"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[HollywoodGuy]

Busy busy last couple of days. Also in keeping with the spirit of the thread no bragging / notch pics. I have been casually dating 2 absolute non-pros that were both pot sb's for a few months. All visits are about $200 per 24 hour day. Both girls know about the other one and agreed to share me for the time being with a set schedule. Both say they love me and both are real gf relationships that evolve around non-stop touching and I love you's.

I have not been in any gf relationship in 3 years. Only per date or strict sb / sd arrangements where falling in love was not on my menu. Both these girls are 100% exclusive to me. So all uncoverd all the time. 23 and 25. One from africa the other armenia. Both 5. 7 115 lbs. Real lookers I can take anywhere. Both have jobs and their own cars. The armenian drives a new bmw. So she gets to do all the driving. Also hired the armenian to work for me and she says that is the only money she wants (we'll see how far that goes)

Today one got a little jealous of the other but got over it in about 4 hours. Did both of them today and still kept my date with a sometime repeater that gives good everything. Haha. Hopefully tomorrow I can focus on work to pay for all this insanity.

[Golfcart]

I have a pot international SB that lives outside of the country. She wants to come visit me. She will pay to get herself here if I will simply provide sugar for the amount of her ticket at the end of her visit. She is hurting for money. Basically she is just requesting a free holiday in the USA. She might even visit some family or hook up with another SD after me. She told me this up front.

That my man is intellectual honesty!

SubCmdr out!

Not exactly. SubCmdr's girl is being totally honest how things will transpire. Good that SubCmdr is told upfront he will be paying for the flight and some other guy will likely pork her while she is in country and he (the other guy) won't be contributing to the cost of the flight. That's honesty. That's not intellectual honesty. Intellectual honesty is all about problem solving.

Consider problem solving in a way that balances all possible solutions. The solution chosen is the best solution using unbiased logic. The deck is not stacked in the thought process that favors one solution over another in other words. An unbiased process is being intellectually honest. Or so I think.

[John G Smith]

A couple of months ago, I posted that I sent this pot SB some money to move out of a bad situation even though I had never met her. It was a gamble but she was a cute petite little thing and clearly was new at this. Well a couple of weeks after I sent her the money, she just dropped out of contact completely. She stopped responding to txts and emails altogether.

I pretty much wrote off the money I sent her as a loss, but I noticed her profile appeared again on the SA sites, so I decided to send one more email. A wrote a pretty strong email to make her feel a little guilty about disappearing but I was careful not to be too bitter / angry so I wouldn't completely burn the bridge. This time she finally responded and was extremely apologetic. Furthermore she said she was ready to finally meet and start the arrangement (I wasn't asking for this in my email).

I'm obviously cautious but she offered to send some naughty pics / vids of her to convince me she's ready.

If I were to guess, I think she had a sugar daddy or two when she was off the radar. She seems much more comfortable with "putting out" in a SD / SB relationship.

So we'll see how the next week goes, but if it goes well I may bring her in to the stable. She has the body type I like and doesn't live too far away. I'll call her "Petite SB."

And as for the "6/6 SB", I never bothered to get tested (honestly I just didn't have the time). But this week she dropped that requirement and we can get down with covers without me having to take a test. I guess she finally got desperate since I basically refused to see her until that was sorted out. Still, she lives farther away than I like, so we'll see.

Assuming Petite SB isn't trying to scam me again, I might move her to my number one slot. The lesson here is that you never know when the Future's Market can pay off. Just because it doesn't pay off right away, don't burn the bridges. Give yourself the flexibility to keep sending feelers for at least 6 months down the line.

[SubCmdr]

A gentleman would have responded with accommodation, possibly with silence. Either one would have left the door open. Mean-spirited people lack this capacity. It isn't in them. They must win. Such is the lot of FeelGoodMD's first and favorite SB.

Since intellectual honesty has become the phrase de jure I mention it is intellectually dishonest to hold pay-for-play women in a light different from us. Tell-tale signs of this flaw are evident in posts board-wide quite often. This is something I've never understood.

I have a pot international SB that lives outside of the country. She wants to come visit me. She will pay to get herself here if I will simply provide sugar for the amount of her ticket at the end of her visit. She is hurting for money. Basically she is just requesting a free holiday in the USA. She might even visit some family or hook up with another SD after me. She told me this up front.

That my man is intellectual honesty!

SubCmdr out!

