"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Zomby** · 08-24-12 21:56

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Sub, I try to be like you, but part of me longs for the comfort of the same dock, the same port, time after time.

I read some of the stories on here about maintaining multiple SBs, and I am frankly astounded. I am going on three years with my single SB, with a very occasional foray into a massage parlor or strip club for the little variety I need. Finding, courting and maintaining multiples sounds like it might be a little more stressful than I want this to be. LOL. We get together for a few hours about every other week, sometimes a little longer, sometimes less, sometimes a little more often, sometimes a little less.

I'll freely admit that there's a *little* more than sugar and pussy between us after all this time, and sometimes our relationship seems a little surreal. I've met her parents, her kids and her boyfriend. I'm absolutely certain her mother knows what's going on, and her boyfriend has to suspect, but doesn't seem to object as long as nobody rubs his face in it. Knowing her (and I've known her longer than *he* has) , she's told him not to worry about it in reasonably forthright terms. She hasn't come right out and said so, but she's mentioned to me that he'd better not tell her what to do with *her* pussy. LOL.

She's half my age, and very participatory in the sack. She has her limits, but within those, she's enthusiastic and shameless. She's not afraid to ask for what she wants, and not afraid to try something she hasn't before just to try it. She's bi, and we've brought a couple of her friends into our bed on a few occasions, something her boyfriend has adamantly refused to do with her. I don't get that, but she doesn't seem to mind, as long as, like with me, he doesn't worry about it.

She also says that he and I are just about exact opposites. He's a powerhouse, and a multiple repeat performer, but not very imaginative, whereas I am slower and all about a variety of activities and sensations, but mostly a one and done kind of guy. She says I fuck more like a girl than a guy, which I find highly amusing, since in my opinion, she approaches sex more like a guy than a girl.

Anyway, I've enjoyed reading others' stories here, and I hope mine has provided some of the same entertainment I've gotten, even if it is somewhat mundane in comparison to those others.

/z

**F Scott** · 08-24-12 18:49

Gentlemen, and Mandy,

I promise I have not let my membership lapse, but have just been having the deuce of a time landing any hometown babies, so am a little chagrined that I have nothing to report. Oh, except a hat trick on the road last week! Hooray for me, and more on that later, but I sure wish I could get my local situation settled in a similar fashion. Nothing but frustration, aggravation and humiliation as far as new babies are concerned, though I have a promising hot married pot that I am meeting for the second time on Monday. My most recent infatuation, an 18 yo college baby, admitted that she was more captivated by the idea of an SD than the reality of one, and cut me loose in a very harsh manner, so a month of pursuit for me was down the tubes. As I have said many times, we must enjoy the process as much as the goal, but advice is always easier to give than to accept, and it is hard for me to accept the fact that I had game once, and now not so much. I suppose it's like starting an exercise regimen again after a long period lying fallow - one needs to work up to it gradually. Scottie is getting very cranky, however, and at this point is not speaking to me except in monosyllables, and few of them are suitable for mixed company.

All is not bleakness and despair, if I were being truthful. Brit is ringing the Booty Bell again, and I even got a naughty picture from her today that reminded me of why I like her so much. It was perfectly chaste and classy, except for the very high heels - classic Brit. She refernced our sailing lesson, which gave me a good hour's worth of pleasant mental images to remember. In addition, Polo's kids go back to school next week, (yay), so my riding lessons should resume soon. On top of this, since I am having dismal success with new babies, I am combing through my batphone list, and sending selected texts out to past babies for whom I hold a solid "fondness", so hopefully by this time next month I will have tales to share.

