"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Golfcart** · 10-13-12 12:44

Originally Posted by Zomby [View Original Post]

*** My brother contracted HSV2 over twenty five years ago. Is first attack was the most severe, painful and ugly. His second attack wasn't anywhere near as severe as the first one, and after a year and only two more, the attacks have disappeared. He gets itchy once in a while, but no obvious sores. He hasn't had to use his meds for longer than my oldest child has been alive. ***/z

I saw a report of a similar experience. The first outbreak was very severe. After that the guy occcasionally felt an itch coming on and he would resume the pills for a week. He never knew if the itch was the sign of a forthcoming outbreak. Nonetheless he took the pills for a week and there was no further outbreak. After a year or so he never felt another itch and never took another pill.

Interestingly, he had difficulty getting his Rx renewed. All he had was an itch. The doctor did not want to write an Rx without seeing an outbreak. The guy posted he raised enough Hell in the office he got his Rx renewed.

**Zomby** · 10-12-12 18:54

Originally Posted by JoesParty [View Original Post]

I just found out that my 18yo HYB is positive for genital herpes (HSV-2).

I also found out that I have HSV-2 as well.

Joe,

Thanks for sharing, and my commiseration as well.

A question: Did the test confirm HSV2, or are you making that assumption based on the presence of "genital" bumps, rather than facial ones? If you are, that is not indicative. I presume it's the test, but it's worth making sure.

However, I want to point out that you got a wake up call with just cold water, instead of the scalding deluge it could have been. I realize that HSV is no walk in the park, but something like HEP or HIV could have been worse, infinitely so in one case.

I'd also like to offer some hope. If you are lucky, you may not suffer very much at all. In this day and age, HSV, even the genital "2" variety, is largely cosmetic, especially with the medical regimens available today. My brother contracted HSV2 over twenty five years ago. Is first attack was the most severe, painful and ugly. His second attack wasn't anywhere near as severe as the first one, and after a year and only two more, the attacks have disappeared. He gets itchy once in a while, but no obvious sores. He hasn't had to use his meds for longer than my oldest child has been alive. (:

I'm not trying to say you have nothing to worry about, far from it, especially as regards your marriage, but it may not be the devastatingly horrible thing you might be envisioning right now.

Best wishes,

/z

**ILikeHotWomen** · 10-12-12 15:01

So I know that a lot of members that post here are from places outside of Richmond. I just set up a fake profile on SA seeing what all was out there and the responses some of these guys send the ladies. Heh Would some of you mind sharing some tips on which sites are the best for Richmond and what has given you the best luck? Feel free to post here or message.

**John G Smith** · 10-11-12 04:19

Thanks for sharing Joe. It's very sobering to hear. And it's a big kick in the gut to see this happen to one of our brothers.

To be honest, anybody who frequents AMPs, escorts, and etc for any length of time (which is 90% of the people on this site) is going to have encountered someone with HSV at some point and it's pretty much just a coin toss on whether you contract it or not because condoms aren't fully protective of it. I've always assumed every sex worker has herpes because it's just so prevalent and easy to spread.

So the question becomes, can you afford to get herpes in your personal situation. I think what makes Joe's situation thorny is that his wife is still looking to have kids. Despite its negative connotation, herpes is pretty much benign aside from the initial infection period. The only serious health issue with herpes is if a woman becomes pregnant.

I know for my situation, I already have kids, no plans to have more. Giving my wife herpes wouldn't be good, but I've already at various points contemplated divorce. So if the marriage ended, it wouldn't be the end of the world. However I know some SDs / Mongers here are indeed happily married or at the very least looking to maintain their marriage long-term. If that's the case, you should seriously consider reevaluating the risks because herpes is so easy to spread, it's not really a matter of "if" it's "when".

Also for those of us in the Sugar Bowl, BB activities are a common place so our risks for things like this are even higher. What was sobering for me hearing Joe's story is that until this year when I officially got into the sugar bowl, I had never done any BB activities. In all my years of going to AMPs and seeing escorts, I think I got one BBBJ and never BBFS. Yet this year alone in the sugar bowl, I've had BBFS with three different SBs and BBBJ with every SB I got intimate with. The girls I had BBFS were between 18-20 and had very few previous sexual partners. But according to studies this is actually the highest risk group because they're least likely to use any form of protection.

