"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**F Scott** · 11-02-11 11:08

Gentlemen,

In rereading my hot model / artist's profile text, I noticed something I had not seen before: she is interested in women as well, but has never, as of yet, gone there. Now it just so happens that a baby I see once a month or so is also interested in women, and has, as far as she has told me, been with two in her young life.

I'm thinking that, if things go well with the model on Thursday, I may suggest to them both that we three might get together for a "mutually beneficial arrangement". Has anyone arranged such a thing before, and what is the language you would recommend? I don't want to offend either one, and I know I am way out ahead of the situation regarding the model, but I have to admit that it is a pleasant thought to have knocking around in my head. I will certainly let you know what happens.

On another note, Nando, good for you that you are so happy. If I could find someone that captured by attentions like that, I think I would settle down as well. My 20 year old HYB college student is the closest, honestly, but her availability is such that I could go weeks without seeing her, which as someone pointed out earlier in this thread, is not good for my prostate health.

Keep up the good work,

Scott

**Hernando** · 11-01-11 17:57

Scotty, I feel your pain since failure seems to be the hallmark of trying to land these ephemeral creatures. Keep up the good work. Lit carried the board for a while, now you seem to be the de facto leader.

I am currently experiencing the joy of a stable SB relationship with a wonderful College Girl going on 8 mos or so. This is the ultimate goal for me since I went through a multifucking period and accumulated a boatload of notches on my woody. She is using all my play funds so I don't have any left over to sow any more wild oats-and strangely don't have the desire to. Is it love?

Therefore, I have not had much to contribute here. Occasionally I search the boards in my area and look at the hotties there, missing the chase but I also remembered how hard it was to find one who has the right combination of looks, sex appeal, and intelligence. I am so over the Nando 1's-the poor needy users who have nothing to offer except grief-for the occasional piece of ass.

Ergo- I'm happy but I know things can turn on a dime. If my SB moves on I will be back with a different goal in mind. I WILL look for a quality, educated girl-the true SB looking for her one daddy to help her up in life rather than bail her out of a mess. I'm over the bleeders. It is more expensive but it is a benefit well worth the cost.

Good luck men! I still miss hearing Literal's stories-he seemed to have the most success of all the mongers. I hope he is well and has not fallen on hard times or been outed.

**Spitfire** · 11-01-11 08:16

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

They are a quixotic breed, these sugar babies.

This sums up the sugar baby search nicely.

**F Scott** · 10-31-11 18:58

Gentlemen,

I have just returned from an out-of-town business trip, where, employing my tried-and-true OTR (on the road) strategy, I had lined up companionship for all three nights, and was feeling pretty smug. I am now posting to relate the results: no joy in Mudville! I was completely skunked all three nights! I had to have dinner with my clients each evening, which I had explained to my babies, and all seemed to have no problem with meeting afterwards for drinks. Two even asked outright if there might be the possibility of something more if things went well. How could it have gone so utterly south? The only answer I can offer is this: they are a quixotic breed, these sugar babies.

Wednesday night said that it was too late, and she was already a little drunk and didn't want to drive. I offered to pick her up myself, but she said she would never get in a car with a stranger she had only met over the internet. What? Let me see if I have this right. You would happily fuck me after a drink or two, but wouldn't let me drive you to a local bar before hand? Whatever.

Thursday night just never responded once I got there, and Friday said her young son had come down with an asthma attack, which if she were pulling an excuse out of the hat, it was the one single excuse that worked with me. My oldest child suffered from asthma when younger, and I know how worrying it can be.

So it was hotel room porn for me all three nights. Cheaper yes, but I'm overly familiar with my date by this time and I think a little of the romance has gone out of our relationship. Sorry Rosy.

On the "when you get bucked off a horse you get back in the saddle again" front, I met a totally, totally hot baby this afternoon who I am truly afraid may bankrupt me. She is a model, artist (God, I love that combo) and stunner, who has a serious fashion addiction. Hooray for me! We are scheduled for dinner on Thursday, when my SO will be out of town for work herself, and I am hopeful that we will progress smoothly from dessert to a near-by hotel. Please think positive thoughts for me, my brothers, for she is by far the hottest baby I have had the temerity to attempt to land. Think "Old Man and the Sea" kind of thing.

In signing off, I feel I must chide you all for your woeful lack of posts. Scroll down and you will see I am the most recently-vocal of our merry band. Nando, Golf, Tigger, Spit, and others, come on. Surely you have wisdom, or at the very least salacious tales, to impart.