I am heartened by all the new and semi-new posters, and a little jealous of their successes, frankly. It has been 2 and a half months since my breakup with my ATF, and I can't honestly say I am over her just yet. I don't know if that will ever happen completely, so I am just trying to change all the painful triggers into positive ones. Nando, Magic and others, you will know what I'm saying. Sub, I try to be like you, but part of me longs for the comfort of the same dock, the same port, time after time. Not that I won't enjoy shore leave in an exotic locale from time to time, but I can't be on the hunt constantly. I admire your dedication! If she contacted me tonight, I would drop this all, but alas, despite what my hero, Jay Gatsby assures all us old sports, we apparently can't repeat the past. And so I beat on, a boat against the current etc.

I am rambling now, my brothers, so I will wrap it up. I have had many experiences, and will try to make sense of them in a way that will hopefully provide useful information to you all, but in the meantime,

keep up the good work, and don't forget to write!

Scott

**Boondock Saint** · 08-24-12 14:29

You guys are worth your weight in gold!

I'm not from Richmond. Boston. But stumbled on this group when browsing around and learned of SA.

Signed up and now getting some good responses. If they work out after the M&G, I will be sure to reward why'all with photos.

Just wanted to say thanks guys!

B. S.

**AliasSM** · 08-24-12 05:22

It will be good to have you back in full swing Mandy. The board is just not the same without you. Hope the Fall Semester is a good one for you and that it gives you the time to entertain your SDs and your faithful blog and USASG followers.

I know better than to try to keep your helpful guidance to myself through PMs instead of posts. You have much too much sage advice to even try to keep it to myself. Plus the rest of the board would excommunicate me from the tribe and vote me off the island. Plus, this brotherhood desperately needs your guidance at times! You can see from catching up on your posts how out-of-hand we can get and someone needs to reel us all into reality sometimes.

But wait. In reading back through some of your posts and blogs, I realize that you may be the one that needs to be reeled in.

Anyway, greetings and welcome back to the tribe.

Alias.

Originally Posted by SbabyBlog [View Original Post]

I know I've been quiet a lot this summer. But hey, between two SD's, a husband and an internship I've been a little busy. I just wanted to chime in and say your posts always make me smile and laugh. I'm anxiously awaiting the Fall quarter and the return of a "normal" schedule so I can carve out a little time to write on my blog and here.

And Alias. I'll make sure to PM you my thoughts from now on.

All the best!

Mandy

**SbabyBlog** · 08-23-12 21:26

I know I've been quiet a lot this summer. But hey, between two SD's, a husband and an internship I've been a little busy. I just wanted to chime in and say your posts always make me smile and laugh. I'm anxiously awaiting the Fall quarter and the return of a "normal" schedule so I can carve out a little time to write on my blog and here.

And Alias - I'll make sure to PM you my thoughts from now on.

All the best!

Mandy

**SubCmdr** · 08-23-12 11:05

Patrolling my normal waters again. Spotted a lovely 34 year old (yeah the 30 somethings work for me) 5'7", smoking body (athletic and thin) , and a nice set of headlamps. With her hair and make up she looked like a real life barbie doll. (I'm bruising my knees on the ground, raising my hands in the air and declaring that "God is indeed very very good to me") And although she is a working professional (real business as far as I know) she had a few tramp stamps to keep things interesting. Puerto Rican & African American mix. Very exotic look. Very shy at first. Only light kissing. Says it's to intimate. Fine, I can put her mouth to better use anyway. Great oral skills and can take some dick. Nipples that can put your eye out when she gets excited. Had to be careful around those. After the action, she spent an hour talking to me about her problems. GTF! The Cmdr does not do therapy.

Busted twice; once time for her; four hours; Said she was glad I'm tall and attractive. (Thanks for the complement sweetie) ; CPO on spec.

The Cmdr is back in the fight!

**Member #5055** · 08-23-12 10:48

I try to get the girls off SA to E-mail me to continue conversation. In my last week of SA I always send out a ton of invites, but warn them that my SA is expiring and to E-mail me.

This generally keeps me going to 1-2 months SA free!. Or until my next business trip when I need a new fishing ground and SA has to be renewed!

