"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[SubCmdr]

Port of Call San Diego. Back at the Headquarters for West Coast Operations (HWCO). Reports continue that the waters off the coast of southern Cali remain a target rich environment. And I'm happy to report. It's true.

Start my trip out with a visit from my old West Coast ATF. I had fronted her some sugar in good faith. She came over and made good on her debt. But it was a quick and effortless performance with excuses that she had just come from class and had to go because of a early day at work. I was disappointed. She seemed to treat it more as in obligation. I decided it was time to move on.

I had several targets in my sights when I hit upon a new profile that caused me to bruise my knees on the ground hoping that she would give me a response. I received the response I hoped for and immediately began tracking. Email traffic lead to prompt scheduling of a meeting.

Pretty face, right age, right height, well proportioned body, nice legs. She is fucking hot. Great attitude! Perfect in every way for me. I could not have done any better if I ordered her out of a catalog! So far I've only found one defect. She smokes. But not around me and she doesn't smoke much.

She is a sexual animal. She puts some work in. But best of all she puts the time in. First meeting ended with us accidently falling asleep in each other arms. Waking up startled, we got dressed hit the road and I got her home just a hour before she had to be at work. Before the second meeting I sexted her with what I wanted her to wear and why. She showed up dressed perfectly. The evening started with dinner and ended with Brunch in the early afternoon hours the next day. Seems like we made a connection and it appears to be working for both of us. It's nice. It's comfortable. I've found my new ATF. I'm ready to leave my wife and move to the West Coast.

The Cmdr is sprung on the Kat!

SubCmdr Out

[SubCmdr]

Corresponding with a pot SB. She is 18, brunette, a student and hot. But she lives at home and she wants me to come pick her up at her parents house. So, I'm very uncomfortable with this scenario. Smells like swine may be in the area. I put her through the verbal rigors trying qualify her as legit. Eventually she gives me her address. I check it out and I'm comfortable with it. Then went into negotiations. She gives me $500. I say $100. She says $400 final offer. I say no. She comes back with 'I like you' $300. I say $300 no time limit. She agrees. She is hot. I am horny. As I continue negotiations with other Pot SB's I realize I've made a bad deal for the area she is in. So I cancel our meeting. She asks why. I say her request is too high.

After about a week she hits me back up and tells me she has a friend that willing to see me for $. Ask her if she is running a stable. She says no just trying to help out a friend who needs money. I tell her to send me a picture of her friend she does. Her friend is 19, student, blonde and hot. Brunette tells me Blonde wants to do a threesome because she have never done this before and would feel more comfortable having her there. I tell Brunette no. I'm not doing a threesome with two women I don't know unless it is free. Blonde does not get to take a friend with her on her first day of work. So, I say have your friend get in touch with me directly. She does. We chat. And set up a time to meet.

Show up for the meet and both Blonde and Brunette is there. This is a little strange. Brunette introduces Blonde. All three of us greet. Brunette is hot. But Blonde has that white trash, meth head tweeker look. She is a little then for my tastes and Blonde hops into the car and off we go to the notel. During the ride to the notel we have a little conversation. She tells me she has had only one boyfriend. And she does not usually do this. I said 'You don't usually have sex. ' She says no 'I don't usually have sex with random men for money. ' I said 'Oh, are you good with this. ' Her response I need the money. I'm just not getting a good feeling from Blonde. So, before I go get the room I ask her again, 'Are you really ok with this. She says, no. I want my money up front. I tell 'No, if you want your money up front that makes you a prostitute. And I don't roll with prostitutes. ' She says, 'You are not paying much money so I'll fuck you but nothing else. I'm not going to suck your dick or give you any foreplay. I'm going to just get undressed and let you fuck me. That's it. ' I'm like 'Wait a second. Your friend told me that was the amount you were seeking. I just agreed to it. What we have here is a failure to communicate. ' What I was thinking to myself is 'Girl, you just been pimped! ' I tell her this is not going to work so I'll take her back to the pick up point. She gets on her cell phone and calls Brunette. Blonde is upset tell her friend she is on the way back. When I arrived at the original meeting spot Brunette was waiting there. She came over to the driver's side of my car. I rolled down the window. We started talking. She is not happy that I'm not getting with her friend. I explain that we had a miscommunication. Then she pisses me off. Brunette says that I'm ripping Blonde off. I told Brunette that she shouldn't be 'pimping her friend out. '