Keep up the good work,

Scott

**F Scott** · 10-26-11 16:50

Originally Posted by Lvillig [View Original Post]

I've had about a 30% success rate on MM. Some of the girls on there you can find posted in galleries on here as SB's, on AFF, Fling, or even as pros on Backpage. I've only gotten with one BP pro through MM and she was interested in new shots for her ads. After that however I stuck strictly to lingerie, nude and erotic models. The majority of them are basically broke ass pornstars in training or college girls hoping that someone will "discover" her. I did all of this by setting up a MM account, acquiring a legit seeming business email for the "studio" and buying some pro lighting off of CL. The DSLR I had and I bought a HD Cam. Also, each of the models has to email a release for her photos prior to coming to the shoot. Eventually I'm going to release all of this material as part of a website. I think of it as contributing to my retirement.

Lvillig,

I missed this reply. You need to elaborate a bit. This could be fun. Walk us through the entire process, if you wouldn't mind. What photos did you put up initially on your MM account? Where is your "studio"? Once the girls respond to your contact, how do you convey that it is not a simple photo shoot, but you want them to come and fuck you? Where does this activity occur? What kind of fee do they then expect? Details, man, details.

Scott

**F Scott** · 10-26-11 13:33

Hey, sorry if I mis-remebered who had the Latina HYB. Good Lord, I had trouble getting out of bed this morning. But it's a good kind of pain, know what I mean?

So, not to seem like a total newbie, but is this a shared attitude? Can one legitimately make that generalization? In my area, they are of two types in terms of Latina profiles: the first goes something like "heyyy, I want your monieeee but we'll have funnnn", which I know is going to be nothing but trouble and drama, but the second type is fairly normal, although there still is a lot of text-ese, which here-to-for has put me off, but maybe I've been making a mistake.

Certainly yesterday's baby was not the most eloquent communicator, but then I was not there to chat, really. I guess I am seeking the collective wisdom and experience of the brethren as to where I should put my limited time and effort. Should I back-burner what I have going currently and re-focus attention on hot young Latinas, which would put me back at the beginning in terms of contact-to-bedroom timespan, or should I stick with what I know I can work with?

In other words, do you all think it is worth the effort to change course with all that entails. Advice, please.

Thanking you all in advance,

Scott

**BigTigger** · 10-26-11 09:05

Welcome to the club. My Latina has been wearing me out too!

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

As I have posted previously, when I send out an initial contact message to a potential new baby, I encourage her to respond to an off-site email account that I have set up expressly for the business of SD / SB correspondence. Once they email me there, I ask for a picture of them not from the site. If they comply, I feel it indicates an interest that is a step or two beyond "just seeing where this leads." Mostly what I get are either iphone in the mirror-type shots, or, less often, professionally-taken modeling shots. Occasionally, I get something else.

On Saturday, just as I was about to head out of town for the weekend, I got not one but two pussy pictures as the follow-up photo, coincidentally both from hot, and I mean hot. 20-something Latinas. Now I make it a practice to fast-track any baby that sends me a picture of her pussy, and so today I had the real pleasure of fucking one of them for about two hours, and brothers, I am sore all over. Was that just this particular baby, or did I miss the memo? Nando, I know your current ATF SB is Latina, or am I mistaken; so is this the case? Is it common knowledge? I mean wow.

As an aside, I left her alone in my car while I was getting us a room, and I have a thought / tip to pass along. I normally keep a very "clean" car, meaning nothing visible or accessible that has my real name or address on it. I keep all the service receipts, registration etc in the covered well for my spare tire. But I recently got my brakes repaired, and there was a receipt in the glove box where I lazily put it and where the baby could easily have found it. Yikes! I think I am ok, but just a reminder to be ever vigilant. Establish good practices and never, ever deviate.

Back to Latinas for one last minute. If this next baby turns out to fuck as hotly as the one today, I'm done with white girls. I've got a heating pad on my back as I type this, and little Scottie, for once, is sleeping soundly.

As always, keep up the good work.

Scott

**F Scott** · 10-25-11 20:42

Gentlemen,

Apparently the post below was the one that put me over the threshold. I'm so proud!