The downside to the Sugar Bowl is that for some of us we get too brazen playing without a helmet. The girls we see just seem "normal" and since they're not blatantly screwing 6-12 guys a day in a hotel or massage parlor, we often forget about the real risks that are still there. I'm definitely guilty of this.

Joe I know you're in a rough spot right now. But you're not the first SD or will you be the last that has HSV-2, and many still play in the sugar bowl. Ethically you may want to limit yourself to covered activities but as mentioned before herpes is extremely widespread that I'd wager the majority of the SDs / SBs who've lived the lifestyle for a while probably have it even if they're not aware of it. Same thing for those that frequent escorts, street-walkers, and AMPs. It's the dirty little secret that rarely gets discussed on this site.

I'm just rambling now but Joe I hope you make it through your situation. It's definitely eye-opening and it has injected some hard bits of reality into this forum.

**AOneFred7734** · 10-10-12 19:42

Originally Posted by JoesParty [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

I've thought long and hard over the last few days about whether to post this or not, and I eventually decided that maybe my story will do someone else here some good. Maybe it will serve as a wake up call.

I just found out that my 18yo HYB is positive for genital herpes (HSV-2).

I also found out that I have HSV-2 as well.

I won't get into all the details, because they are largely irrelevant. But I will say that I am a smart guy who did some very stupid things. I hope and pray that nobody else is doing the dumb things I've done, or if they are, at least they're doing them knowingly and with full understanding of ALL of the risks.

I last saw HYB almost two weeks ago. We were both feeling a bit under the weather; me with a cold, her with a sore throat. We went to the movies, but one thing led to another, the little head took over all thinking duties, and we ended up at a hotel. To make matters worse, I entered her without a condom. I did not finish, but it is what it is.

Over the next few days, we each felt progressively worse. My doctor did a throat culture, and that's how they found it in me. The pubic bumps and sores appeared shortly thereafter. They gave me an anti-viral medication, which speeds the healing, and I have a follow-up visit tomorrow to discuss long-term therapy.

HYB was oblivious. She says she does not have obvious sores, so they never tested her for it. At my insistence, we did anonymous testing through www.tstd.org Yesterday at a local lab. The results returned today.

I believe HYB contracted it from her other SD, because she finally confessed yesterday that she's been barebacking him for months. By coincidence, I had a negative test on September 13, which leaves only two other potential partners, both of whom I now have little reason to suspect. Plus, I was protected with each of them (aside from oral).

HSV-2 is a virus that has no cure. I will be stuck with this my entire life. It can be suppressed, to varying degrees, and outbreaks controlled with medication. But I always risk passing it on whenever I have unprotected sex. Although the risk of transmission is relatively low when there is no outbreak, the risk remains. The risk is also very low, but again not zero, for unprotected oral.

There is a high likelihood that this one terrible decision will ruin my marriage as well. I am currently working through how and when to tell my wife. I've decided she needs to know soon, as we were considering children in the next year or two. I will be lucky if she even considers keeping me around. (Thanks to the confidential brother who has been guiding me through all this.)

I know that in the interest of brevity I've created many gaps in the story and that you may have questions. I'll be honest in saying that I don't know if I will be able (or will want) to answer them all. You can post them here or PM me. Needless to say, my days in the sugar bowl are done.

All I can say is that I hope this is an eye-opener for some of you.

Regards,

Joe

I have seen 3 diff, post just to day! About that kind of thing. Is makeing Me rethink all this.

**JoesParty** · 10-10-12 16:04

Gentlemen,

I've thought long and hard over the last few days about whether to post this or not, and I eventually decided that maybe my story will do someone else here some good. Maybe it will serve as a wake up call.

I just found out that my 18yo HYB is positive for genital herpes (HSV-2).

I also found out that I have HSV-2 as well.

I won't get into all the details, because they are largely irrelevant. But I will say that I am a smart guy who did some very stupid things. I hope and pray that nobody else is doing the dumb things I've done, or if they are, at least they're doing them knowingly and with full understanding of ALL of the risks.

I last saw HYB almost two weeks ago. We were both feeling a bit under the weather; me with a cold, her with a sore throat. We went to the movies, but one thing led to another, the little head took over all thinking duties, and we ended up at a hotel. To make matters worse, I entered her without a condom. I did not finish, but it is what it is.