Next thing I know Brunette fires off a snap right hook that catches me solidly on my left cheek. Damn, the Cmdr is under attack. This is fucked up. I throw I open hand blow through the car door window that catches Brunette dead center of mass in her solar plexis. Brunette is down! I look over at Blonde who is still in the car. She looks like a dear caught in the headlights. I scream 'GET THE FUCK OUT MY CAR! '. Blonde starts to get out. I'm rolling up my driver's side window when Brunette plasters herself against my window like something out of a horror movie. She is screaming, 'I'll fuck you up. I'll fuck your car up. How you going to explain that to your wife? You cheating mother fucker! ' Wow! This situation is going downhill fast. Blonde finally gets out of my car. I reach over and shut the passenger door. I put my car into reverse and start backing up. Brunette hits my car again and screams 'Tell your wife hello for me you old cheating fuck! ' I drop the car into drive and burn rubber out of there.

I let my guard down and got jumped by a couple of garden tools. All this occurred, in a town house complex, in a suburb, in the middle of the day. No harm, no foul. But I think you can see how things could have gone horribly wrong. I made several tactical errors and one big strategic one. I hope others can learn from them.

[John G Smith]

Well sites like SA are promoting more and more to SBs that if they join their site, that some rich guy will pay them 3-5k grand a month to be their arm-candy and go on lavish vacations, and etc. It's how they attract SBs to sign-up. Also sugar daddy sites have been in the news more and more lately, which of course promote the stories of very wealthy SDs giving college girls the life of luxury.

That said, while there is an influx of SBs with GPS, only a small minority of girls on those sites actually land a big fish. Given enough time the vast majority of other girls will either settle for less or just decide they don't need the money that bad and quit looking for a SD altogether.

Just remember unlike any other dating site like Match. Com or OKCupid, with SD sites the numbers are on our side. The guys are the hot commodity. If a SB tries to corner you with an upfront payment, just walk away if it's something you're not comfortable doing. There are plenty more SBs out there. And if there isn't a SB today, there will probably be one tomorrow or maybe next week. Every single guy on this forum who has used a SD site has gotten laid at least once, so that should tell you just how much is out there. I'm actually trying to be more picky myself because it's just too easy to overdose on whatever ends up in your inbox if you're not careful. I'm trying to go for quality instead of quantity.

I do sympathize though. It's always frustrating to spend time corresponding with a pot SB just to have everything crash down in the final negotiation when financials are being hammered out. It's why I've mentioned before I'm always a big believer in doing the vast majority of the financial discussion prior to the first meeting. It doesn't mean you have to finalize every single detail of the arrangement prior to the M&G, but you get the meat and potatoes out of the way so you don't end up wasting your time and gas money on a unexpected GPS.

Looks like a lot of us had a rough week (mine started off bad, but it ended good). Hopefully this is just a minor blip and soon we'll all have excellent tales to share of our successful SB adventures.

[JoesParty]

My brothers,

Despite my statement, just a few days ago, that I was a one-woman SD, I've been tempted by recent e-mails and winks on SA. Yes, I still have my 18yo HYB, and she's great. ATF is in the picture, but for all intents and purposes, we're done; she sees me mainly as an ATM now, and my CPO has skyrocketed lately. But I'm starting to realize that, as long as I'm in this game, I'm not really a one-woman man. Plus, you never know when one will disappear on you, or when you might have to cut one loose yourself.

