meet at the room and just get worked over for a good couple of hours. I' 5'8, I told her I like 'them tall and to wear heels. She says she loves dressing up and will be looking great when she shows up. I need a more dependable booty call friend and she just might work. I'll keep you updated.

-The MILF that I had before wanted to go out again, I said no and pretty much told her I'd not be seeing her anymore. She went bonkers with all this I'm going to tell you wife, yada yada. Fortunately she doesn't have any of my real info. I knew she had a little crazy in here. She was a good lay, but too erratic.

- Chatted with another pot from sdaddie, she wanted me to drive 3 hours one way, spend 3 hours with her. 2 days a month for $$$$$$$$. You know that does not work with the TiggaMath!

-Got a number for a UTR from another thread, put the number in my phone and it was someone I had met on sdaddie dot com. Wow, she went from SD to non-pro to pro in less than six months.

-The one that was a referral from her friend has stopped replying to texts, emails and phone calls. I did one of each, I'm done, moving on. I am sad a little. I thought she was going to be the one to bounce all the others.

John G, thanks, I'll keep everyone updated. I hope this happens soon as I'm tired of the hustle with these others. I have a meeting with my young sphinx MsOxyMoron Friday night. She made it clear, she's very comfortable with me and doesn't want a bunch of non-essentials, like dinner, movie or pretense. She wants me in bed naked when she arrives and says that will be much of the same once she gets her place! BTW, I wish I could get a studio for that price, trust me, I've looked. In many cases I can get shared spaces, but I've not liked that setup.

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

BigTigg, I forgot to mention what you're about to setup with the apartment is pretty much the ideal setup I'd like to have someday. Pay maybe 500 - 800 for a studio apartment per month located somewhat nearby and then show up just about whenever I please. As others have mentioned, it has to be someone you won't get bored of for 6-12 months, but with the right girl it can be the perfect setup. Wish you good luck and let us know how it goes.

**JoyDrop** · 01-31-13 21:07

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

Since we were on the subject of websites, I thought I'd bring to the group on whether any of have attempted to approach a regular girl in your day-to-day life to make her into a SB? I know for me, I'm now much more confident with talking and approaching 18-22 year olds compared to just a couple of years ago. Though I haven't yet actually broached the subject of an arrangement to one in my everyday life.

This is the pool I'm starting to play in. Check your PM's.

**CantWinLosin** · 01-31-13 20:38

My take on SA and SD4M follow the others here, for my area. No one ever mentions sugardaddie dot com, though. The place seems to have the 30+ MILF segment locked up, which makes it much more appealing to me, but I've yet to meet anyone from there. Does anyone have experience with that site?

**John G Smith** · 01-31-13 09:06

If you haven't read them already, you should check out the posts of a particular member in the LA Non-Pro topics. Unlike many of the guys there who hunt for girls on CL and SD sites, he looks for opportunities in his day to day life in retail stores and such to convert young hotties into SBs of sorts. He has a low success rate, but when it works he taps a completely fresh normal girl who may have never heard about sugar daddy sites and such.

Since we were on the subject of websites, I thought I'd bring to the group on whether any of have attempted to approach a regular girl in your day-to-day life to make her into a SB? I know for me, I'm now much more confident with talking and approaching 18-22 year olds compared to just a couple of years ago. Though I haven't yet actually broached the subject of an arrangement to one in my everyday life.

Part of it is that I'm married so sometimes I'm damn tempted but I don't want to hit on a cashier who I might bump into later with my SO. But I'm thinking about trying out my skills at some out of the way malls or retail shops and look for fresh territory for potential SBs. Part of the problem with SD websites, is that you're competing with an unknown amount of guys also offering money, gifts, etc. And the girls themselves may be seeing multiple SDs. Going after a regular girl who's clearly working at a deadend job but hasn't discovered the sugar world is an opportunity to mine in fresh territory. Basically the old fashioned way, LOL.

That's why I like talking to the pot SBs on SA and SDFM even if it doesn't go anywhere. I'm trying to make a profile of the type of girl who eventually goes to these sites. This way when I'm out in the field, I'll know what signs to look for. When I have more time, I'll post some characteristics from my observations for you guys amusement and we can trade notes.

**John G Smith** · 01-31-13 08:43

I've had similar experiences as Scott F. On SA, I tend to have to do a longer warm-up act before getting to the nitty gritty details. In my experience, SA girls tend to be a little bit newer to the sugar world. Some of them might be a little more hesitant, but they're "fresher" and higher quality on the average. I see a lot more university / full time college SBs on SA than on SDFM.

With SDFM, Hollywood Guy is totally correct, being direct is key. A few weeks ago, I changed my approach on SDFM to be more direct and I literally got a 90% response rate. Some of the girls may have wanted more than what I was offering, but I still got responses even from hot chicks and sometimes there was room to negotiate. IMO, SDFM is mostly the hangout for seasoned SBs or girls who are already used to purely transactional arrangements (ie. Strippers and UTR Escorts).

Both sites have their share of GPSs. Though SA probably has the worst in my experience. Also SA I think have more girls who think guys will pay them 2-3k a month just to be arm candy and never put out. Whereas SDFM has more girls who are down with the program (for the right price).

I've personally had more success with SA, but I've been using that site longer and I probably wasn't using SDFM correctly until just about a few weeks ago.

**John G Smith** · 01-31-13 08:12

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

Wow, just had this discussion with MsOxyMoron, she's getting them and I'm paying. Get this, she says she's never done it without condoms. So this should be fun. I think the BC will come before she gets a place, I can't wait to see her reaction.

BigTigg.

BigTigg, I forgot to mention what you're about to setup with the apartment is pretty much the ideal setup I'd like to have someday. Pay maybe 500 - 800 for a studio apartment per month located somewhat nearby and then show up just about whenever I please. As others have mentioned, it has to be someone you won't get bored of for 6-12 months, but with the right girl it can be the perfect setup. Wish you good luck and let us know how it goes.