"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Norm Gerd]

Hi,

I wanted to thank everyone for their input. Just to clarify a few things, she set the amount. She actually indicated she was willing to haggle a little, but A) I did not want to come off as cheap (I am supposed to be a sugar daddy after all) and B) I was concerned that negotiating would diminish the service and lastly C) I did not want it to be all about the money. Of course, for her, it did turn out to be mostly the money, as we got down to business, she asked me if I had it, but did not ask for it up front. Many of you rent rooms, and that has got to cost at least $50 for a crappy motel, and $100 for somewhere nice, so I also figured I was saving that. Plus, I think she is willing to come to me in the future, which will make things easier since it is a drive to her town. She still has not been back on the SD website, which I take as a positive sign she is not a pro. As to how she came to that amount, I am guessing that since she has danced, she has a inkling of the going rates. During our meet for a drink, the subject of working girls came up in an unrelated fashion, and she was very uncomfortable with the topic. I honestly think she does not see herself as a pro.

As for what I have decided to do, I have refrained from further contact so far this week. As we were parting, she mentioned getting together in a week or two. I told her it would depends on my funds. I don't know if she is waiting on me to contact her or not. Again, she has not logged on to look for anyone else, or even check her mail (I am sure she has plenty). According to her, I was the first guy she met off the site. I do believe that. She was extremely nervous when we met.

So I would see her again, but for now I have decided to pursue more leads on the site, and currently am scheduled to meet another potential SB on Saturday for coffee. We have not discussed any $, and we have not traded pictures. She claims to have been a model, and her description says she is thin. I am also talking to a SB from a free SD website and we are heading in the direction of making a plan to meet. I think this is the best course because NB#1 is sooooo my type (and so freaking hot) I could see getting entangled. So I am breaking from the way I would normally act, and ignoring her. I hope it works. LOL.

I will let you all know how it turns out.

Norm!

[Literal2]

Hmmm. Well, could be, I suppose. Has anyone ever filmed the natural squirt as you describe it?

Thanks for referring me back to the wiki article I referred you to six months ago, Fotog.

Here's a quote from the article about the confusion you describe.

The location of the Skene's gland is the general area of the vulva, glands located on the anterior wall of the vagina around the lower end of the urethra. Some believe that the Skene's glands are the source of female ejaculation. In 2002, Emanuele Jannini of L'Aquila University in Italy showed that there may be an explanation both for the phenomenon and for the frequent denials of its existence. Skene's glands have highly variable anatomy, and in some extreme cases they appear to be absent entirely. If Skene's glands are the cause of female ejaculation and G-Spot-orgasms, this may explain the absence in many women.

It has been demonstrated that a large amount of lubricating fluid ***can be secreted from this gland when stimulated from inside the vagina. Some reports indicate that embarrassment regarding female ejaculation, and the mistaken notion that the substance is urine, can lead to purposeful suppression of sexual climax, leading women to seek medical advice and even undergo surgery to "stop the urine".

Your post describing "milky" fluid probably describes vaginal lubricative fluid which "contains water, pyridine, squalene, urea, acetic acid, lactic acid, complex alcohols and glycols, ketones, and aldehydes."

Sounds pretty tasty to me.

[Literal2]

So, on your next SB date give her about 6 beers and a Magic Wand. I can almost guarantee you will have a water fountain if "water sports" is your thing.

I do know several girls that are real, natural squirters, but the fluid is milky in appearance and comes from G-spot stimulation. Their orgasms are generally very intense and they're very sensitive afterwards.

Hmmm. Well, could be, I suppose. Has anyone ever filmed the natural squirt as you describe it?

[Richmond Fotog]

The biggest confusion and speculations I've heard is whether it's real, fake or a girl simply losing control of her bladder during an orgasm. The porn industry tapped into that awhile back by over-saturating a girl with liquids and diuretics then nailing her with a Magic Wand, Electro-Stim or even a Drilldo.

So, on your next SB date give her about 6 beers and a Magic Wand. I can almost guarantee you will have a water fountain if "water sports" is your thing.