Pot1 says she is 43, and from the looks of her pic, she's one hot MILF. Divorced with kids (not sure how many) and lives about 30 minutes from me. We talked on the phone a couple days ago after I gave her my number. She says she has a steady job, and she doesn't sound psycho. Still, she's a little too eager to meet, so we agreed to dinner next week to see where things go. She suggested going straight to a hotel, but I'm a bit too cautious to try that. We can always end up there if dinner goes well. Says her needs are modest and that we can 'talk about it in person. ' I suspect she'll ask for more than I'm willing to give, but we'll see. Dinner scheduled for Monday.

Pot2 is a 32yo separated woman who lives about an hour and a half from me. A bit far for my tastes, but she said up front she's willing to travel. We were having a nice e-mail exchange, but she suddenly cut off contact yesterday. I suspect my statement along the lines of 'I'm happy to help out from time to time but cannot be your entire source of support' rubbed her the wrong way. She was all business from the first contact, so I'm not sorry to see her go. I felt as if I needed to be clear about my expectations, and she apparently feels I'm not right for her.

Pot3 is another 18yo student. I thought she was local, but turns out she goes to college far, far away. But she says she returns home regularly. Might be a good possibility for an occasional FC visit with very few, if any, strings attached. Told her to contact me when she's coming back to town; we'll see.

Pot4 is a 27 hottie who texted me within a few hours of my making contact. She was easy to converse with and seems to have a stable job and life. Looks like your attractive girl-next-door type. She was eager to meet (as was I) , but our schedules haven't synced. Having not heard from her in a few days, I'm pessimistic it'll happen. I plan to re-try contact later in the week.

Pot5 is a 21yo mocha HYB who is all about the sugar bowl. I get the impression that, if she hasn't done this before, she's at least done her reading on what to expect. I am wary she may suffer from GPS, but our discussions haven't turned to specifics yet. She suggested a lunch meeting because she 'doesn't like meeting strangers during the day. ' OK, I guess. We're trying to set a day for lunch next week. Only one pic on her profile, which is hot, but doesn't include her face. Couldn't send me any more because she 'just got a new phone. ' Potential red flags abound, so I'll proceed with defenses at their highest levels.

Obviously, I can't keep them all at the same time, but what I'm really looking for anyway is to expand my little black book a bit, so that I have someone to call when the need arises. I suspect at least a couple of these Pots will be ok with that. Time will tell. It's going to be a busy next couple of weeks.

Keep on writing,

Joe

[SubCmdr]

Gee I think you need to call the CDC, this seems like a GPS epidemic.

GPS epidemic indeed! 32 year old pot SB off of SA won't accept my sugar offer. Says she has a girlfriend on the site in the same area that gets 1K a meet and since her SD could not meet her request of 5K a month she is now seeking additional SD's. Wow! Is it airborne or in the water.

Not to fret. A 33 year old MILF took my offer twice last week and should be taking it again tonight. And a nice 23 year old took my offer without any up front discussion of sugar.

The best Rx for GPS is to ignore. As I have said before: Keep your total CPO low!

The Cmdr be counting ALL dem digits because his pockets ain't fat.

SubCmdr out

[Golfcart]

My adorable HCB with whom I have had a regular affair for 1 1/2 years got a phone call at her work place from my W, who also talked to her boss, and also left a message on her parents VM about her seeing a married man. This slash and burn effort appears to have sunk my relationship which was the intended result. Talk about a dirty play, to hurt a young girl so deeply.

Nothing comes as a surprise once the wife has the knowledge she needs to contact others. In terms of intellectual honesty the wife was hurt and lashed out. This is what people do, particularly women. The wife may not be done with this.

The moral of the story is don't get emotionally attached to a SB or don't play around at all as a married man. Also, be careful what you expose your SB to if you are married. Perhaps they shouldn't play in this arena with married men on the side. If they are young and inexperienced then they are vulnerable.