Over the next few days, we each felt progressively worse. My doctor did a throat culture, and that's how they found it in me. The pubic bumps and sores appeared shortly thereafter. They gave me an anti-viral medication, which speeds the healing, and I have a follow-up visit tomorrow to discuss long-term therapy.

HYB was oblivious. She says she does not have obvious sores, so they never tested her for it. At my insistence, we did anonymous testing through www.tstd.org yesterday at a local lab. The results returned today.

I believe HYB contracted it from her other SD, because she finally confessed yesterday that she's been barebacking him for months. By coincidence, I had a negative test on September 13, which leaves only two other potential partners, both of whom I now have little reason to suspect. Plus, I was protected with each of them (aside from oral).

HSV-2 is a virus that has no cure. I will be stuck with this my entire life. It can be suppressed, to varying degrees, and outbreaks controlled with medication. But I always risk passing it on whenever I have unprotected sex. Although the risk of transmission is relatively low when there is no outbreak, the risk remains. The risk is also very low, but again not zero, for unprotected oral.

There is a high likelihood that this one terrible decision will ruin my marriage as well. I am currently working through how and when to tell my wife. I've decided she needs to know soon, as we were considering children in the next year or two. I will be lucky if she even considers keeping me around. (Thanks to the confidential brother who has been guiding me through all this.)

I know that in the interest of brevity I've created many gaps in the story and that you may have questions. I'll be honest in saying that I don't know if I will be able (or will want) to answer them all. You can post them here or PM me. Needless to say, my days in the sugar bowl are done.

All I can say is that I hope this is an eye-opener for some of you.

Regards,

Joe

**Mr Strict** · 10-09-12 21:14

Originally Posted by EuroInCincy [View Original Post]

Now here ar the bridge we are a bit confused. Or your little brain is getting more compute power than our starship computer.

1) she lives with her alcoholic dad that treats her like shit.

2) Threatens to kick her out if she doesn't have her half.

3) this morning she tells me I can come over while her dad is at work.

When does dad come back. When you are undressed? How quick can you tele transport yourself to your car, while your keys are in your pocket on her bedroom floor?

Please reroute power to the main brain. Engage

FVCK THAT!

1) she lives with her alcoholic dad that treats her like shit. (So what?)

2) Threatens to kick her out if she doesn't have her half. (Which you are willing to provide.)

3) this morning she tells me I can come over while her dad is at work. (Good thing. Don't want to be plowing daddy's little girl while he's pounding Jack in the kitchen.)

When does dad come back. When you are undressed? How quick can you tele transport yourself to your car, while your keys are in your pocket on her bedroom floor? (Pretty fvcking fast with keys in hand!)

Please keep supplying power to the auxiliary brain and stay engaged.

Dude! Have a plan, show up and pound her into the mattress! Drunk dad ain't coming home from work. And how long you going to spend there anyway? Get in, do the nasty, several times if possible and GTFO.

Remember: If you aren't living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.

Or not.

Strict

The Contrarian

**VAJimbo** · 10-09-12 18:35

Originally Posted by FeelGoodMd [View Original Post]

First, ask yourself if her pussy is worth the hassle and potential exposure. What if she "accidentally" leaves your email on a string she forwards to someone else?

For me, the scenario you described would mean "Operation Shut-down," and I'd break off all communication with her (at the very least until her case of GPS clears up). Always remember that a pot SB needs you more than you need her.

I might also consider contacting the man whose email addy you now have and give him a heads-up that she's playing both sides of the street and doing it indiscretely. If I were him, I would appreciate the information.

What is the baby's SA profile I'd number. I know I'd like to stay away from her brand of trouble, and I imagine most of the other bowlers on the forum would as well.

Dr. Feelgood.

I have long ago stopped chasing girls (follow yes) and she was put on the PNG list long ago, you will know here by her email handle LoveGee / LoveGee1. I'm not worried about my email address as it is a hobby email and I'm not married so little chance of it coming back on me (not impossible).

The thing is would you listen to someone out of the blue? While she is on my do not call list I do not want to antagonize her and end up on a list someplace and have to rebuild my persona.

In the end I'll probably get an email address on one of the services I never use and send him a short email but, I wonder will it help or will no good dead go unpunished?

**F Scott** · 10-09-12 18:35

Originally Posted by EuroInCincy [View Original Post]

Got a wink and reply from a SB on SA. Scanning through the computer memory banks, data was spewed out that she did so on tow past occasions and each time a variant of the same story. Her modeling manager took her $ used and abused her, she is living with mom now and needs help getting an apt etc.

