"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Literal2** · 01-07-12 06:06

Originally Posted by Coolhand2 [View Original Post]

My position on pre discussions of sugar has evolved over time. In the beginning I wouldn't discuss it. If they insisted I was out of there. Now I try not to but I will if pushed. Since going to SA I find the pickings are better but they all seem to insist on it. ***Where I'm at now is if it helps them to open their thighs, why not.

This sounds sensible. My point was you often don't have to talk about the sugar. As for SA, my recollection is that you are supposed to put how much you can pay every month in your profile, so that encourages sugar talk. I'm not a purist. My atf sb4 talks about it all the time, my other atf sb18 never mentioned it.

**Literal2** · 01-07-12 05:47

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Lit,

If it were me, I would let her know you're still interested, but that you have considerably more experience than when she left in March, and while you may have agreed to 1K then,"x" is the going sugar amount, and is what you are comfortable with now. My guess is that she will acquiesce if you are firm (no pun intended) with her, but as has been stated earlier, you must be prepared to walk away, no matter how loudly Mr J protests. Remind him there's always another baby just around the corner who can be had within your target zone.

Let us know as things develop.

Scott

Yeah I like this approach. Thanks.

**Coolhand2** · 01-07-12 01:52

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

This whole SB thing has caused me to look at HYBs in a different manner. Before I would ogle them discretely and think for a second or two how fun it would be to bang them. Now, as I have come to understand how broad the SB world is, I wonder to myself when I see an HYB if she might be on SA, and I could find her profile. It lends a greater sense of concreteness to my musings, making them a lot more fun. Not an earth-shattering observation, but more of an added perk kind of thing.

Scott

This made me think of a situation I had over the holidays. I went to the wardens work Christmas party at which were numerous researchers, residents, young Drs and clerical staff. Having attended previous years, I knew there would be numerous HYB's in attendance. In the past I skulked around secretly drooling and depressed over what I could not have. This year was totally different. When the sweet blonde reached for a drink and her dressed hugged that body I smiled and thought "I just had one like that last month." When the hot Hispanic intern with the wonderful ass bent over to pick fom the sandwich table I smiled and thought "My hispanic SB was built just like you. Crazy as hell but boy could she fuck." When the tall, with legs-to-die-for, African American Dr crossed her legs as she sat down at the bar and I glimsped those wonderful thighs I smiled and thought "I have a AA SB whose taller then you whose thighs were wrapped around my ears last week." No depression; no drooling; no skulking. Just the sweet inner satisfaction that can only come from banging SB's. When you're my age and you've had the cum of a 18 year old run down your thighs, the universe is a wonderful place.

**Graham111** · 01-06-12 20:45

With my new SB their were other signs."I am a waitress and part time dancer". So now Big head says where is the upsale. After 30 minutes small talk she says what are you doing later and I should have pounced. Oh well. Live and learn.

**SubCmdr** · 01-06-12 19:21

Originally Posted by Coolhand2 [View Original Post]

As gorgeous as she was (and I have not fucked a woman of Indian descent) I had to let it go. For me two dinner dates would mean at least 3 weeks without SB pussy. To high a price to pay

And there ends the lesson. You the man!

Cmdr out

**Coolhand2** · 01-06-12 18:29

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

Perhaps I was being too literal in my description of "meet and greet." I have met several babies for ten minutes or so, mostly when I'm on the road, either at a bar in the hotel or nearby, and then gone straight to the room. Cool, apparently you would not characterize this as an m&g, but I guess I had been.

Scott

I think you have been to literal. The definition of a meet and greet is a meeting with no expectation of pussy to immediately follow. Key word there is "No Pussy." Meeting in FC bar; coffee followed by trip to FC; meeting in parking lot of FC, are not M&G's to me. I had been communicating with a drop dead gorgeous Indian woman. Get this; she tells me that her pics on SA are not her and gives me a link to her pics. The pics on SA were a solid 8; her real pics were 10+. Go figure. Anyway after several back and forth I was clear that she required a couple of dinners before the thighs would open. As gorgeous as she was (and I have not fucked a woman of Indian descent) I had to let it go. For me two dinner dates would mean at least 3 weeks without SB pussy. To high a price to pay

**F Scott** · 01-06-12 18:07

Originally Posted by Coolhand2 [View Original Post]

Where I'm at now is if it helps them to open their thighs, why not.

Right on, my brother!

**F Scott** · 01-06-12 18:05

Originally Posted by Coolhand2 [View Original Post]

I've bedded 12 SB's from 18/40 years old. I've never had a meet and great and I don't supply a picture. Only a detailed description. I've met them in the parking lot of the fucking chamber and some come directly to the room. I usually have extensive Email conversation where I make them comfortable with the concept. I let them know that the looks issue takes 10 nano seconds to resolve and if I'm not acceptable then No harm. No foul. Lit is right that they just want to know you're not horrible. They're not looking for a 20 something hard body. They can get that at any bar they go to. They meet with us for financial support and hopefully some good sex. My latest was Tuesday. She pulled into the parking lot, jumped out of the car, hugged me and started crying. I asked her why. She said;"You're not ugly." I laughed, took her to the FC and for the next three hours fucked every orifice in her body except her eyes and ears. (and I thought about the ears). For me; so far so good. Anyway, that's my experience.

