"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Kyowa]

My membership lapsed about a month ago and I quickly received a total of 19 new messages, only 2 of whom I had ever had contact with previously, hopefully this one is for real, not a lot of sb's here in Charlottesville for a town with about 10,000 coeds at UVa.

I've got a couple ideas about why experiments fail to validate this theory; the first is that most university coeds today, despite years of safe-sex education & despite the Dr Phil-&-"Pretty Woman movie" hype, aren't sexually open-minded enough to deal with the realities of being any older-guys S'B' unless he is also incredibly handsome & sexy; they'd think nothing of giving B'B'B'J's to their "B'F's" for free, or maybe even to "jocks" or musicians that they find attractive, but they won't want to think of themselves as "whoring" for money! & even if they found a sugar-daddy who is both rich & as handsome + sexy as they'd find attractive: they wouldn't want to be hidden away in discreet rendezvous' but they'd want to be eye-candy at high-class events! The "Dr Phil\Pretty Woman movie" "effect" (a' k' a' "platinum pussy syndrome" in some venues) may well exist, but I think that most of them wouldn't even get to the "maybe-baby" level because of their close-mindedness! Even those that venture to the "Maybe-Baby" stage probably drop-out of the "sugar-bowl" very quickly as soon as they become dis-illusioned with it once they realize that their expected "market" doesn't really exist!

The second is that I've also had anecdotal conversations, with girls who claim to have participated in the "program" even at small & less well-known universities, that athletic-program "boosters" at universities that recruit young male "jocks" (often from inner-cities) for high-value "full-ride" athletic-scholarships will make U'T'R' "arrangements" with coeds willing to join "pep"club-type programs so that these coeds financial + medical (particularly including birth-control) needs will be taken care of in return for keeping these "jocks" (that the athletic-dep't has expensively & publicly recruited) sexually satiated; thereby avoiding the unwelcome publicity that might arise from the family of some naive freshmen or sophomore coed, or some local girl, if it should happen that she'd get "accidentally" pregnant or if she'd freak-out & go on the news if the "jock" got a little too rough with her during sex! Such "arrangements" might "cherry-pick" many of the more likely potential S'B's prior to them ever venturing into the "sugar-bowl" outside the campus!

I've been on and off SA for a few years but have still learned some valuable tips from this thread, so thanks to all, I don't get out much but will be glad to share the info when I do.

[HollywoodGuy]

Hollywood, I hear you man and we are all turned on by different things. If you track my posts back to the beginning you will see that I have been all up and down this road in every vehicle made. After logging many miles I now value a steady girl who has my best interest at heart (as long as the sugar flows) Safe sex is an oxymoron and girls who devalue sex and play it loose are a bigger risk. They can also be more callous when it comes to enjoyment and consider it a job. I want the young girl who has enough money from her job or parents for the necessities and looks to her Daddy for some cream.pun intended. I have experienced the Nando 1s who are whining for money constantly and it is never enough. They do need multiple daddies, and we actually call them escorts. They are also the ones who are more likely to be scammers and blackmailers. Never again for me. So I stick with self sufficient girls who can appreciate a classy guy who cherishes then, treats them to special occasions, and allows then to have enough money to enjoy the extras in life.

Everything you say here is all good and I have been moving in this direction a bit. Now it's just a typical bf gf relationship. The girls seem to fall in love a little more than I can handle sometimes. But my current #1 is as you have described and I am returning the affection. Although I am not "in love". But it is good. She has full knowledge of my random girls. And has not gotten greedy. Financially or emotionally. I guess the bottom line is it's nice to party but it's also nice to have that settled down feeling as well. I just seem to need both

[HollywoodGuy]

I've been watching the board this week and over the last few weeks. What's with you guys getting much older ladies for SB. Isn't the point of SB for her to be a PYT? Instead you are paying a woman in her 30's and some of you in her 40's for the time. It seems to me you are getting a MILF at a higher rate than a regular escort. Or some of you are calling your regular a SB when she is just that, a regular escort. An SB should be a younger girl there at your convience, whom you take care of financially. An SB should be more of a dating relationship then a pay per visit. SB you take. To dinner, go to theatre, ext.