So I am just waiting to what the version is this time 1092233.

Engage of to new star systems

Euro,

Images dot google dot com is a daddy's best friend. However it works, just copy and paste your SB's photo into the search bar. This one may be a real person, but I'm guessing not who she tells you she is. Not a wonder, since you already had her pegged as a scammer, but it does cut down on the wasted effort. I do this now as Standard Operating Procedure if the pics look too good to be true, which her's did, at least to me.

Scott

**F Scott** · 10-09-12 18:23

Originally Posted by EuroInCincy [View Original Post]

Now here ar the bridge we are a bit confused. Or your little brain is getting more compute power than our starship computer.

1) she lives with her alcoholic dad that treats her like shit.

2) Threatens to kick her out if she doesn't have her half.

3) this morning she tells me I can come over while her dad is at work.

When does dad come back. When you are undressed? How quick can you tele transport yourself to your car, while your keys are in your pocket on her bedroom floor?

Please reroute power to the main brain. Engage

Good catch, Euro!

My advice would have been "what do you have to lose, hit it once and quit it if needs be". Never thought of Drunk Dad bursting in with phasers on stun, or worse! Definitely time to seek out other star systems.

May we all live long and prosper!

**F Scott** · 10-09-12 17:38

Originally Posted by Hernando [View Original Post]

My Asian told me that she gets 100 hits on AM when her profile is active. So it appears that the F:M ratio is waaaay disproportionate for men. I'm lucky to get 1-2 answers

When I am really working SA, I might send out 30 or more messages a week. The first few days my fake SB profile was active, I got something like 45 messages. They did drop off after two or three days, which is interesting to note. Makes me think there is a group of guys out there just like me, trolling for new babies every day. Still don't know quite what to make of this new intel. Maybe we should ask Mandy to put in her two cents from a Real Baby's perspective, since obviously I'm not going to follow up with any of these guys; although there was this one astronaut who was making 5 million a year and looked an awful lot like Rob Lowe LOL!

Peace,

Mindi

**Hernando** · 10-09-12 16:56

My Asian told me that she gets 100 hits on AM when her profile is active. So it appears that the F:M ratio is waaaay disproportionate for men. I'm lucky to get 1-2 answers

**Hernando** · 10-09-12 13:39

OK Brothers, I had a long chat with my Asian last night. She says she has a "problem". She has an insatiable need for sex and can orgasm for hours, but has not been able to find a guy who is up to the task. Her fantasy is to have two guys at one time, sort of a tag teaam so that when one gets tired the other is ready to step in and continue the stimulation. So I said I would throw it out to the brotherhood and see if anyone out there would be interested in joining for a fuckathon? The topic of multiple guys did not seem to turn her off. She lives in Va Beach but might want to do this elsewhere out of her home base where she is well known. There is no money needed other than securing a hotel room and perhaps wining and dining her. She would need to vet each person involved. I will check her out Friday and if she is not FOS then I will pass the news along.

Woody, I had a Nando 1 drug addict and while the money saved is tempting I would stay away from her daddy's place.

**EuroInCincy** · 10-09-12 13:38

Got a wink and reply from a SB on SA. Scanning through the computer memory banks, data was spewed out that she did so on tow past occasions and each time a variant of the same story. Her modeling manager took her $ used and abused her, she is living with mom now and needs help getting an apt etc.

So I am just waiting to what the version is this time 1092233.

Engage of to new star systems

**EuroInCincy** · 10-09-12 13:33

Originally Posted by WoodSlinger [View Original Post]

I have a very hot attractive blonde I spent a couple hours with last week. She's a desperate Nando type 1 I think. This text comes in last Thursday.

Told me she lives with her alcoholic dad that treats her like shit. Threatens to kick her out if she doesn't have her half the rent and she tells me he has done this recently.

They live in an apt community I am familiar with and this morning she tells me I can come over while her dad is at work,

WS out.

Now here ar the bridge we are a bit confused. Or your little brain is getting more compute power than our starship computer.

1) she lives with her alcoholic dad that treats her like shit.

2) Threatens to kick her out if she doesn't have her half.

3) this morning she tells me I can come over while her dad is at work.

When does dad come back. When you are undressed? How quick can you tele transport yourself to your car, while your keys are in your pocket on her bedroom floor?

Please reroute power to the main brain. Engage