I do know several girls that are real, natural squirters, but the fluid is milky in appearance and comes from G-spot stimulation. Their orgasms are generally very intense and they're very sensitive afterwards.

Additional reading (which may take awhile) :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_ejaculation

If all else fails, go down to Taboo and talk to Alison. She's got a few things in the store that can help out. She can get anything you want. She's currently educating men on the "P-spot." You may find that interesting, too.

The website reference re female ejaculation is interesting. As the comments on the website show, there is a lot of confusion about the subject. Many women seem to be embarrassed by it when it happens, but many men like it.

[Literal2]

The website reference re female ejaculation is interesting. As the comments on the website show, there is a lot of confusion about the subject. Many women seem to be embarrassed by it when it happens, but many men like it.

In my case there were three different types of squirts.

23 year old stripper. Riding me cg, she released a flood which covered my abdomen and thighs and soaked the sheets.

28 year old GF. Under me mish, she also released a flood soaking the sheets.

30 year old sb. The only digital release, knew exactly what she wanted and, after a conventional climax from oral, she lay on her back knees up and continued begging for finger thrusting along the g-spot and pubic bone and coached me thru it until a little spurt of liquid burbled up and she was satisfied.

32 year old sb. Riding me cg she ground against me harder and harder, moaning louder and louder, leaning way back, she finally shrieked and released a long powerful streaming squirt along the length of my body which hit me in the face."Oh!" she said."I'm so sorry!" I tasted some of it inadvertently and it was odorless, clear and not unpleasant.

[Golfcart]

I've never experienced squirting myself and somewhat doubt it is what guys claim it to be. I'll take a look at http://www.sexinfo101.com/pw_femaleejaculation.shtml and thanks Richmond Fotog for the link. I have a good friend who is an OBGYN MD. Maybe I should ask him if there is a medical explanation. Any OBGYN MDs on the Board?

But I have experienced something with two different women I've never seen mentioned on any board. Both had high sex drives and did this all the time. Their vaginas 'crawled' like a snake from deep inside to the front. While it was happening one of them 'quivered' all over, and 'quivered' is the right description, just like a bowl full of jelly. Not shaking like a cold chill, quivered/jelly. Both were MILFs. So much for the HYB's.

[Richmond Fotog]

I disagree you / anyone can make "any" woman squirt. Those that make that claim using various techniques really just made the woman urinate. There's a difference in the type of fluid they ejaculate. How they react during and after is what tells the tale. For the most part, women that know they have this capability also know how to make it happen. Even for those that can there's no promise it happens on every rodeo.

Pay close attention to the second and third paragraphs here:

http://www.sexinfo101.com/pw_femaleejaculation.shtml

Some say you can make any woman squirt with the right tech, but that's not been my experience.

[Magic Rat]

I've had one MILF squirt and it was a huge turnon. It happened both during fucking and with a dildo. With the dildo, when she pulled it out, she squirted about 2-3 feet over and over again until she stopped because she said she was about to pass out. How I miss her!

[JustForKicks]

The problem with fling is they cross advertise their site. I have met about 9 women from there and most of them said they joined richmen. Com which also advertises them on fling as well. So they are unaware of this most of the time being the reason why they are not looking for sex. 80% of the women are not real, and the others are overweight or looking for love.

Dot com- I had one MILF success, but has generally been a bust. Most of the girls seem to be young. 18. 24 yr old. And very few will even answer my query. Even with a good pic posted. Some of the pics are TGTBT and are probably shills $$ does not seem to be the predominant motivation although I'm sure they wouldn't turn down a gift. I think I am too old for this crowd.

My MILF was upper 30's. Prob more like early 40's, beautiful face, chubby body. I'd say she is a 9 face. 5 body. 9 personality. 9 performance. If she lost her baby weight she'd be a 9 across the board. We spent two night together and she was a horndog. And I fucked her brains out. But. After our last night together. She bolted, saying that she was reevaluating her situation (marriage, kids, etc) However, she is still on there anonymously and says she likes young stuff. So who knows? If you are under 40 and run across her she might give you a run.

