"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Spitfire]

so I like to find partners who are reliable and monogamous, and on good birth control. The ones who are not I use covers with.

How do you *know* who is reliable, monogamous and on birth control? I wouldn't put it past someone desperate for a source of income to say 'Yes, I'm on birth control' but really aren't on anything hoping to get knocked up by someone with enough income to support them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to give you a hard time. My first SB and I never used anything (her or me) in the entire time we were together, so I'm not one to talk. Just a discussion point to consider.

[Hernando]

Spitfire, you are exactly right re: the risks of bareback.

1) 18 years of sugar. All risk and no benefit. (see Arnold)

2) STDs

So far so good but it is not good to tempt fate. The problem I have is that covers make it hard if not impossible for me to orgasm, so I like to find partners who are reliable and monogamous, and on good birth control. The ones who are not I use covers with.

Speaking of STDs, many of you frequent girls who provide BBBJ CIM even though you would not have uncovered intercourse. I've got news for you.oral STDs are extremely common (check your state health department stats in their regular reports) , and HPV is responsible for oral cancers in men.

[Hernando]

Well, my 3 probables from my report on Ashley Madison are all busts.

AM #1 upper 30's is ready to go to the FC but I can't bring myself to do a fat girl. It's just not my thing

AM # 2 Hot MILF admitted to 50 but looks 40 and a hottie at that, met me at a bar and was not into me. Go figure? You can't account for bad taste.

AM #3 SUPER hot college girl (pictures presented anyway) went through an entire day of very explicit sex talk, on line orgasm, and later phone convo all with great promise of hooking up soon (as a Sugar Baby) totally evaporated the following day. The AM profile disappeared from their site, she didn't return emails or phone messages. Man! Am I seriously bummed! She seemed too good to be true-and was. I guess she was a fake the whole time just looking for a thrill probably using fake pictures. Her voice on the phone sounded very young and I guess she could have been a teen playing around. Her profile age was given as 22. I don't like rejection but I prefer being told so I can move on. (see AM # 2) I'm pretty sure this one was a fake and never destined to be a meet.

The lessons to learn here are :

1) what you see is not always real;

2) expect rejection from time to time

3) girls looking for Kwan, gelt, doremi, etc are usually more motivated to hook up with a less than ideal partner.

I. E. AM #2 might have gone for the FC with me if she was looking for a payday at the end of it all.

4) AM girls are not as desperate and can be more picky.

5) The Meet is risky for a married man. It is better to meet someone in the FC, so the girl must be motivated to do so. My ATF SB met me cold turkey in the Hotel room, so I know it is doable. It does make me wonder about her judgement but she is young although very bright.

[Spitfire]

totally uncovered CIV

Be careful or you might end up with 18 years of sugar.

[Hernando]

Sugar Baby Significant Other (SBSO) A new acronym

My HYB continues to love me and provide A. 1 service but since she relocated farther away from my area she is no longer readily available when I can get free, so my FF (fucking frequency) has dropped from an average of 2-3 X / week with her to once every two weeks. I might need to think about starting a 2 or 3 hour appointment with her. After all, any contact with her is better than none and we get the important stuff done in that first hour anyway. We haven't talked about it but I don't think she wants to think of herself as an hourly type of girl.

Gap filling.because of those bodily needs I have filled in with a couple of my escort friends who are outstanding and a new girl Sugar Baby who some of you know. Sugar is nice but I am spoiled since I get serious GFE, totally uncovered CIV, all night snuggling, and AM MISH / BJ for just a little more donation with my SB. The one hour stop and shop has it's plusses though since an all nighter depends on the warden being out of town. In one hour I can slide by after work or slip out after bedtime for some nookie.

Ashley Madison (AM).I recently started back after very limited success several years ago (one meet / one fail) and have 3 girls on the probable list. I like this site because money does not seem to be the prime motivation. Unhappy but financially stable married women are usually OK with finding a guy who will make them feel sexy and wanted and don't fall into that Nando class 1/3.

AM #1 is an upper 30's professional BBW MILF who is ready to go to the FC with me. The problem is.I don't like BBW s. I am tempted to try her out but I find fat very unappealing. Just my bias. But then again pussy is pussy and she seems motivated.

AM #2-very hot thin blonde MILF ready to meet soon. FC not mentioned nor is $ but the implication is encouraging.

AM #3.VERY hot college girl.my favorite type. Thin, fit, cute, and wants $. We are in the prelim stage where she seems to be interested in talking.

SugarDaddy- lots of good looking new talent there but I haven't started to troll for takers yet. Some of you may already be tapping that treasure trove. I don't want my SB seeing me on that board unless we totally break things off.

[BigTigger]

OK, I'm working on a HYB for the Tigger Harem. .

22. Young Latina.

Pictures are smoking! So far she seems to be game with the way I like to do things (more covering expenses with a little extra in the gas money). She has good conversation and it's not as hard as I thought it would be to talk with a 22 year old. After the storm passes through, we are planning on scheduling our first date. No sugar was discussed, but she seems like she's going to be reasonable. However, I'm not quite as willing as Scott to avoid sex talk altogether. I do approach it from the perspective of asking one or two "do you like.", then change the topic back to other small talk as to not overwhelm them with the topic.