Originally Posted by JoesParty [View Original Post]

Not a lot of time, so I'll be brief. The futures contract in which I invested re: ATF appears to be paying off. Not the rate of return I had originally hoped, but she floated the idea of a weekend (or mid-week, as the case may eventually be) getaway, just the two of us. I have been dreaming of this for a year. We talked details last weekend while engaged in a vigorous romp around the hotel room.

In other news, my new HYB and I spent our first overnight last night. I literally cannot count the number of rounds we went. This girl is young, insanely hot, and cannot get enough. She likes it every which way, in every single hole, and was thrilled with the relatively modest sugar I gave her. Add to all of this that she still has another SD, so I am not 100% responsible for keeping her occupied (I haven't the time) and supported (I haven't the funds with ATF still on the payroll). I am waiting to see what is NOT perfect about her.

Finally, now that my month of SA membership has expired, I've been getting more than the usual amount of winks and messages. This time, though, with my hands so (literally) full, I've decided not to give into the temptation to renew. Joe = 1; SA = 0. Finally.

I'm glad to hear of so many other successes, too. Keep up the good work, gents.

Regards,

Joe

**JoesParty** · 08-22-12 12:20

Not a lot of time, so I'll be brief. The futures contract in which I invested re: ATF appears to be paying off. Not the rate of return I had originally hoped, but she floated the idea of a weekend (or mid-week, as the case may eventually be) getaway, just the two of us. I have been dreaming of this for a year. We talked details last weekend while engaged in a vigorous romp around the hotel room.

In other news, my new HYB and I spent our first overnight last night. I literally cannot count the number of rounds we went. This girl is young, insanely hot, and cannot get enough. She likes it every which way, in every single hole, and was thrilled with the relatively modest sugar I gave her. Add to all of this that she still has another SD, so I am not 100% responsible for keeping her occupied (I haven't the time) and supported (I haven't the funds with ATF still on the payroll). I am waiting to see what is NOT perfect about her.

Finally, now that my month of SA membership has expired, I've been getting more than the usual amount of winks and messages. This time, though, with my hands so (literally) full, I've decided not to give into the temptation to renew. Joe = 1; SA = 0. Finally.

I'm glad to hear of so many other successes, too. Keep up the good work, gents.

Regards,

Joe

**Zomby** · 08-20-12 19:05

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

Because I wanted the pussy SO BAD! I just went through an exercise where I tried to get an SB with GPS to come down to reasonable levels. Even going as far as trying to rationalize, both to myself and my fellow brothers, paying the inflated price she was asking.

As long as you saw the light and heard the horn before you hit those rocks, it's a learning experience, and no shame to you.

/z

**SubCmdr** · 08-20-12 10:13

Because I wanted the pussy SO BAD! I just went through an exercise where I tried to get an SB with GPS to come down to reasonable levels. Even going as far as trying to rationalize, both to myself and my fellow brothers, paying the inflated price she was asking.

I had entered the sex fog. The rarest and most dangerous of weather conditions that causes the eyes to glaze over and clouds judgment. It scrambles your instruments and prevents normal navigation. I was in real trouble. I sent out a SOS via PM to a few of my fellow brothers. They responded to my distress call and guided me out of the sex fog. I was ordered back to port. At headquarters a court of inquiry found me guilty of 'Failing to exercise good judgment' and becoming 'Sprung on the Kat'. I was sentenced to B slap and ordered to remain on shore until the effects of the sex fog wore off.

Gentlemen when it comes to the SB's are dealing with a commodity (Element P). Orifices that perform the same function presented to us in different packages. This is NOT a well regulated market. And it has been proven that we are not completely rational consumers IRL nor I doubt in this arena. But in the end we are the market. I think there is a much higher supply of Element P than there is demand. That is why Sex Prison was invented. Otherwise why would any of us voluntarily give up the freedom and get contractually locked down by one suppler of Element P.

