"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Heelman69** · 10-23-11 12:42

SO. After reading this and the thread up in B'more, I decided, this could be kinda fun. I did some research and made a post. Amongst the various SPAM e-mails I got one that had my filter phrase as the subject. COOL! 24 yo, Student, cute, thin, young brunette. Has possibilities, she put her real name in there, so I have done some research. Seems like a normal girl, maybe parties a bit (probably more than I would want to realise.) The big thing is, I don't want a drama queen or a gal that will show up on my doorstep or blow my phone up. I am using Google voice through my smartphone so I can call and text outside of my plan and my bill as far as listing numbers called, etc. Also, I can shut it off if I need to. Any other suggestions or comments?

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**Member #5570** · 10-21-11 14:31

Got a response from a 25yr single mom white female. Talk about availabilty, etc. No specifics on $ or sexual activity. Looks like we'll hook up next week. Do you guys have any idea about gift amount on first date. I know I don't want to start high and got stuck with it. I like to start low-med and kick it up a notch from times to times to keep her please.

**Lvillig** · 10-21-11 12:18

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Gentlemen,

I was recently browsing this forum as a whole when I came across a similar thread to this one in the Baltimore section. Apparently the hobbyists there are having a great deal of success posting their own ads on CL and BP. This tactic, I am aware, is nothing new. What was intriguing was that one member made reference to finding utrs on a website called Modelmayhem, which is a forum for photographers and models to showcase their respective talents. If this member can be believed, all one has to do is put up a profile masquerading as a photographer and contact any of the models who do nude or erotic shoots. He asserts that "most of them know what's up", especially if you tell them you are looking to do a POV shoot.

Is this bs, wishful thinking, or something one of you has had experience with? I will say that one of my sbs could also be found on the mayhem site, but I thought it was a coincidence. If anyone has experience with this approach, please share. I am thinking of setting myself up there, but it would entail some pretty sophisticated crafting to make the profile seem legit, including getting photos to put up as examples of my "work" that couldn't be traced back to the rightful photographer.

On another note, still no Lit? Has anyone heard from him?

Keep up the good work,

Scott

I've had about a 30% success rate on MM. Some of the girls on there you can find posted in galleries on here as SB's, on AFF, Fling, or even as pros on Backpage. I've only gotten with one BP pro through MM and she was interested in new shots for her ads. After that however I stuck strictly to lingerie, nude and erotic models. The majority of them are basically broke ass pornstars in training or college girls hoping that someone will "discover" her. I did all of this by setting up a MM account, acquiring a legit seeming business email for the "studio" and buying some pro lighting off of CL. The DSLR I had and I bought a HD Cam. Also, each of the models has to email a release for her photos prior to coming to the shoot. Eventually I'm going to release all of this material as part of a website. I think of it as contributing to my retirement.

**Member #5570** · 10-21-11 00:10

Paid for the Premium membership on SA. Sent out about 10 emails. Let's see if any of these girls bites.

Also, since I am not in Richmond, I hope you guys don't mind me putting up a few posts here.

**F Scott** · 10-20-11 17:04

Hey Smoke,

SA is far and away my preferred site as well. There are many more babies in my area than SD4me, and since they only bill you for one month at a time, there's not the same hassle of canceling your membership as with the other site.

As for the amount of sugar the babies are requesting, just ignore that. The truth is most of them will have more than one SD, at least in my experience, and my feeling is that they put a high amount down so they won't feel like pros. I contact anyone that looks interesting, regardless of the amount they say they're looking for, and let things sort themselves out. I have met and successfully bedded 17 babies in the 4 months or so I have been pursuing this hobby, and never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd be having this much fun.

That said, it is, on one face of it, much more expensive a pursuit than the pro route, but the benefits, as have been described throughout this thread, far outweigh the costs. Take some time and go back to the very beginning of this thread and read it carefully if you haven't already. There is a gold mine of valuable, real-world information here, except, in my opinion, for the bizarre tangent about "squirters", but again that's just my opinion. Unlike a lot of the other threads in this forum, you will find all the hobbyists who are serious posters to be more than willing to share their insights, strategies, discoveries and misfortunes. I think we all can't believe our good luck, honestly, and it makes us polite to each other.

One thing I have learned that I can't stress enough. Be polite, courteous, well-spoken and circumspect in your first contacts. Polish your profile text until it is perfect, don't mention anything about fucking until they bring it up, and do not put up or send pictures of you unit. For a brief while as I was sorting out my own profile I had a fake sugarbaby one up, just so I could see what kind of messages the other guys were sending out. Disgusting! I never want to see another picture of a dick as long as I live. Every baby I have successfully landed, and even many of those that didn't work out, all tell me that my profile is so refined and polite, and that's what drew them to respond to my initial contact. These are not pros, and should be courted just like you would and civilian girl. The advantage is that they have already decided that they are looking for sex and know you are too. As one of the previous mongers on this thread has observed, you have both outed yourselves, which makes it easier and quicker to get to the ultimate goal.