My average age girl is 22. There have been a few scientific polls done and the results seem to indicate that the most popular girls for LTR SB's is from 27 to 35.

[Hernando]

Hollywood, I hear you man and we are all turned on by different things. If you track my posts back to the beginning you will see that I have been all up and down this road in every vehicle made. After logging many miles I now value a steady girl who has my best interest at heart (as long as the sugar flows) Safe sex is an oxymoron and girls who devalue sex and play it loose are a bigger risk. They can also be more callous when it comes to enjoyment and consider it a job. I want the young girl who has enough money from her job or parents for the necessities and looks to her Daddy for some cream.pun intended. I have experienced the Nando 1s who are whining for money constantly and it is never enough. They do need multiple daddies, and we actually call them escorts. They are also the ones who are more likely to be scammers and blackmailers. Never again for me. So I stick with self sufficient girls who can appreciate a classy guy who cherishes then, treats them to special occasions, and allows then to have enough money to enjoy the extras in life.

[CantWinLosin]

I've been watching the board this week and over the last few weeks. What's with you guys getting much older ladies for SB. Isn't the point of SB for her to be a PYT? Instead you are paying a woman in her 30's and some of you in her 40's for the time. It seems to me you are getting a MILF at a higher rate than a regular escort. Or some of you are calling your regular a SB when she is just that, a regular escort. An SB should be a younger girl there at your convience, whom you take care of financially. An SB should be more of a dating relationship then a pay per visit. SB you take. To dinner, go to theatre, ext.

For you, that may be true. For others of us, we seek other things. As I and others have said, sometimes our circumstances make an arm-candy SB impractical. And there's value in the dependability and safety of a SB over an escort, regardless of their age.

As for looks, I'll just say that there are MILF's out there that are not only just as hot as any 20-something you can find, they're much better in the rack simply because of their experience. And you can actually have a conversation with them afterwards.

But that's the beauty of this. We can each find what works for us.

[HappyKampr75]

I've been watching the board this week and over the last few weeks. What's with you guys getting much older ladies for SB. Isn't the point of SB for her to be a PYT? Instead you are paying a woman in her 30's and some of you in her 40's for the time. It seems to me you are getting a MILF at a higher rate than a regular escort. Or some of you are calling your regular a SB when she is just that, a regular escort. An SB should be a younger girl there at your convience, whom you take care of financially. An SB should be more of a dating relationship then a pay per visit. SB you take. To dinner, go to theatre, ext.

[WoodSlinger]

I value a lot of the information that is shared in this thread. It seems that the general consensus around here is the quest for finding the 'one' SB. The ATF, regular gal, or whatever you want to call it. I am at a loss here. I get tired quickly of the same girl even if they are amazing in bed, hot as hell, smart and intellectually stimulating. I know I am not the only one, so curiosity made me write a report on this topic.

I have been posting ads on CL, and recently responding with girls on SA. I have at least 6 girls in various stages of my process, screen, M&G, negotiations, and the deed.

Hernando I had to laugh at your post expecting monogamy once you are emotionally involved. Did you make a special exception for your wife? This just smacks of hypocrisy to the nth degree. Sorry I don't mean to offend, but I call it like I see it.

I actually tell the girls that want more $ than I can provide that they should be seeing a couple daddy's. That I do not care as long as they play safe. I would go so far as to offering an insight into my world and how other guys operate.

I like the EuroInCincy method of having another daddy over to supply sugar in the room while I am off on the golf course. Well played if I do say so myself.

What about you, Are you looking for the one girl that sets your nights on fire, or are you like me? Do you love variety, the hunt, the ability to fast track a new girl that catches your eye? Looking forward to hearing what others have to say about this.

Peace and Pussy! WS.