[Hernando]

OK SubCmdr, here's the rate in all but nova area of Va. Escorts charge $200-400 / hr, excluding the GPS Pros. (remember Gov Spitzer at $5000 / hr ). CL and BP girls break it down by 15 minute segments and can charge $50- 150 / session (< hour ). SWs charge $20-50 per blow or quick in and out (so to speak ). The sky is the limit with GPS girls who think their pussy is different from every one else's. We all know that they are pretty much the same. The difference lies in the emotional desires that the SD has in order to get a certain level of attention and personality they are looking for. My SB I totally adored and treated me like a king only asked for $300 / session, which was usually 12 hours at least. I was able to see her twice / week so she banked a serious amount of money from the repeat visits. So she was smart in not being greedy and made a lot more than a GPS who struggled to land a sucker for the big score occasionally. A prior SB was a Nando 1 and got $100 / overnight, but the service was not nearly as reliable or satisfying. Anyone charging by the hour is an out and escort and should be looked at as such. A true SB in my opinion should expect a flat fee for an extended relationship.

[SubCmdr]

A gentleman would have responded with accommodation, possibly with silence. Either one would have left the door open. Mean-spirited people lack this capacity. It isn't in them. They must win. Such is the lot of FeelGoodMD's first and favorite SB.

Since intellectual honesty has become the phrase de jure I mention it is intellectually dishonest to hold pay-for-play women in a light different from us. Tell-tale signs of this flaw are evident in posts board-wide quite often. This is something I've never understood.

A sugar baby would have asked for her expenses for travel to be covered. A garden tool wants to be paid to travel. FeelGoodMD's sugar baby decided to renegotiate the arrangement effectively requesting a increase in sugar amount above and beyond her travel costs. She was the one engaged in intellectual dishonestly. And in the end decided what she really was and what was really important to her.

The good Dr simply gave to her straight no chase. Looked her straight in her face and just told her like is!

SubCmdr Out.

P. S. Don't hate the player hate the game. Our greater society has written the rules, not me.

[Golfcart]

I've considered and reconsidered this post before sending it.

FeelGoodMD has what he calls his first and favorite SB. This speaks volumes considering what happened.

She moved away to attend grad school. He should want that for her. With the territory came a new set of income and expense needs including being 6 hours, 300 miles round trip from home. At some point she returned home to attend a family wedding. They played and he gave her the usual.

The amount of "the usual" was not disclosed.

There was to be a second trip just to see him. His words not mine. Kudos that without being asked he offered to give her the usual plus $. She countered $$ extra saying,"I need the usual plus $$ to come down."

This is where things went south. Deciding to burn the bridge (as he termed it) he sent her the most demeaning and mean-spirited message of all, his words, not mine.

Sugar Babies accept gifts, prostitutes set prices. Before you text me back, you need to decide which you are.

A gentleman would have responded with accommodation, possibly with silence. Either one would have left the door open. Mean-spirited people lack this capacity. It isn't in them. They must win. Such is the lot of FeelGoodMD's first and favorite SB.

Since intellectual honesty has become the phrase de jure I mention it is intellectually dishonest to hold pay-for-play women in a light different from us. Tell-tale signs of this flaw are evident in posts board-wide quite often. This is something I've never understood.

[EuroInCincy]

Although I'm not actively "looking" right now,

Long story short: She wanted money upfront to "secure" her travel.

Just another cautionary tale, gents, of what lurks for the unsuspecting, even on SA.

Stay safe,

Joe

It is always fun to get a request for gas $. Luckily I have my trusted starship onboard computer to calculate how much $ they need for a certain trip, and when my computer tells me that a mere 5 gallons should get them to my planets location, yet they ask for a 50 gallon transfer of currency, it is safe to say steer 180 degree, warp speed 5. The other point which this indicates, if they really need gas $, they are on there last dime and the next request will be. $ for cell phones. $ for rent which is 2 months late. Through the years I found out that the long term ones are the ones who don't ask for anything. But yes it teas sometimes 4. 6 months of galaxy exploration. Meeting many short term landings. BUT it is the long term ones whom make the travel worth it.

Engage

[JoesParty]

Although I'm not actively "looking" right now, I like to fire up the SA account when I'm bored to see what's new. Found a sexy looking 20-something and added her to my favorites for contact at a later time. As is sometimes the case, she was online and received notification of my action, and she sent me an e-mail through the site with her phone number. I sent her a text, not quite knowing what to expect.

I wasn't expecting anything because I wasn't looking for anything. But she clearly wanted to meet ASAP. She suggested a hotel and asked if I liked toys. When the discussion turned to how "generous" I was, I knew I was dealing with a garden tool with Internet access. Although I had no intention of meeting her at that point, I decided to see just how far she would push it.