Good luck, have fun, and share your escapades and insights with your brothers.

Scott

**Member #5570** · 10-20-11 15:33

I just created a profile on this site. So far I really like the look of this site compared to sd4m. Also has more babies in my area. Anyone else have success on this site? Also seems the girls here are asking $3k+ a month. Is this real?

**F Scott** · 10-19-11 19:53

[QUOTE I too had a heck of a time cancelling my membership with SD4Me. It takes weeks to get a response back from customer service, but yet, if you post something derogatory about the website in your profile, you get almost immediate response. That is the only way I could call attention to the fact that I did not want billed for another month.[/QUOTE]Thanks Dingus,

This is just the kind of practical, hands-on intel from the front that makes this thread, and most of the forum, a great service to us all. A couple of times I tried to slip my off-site email into my profile on SD and was immediately chastised, but when I tried to follow the instructions for canceling my membership, all I heard were crickets. I might go back one more time, because I did click in to some babies that were not on my preferred site, SA.

On a different topic, I am headed out of town again for work and am using my on-the-road gambit, so far with great results. I may try to schedule two babies each night, or would that just be hubris? What a great life this is! I will report any significant or helpful findings upon my return.

In the meantime, keep up the good work, gentlemen.

Scott

**Dirty Dingus** · 10-19-11 18:58

Originally Posted by Spitfire [View Original Post]

If you can, use a small value pre-paid credit card for this. I've had one heck of a time trying to cancel my membership with SD4Me.

I have been reading this forum for awhile, but since I am not from VA, never really thought I should chime in. I too had a heck of a time cancelling my membership with SD4Me. It takes weeks to get a response back from customer service, but yet, if you post something derogatory about the website in your profile, you get almost immediate response. That is the only way I could call attention to the fact that I did not want billed for another month. I had notified them 10 days in advance to cancel my membership and not bill my cc for another month, but they billed it anyway. So that is when I got nasty and started threatening legal action and told them I was filling a claim with the Better Business Bureau. After all that, they finally credited my card back for the month that they had charged without my permission. I learned my lesson, now, I only pay for membership by mailing them a money order. Takes a week or so to get activated, but better than going through the hassle.

**CantWinLosin** · 10-19-11 13:15

Why do it? Because I can do it on my computer in 45 seconds rather than having to go to some store to get a physical card. GreenDot and the like don't offer the flexibility of the PP system. And once you have a PP account, they have all your ident info; the system is set up specifically so you can create / terminate card numbers on demand quickly and easily.

I've never heard of anyone getting grief for using PayPal's services this way, either from them or other financial institutions. If the financial world had that big a problem with it, PP wouldn't do it; that's their playground, and they aren't about to piss off all the other big players that they need to work with.

A couple years ago, I made the mistake of subscribing to one of those "learn how to make money off the internet" things. Getting it stopped completely took 6 months, repeated calls to both the company and my CC vendor, and a chunk of my time and frustration. Yes, the CC company can and will slap a big fine on any merchant that doesn't properly cancel charges. But they're on the merchant's side too, and getting it all done and stopped can take a lot of effort. I will not get myself into that position again, and PP's service makes it trivially easy not to.

If you prefer GreenDot or a pre-paid card, good on ya. But don't belittle other people's suggestions simply because YOU don't see value in them.

**Hernando** · 10-19-11 10:23

"As I have also posted previously, it does not hurt to browse some of the SB blogs for insights"-per F Scott.

How do you find SB Blogs?

**Richmond Fotog** · 10-19-11 00:25

Why do all of that? It's your money. You can dispute a charge on a pre-paid card. You can also block any future charges from a company trying recurring charges.

Opening and closing accounts doesn't resolve anything. It can cause you problems. A bank can decline on issuing you a new account if you have a history of that or you have too many accounts. GreenDot and Bancorp are well-known for that. I've met a few girls who received refund checks with a letter stating they would not issue a new account. When girls get busted and have these cards, LE will notify the bank to freeze their account and they won't issue a new card.

The best pre-card I have ever had was issued directly from Visa itself. According to Visa, no Visa merchant that accepts Visa debit cards can decline on accepting a card issued directly by them unless it's for the obvious. Insufficient funds, fraudulent use, etc. They also have rules about merchants requiring to show a photo I'd. Per Visa, you don't have to show an I'd to use one of their cards if it has a pin-number. If a merchant declines for these reasons Visa will take a complaint and quickly fix that problem. There's a list of their approved banks on their site.

http://usa.visa.com/personal/cards/p...ard-online.jsp

You also have to read about the issuing bank and where their cards are accepted. It had little to do with the type of card, but with the bank that issued the card. If the bank the merchant uses doesn't accept cards or payments from the bank the card is issued from then they can decline on accepting the card. Just because it has Visa or MasterCard on it means little. Where it was issued it what they take into account when accepting payments.