Scott

**F Scott** · 10-25-11 20:41

Gentlemen,

As I have posted previously, when I send out an initial contact message to a potential new baby, I encourage her to respond to an off-site email account that I have set up expressly for the business of SD / SB correspondence. Once they email me there, I ask for a picture of them not from the site. If they comply, I feel it indicates an interest that is a step or two beyond "just seeing where this leads." Mostly what I get are either iphone in the mirror-type shots, or, less often, professionally-taken modeling shots. Occasionally, I get something else.

On Saturday, just as I was about to head out of town for the weekend, I got not one but two pussy pictures as the follow-up photo, coincidentally both from hot, and I mean hot. 20-something Latinas. Now I make it a practice to fast-track any baby that sends me a picture of her pussy, and so today I had the real pleasure of fucking one of them for about two hours, and brothers, I am sore all over. Was that just this particular baby, or did I miss the memo? Nando, I know your current ATF SB is Latina, or am I mistaken; so is this the case? Is it common knowledge? I mean wow.

As an aside, I left her alone in my car while I was getting us a room, and I have a thought / tip to pass along. I normally keep a very "clean" car, meaning nothing visible or accessible that has my real name or address on it. I keep all the service receipts, registration etc in the covered well for my spare tire. But I recently got my brakes repaired, and there was a receipt in the glove box where I lazily put it and where the baby could easily have found it. Yikes! I think I am ok, but just a reminder to be ever vigilant. Establish good practices and never, ever deviate.

Back to Latinas for one last minute. If this next baby turns out to fuck as hotly as the one today, I'm done with white girls. I've got a heating pad on my back as I type this, and little Scottie, for once, is sleeping soundly.

As always, keep up the good work.

Scott

**Member #5055** · 10-24-11 14:08

Not sure where to post this. Posting this here as this thread, I suspect, has a high number of older guys with means, that may be able to give advise.

I have used Cialis by choice for many years. 20mg works wonders for about 40 hours I would say!

My doctor basically prescribes as many as I need. However, as many of us know, insurance hardly covers at all. And restricts you to 3-4 at a time, it is almost easier just to buy them outright at the pharmacy!

My pharmacist heavily warned me off the online pharmacist. Of course he may just be protecting himself.

My question is. From your experience, what are the reliable and SAFE ones to use. Canadian? I would suggest general replies only to this report replies, if you have specific website info, perhaps you could send as an I'm, or just post the fact that you have a reliable site.

Many thanks,

I too am starting to wander into the SB world! I will report of course.

GW

**Member #5570** · 10-23-11 23:07

That's good advice and very reasonable. Thanks golfcart.

**Hernando** · 10-23-11 19:36

Golf.I really liked your sage advice. The problem is that Sugar ALWAYS comes up in this thread, and nobody knows exactly what magic number is going to make this baby happy. In my area I would say that the hourly rate for escorts ranges from $$ to $$$$, so that is a rather large spread. Now I am not talking the 15 minute graduated plan on BP, because some of those chicks can be had for $-$.5, and I'm not talking the GPS chix who occasionally pop up.

Smokarz. I would suggest evaluating your date based on her value to you as :1) a one time and out; 2) a suitable occasional roll in the hay you will want to call again but not regularly; 3) A prime candidate as a regular; and 4) a smoking hot too good to be true and got to own this girl.

The sugar would roll out this way IMHO pretty much as you can guess. 1) $.2) $$.3) $$.5. $$$, and 4) forget about it.she will bankrupt you and it won't be worth it in the end, because these are all GPS. But if you get a crack at it, then try $$$ unless you are plenty loaded and money is no object. Heck, Spitzer gave $5000 / hr for a soso escort, but then each to his own.

Keep in mind what I said in a recent post. You have Sugar plus room, dinner, drinks, and gifts = an extra $ to $$$ easily. At least escorts have the room and don't require gifts, dinner or drinks unless you just like that.

The cool thing about SBs is that they are probably not banging 20 other guys / week, might actually be monogamous with you for a while, will spend more than an hour and possibly all night for the same sugar, and still have that excited civilian attitude about them.

Check your area escort websites for the going rate with BP being the low end.

**Golfcart** · 10-23-11 14:44

Originally Posted by Smokarz_XO [View Original Post]

Got a response from a 25yr single mom white female. Talk about availabilty, etc. No specifics on $ or sexual activity. Looks like we'll hook up next week. Do you guys have any idea about gift amount on first date. I know I don't want to start high and got stuck with it. I like to start low-med and kick it up a notch from times to times to keep her please.