Long story short: She wanted money upfront to "secure" her travel. The conversation was a little schizophrenic, but I think she was asking me to load money on a prepaid debit card for her so she could buy gas to drive to my area. I never do this for anyone, let alone anyone I've never met. I suggested we pick another time when she doesn't need money up front. I wasn't surprised when I didn't hear back from her.

Just another cautionary tale, gents, of what lurks for the unsuspecting, even on SA.

Stay safe,

Joe

[EuroInCincy]

Fellow brothers-in-pussy,

I'd be interested in a market survey of the local costs for SB's in each area. I don't know if that would be too revealing from a privacy stand point? Or if it would be considered a invasion of privacy of the SB / SD relationship? But I'm curious.

Exactly what is GPS? Is there a SB market? Or is there just pussy you can afford and pussy that you cannot?

SubCmdr out

I have had a few meet & greet where it turned out to be GPS, like the one who expected $15, 000 to go gambling, which was a sure triple your $, to the one who sent me an intro email, with typos and grammar expecting $10, 000 / mo for 1- 2 meets / week depending on her schedule.

There were the shorter terms ones, which lasted a few times at $ to $$/visit.

There were the divorced ones who during the M&G pretty much jump the command center and begged to have more tours but they really drained the warp drive, so I used a different star route to navigate to other worlds.

Then there were the ones who were long term, who varied from $/month to even less, and this for frequent meetings.

I feel that once you get rid of the GPS vessels, the ones who are compatible with your warp engine rarely ask for anything more than a friendly hail, a subspace message, a quick trip to the replicator for food and some energy tapped from the warp core, and they last for many many months.

Onwards to explore new worlds. Warp 4

[WoodSlinger]

These type of discussions entertain me. I have my own demons and privacy, Sig Other reasons that I keep a low profile with the girls I talk to. I play on BP, the streets here are full of quality garden tools that will blow and swallow for $30. However, The sugar bowl is much more interesting to me. Finding that first time SB is a reward that trumps the random one night stands of yester year.

You guys certainly keep me coming back for more.

WS out.

I don't log into this forum to read about love stories. I log in to read the latest fuck story or how the latest attempt to fuck went wrong.

What's wrong with the sexcapade stories?

Let's see. The Forum has taken an interesting turn of late.

I've read:

A post disparaging those who make 'notching' posts.

A post that says: I pay women to fuck me; I'm honest; I prefer not to lie; and I am married.

A post from a married SD's who states that posting pictures violates the SD / SB arrangement. Makes me say hmmm. As I wonder aloud what he thinks of his original arrangement. Yeah, the one that he made with his wife. LOL.

Seriously Gentlemen. Have we become so enamored with our sugar baby pursuits as to forget that what we are really doing is asking 'regular' women to become our personal ho's?

I understand that we all need to engage in a certain amount of rationalization to get though life. But do we have to do it here? In this Forum? Where we use the euphemism of 'Sugar Baby' and 'Sugar Daddy' to sweeten the bitter reality of what we are all doing?

I read some very practical reasons why photos are not posted in this Forum. But I've also read some outrageous ones that border on complete delusion. Like the posts proclaiming the higher nature of the Sugar Baby / Sugar Daddy relationship. Posts that show concern for the poor sugar baby that might be outed someday. (Ask Hernando if not posting a picture helped with that). Concern that we might loose access to some pussy that we are paying for. LOL I cannot even keep a straight face while I write this. And find myself rolling on the floor laughing when I read such things.

Am I missing something here? As they say in talk radio: 'I'll take my answer off the air'

SubCmdr out!

[SubCmdr]

Fellow brothers-in-pussy,

I'd be interested in a market survey of the local costs for SB's in each area. I don't know if that would be too revealing from a privacy stand point? Or if it would be considered a invasion of privacy of the SB / SD relationship? But I'm curious.

If you are hammer, every problem is a nail. And if you are a gun, every problem is a target. I'm a market guy and I see the sugar world as a transactional sex market. And if it is a market then there are bid and ask prices. And there are certain market factors in each geographical area that are going to effect these bid and ask prices. Also, each SD and SB chooses the a market segment they wish to operate within. Is my view of this world a over simplification?

I know that I offer very low sugar amounts. My philosophy is that if you are not a professional, then you are not going to get paid like one. If you are a true non-pro then you should be simply getting a gift for something you give away for free in your personal life. As such, I look at escort prices and set my sugar amounts accordingly.

In fact, I had a SB tell me,"My girlfriend who is on this site says she gets 1K a meet. Your offer is less than what BP girls get." Wow! Go be a BP girl! Who pays 1K a meeting for pussy? Really? Pussy that you are not married to? Is pussy really worth that much? Even if I had that kind of money (which I don't) I don't see myself giving it up for some pussy.