Always check your six gentlemen. Even the Cmdr got sprung on the Kat!

**FeelGoodMd** · 08-19-12 10:12

Originally Posted by John G Smith [View Original Post]

This is why I prefer to hammer out most of the financial details and expectations before I even meet the SB. It provides early detection of the GPS disease since it makes sure we're in the same ballpark and we don't waste each other's time. My schedule is very tight so I just don't have time to go on a half-dozen M&G that never have the potential of going anywhere. Also there is a segment of SBs that use M&Gs as a way of getting free meals at nice restaurants with a string of SDs. So I like to weed out these SBs as well.

And when I do encounter a GPS over email / txt, I usually give them a quick economics lesson. I tell them a smart SD usually only spends 3-4% of his monthly income on his sugar activities (I know, I know many of us aren't very smart, haha). So if they want a 3-5k monthly allowance, they would need to find a true multi-millionaire that has enough disposable income which isn't tied up in assets. Of course these guys are out there, but the competition is fierce, they often expect model quality and can be very controlling to their SBs. And as soon as they get bored with the SB, they'll drop them as quickly as a hot iron. Then I sell them the appeal of having a small business man as a SD. I tell them how we can still make their life a lot easier by covering some major bills while they can still maintain their independence because we're not looking for a pet like some of the ultra rich SDs.

For new SBs and SBs who aren't exactly "model 10" in looks, this often begins to cure their GPS disease. Usually after a couple of weeks of not finding any realistic pot SDs who are going to pay them 60k a year just to meet twice a month, then they usually start contacting me again. Of course, there are some SBs who are capable of finding lucrative arrangements like that but the vast majority will not. Sometimes splashing some cold water of the hard reality on the SB will bring them down to earth with their expectations.

But us SDs have to keep our expectation in check too. If you're on a M&G with a model material girl or see a profile with photos of an aspiring model, then you have to know she very likely will expect 1-2K per month minimum. She's probably already attracted the attention of high-rollers (not just on SD sites but in real life too) , so if you just offer her a few hundred a month, she'll likely balk at it. Just as the girl next door shouldn't expect to get 60K per year just for being some guy's arm candy, A small business or professional SD shouldn't expect to give just 1. 0 per visit to a top model quality girl or playboy bunny. Know your market.

John, I tried to trim your quote down to only the "relevant" parts, but found that every word was relevant. Thanks for the great advice!

Still learning.

Dr. Feelgood

**John G Smith** · 08-17-12 21:35

This is why I prefer to hammer out most of the financial details and expectations before I even meet the SB. It provides early detection of the GPS disease since it makes sure we're in the same ballpark and we don't waste each other's time. My schedule is very tight so I just don't have time to go on a half-dozen M&G that never have the potential of going anywhere. Also there is a segment of SBs that use M&Gs as a way of getting free meals at nice restaurants with a string of SDs. So I like to weed out these SBs as well.

And when I do encounter a GPS over email / txt, I usually give them a quick economics lesson. I tell them a smart SD usually only spends 3-4% of his monthly income on his sugar activities (I know, I know many of us aren't very smart, haha). So if they want a 3-5k monthly allowance, they would need to find a true multi-millionaire that has enough disposable income which isn't tied up in assets. Of course these guys are out there, but the competition is fierce, they often expect model quality and can be very controlling to their SBs. And as soon as they get bored with the SB, they'll drop them as quickly as a hot iron. Then I sell them the appeal of having a small business man as a SD. I tell them how we can still make their life a lot easier by covering some major bills while they can still maintain their independence because we're not looking for a pet like some of the ultra rich SDs.

For new SBs and SBs who aren't exactly "model 10" in looks, this often begins to cure their GPS disease. Usually after a couple of weeks of not finding any realistic pot SDs who are going to pay them 60k a year just to meet twice a month, then they usually start contacting me again. Of course, there are some SBs who are capable of finding lucrative arrangements like that but the vast majority will not. Sometimes splashing some cold water of the hard reality on the SB will bring them down to earth with their expectations.