So far so good.

I think she's TB#10 and she's definitely the Latina Fantasy I've had for some years now. I wasn't expecting 22, but in order to fulfull my SD club obligation, I'm going to give it a try. I do have a 25 year in the stable already, so I guess that counts too. But this looks like it's going to be good and much more in line with what I think of for a HYB. I'll update you all after the first date, I hope to be tasting the goodies the first date in this case.

BigTigg

[BigTigger]

It's been almost a month, here's the latest.

TB #2. Gone, gave some lame excuse. Just too flaky, I never got to taste the goodies.

TB #3. Still no luck yet, she had BF drama the night we were supposed to meet. I have some great photos, but have not tasted the goodies yet.

TB #4. Done.

TB #5. All Star! . Flew in, looked way better than pictures, banging body (especially if you like big butts!) The sex was off the charts. If she were closer, it would be in so much trouble. I tried to do as advised and give her a little sugar to go. But once she paid for the lunch on Saturday, I knew it would not go over well. She stated that since I paid for everything else, it's the least she could do. (I'm sitting there stunned). So she's more of a MILF / SB. I can't wait to get at it again. Even the cost of the hotel and flight $$$$ was worth the over 20 hours of time together. It was pretty much, whatever I could get in, during that time, so it was on when we were together.

TB#6. Have not heard from her. No time to follow up with her now. (I still have the Airline gift cards ready for use)

TB#7. Linked up with her for Dinner and Hotel date. Very nice, great body and great attitude. The sexy was very good, will get better each time I'm sure. She communicates daily and we are trying to link up again next week. Not sure if it's going to work. TB#9 has been taking up a lot of my time.

TB#8. She went out of town and didn't get in lots of contact when she came back. She's juggling a number of SDs. Not a high priority anymore.

TB#9. 32 Year old, beautiful African-American. Great Body, great attitude. She's more of the affair type as opposed to straight SD / SB. Works for me, nobody has asked for exclusivity. She's by far the one I've spent the most time with and enjoy the most. Mainly pay for gas, and a I've thrown in a little extra. Have yet to have any amount over $. So far. 4 Hotel dates (including 2 over-nighters) , multiple pops and 2 non-hotel dates. (One of the non hotel dates ended in HJ, so even that was surprisingly successful!)

So currently,

TB#9 is the main squeeze. Averaging once a week.

TB#7 is my main pay to play. Averaging once a month. Sugar was not negotiated, but the $, seems to be suffice.

TB#5 is my top choice, will probably see once a quarter.

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Still have my normal two MILFs that I see once a month or every other month.

BigTigg.

TB2 has been flaky and cannot seem to make the times work. Had a date setup for Saturday, first hotel date. She cancelled the day of. Just think, I had just moved her to the #1 position. I never got to taste the goodies. Bummer!

TB3 had another meet and greet with her. We are on to have a ride on the wild side this weekend. She seems to be the most dependable.

TB4, she was backup to TB2, she also fizzed out. This was a typical low-rent move on her part. Sent 1/2 of sugar for gas and sitter. She never showed. Offered some lame excuses via email. (car. Accident. Cell phone. Yada yada). When will they learn, you can get away with the little, but you lose out on the bigger paydays. This is twice now I've paid some upfront, both times were a waste. That practice is over.

TB5 has purchased her roundtrip ticket for August. So that weekend seems to be ready to roll.

TB6 (I listed wrong as TB7) had some drama in her life, still wants to cum, but cannot seem to get her act together to coordinate getting the plane ticket. So I'm moving on from her. Very disappointed in this one. She was a nice HYB.

TB7 Young 25 year old African American. Great thick body, shorty, with nice assets all around. She's scheduled to get the Tigger Bounce in the TiggerChamber in a couple of weeks. We have the date time and location picked out. She's not specific with the sugar she wants, so I'll be able to provide assistance accordingly.

TB8 Smoking hot HYB. 25 year old African American. Will have first meet-and-greet this week. Sugar has only been discussed vaguely, will update you after the meet-and-greet.

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So lost 3, but gained 2 more. Lost some upfront money and wasted a hotel night. Best TiggerBounce opportunity should cum this weekend with TB3. I don't think I confirmed, so will need to work on that.

BigTigg

[Magic Rat]

JDX,

Not to worry. All are welcome here as I am from a little further South of Richmond myself. I'm with you on the sb that shows up being a little chunkier than her pics as that has happened to me a couple times lately. Obviously you have read the reports here. Take advantage of the wisdom of some of the practioneers here. They definitely know what they are doing. I try to follow their advice, but the sb pool is fairly shallow where I live, although I have enjoyed a few successes. Again, welcome to the thread and keep those reports coming.

[Jdx1978]

I've read this forum from cover to cover and have to say that you guys in Richmond have quite a gem on your hands. Long time lurker and long time SD here and I find a new trick or tip every time I check in. I'm practicing our craft a little north of most of you, after having a sb of 18 months in my last city down south. I'm always amazed at the variety of opportunity that we're presented.