In terms of intellectual honesty the moral to the story includes married men have greater risks than unmarried babies; married men expecting to keep the lid on something like this for 1 1/2 years is asking a lot. Keeping the lid on for three weeks was asking a lot. Things have a habit of adding up when we're watched closer than we realize.

This situation could have happened in reverse. The SB will screw the pooch when her needs are not being met just as quickly, with much less to lose, which to a woman means when she is rejected.

And, how can I ever consider re-establishing any sort of love relationship with a woman who would do this sort of thing?

Nando, you can't if you think you can't and you may not have the opportunity. When things are more settled the wife will be asking herself the same question. Women never forget. She knew much earlier and was in denial herself. That's how this works. She has as much anger directed toward herself as she does toward you.

Sorry.

[HollywoodGuy]

[QUOTE=AllSeasonLv; 1542627]I've been dabbling in the SD / SB thing since the first of the year and subsequently been reading and following the exploits in everyone's reports / responses here. This is my first time posting so bear with me.

I've read conflicting reports about when it might be appropriate to "advance" substantial sugar (not just gas / babysitter money) before one receives any sugar. Here's my story.

I never pay in advance of a real interview. I used to do that in the beginning many years ago. Would not consider that now. And I probably do miss out on a few nice ones. And there are exceptions to every rule. But very few.

[AOneFred7734]

first, welcome to the forum all season. I'm not a vet myself, so it's always nice to see new members show up.

I believe i had a very similar experience with the exact same sb a few months ago. No public pictures, sent them to my shadow email, stunning mixed race woman, emailed for a week or so before setting up a meet, and the night before she emails to ask for $1200 to pay her tuition.

My email reply was: "this isn't going to work out between us, (name). Good luck." i never heard back from her either.

I'll add to the unanimous verdict that you did exactly the right thing!

Pay as you go!

[FeelGoodMd]

I've been dabbling in the SD / SB thing since the first of the year and subsequently been reading and following the exploits in everyone's reports / responses here. This is my first time posting so bear with me.

She wouldn't post pics on the site but after giving her my shadow email account, she sent pics to me there. Stunning is the only word for her. She is of mixed race with the best possible DNA combination she could have hoped for. Remember our first Miss America of color who was later stripped of her title? That was this POT SB but 26yo. And, a killer body. She is a student who had just moved to RVA to pursue a masters degree. Or at least that was her story. But it made sense since her SA profile listed her as being in Raleigh. Her response to my question of what were her expectations if we had some chemistry and wanted to start an arrangement was that her needs were modest. Just a little help now and then when things that were unexpected popped up. No talk of an allowance or what she might want per meeting. Just the type of situation I was looking for. So we set a date and time for our meet and greet with the idea of maybe $ for her to cover gas and to show a little good faith. The morning of our lunch day I get an email wondering if I could "advance" her $1800 so she could get her car out of the shop. She even said she wouldn't ask for anything for awhile, implying that it would go toward many future meetings. I responded by telling her that I wasn't prepared to assist her with that much and she needed to look for someone with a lot more disposable income and a more trusting nature. Never heard back from her.

First, welcome to the forum All Season. I'm not a vet myself, so it's always nice to see new members show up.

I believe I had a very similar experience with the exact same SB a few months ago. No public pictures, sent them to my shadow email, stunning mixed race woman, emailed for a week or so before setting up a meet, and the night before she emails to ask for $1200 to pay her tuition.

My email reply was: "This isn't going to work out between us, (name). Good luck." I never heard back from her either.

I'll add to the unanimous verdict that you did exactly the right thing!

[EuroInCincy]

So I ask you. Here I was, presented with what looked to me to be the potential for a perfect situation with a gorgeous girl and she steps up and asks for a LOT of scratch. Would anyone out there have taken a chance with this total stranger? Please tell me I did the right thing.

The right thing to do was like I did once. Say yes. Then drive to a toy store, get a monopoly game and had her the $$$$ in monopoly.