I don't see the problem here actually. It is quite fun if you have a good enough relation. The one I have does it, and each time it means she loves to come back to me and she mentions,"no need for sugar this time I already have enough". I even had it during a long weekend. Got a nice hotel suite and the 2nd day she had another guy over, he was willing to pay more for 2 hours with there than I could for the whole weekend. (she got paid pro GPS LOL). Her comment afterwards "what a sucker and yes daddy I climaxed once, thinking it was you, can we have some gal sex please"

[EuroInCincy]

If you can't provide enough dough to keep your sb from bangin other guys thats her fault? I will never understand this line of thinking. The only way around this is to make sure your girl has a real job. Have you done her bills? If not this is petty in my book. This is the kind of provincial thinking that breeds resentment in girls. How can a girl have a good time if in the back of her mind she is worried about bills? Your girl is working dude. For you. If you can't pay enough of course she is going to look for some OT or another job to make up for what you can't or won't provide.

I don't see the problem here actually. It is quite fun if you have a good enough relation. The one I have does it, and each time it means she loves to come back to me and she mentions,"no need for sugar this time I already have enough". I even had it during a long weekend. Got a nice hotel suite and the 2nd day she had another guy over, he was willing to pay more for 2 hours with there than I could for the whole weekend. (she got paid pro GPS LOL). Her comment afterwards "what a sucker and yes daddy I climaxed once, thinking it was you, can we have some gal sex please"

[FotoGuy1970]

Just finished negotiations with the tall blonde college SB for an overnight. Sometimes it *does* pay to be patient with the new girls.

[HollywoodGuy]

I can certainly respect the guys who feel this way and live where they can carry it off. But this ain't Hollywood; many of us live in small-town-bible-belt style America and have public lives. I'm noticing that it's becoming pretty rare that I go anywhere around here without running into someone I have social / civic connections to. Doing that with a girl half my age (that isn't one of my daughters) could be a real problem for me, and I'm not married. The married brothers here have even less freedom in that way than I do.

A lot of these younger babies simply don't grasp that. The media has pushed this titillating image of sugar relationships being all about a rich guy showering some sexy young girl with gifts and taking her to expensive places and fancy events on his arm, and more and more of this latest generation of younger SBs have swallowed that myth hook, line and sinker. When you explain to them how this really works, they get offended, not only because they don't want to feel like a hooker but because they feel lied to, either by you or by Dr. Phil.

I've pretty much given up on anything younger than 30. They may not always have that tight young body, but they know how the world actually turns and are far more realistic. They also tend to be less demanding financially, and they appreciate it more.

I do sympathize and I am glad I don't have to worry about barney and aunt bee gossiping this shit to the folks. Also I have raised the bar as far as my regular girls have to live at home and have a job or be on her own and have a good job. Because the financial demands of the truly needy are over my means in this continued recession that never ends. Also I try to avoid the single moms as the thought of the little ones going without has had me spend when I shouldn't.

[HollywoodGuy]

Why a fantasy. I have gone to an erotic shop, buying a corset for her, and since it had to be laced up I just stepped in. If there were looks, I must have been blind.

Did the same at a Macey's some dresses. The 'attendant' gave me a jealous look when I came out, he did whipered loud enough that I could hear it "lucky dog" so I turned around and said nah no luck just know how to play your cards.

I have an inexpensive regular place I take my girls for a dress or some shoes. A few weeks back my current #1 put on the dress and shoes and I couldn't control myself. I went in the room and started finger bangin her. This is a room with justa a partial swing door. The sales girl saw what was up and started yelling loudly for me to get the heck out of there. I refused and she kept telling me to stop. So I yelled out to the owner. Hey dude I spend a lot a cash here. It was too funny. We both got a good laugh and rushed home to finish the deed.

[HollywoodGuy]

I have been totally paranoid as a married man in keeping sub rosa. It is very hard to start a solid relationship with a sb which will stand the test of time without revealing most of the truth about yourself. It is good to know you can trust that she is sane and not out to hurt you. Now that I am separated I am more forthcoming about myself. As a single guy I would not think that there would be much blowback from public disclosure that you are dating younger women unless you are a pediatrician at 60 dating an 18 yr old. It might get your patients moms talking.

Re: honesty in advertising. Once I develop a relationship I am emotionally involved in I do care about monogamy. While there is no way to monitor this there has to be some trust between the two of you about expectations. I do not want my SB who I am caring for out there banging other guys as well. If they are for money then that smacks of prostitution. I have nothing against that age old profession but if I wanted a working girl I would go there. As it stands if I have a relationship I want exclusivity.