There is another crossover on Fling who is also on SD, and I can't get her to bite. We have talked back and forth but she is on both sites constantly and says she is a nympho and is a MILF type. Looks pretty hot.

One girl answered me hotly when I offered her some help and said she is not about sex. Really? On a site named Fling? WTF do they think a fling is?

[Hernando]

I believe all women have the ability to squirt. My research shows that the ability depends on a totally relaxed girl who is not afraid of the intensity of that type of orgasm. I would say that Lit is correct for a new partner@10 %. After you get to trust each other then I have had about 30% squirt. My favorite escort has multiple o's but can not tolerate the intensity of manual stimulation so some girls, even experienced ones, don't want to do it. Most all of my squirters have been manual. Maybe my dick isn't long enough to hit the G spot well enough.

[Literal2]

Only four of the 80+ women who've allowed Mr Johnson full access to their vaginas have squirted.

Their ages at the time were: 23, 28, 30 and 32.

In three of the four cases, Mr Johnson caused the squirt. The other case was digital.

The oldest two were sbs, the youngest was a stripper and the 28 year old was my girlfriend (long time ago).

Some say you can make any woman squirt with the right tech, but that's not been my experience.

None was a MILF, but only one was definitely a HYB.

In my case, squirters are averaging 1 out of every 20 girls I have fucked and in each case it only happened once.

I'd be interested in others' experience with this wonderful phenomenon.

[Literal2]

Oh and to answer a previous question about MILF's getting as wet as the young things, I can assure you that they can flood the place with the right inspiration. It's pretty satisfying to see a sb wiping her inner legs with a towel after you've just made out with her and sucked on her tits before the main event. A 43 yo MILF BTW so it is definitely possible. I've had 3 MILF's that get among the wettest women this old monger has ever been with.

Well, Rat, the consensus seems to be that MILFs get just as wet or wetter than HYBs. My assumption may have been wrong, thinking that HYBs are wetter. It wouldn't be my first mistake.

Also, Norm, Golf has a point.

You are less likely to get backblast if you meet her $ expectations. So, I'll modify my suggested approach somewhat but still try to get you back inside the pussy you clearly crave.

Try to avoid sugar talk. If you have to do it, be honest and tell her what your budget is. If you avoid sugar talk until the end of the session, and you think she expects the same amount as before, offer the reduced amount, as I said, but tell her that you want to see her regularly for the reduced amount. If she balks, tell her you'll pay the amount she got the first time, but it will be the last time you see her. If you are willing to risk not fucking her again you can tell her all this upfront and save your money if she declines. Just my opinion.

As before, good luck.

[Hernando]

$ is always the kicker in this process, isn't it? I think we tend to overpay more often than not. This uncertainty going in to a meet with a SB is exciting but disturbing. At least escorts make it clear up front what the sugar and the time period are and hotel is usually included. Therefore I believe your SB who had the exact $ amount and time up front has escorting experience. She may not want to get on the treadmill with multiple guys and is trying to milk one guy (that would be you) for a bigger hit.

IMHO :

$ 300 / hour is a high local escort rate and you should view your SB as just that.an escort. Also keep in mind the cost of hotel, flowers, and other sundries bring the total up. If her needs are simple and she is not greedy then you might be her single client for a while but if she is watching the clock that also confirms her E status. I believe SBs should have minimal time constraints and the fee should be for multiple hours / overnight. If they work strictly on the clock it is escortish. My escort friends charge $800 to 2500 / overnight. I have never been that desperate (or rich) enough to be tempted. One of my SBs charged $100 / session which frequently included an all nighter. She had children and her availablity was spotty and unreliable, but the price was right and she was a pretty good lay.

$300 is usury and gets into that GP Syndrome. I have never fucked a $300 pussy that felt better than a $200 one.

$200. 250 is probably average and reasonable for this area, particularly if time is very flexible. Keep in mind the hotel and sundry cost which brings the grand total to $200-250 plus $100 ($300. 350 / fuck)

< $200 = our goal! With room and all we are still looking at $250 to $300 / fuck. This is all for the uber GFE experience, since escorts can be enjoyed for less. I see some of the ladies on the E sites I mentioned to some of you who charge $300 plus / hour. Good for them if they are getting it but Ican't go there regularly.