It worked for me.

Gee I think you ned to call the CDC, this seems like a GPS epidemic. Boy am I happy with my young one, in the past 6 months. Some coffee, some fruit, a corset 2 pairs of heels, and lot of thanks for teaching her new things, like climaxing on command, without touching.

[AliasSM]

I've been dabbling in the SD / SB thing since the first of the year and subsequently been reading and following the exploits in everyone's reports / responses here. This is my first time posting so bear with me.

I've read conflicting reports about when it might be appropriate to "advance" substantial sugar (not just gas / babysitter money) before one receives any sugar. Here's my story.

Met and cultivated a young lady from SA. She made the initial contact. She wouldn't post pics on the site but after giving her my shadow email account, she sent pics to me there. Stunning is the only word for her. She is of mixed race with the best possible DNA combination she could have hoped for. Remember our first Miss America of color who was later stripped of her title? That was this POT SB but 26yo. And, a killer body. She is a student who had just moved to RVA to pursue a masters degree. Or at least that was her story. But it made sense since her SA profile listed her as being in Raleigh. So after a few email exchanges I ask if she would like to meet for lunch. We even spoke on the phone when I got tired of texting (hate those little keyboards!). Her response to my question of what were her expectations if we had some chemistry and wanted to start an arrangement was that her needs were modest. Just a little help now and then when things that were unexpected popped up. No talk of an allowance or what she might want per meeting. Just the type of situation I was looking for. So we set a date and time for our meet and greet with the idea of maybe $ for her to cover gas and to show a little good faith. The morning of our lunch day I get an email wondering if I could "advance" her $1800 so she could get her car out of the shop. She said it was a $4800 transmission replacement and she only had $3000. She had to have the "loaner" back that afternoon. She even said she wouldn't ask for anything for awhile, implying that it would go toward many future meetings. I responded by telling her that I wasn't prepared to assist her with that much and she needed to look for someone with a lot more disposable income and a more trusting nature. Never heard back from her.

So I ask you. Here I was, presented with what looked to me to be the potential for a perfect situation with a gorgeous girl and she steps up and asks for a LOT of scratch. Would anyone out there have taken a chance with this total stranger? Please tell me I did the right thing.

Don't you hate messages like that. What a way to ruin a potentially good relationship. Since I've been playing in the SB arena, I've been asked for $$$$$ up front by one SB, asked for help with renting a new place from another that was just kicked out of her parent's house, asked for help getting utilities turned back on, asked for help with a cell phone bill then payment for an on-line shopping spree, and asked for money to buy a new cell (ex boyfriend stole it). I have not contributed to any of the above requests except to pay a $95 cell bill, which later did pay off by an eventual trip to the FC. All of these SBs had been seen by me at least once before they made the request. $1800 is a ridiculous amount to pay out, even if it had been a long term arrangement, I would never pay out that much sugar in hopes of ever seeing it (or her) again. If you had paid this out, it would have only been the beginning of many many more such requests and you would likely have never seen the inside of a FC with her anyway. Run. Don't walk away as fast as possible.

[Zomby]

So I ask you. Here I was, presented with what looked to me to be the potential for a perfect situation with a gorgeous girl and she steps up and asks for a LOT of scratch. Would anyone out there have taken a chance with this total stranger? Please tell me I did the right thing.

As others have said, you bloody well did the only possible thing in that situation. If you haven't heard from her at all after that very polite, well worded, completely reasonable response, it was likely a scam. Even if she really did have a car repair bill, it doesn't sound like you were in a position to do much about it.

/z

[SubCmdr]

Wow! Are the SD's in this Forum having a bad week or what?

AllSeasonLv,

You did the right thing! 1800 in advance. GTF! My Southern Belle SB just asked me for $$$$$ cause she was short for a transmission repair. The answer was no. I told her "I'll spend that on us. But not on your car." And she is still talking to me.

