"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Literal2]

Ah, it's a wonderful hobby.

Golf is experienced and has made many informative observations on this thread and elsewhere. I know a few things myself. In this case, I think he and I differ in our views. I think there is still hope you will get what you want as long as you avoid talking about money. Golf seems dubious that this is the girl for you.

In any case, Norm, let us know what happens and GOOD LUCK!

[Golfcart]

Norm found her on a SB site. She was up front about her donation (escort higher end) (more than Norm's comfort level). They met, she was Grade A Prime and Norm got laid, but he has questions. She was short on time and will make it up to Norm next time. She didn't bring the condom. She said she not dating and is looking for just one Norm.

Norm, my observations:

She sounds like a girl who is looking to cover her rent or car payment. I speculate she may have a friend who is an internet escort and is aware of the side effects of that life which she wants to avoid. A lot of this goes on. She sounds smart for 21.

I almost always see a girl a second time at least. More often than not the second time confirms the first.

No matter how good, how exciting, things settle in and eventually it gets old where the only hold is sex.

She's not what Norm is looking for and Norm is not what she is looking for. There is no future unless the parties accommodate each other naturally without working at it and the culture must be a good fit. The culture was right but she was short on time their first time (Norm that is a real bad sign) and more money than Norm had in mind (a real bad sign). This is not the parties accommodating each other naturally without working at it. I've never seen extra time except in the early stages.

So Norm, call it a day. Do not call to explain. She will get it.

If you must, being so hot and all, okay, see her once more, then call it a day. At the set up make sure she has the time available. This is not negotiable. Give her what you gave her last time. You set that tone. Anything less would be power and control. But there is no point in meeting if there is power and control by her over her time. Say nothing about this being the end. If there is any clock watching the second time that things are being cut short, leave on the spot before the blessed event happens and say nothing, and do not leave her any money.

[Literal2]

We discussed earlier on this thread that sb's are running an auction market. She has no reason to accept a low bid for access to her pussy when a higher bid is available. This is unlike escorts who have a business reputation to maintain.

The fact is a hot sb can get fucked by the first man she meets when she walks out the door if she wants to. A MILF might have to walk all the way to the corner before she finds a horny guy to fuck her but it won't take long.

If you negotiate too good a deal with an sb, she will break it.

I think its better not to discuss sugar in advance with sbs. At the end of the session, slip some sugar into her purse. If you want to see her again, give her a premium. If you don't care, just give what you think is fair and what will keep her off your back. (See Golfcart's previous posts for how to handle sugar in a classy way, for those who are interested.)

(All "tech advisories" are strictly just my opinion, no offense intended to those with other views.)

[Literal2]

My little head did all the thinking from then on out, and after spending some time having a drink, we went back to her place. While she did not rush me, there was a time constraint (hers not mine) and she was very safety conscious as well, meaning CBJ. Not too thrilling for me, and I think she knew it because we switch to something else after about 30 seconds of that. Also, because of the time situation she told me she would "make it up to me next time".

Inmo, this could possibly be a sign of a pro, but just as likely an amateur nervous about getting a strange guy's semen down her throat or up her pussy. The fact you had a drink with her first and went to her place suggest a non-pro to me.

Now some additional facts for your consideration:

1) Age is 21.

2) She dances, but apparently its only once in a while. Maybe one night a month at most. Does not dance where she lives, but closer to me actually.

3) Has a full time job and says she goes to school. Her Facebook page verifies that (which I located through her email. Thanks to whoever gave that tip.)

4) She says she only wants one SD, and is up for meeting as often as I would like (but at her rate for me that will not be often). This was verified to some extent by the fact that she has not logged on to the SD site since our meeting.

5) She says once she gets to know me she will be comfortable with BBBJ.

6) I don't think she is a pro. For instance she did not have condoms. We were going to stop at the store, but luckily, I found a couple in my car.

All of the above suggest non-pro to me.

Should I make the next contact or should I wait for her to contact me? I think if I wait for her, perhaps I can get a little leverage on the rate? I think $$ or $$.5 would allow me to see her 3-4 times a month.

Any other constructive criticism would be welcome. I want to see her again for sure.

Norm, this girl is hot and you want badly to fuck her again. You don't want to spend too much. If she's not a pro she will be nervous about calling you up. She may do it, but why wait? I think if I were you I'd call her up and ask to get together but avoid discussing sugar. At the end of the session, give her the amount you want to. If she questions it, just say its what you can afford if you are going to see her regularly. If she wants one sd, you have given her that option. In addition, you have fucked her again. If she says its not enough, you can let her walk away and call her up later to try to change her mind. Anyway, that's my view.

[Literal2]

So had to drop TB#1, she was all about money. I did a quick test to see if she knew how to appreciate a SD and she failed. Gave her a little in advance, and before that money got cold, literally less that 24 hours, she was asking for more. Asking to work off more before she had even worked of the pre-payment. It's a shame, she had such potential. Overall I paid for much less than I received. And if I were stupid, she would have taken me for much more.

Although many of us have sugared up a baby in advance, including me, the general opinion of the practice is that it's risky, as your experience indicates. I won't do it anymore.

TB#2 is coming along great. Had 3rd date, not "taste of heaven" yet. But the investment is paying off. Have agreed to a monthly amount that is too low to mention in the forum, because some jealous newbie would give me grief over it. One low monthly amount and all the younger pu$$y that I can handle (based on hotel rates of course).