My experience: I have a College girl SB SO currently and am loving the relationship. I am by nature a multifucker but am still digging this HYB. She is emptying my sperm ducts and wallet on a 2 to 3 X weekly basis. We negociated the price after she opened the bidding. She did say what she would like to get, so I know her number was based on her projected budget and not escort savvy. The price was basically $175 / all night plus hotel etc. I actually gave her a raise without being asked because I want her to be happy with me. She fucks me to sleep, wakes me up on top of me, and wants to be serviced in the AM. As an older guy I could not keep up with her on a daily basis, so we are doing OK. In the end though I am looking at spending $25000 / year if we stay together. It is cheaper than a wife though, although I have one of those too. This is an expensive hobby men, but I am preaching to the choir. I also know nothing lasts for ever and that I will be back in the pool of horny dudes looking for love with the rest of you.

My recommendation : Let's keep the price down so these ladies don't get GP Syndrome. If you throw a generous tip in their pocketbook at the end of a session, you will never be able to go back because you have set the standard and they know their pussy was worth that to you. I suggest $100 to 200 starting tip. They will fish for more but do you really want to spend a total of $300 to 400 / fuck? I would also recommend demanding an extended session for the $ so that their pussies are not priced at an hourly rate. Again, you can go to your favorite escort for an hour (or 1/2 hour) for less. Let's set high standards for us local Mongers and demand quality for our money! Rah! Rah!

[Magic Rat]

Norm, you're getting great advice from two wise and experienced sds here, even though they differ slightly.

I had a similiar situation early on in my sd "career". A young, very pretty, petite sb and I met up for the meet and greet. The first meeting was lunch and drinks only. We did communicate online and set up a for real meeting a couple weeks later. While a knockout, the sex wasn't off the charts but pretty decent. I slipped what I thought was an appropriate amount of sugar in her back jeans pocket as she left. Well we chat more online and she's having trouble making her car payment, so I agree to meet her halfway to advance her some sugar. Somewhere in the process she mentioned what I had given her before and evidently she was disappointed in the amount. She threw a number out there that, while not extreme, was what I considered way too rich for a fairly short visit, one and done. Since I had advanced her the sugar, we did meet one more time and the sex was worse than the first time. I ended up being out more than my norm, but I also discovered I didn't want to fuck her again. Remember she was young, tight, and pretty. Anyways, there it is and it's worth what you paid for it.

She and one other sb are probably the reasons I've concentrated on MILF's for the past year +, but you guys have given me hope that the young ones can be wild and fun. I just haven't had that experience yet.

Oh and to answer a previous question about MILF's getting as wet as the young things, I can assure you that they can flood the place with the right inspiration. It's pretty satisfying to see a sb wiping her inner legs with a towel after you've just made out with her and sucked on her tits before the main event. A 43 yo MILF BTW so it is definitely possible. I've had 3 MILF's that get among the wettest women this old monger has ever been with.

[Varoom]

TB #5 will be part of an August trip. Again, paying for flight and hotel, but she doesn't want any sugar either, as long as I cover the weekend, wine and dine I can get all the young pu$$why I can handle. She's 32. This will be 2 nights and 1 day of hotel heaven. Total price before meals will be $350. Not a bad deal at all.

TB #7 will be here this month for hot TiggerChamber session, looks like 4 to 5 hours of the TiggerBounce. She's 23, and just wants to have fun, no sugar required. By the time I pay for the flight ($150) and room ($100) , I'm paying normal rates anyway. I'm really looking forward to this one. She will be the youngest.

Even though neither one of TB5 or 7 are saying that they are looking for sugar, (just wine, dine and dick) I would recommend sending them home with some foldin money in their purse anyway. In the interest of nurturing a longer term meets with either of these gals, I would make sure that you did more than they expected. A weekend away is a pretty sweet gig but you don't want them coming up with sb remorse after the trip. Hence the suggestion of a few Franklin's anyway, so that they can later splurge on something and remember where it came from. All assuming that at the end of the w / e you wish for there to be more of the same with the lady.