I set up my first meet and greet date last week. We met for dinner and she was chunkier than I usually like, but she was eager to vist me later in the notel I had reserved. Since this was the first meet I've set up since moving, any strange was welcome after three months out of the game. Girl was a pleaser and ready to take input anywhere. Fun, but like they say, a little like riding a moped. You don't want your friends to see it. Slipped her $ to help with gas as we left and she texted me the next day, so I think I'll hold her in reserve if I ever get into a pinch.

I was working a new lead for this past weekend, but ended up getting an unfortunate head cold, so strenuous activity was out of the question. She appears to be a very attractive 30-ish MILF. Looking forward to getting a meet and greet set up with her as soon as I've recovered a bit.

Hope you guys don't mind an out of towner like me posting on your thread, but I thought you might appreciate these kind of reports more than our brethren in my home area.

Stay safe out there.

[Golfcart]

(edit delete) (I)t seems most of us follow the "less said about the sugar the better" approach. Interestingly enough, the last two sbs I've met have brought the sugar amount up front and center. (edit delete)

I prefer to slip it into a pocket or purse at the end of the event as others have suggested. (edit delete)

Women are full of guilt over one thing or another. Fucking for money is a head thing. They begin fucking for money in denial by telling themselves something else is really going on. At some point they cross the line from denial and start carrying guilt over really fucking for money along with all the other crap going on in their heads. Such a girl is more likely to price her pussy up front but that is no sign she is comfortable with any of it. She is not. The less said by us is still the better. We can all say things about ourselves we don't want others saying about us.

The head thing is with us also. We can fuck a woman and at the same time disrespect her for fucking us.

[F Scott]

The whole purpose of my posts on that subject were so that you all would take the idea and run with it. Please, by all means, help yourselves. My approach in terms of number of contacts was pretty much to carpet bomb, hoping to hit one or two that would respond favorably in the time frame needed to make arrangements. The nice thing was that once I had a text that I was happy with, I could copy and paste, making one or two specific adjustments to let them know I had actually read their profiles, which I had.

Rat, as for your observations that sometimes you need to be fluid, I concur. But having a consistent approach, ie, the soft-sell, keeps me from being too scattered.

Keep up the good work, gentlemen!

Scott

[Varoom]

Haven't seen Lit post in a couple of weeks. Unusual.

Has anyone heard from him?

[Magic Rat]

After following this forum for the past couple of months, it seems most of us follow the "less said about the sugar the better" approach. Interestingly enough, the last two sbs I've met have brought the sugar amount up front and center. With the sb with the GPS syndrome I mentioned earlier, I decided not to make further contact with her. As Golf has said, if it gets to the negotiating sugar stage, it's a losing proposition all the way around. With the senond sb, she mentioned an exorbitant amount of sugar via an I'm conversation we were having. I just replied that she was above my pay grade and she replied with "you're not even going to make a counter offer?" I told her what I was used to paying and got a message from her about a week later agreeing to my amount. I suppose that is considered negotiating, but it didn't seem to affect the service level at all.

I've had it work both ways honestly, but if sugar is mentioned in advance, the sb always brings it up first. I prefer to slip it into a pocket or purse at the end of the event as others have suggested. That has worked well for me so far in all but one case.

I can't wait to try Scott's approach on out of town visits. I've contacted a few out of town sbs but have never been able to set anything up, although I'm not nearly as smooth as Scott is. Hope it's ok to steal your idea Scott!

[Golfcart]

We're not meeting a girl at a health club. We're meeting her under P4P circumstances where we each out ourselves to the other at the get-go. The big picture is clear. The details are less clear. In this situation I have no risk-aversion. Borrowing a page from the recent political debate over the budget, I don't let the perfect get in the way of the good. I leave well enough alone. I am confident enough with the big picture that the less said about the details the better. So get together and see what happens. I prefer that to broken promises, or keeping a promise myself I regret making. Give things a chance to fall into place naturally without effort. That will find the brass ring on the Merry-Go-Round if it is there rather than chase it away because negotiating like a couple of Pennsylvania lawyers on P4P is abhorrent to a woman's nature, it endangers her self-respect and that is where I become risk-averse. I don't push on a string.

I see the above as Scott's approach with my own twist. Scott is the closest guy to me I have encountered here.

I see negotiation by the guy as the other side of the Golden Pussy Syndrome because it uses money as power over a woman or attempts to. Of course it is inherent power, but it doesn't have to be used this way. Money aka P4P is the enemy. The less said the better.

[F Scott]

I should have said that I only add the "if something more should happen" line if there is an indication in their reply that they would be receptive to that. I found that a couple of my on-the-road sbs wanted to know that there could be sugar at the end of the evening, if they wanted it. Golf, I think you and I share the same outlook on communicating with our potential babies. I never initiate any kind of talk or references to fucking unless they start it first. It is hinted at in my profile text, very subtly, and I find there are only a few that sign up for the site thinking it is a simple dating site. Most know what end is up, but I agree with you that subtlety and grace land more little fish than a blunt approach. Fly fishing vs bait casting.

Keep up the good work, gentlemen.

Scott