I fell into the SB side of "the business" by accident after years on the internet escort side when a friend in the business fixed me up with a civie girlfriend needing some help following a divorce.

Although the SB angle has been the best for me I have never totally left the internet escort side. So I know what a particular SB can command were she a traditional escort.

I've had no difficulty getting in a SB's pants with no prior talk of sugar simply by treating her like an ordinary girl I wanted to take to dinner and actually taking her to dinner the first time and most other times also. I've found SB's are uncomfortable with the discussion of sugar. Even though they want to know what to expect I've found if I don't bring it up they won't be the first. I'm sure there are highly experienced SB's who "out" themselves as experienced by wanting this detail cleared up ahead of time like a Pennsylvania lawyer on retainer. I just have not run into a girl such as this (with one exception).

When I have been with a SB I simply give her what she could get in the business, no more, no less. If she has any smarts at all she will see the reasonableness of what I slip in her purse as we are leaving, when she is being distracted by a door opening or closing, when I slip my hand in her purse palm down with the contents she cannot see, and without saying a word what I'm doing or have done. That's how I handle the gift. She will say, 'Thank you, ' and I still keep my mouth shut.

Talk about sugar is bad.

I disagree with going in low. We think. Women feel. She is probably in a difficult situation and I don't want her feeling I'm taking advantage. Some advantage is inescapable to the relationship, but there's unfair advantage. She is important to me. I want to be important to her. I am important by being reliable at scale with no surprises.

I also disagree with going in low because to give more over time is a slippery slope of getting hit all the time for more. It encourages boldness. It invites a door I don't want to go through.

Giving her reasonable sugar is good.

There is also no need. She is treated fairly. I bring security to her. She knows she can count on what she will be getting. The flakes she will be dealing with seal her to me. The glue is the certainty I bring to the table.

Women need a man they can count on.

One exception to the above was a girl who was not okay with the sugar after two visits and put the bite on me big-time. She turned out to be a bad case of golden pussy syndrome secondary to being a real estate agent. I didn't call her anymore. A few months later she called me to give me her new cell number. Things were nice and friendly but I never used the new number. GPS meant she was unhappy with my gift. She was certainly hot and delivered the goods but I did not want to be with her unhappy over the gift or me unhappy over the gift.

Smokarz_XO, the above is the background for my advice to give her what she can command as an internet escort in your market, no more, no less, and keep it there.

**Golfcart** · 10-23-11 14:42

Originally Posted by Spitfire [View Original Post]

Looks like a good find. Google Voice is a good thing. If you're worried about her showing up on your doorstep, ease into it. Meet at neutral locations for fun. If she doesn't know where your doorstep is, kinda hard to show up there. But, if you get to know her and your trust level increases you could drop that barrier, but it's a big step. Also, you might want to block out her face a bit more. If by some chance she cruises these forums, she's likely to be pi*ed if she sees it here. Just my opinion.

Giving a girl knowledge about us that enables her to contact our family, our employer is the power to destroy us in the hands of a girl who might become desperate, unstable or jealous at some point which is really all the same thing, and women are particularly prone to having these tendencies on the quick and to the max. Plus, we are not dealing with women at the high point of their lives. There is no upside in giving her that power.

**Spitfire** · 10-23-11 13:29

Originally Posted by Heelman69 [View Original Post]

SO. After reading this and the thread up in B'more, I decided, this could be kinda fun. I did some research and made a post. Amongst the various SPAM e-mails I got one that had my filter phrase as the subject. COOL! 24 yo, Student, cute, thin, young brunette. Has possibilities, she put her real name in there, so I have done some research. Seems like a normal girl, maybe parties a bit (probably more than I would want to realise.) The big thing is, I don't want a drama queen or a gal that will show up on my doorstep or blow my phone up. I am using Google voice through my smartphone so I can call and text outside of my plan and my bill as far as listing numbers called, etc. Also, I can shut it off if I need to. Any other suggestions or comments?

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Looks like a good find. Google Voice is a good thing. If you're worried about her showing up on your doorstep, ease into it. Meet at neutral locations for fun. If she doesn't know where your doorstep is, kinda hard to show up there. But, if you get to know her and your trust level increases you could drop that barrier, but it's a big step. Also, you might want to block out her face a bit more. If by some chance she cruises these forums, she's likely to be pi*ed if she sees it here. Just my opinion.