The card also has to be properly activated and registered per The Patriot Act:

The USA PATRIOT Act is a Federal law that requires all financial institutions to obtain, verify, and record information that identifies each person who opens an account. You will be asked to provide your name, address, date of birth, and other information that will allow us to identify you. You may also be asked to provide documentation as proof of identification. Card issuance is contingent upon successfully passing this mandatory identification confirmation.

Originally Posted by Cantwinlosin [View Original Post]

As a comment on Spit's mention of pre-paid cards: if you have a PayPal account, you can set up separate CC numbers for specific purposes and control when and how charges are applied and when the number is canceled completely. Perfect for the case of a web site that may not be easy to un-join, etc. You just cancel the number, and they can't charge anything else on it.

The only downside of this is that a merchant account with the right equipment can detect when the card number you supply is one of these "controllable" or "temporary" accounts and refuse to accept it. But any business that is one I would feel required the use of this sort of account and that refuses to take such a number is one I won't do business with. Period.

**Member #5570** · 10-18-11 23:54

I've been using Google Voice to play. But be careful of your SO, so try to keep the phone out of sight.

I agree with Scot, these young chics love to texts. I have had some success with CL. Banged a 23 and 25 yr.

These younger ones are incredibly tight and wet. As soon as the panties dropped, they're already wet.

**CantWinLosin** · 10-18-11 21:41

As a comment on Spit's mention of pre-paid cards: if you have a PayPal account, you can set up separate CC numbers for specific purposes and control when and how charges are applied and when the number is canceled completely. Perfect for the case of a web site that may not be easy to un-join, etc. You just cancel the number, and they can't charge anything else on it.

The only downside of this is that a merchant account with the right equipment can detect when the card number you supply is one of these "controllable" or "temporary" accounts and refuse to accept it. But any business that is one I would feel required the use of this sort of account and that refuses to take such a number is one I won't do business with. Period.

**Spitfire** · 10-18-11 20:52

http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/a...p/t-34387.html

**F Scott** · 10-18-11 20:10

Gentlemen,

I second Spit's experience. At one time I had paid, all-access memberships on three SB sites, Seekingarrangements, SD4me, and *************. SA only bills by the month, so that, for me, was the no-brainer. When your membership runs out, you're cut off from the babies. Simple as that. I forget what I had to do to cancel AM, but it must not have been much. In my opinion, the entire site was a shill to get you to go to a paying webcam site. SD4me was another matter altogether. They kept billing my card, which was, by the way, an on-line only statement account that my SO is not aware of, my hobby card if you will, and I finally had to contact customer service at the sponsoring bank to cancel that card and get a new one. It was a little embarrassing having to explain to the service rep, a woman (of course) , what the situation was and why I wanted to cancel. In the end, it all worked out, but as Spit said, it took some doing.

As I have previously posted, for my area, Chicago, SA is far and away the best pool of babies. New ones come on every day, not all of them my taste, but still, how great is that?

In terms of other helpful hints for the newbies, I always pay cash where ever I can, don't use my real name ever, and use a dedicated burner phone that I keep mostly off in a secure location unless I am expecting a visit or a call. The one problem I have encountered with this approach is that most babies like to text. Apparently email is too low tech for the 20-somethings. Since my phone is fairly basic, a message such as "I'd love to see you on Tuesday for some totally hot f*cking" takes me approximately 20 minutes to execute. Does anyone have a suggestion?

I also follow Nando's approach to the hotel room. The less of a trail there is, the better. It also subtly shifts the dynamic a bit; your baby is no longer just passive, but now an active participant in the session you are planning, together.

As I have also posted previously, it does not hurt to browse some of the SB blogs for insights. One of the recent posts I read dissed on a poor SD simply for having the sugar in small denominations. She dumped the poor shmo for that reason alone. For me, point taken, and I now only proffer Benjamins, not Jacksons. They are capricious beings, these babies.

Lastly, I would say, once you have a backlog of contacts, some of which may not have panned out on the initial go-around, don't presume that hey are dead leads. I have let my SA subscription lapse for a couple of months, and am going back through my email contacts and reconnecting, and have fucked three babies so far that I had not followed through with the first time for one reason or another. No excuses given, no explanation asked. Just a short "it's been a long time, are you still interested" seems to be enough to get the dialogue started. But above all, be respectful. These are not pros, (although there are those, but they're easy to weed out) , so you must treat them accordingly. Do not, under any circumstances, send them a picture of your unit, awake or asleep. This is the single most common deal-breaker I have heard from my babies. This is a great thread, a great approach to the hobby, and for me has been a great experience. I am ten pounds lighter than I was when I started, I work out more, am more productive at my job, and have a far more positive outlook on life than before, all due, I am convinced, to my new hobby of fucking hot young women. Who would have guessed?

Keep up the good work,

Scott