Exactly what is GPS? Is there a SB market? Or is there just pussy you can afford and pussy that you cannot?

SubCmdr out

[Dog Rice]

I have been "swimming" inside the sugar bowl for a week now, and would like to share some of my personal opinion:

- Thanks for this thread and many of you's great advices.

- Most of the pots (95%+) are expecting escort's treatment or higher especially w / sugar amount (excluding GPS)

- Most of the pots do not give a "fu? K" about chemistry, and SB / SD relationship. Pretty much Prostitution mindset.

- Lot of time, but not much return. (Experience is part of the fun)

- If I see a Nando#1 especially without job, I should just run and don't look back.

Given that I refuse to pay escort amount and rules (e. G, time on a date) [Thanks for the advices from Cmdr], I am just not getting much luck. Anyway, going to slow down on the search and hybrid back into escort world for a while.

Just my personal opinion. If you don't agree, I am happy to hear it but please don't stab me.

[EuroInCincy]

Wow I have been busy with wordly pleasures and not been able to dive into the personal journals here. Is it election time or so that we have to discuss morals, posting or not posting pictures.

Gee I thought that the fact that I reached the point where I can have my play mate (aka a sugar baby, or personable ho, or affair or space craft or vessel. Who cares) reach a climax by just talking to her. By taking her on the journey, with just holding her hand and getting her into warp speed with just words and whispers and then to climax is just a show how much a play mate can be into you.

Hope you all enjoyed your last days as much as I did, and yes my long and short range sensors are overloaded with incoming space craft, any local traffic controllers who can take some load of me?

[John G Smith]

What's ironic is that on another forum on this site, I've been in a debate trying to encourage more members to post intel / info on Pros who advertise in BP / CL. And I'm getting yelled at for not being secretive enough. LOL.

Anyway, I have no hard feelings here. I enjoy a healthy debate / argument. It's nice to see other perspectives even if I don't agree with them and they don't agree with me. Can always learn something.

Anyway a few things and I'm just speaking for myself. Don't take my comments as representing this forum, they just represent me.

I've always been a shades of grey type of person rather than seeing things in black and white. For example, I don't see every type of girl in this lifestyle as a singular type of garden tool to dig in the dirt. Mainly because I'm not always looking to dig holes. Sometimes I want to do a bit of sanding, so a garden hoe would be inadequate for the job.

To take it to the real world, when I'm looking for a quality sugar baby I'm not simply looking for a young lady to drill for cheap. That can be accomplished easy enough through BP. I'm not looking to get e-involved, but I am looking to have somewhat of a friendship connection and to have someone who I can chat / txt with regularly beyond the FC. I'm looking for something of a traditional "mistress". That's my personal reasons for chasing sugar babies.

Look I know a sugar baby is ultimately there for my money and I'm ultimately there for her body. But unlike with an escort, I may know some of her personal info and what she's going through and etc. And she has some level of respect for me even if there's little attraction. A BP / CL garden tool doesn't need to respect you for shit. You could weigh 300 pounds and work as a sign twirler and she'll still bang you for 15 min if you got 80 bucks. Most sugar babies aren't hardened to that point yet and still have some gag reflexes.

Heck, just recently I had 3 sugar babies reject me because of my looks. I had financial details all arranged perfectly and we were good to go. But I delayed on sending my picture so when I did send it, I got flat out rejected and never heard from them again. My money was good enough for them, but apparently my face or race wasn't. (And I'm not a bad looking guy!)

Granted some sugar babies are less picky, just want to do the deed, and get paid. Those do fall into the garden tool variety. I sometimes have a couple of those girls on the side, but that's not primarily what I'm looking for with sugar babies. Remember I gave my ISBE rating system a few weeks ago. Everyone's ISBE will be a little different.

I don't think any one type is better than another. It just depends on what you're looking for. There's no "higher" calling. Just a "different" calling. Though I always got the vibe that this particular sub-forum is generally composed of guys who are looking for more mid / long term sugar baby relationships, not random hookups. So if you're looking for longer term arrangements, of course you're going to be more careful about posting pics and such because there's just an inherent personal connection when you see someone regularly for at least several months.

As for the lying / honesty discussion, most of us here are all hypocrites to a degree. But again, I'm a shades of gray person. Just because I ended up lying in one situation, doesn't mean I'm branded a liar for all time and obligated to lie / disrespect others until my dying days. Sometimes I'm a gentlemen, sometimes I'm an asshole. I strive to be the former more often than not, but hey shit happens. On the whole though, I try to treat everyone with respect.