Coolhand

Gentlemen,

Perhaps I was being too literal in my description of "meet and greet." I have met several babies for ten minutes or so, mostly when I'm on the road, either at a bar in the hotel or nearby, and then gone straight to the room. Cool, apparently you would not characterize this as an m&g, but I guess I had been.

Scott

**Coolhand2** · 01-06-12 18:04

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Cool, thanks for your data about meet and greets. We are contributing to the good work that has been done before by other mongers in this group.

Another interesting question is, do you have to talk a specific amount of sugar in advance with a sb?

Conclusion: Most of the time you don't have to talk about a specific amount of sugar in advance. You just give the baby what you feel like after you've fucked her. However, I believe she is more likely to open up again if you sugar her adequately the first time. Some sbs do like to negotiate. In my experience, this usually means a delayed penetration.

*

Here's an extreme example of the delaying effect of talking sugar in advance. A pretty Euro model type listed on sd4me early last year wouldn't agree to meet without talking sugar. I think she was sb7 (I forget). We emailed back and forth for months. She insisted $1K was her rock bottom. Obviously this girl is more like a high end escort than a true sb. I ordered Mr Johnson to stay the hell out of it, but he agreed to the $1K anyway. Luckily for me, sb9 came along and diverted Johnson's attention so there was no contact. Sb7 then left the country. This was last March. She just landed back in the US yesterday and emailed me. I am not going to give this beauty $1k. But goddam Johnson has set her expectations way high now. I have to find a way to lower them. I have a feeling this haggling will go on for several more months. I need a creative strategy.

My position on pre discussions of sugar has evolved over time. In the beginning I wouldn't discuss it. If they insisted I was out of there. Now I try not to but I will if pushed. Since going to SA I find the pickings are better but they all seem to insist on it. I think the SB blogs have something to do with it. I haven't read it but I think it tells them to make sure they know the sugar amount. The turning point for me was a 24yr old HYB. (5'11, toned body, B / C cup pierced) She insisted, I relented and we agreed on the amount. It was actually under what I was prepared to pay. I've been fucking her almost once a week for 3 months. She is my ATF; I can spend the afternoon fucking her and have a great time or have lunch with her and have a great time. She's even made the two hour drive to see me when I couldn't get to her. Since that initial discussion of sugar, it has never come up again. She did ask for help with gas when she drove to me but I thought that was more then reasonable.

I've bedded a couple of others in between and sugar was set in advance. It has not detracted from the experience and may help them get past the picture thing. There was one bad experience. We had agreed on the amount (I thought) , we're in the FC and I realize that my amount per month (4 visits) was what she expected per visit. I gave her gas money and said sayonara. I'm now doubly sure we're talking about the same thing.

Where I'm at now is if it helps them to open their thighs, why not.

**F Scott** · 01-06-12 17:59

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Sb7 then left the country. This was last March. She just landed back in the US yesterday and emailed me. I am not going to give this beauty $1k. But goddam Johnson has set her expectations way high now. I have to find a way to lower them. I have a feeling this haggling will go on for several more months. I need a creative strategy.

Lit,

If it were me, I would let her know you're still interested, but that you have considerably more experience than when she left in March, and while you may have agreed to 1K then,"x" is the going sugar amount, and is what you are comfortable with now. My guess is that she will acquiesce if you are firm (no pun intended) with her, but as has been stated earlier, you must be prepared to walk away, no matter how loudly Mr J protests. Remind him there's always another baby just around the corner who can be had within your target zone.

Let us know as things develop.

Scott

**Literal2** · 01-06-12 17:25

Cool, thanks for your data about meet and greets. We are contributing to the good work that has been done before by other mongers in this group.

Another interesting question is, do you have to talk a specific amount of sugar in advance with a sb?

Here's my data:

Sb1. No.

Sb2. No.

Sb4. Yes.

Sb5. Yes.

Sb6. No.

Sb8. No.

Sb9. No.

Sb12. Yes. Long negotiations took a couple months.

Sb14. No.

Sb16. No.

Sb18. No.

Sb3. Yes. Long negotiations took three months.

Sb11. No.

Conclusion: Most of the time you don't have to talk about a specific amount of sugar in advance. You just give the baby what you feel like after you've fucked her. However, I believe she is more likely to open up again if you sugar her adequately the first time. Some sbs do like to negotiate. In my experience, this usually means a delayed penetration.