Hernando,

Damn I am sorry to hear that man. I cringed when I read your story. Not to be disrespectful of your wife, but that is some straight up crap you would expect from a Nando1 except the other way around.

SubCmdr out

[Binder79]

Tiny eye (dot com) is your friend, If the Pics look that good, (TGTBT) search them on tiny eye. If she is a scammer, she is likley using stolen pics. Tiny eye finds the origonals. Always error on the side of caution.

I've read conflicting reports about when it might be appropriate to "advance" substantial sugar (not just gas / babysitter money) before one receives any sugar. Here's my story.

Met and cultivated a young lady from SA. She made the initial contact. She wouldn't post pics on the site but after giving her my shadow email account, she sent pics to me there. Stunning is the only word for her. She is of mixed race with the best possible DNA combination she could have hoped for. Remember our first Miss America of color who was later stripped of her title? That was this POT SB but 26yo. And, a killer body. She is a student who had just moved to RVA to pursue a masters degree. Or at least that was her story. But it made sense since her SA profile listed her as being in Raleigh. So after a few email exchanges I ask if she would like to meet for lunch. We even spoke on the phone when I got tired of texting (hate those little keyboards!). Her response to my question of what were her expectations if we had some chemistry and wanted to start an arrangement was that her needs were modest. Just a little help now and then when things that were unexpected popped up. No talk of an allowance or what she might want per meeting. Just the type of situation I was looking for. So we set a date and time for our meet and greet with the idea of maybe $ for her to cover gas and to show a little good faith. The morning of our lunch day I get an email wondering if I could "advance" her $1800 so she could get her car out of the shop. She said it was a $4800 transmission replacement and she only had $3000. She had to have the "loaner" back that afternoon. She even said she wouldn't ask for anything for awhile, implying that it would go toward many future meetings. I responded by telling her that I wasn't prepared to assist her with that much and she needed to look for someone with a lot more disposable income and a more trusting nature. Never heard back from her.

[AOneFred7734]

I've been dabbling in the SD / SB thing since the first of the year and subsequently been reading and following the exploits in everyone's reports / responses here. This is my first time posting so bear with me.

I've read conflicting reports about when it might be appropriate to "advance" substantial sugar (not just gas / babysitter money) before one receives any sugar. Here's my story.

Met and cultivated a young lady from SA. She made the initial contact. She wouldn't post pics on the site but after giving her my shadow email account, she sent pics to me there. Stunning is the only word for her. She is of mixed race with the best possible DNA combination she could have hoped for. Remember our first Miss America of color who was later stripped of her title? That was this POT SB but 26yo. And, a killer body. She is a student who had just moved to RVA to pursue a masters degree. Or at least that was her story. But it made sense since her SA profile listed her as being in Raleigh. So after a few email exchanges I ask if she would like to meet for lunch. We even spoke on the phone when I got tired of texting (hate those little keyboards!). Her response to my question of what were her expectations if we had some chemistry and wanted to start an arrangement was that her needs were modest. Just a little help now and then when things that were unexpected popped up. No talk of an allowance or what she might want per meeting. Just the type of situation I was looking for. So we set a date and time for our meet and greet with the idea of maybe $ for her to cover gas and to show a little good faith. The morning of our lunch day I get an email wondering if I could "advance" her $1800 so she could get her car out of the shop. She said it was a $4800 transmission replacement and she only had $3000. She had to have the "loaner" back that afternoon. She even said she wouldn't ask for anything for awhile, implying that it would go toward many future meetings. I responded by telling her that I wasn't prepared to assist her with that much and she needed to look for someone with a lot more disposable income and a more trusting nature. Never heard back from her.

So I ask you. Here I was, presented with what looked to me to be the potential for a perfect situation with a gorgeous girl and she steps up and asks for a LOT of scratch. Would anyone out there have taken a chance with this total stranger? Please tell me I did the right thing.

Take you money and run I've been to the sa site dot see much there yet but just how much $$$ are we talking?