If you can't provide enough dough to keep your sb from bangin other guys thats her fault? I will never understand this line of thinking. The only way around this is to make sure your girl has a real job. Have you done her bills? If not this is petty in my book. This is the kind of provincial thinking that breeds resentment in girls. How can a girl have a good time if in the back of her mind she is worried about bills? Your girl is working dude. For you. If you can't pay enough of course she is going to look for some OT or another job to make up for what you can't or won't provide.

[HollywoodGuy]

Hello all, I've been lurking on the board for some time now and I may finally have a story to contribute.

I've been trying to delve into the sugar world since March. Met one off SD today dot com back in March, but after a few weeks of taking sugar and gifts from me and giving nothing in return, I stopped returning her texts. Had continued trying to get my foot in the door through that website, SA, SD4ME, and CL ads. Lots of nibbles, no biters. I hate fishing.

Earlier this week, started talking to a young college cutie that responded to a CL ad. MY SB must be a college cutie, I've little or no interest in anything else. This is one is 21YO. 5'11", blonde hair, blue eyes, athletic body. Says she's always been interested in older men, never had the chance to act on it. Plus she really could use money. She's unsure about the arrangement and uncomfortable with anything too sexual yet, but after a nice M&G, I can tell she is genuinely interested. This weekend we'll be doing another date. Nothing too serious and nothing sexual yet. But I'm nearly 100% certain that once she gets more comfortable with a sugar arrangement and gets to know me a bit, she will be a great SB.

Will keep you all posted on how this plays out!

I am a firm believer in giving the girl the benefit of the doubt. For like one date. LOL. And intercourse can be on a second date. Even a third. But no sexual contact at all. Not a chance of that happening. I don't pay girls to hang out. If a girl isn't willing to practice her oral or HJ skills while waiting. Its a no go for me.

[Zomby]

Earlier this week, started talking to a young college cutie that responded to a CL ad. MY SB must be a college cutie, I've little or no interest in anything else. This is one is 21YO. 5'11", blonde hair, blue eyes, athletic body. Says she's always been interested in older men, never had the chance to act on it. Plus she really could use money. She's unsure about the arrangement and uncomfortable with anything too sexual yet, but after a nice M&G, I can tell she is genuinely interested. This weekend we'll be doing another date. Nothing too serious and nothing sexual yet. But I'm nearly 100% certain that once she gets more comfortable with a sugar arrangement and gets to know me a bit, she will be a great SB.

Not to be too much of a downer, but if you ever end up in the sack with this one, I'll be very surprised. It's entirely possible that too many years of chasing strippers has made me cynical, but her words sound like just another variation of the ever popular stripper mantra "Maybe when I get to know you better", which can be translated as "never, as long as I can get money out of you without putting out, and when you stop giving me stuff, I dump you and find some other loser."

If you're lucky, she's telling the truth, and it won't cost you too much to find out. It sounds like your previous attempt was successful (from her standpoint, not yours, in getting as much from you as possible without sharing the sugar. Don't make the same mistake again.

/z

[FotoGuy1970]

Hello all, I've been lurking on the board for some time now and I may finally have a story to contribute.

I've been trying to delve into the sugar world since March. Met one off SD today dot com back in March, but after a few weeks of taking sugar and gifts from me and giving nothing in return, I stopped returning her texts. Had continued trying to get my foot in the door through that website, SA, SD4ME, and CL ads. Lots of nibbles, no biters. I hate fishing.

Earlier this week, started talking to a young college cutie that responded to a CL ad. MY SB must be a college cutie, I've little or no interest in anything else. This is one is 21YO. 5'11", blonde hair, blue eyes, athletic body. Says she's always been interested in older men, never had the chance to act on it. Plus she really could use money. She's unsure about the arrangement and uncomfortable with anything too sexual yet, but after a nice M&G, I can tell she is genuinely interested. This weekend we'll be doing another date. Nothing too serious and nothing sexual yet. But I'm nearly 100% certain that once she gets more comfortable with a sugar arrangement and gets to know me a bit, she will be a great SB.

Will keep you all posted on how this plays out!