*

Here's an extreme example of the delaying effect of talking sugar in advance. A pretty Euro model type listed on sd4me early last year wouldn't agree to meet without talking sugar. I think she was sb7 (I forget). We emailed back and forth for months. She insisted $1K was her rock bottom. Obviously this girl is more like a high end escort than a true sb. I ordered Mr Johnson to stay the hell out of it, but he agreed to the $1K anyway. Luckily for me, sb9 came along and diverted Johnson's attention so there was no contact. Sb7 then left the country. This was last March. She just landed back in the US yesterday and emailed me. I am not going to give this beauty $1k. But goddam Johnson has set her expectations way high now. I have to find a way to lower them. I have a feeling this haggling will go on for several more months. I need a creative strategy.

**Coolhand2** · 01-06-12 16:14

Originally Posted by Literal2 [View Original Post]

Conclusion: Formal meet and greets are usually not necessary. Most sbs do prefer to check you out briefly before they enter the fucking chamber. Some sbs will agree to meet in your hotel room. There are variations, but that summarizes my experience.

I get horny just studying this data.

Unfortunately no sugarbaby pussy for Mr Johnson for the next several weeks. On the plus side, sb4 (my atf with a perfect ass) replied to my email and wants me to come fuck her again after all, so there's that to look forward to, as well as sb9, when I can get free. I wonder if atf sb18 will ever reply. It will be difficult for me to get to her if she does, but a whiff of sb pussy can pull a monger a long way down the road.

So I'm looking forward to a few good sessions with girls I've been with before. But it's not the same as the excitement you get chasing a new girl.

Anyway, that my opinion. Others may differ.

I've bedded 12 SB's from 18/40 years old. I've never had a meet and great and I don't supply a picture. Only a detailed description. I've met them in the parking lot of the fucking chamber and some come directly to the room. I usually have extensive Email conversation where I make them comfortable with the concept. I let them know that the looks issue takes 10 nano seconds to resolve and if I'm not acceptable then No harm. No foul. Lit is right that they just want to know you're not horrible. They're not looking for a 20 something hard body. They can get that at any bar they go to. They meet with us for financial support and hopefully some good sex. My latest was Tuesday. She pulled into the parking lot, jumped out of the car, hugged me and started crying. I asked her why. She said;"You're not ugly." I laughed, took her to the FC and for the next three hours fucked every orifice in her body except her eyes and ears. (and I thought about the ears). For me; so far so good. Anyway, that's my experience.

Coolhand

**Literal2** · 01-06-12 08:10

This is an interesting question, so I studied my notes. Here are the results for my sbs:

Sb1. Agreed to hotel in advance, picked her up, took her to hotel and fucked her.

Sb2. Met her for meet and greet, fucked her a week later.

Sb4. Met her for lunch, drove to her place afterwards and fucked her.

Sb5. Met in parking lot, walked to her place and walked right out when she asked for too much sugar for FS but offered BJ, she emailed me to come back, fucked her the next week.

Sb6. Met her in my hotel room and fucked her.

Sb8. Met her at her home, she was too heavy for me, so I fingered her, took pussy pix and left.

Sb9. Met her for 5 minutes at a bar, fucked her a week later.

Sb12. Met her in my hotel room and fucked her.

Sb14. Met her in my hotel room and fucked her.

Sb16. Met her at my hotel bar, took her to room and fucked her.

Sb18. Met her in my hotel room and fucked her.

Sb3. Met her for meet and greet, fucked her three months later.

Sb11. Agreed to hotel in advance, picked her up, took her to hotel and fucked her.

Conclusion: Formal meet and greets are usually not necessary. Most sbs do prefer to check you out briefly before they enter the fucking chamber. Some sbs will agree to meet in your hotel room. There are variations, but that summarizes my experience.

I get horny just studying this data.

Unfortunately no sugarbaby pussy for Mr Johnson for the next several weeks. On the plus side, sb4 (my atf with a perfect ass) replied to my email and wants me to come fuck her again after all, so there's that to look forward to, as well as sb9, when I can get free. I wonder if atf sb18 will ever reply. It will be difficult for me to get to her if she does, but a whiff of sb pussy can pull a monger a long way down the road.

So I'm looking forward to a few good sessions with girls I've been with before. But it's not the same as the excitement you get chasing a new girl.

Anyway, that my opinion. Others may differ.

**Graham111** · 01-06-12 00:04

Thanks for all the encouragement. Did I fuck up?

Tried the intown for a short period and quickly found a SB. Met at a bar and plied her with drink and food. Get's around to Sugar. No seems low but no definate no. Asks if I will provide Sugar for meeting her. No, dinner and drinks is all. Call her later. Now no answer. Assume SB is less than going Escort rate but maybe wrong. Advice guys? If SB is same as escort why do I want them?

**SubCmdr** · 01-05-12 22:34

SB2. (MILF. 40, HWP, Average Looks) Met with her for coffee. Made small talk. Passed my chemistry test. Meeting in the FC scheduled for next week. No sugar talk.

I appreciate the advice posted here. We all have to find the methods that work best for us and the particular baby. In the end it is all about putting the moisture seeking missile on target.

Cmdr out