But us SDs have to keep our expectation in check too. If you're on a M&G with a model material girl or see a profile with photos of an aspiring model, then you have to know she very likely will expect 1-2K per month minimum. She's probably already attracted the attention of high-rollers (not just on SD sites but in real life too) , so if you just offer her a few hundred a month, she'll likely balk at it. Just as the girl next door shouldn't expect to get 60K per year just for being some guy's arm candy, A small business or professional SD shouldn't expect to give just 1. 0 per visit to a top model quality girl or playboy bunny. Know your market.

**ChiGuy606** · 08-17-12 17:10

Dear Doctor,

I think possibly something might be in the air.

I recently concluded conversations with a potential. She was in the 'golden' 30-34 year age range, and was very very good looking, but certainly not the best of the best out there.

After a few emails & SMSs I decided to take the first step and ask her what she was looking for. She replied 500-600 if we just have dinner. Anything after dinner would have to 'start' at 1000!

Needless to say, I wished her well with her search.

**FeelGoodMd** · 08-17-12 09:43

Fellow Bowlers,

I've recently encountered a condition which has been reported in the literature, but with which I wasn't familiar. It is referred to as GPS, or Golden Pussy Syndrome, and I've seen it mentioned several times here on the board. This was my experience.

Patient 11 is a 23 year old caucasian, just shy of 6 feet tall (I'm 6'6", so tall is good) , thin, blonde / blue. Model material, basically. She's a prospective pharmicist entering her last year of undergrad, needing to "pay for college." On SA her "range" is listed as negotiable. We correspond for about two weeks, really hit it off via email, and go out to a nice dinner for our M&G. We have fantastic chemistry, don't discuss the arrangement at all, and the kiss goodnight was. Well, probably inappropriate for a restaurant parking lot.

The next day she writes to say she had a great time, but just to be sure there "aren't any misunderstandings" she asks what my range was for the arrangement. I write back that I see us "getting together a couple times / month, with gifts in the 2. 4 range (again, not a fixed sum every time) if we stay in, and in the 0. 5 to 1 range if we go out." She responds quite enthusiastically.

We set a date for the next weekend, and all is going well until she writes back again to thank me for being so generous with my planned gift, and that with what we'd agreed on she "could literally take care of my school payments completely, and not have any debt." I smell trouble.

I text back that I'm glad she's so happy, but I want to make sure that she "knows my range was in hundreds, not thousands. LOL" Radio silence for two hours. Then a text back that she likes me and enjoyed dinner, but she needs at least $5k / month to make ends meet. She wishes me well, and says goodbye.

So, young patient 11 was thinking she'd be getting at least $5k, and possibly as much as $8k, for a couple visits a month. (keep in mind, I list my NET WORTH as 1-2 mil, and my income as 100-250). No matter how well we got along and enjoyed our text / email conversations, she dropped me like a Chernobyl potato when she found out she was not cashing in.

Gentlemen, GPS is a highly aggressive disease, often leading to delusions. There are, from what I've read, few known treatments other than giving the patient time to recover and set more realistic expectations. The GPS carrier can be difficult to identify, but when recognized should be avoided for fear of disappointment and anger in the victim (read, pot SD).

Now accepting new patients,

Dr. Feelgood

**AliasSM** · 08-17-12 05:36

Now you have caused a stampede of SDs that are all going to be grabbing up the 30-35 yr old talent causing that predictable supply and demand imbalance that drives the market up. Notice that as soon as you popped up and said how old you are, every monger SD on the board is all of the sudden smitten by that age group. I know you have a special following on this board (and I admit I'm one of them) , but you could now be the primary cause of a major shift in SD preferences that could significantly alter the market prices forever. Next time, please just PM me with your advice and leave these guys alone to live and learn for themselves.

Alias