I'll be interested to see how this turns out for you BT. I found that when a babe seems like she's available for a discount, she may not show up at all. Let us know what happens. If you are successful, you'll get our congratulations. If you fail, we appreciate learning from you and nobody who's a regular on this thread hassles a fellow sb monger who discloses failure so other mongers may learn.

TB #5 will be part of an August trip. Again, paying for flight and hotel, but she doesn't want any sugar either, as long as I cover the weekend, wine and dine I can get all the young pu$$why I can handle. She's 32. This will be 2 nights and 1 day of hotel heaven. Total price before meals will be $350. Not a bad deal at all.

TB #7 will be here this month for hot TiggerChamber session, looks like 4 to 5 hours of the TiggerBounce. She's 23, and just wants to have fun, no sugar required. By the time I pay for the flight ($150) and room ($100) , I'm paying normal rates anyway. I'm really looking forward to this one. She will be the youngest.

Good luck BT. If you pull these off, you will be some kind of champion of a new style of sb negotiation. Let us know how these work out so we can learn from your experience, which is what this thread is all about.

[Literal2]

So first off, did I overpay? It have read this whole thread, and I really have not gotten a sense of what everyone else is paying. I think I am probably on the high end. Especially in light of CBJ. But I keep trying to remind myself that its not an escort situation. I am actually looking for someone to see regularly, so that may be worth a little more.

Should I make the next contact or should I wait for her to contact me? I think if I wait for her, perhaps I can get a little leverage on the rate? I think $$ or $$.5 would allow me to see her 3-4 times a month.

Any other constructive criticism would be welcome. I want to see her again for sure.

Norm!

Your baby sounds hot as hell so congratulations and good future fucking. Dancers have those firm bodies. I probably overpay for my sbs because I want them to look forward to seeing me again, old, fat and bald as I may be. I've only discussed sugar in advance with a few sbs. I just put what I feel like giving them in their purse at the end of the session. If I like her and want to see her again I give her about what I'd give a higher end escort. I'm sure I could get laid for less by some SW but I'm not interested.

[CiceroGolden]

"Also, because of the time situation she told me she would "make it up to me next time".

Yes, this is the sound of a pro. I've been given this line by a pro in Las Vegas who I no longer see. It's equivalent to an upsell.

Unless she overwhelms in performance and personality (along with the looks) , move on.

[BigTigger]

Norm.

I'm knew to this myself. $$$ is a little high, but if she's that hot, then you are doing fine. Especially since you did not have to pay for a hotel. That makes up the difference big time. If I were you and you could afford $250 3 to 4 times a month. I'd negotiate a monthly rate and try to stay in the $500-$600 range. And negotiate that with a minimum amount of meetings. Yes it's not the same amount per meeting, but it's consistent and should be appreciated for that. Again I'm new, but that's my. 02 cents.

Greeting all, thanks for the great thread. Inspired by the members here, I joined a site to meet SBs. It is not one mentioned often (or at all here) but seems exactly like the ones you all use. I made contact with one who lives about 45 minutes away. There are not a lot of quality SBs on this site in my area. Anyhow, after sending the mandatory pic (I get that request 100% of the time) we agreed to meet for a "get to know you" session. When I indicated I was pretty sure I did not need the "get to know you part" as she looked hot in her pics, so told me we should still meet up because she wanted to be sure, (in hindsight I think to be sure I was not LE more than anything else). She also told me how much cash to bring if I wanted to have fun that night ($$$). I was unsure because when I did the math, hotel room plus drinks plus her requested amount is a lot more than I wanted to spend. Frankly, that amount is escort territory. But I decided I could always bail and made the drive. Well when she showed up, this girl was way hotter than her pics. A solid 8. 5, maybe higher with an absolutely gorgeous face and a great little petite body. My little head did all the thinking from then on out, and after spending some time having a drink, we went back to her place. While she did not rush me, there was a time constraint (hers not mine) and she was very safety conscious as well, meaning CBJ. Not too thrilling for me, and I think she knew it because we switch to something else after about 30 seconds of that. Also, because of the time situation she told me she would "make it up to me next time". Now some additional facts for your consideration:

1) Age is 21.

2) She dances, but apparently its only once in a while. Maybe one night a month at most. Does not dance where she lives, but closer to me actually.

3) Has a full time job and says she goes to school. Her Facebook page verifies that (which I located through her email. Thanks to whoever gave that tip.)

4) She says she only wants one SD, and is up for meeting as often as I would like (but at her rate for me that will not be often). This was verified to some extent by the fact that she has not logged on to the SD site since our meeting.

5) She says once she gets to know me she will be comfortable with BBBJ.

6) I don't think she is a pro. For instance she did not have condoms. We were going to stop at the store, but luckily, I found a couple in my car.

7) I really cannot overstate how hot she is. When she stripped down in her bedroom, it took my breath away. Sexy underwear to boot.

8) For the most part really seemed to have her sh*t together, especially given the curveballs life has thrown her.

9) Claims she is not dating anyone for personal reasons (last bf was a real loser apparently)

So first off, did I overpay? It have read this whole thread, and I really have not gotten a sense of what everyone else is paying. I think I am probably on the high end. Especially in light of CBJ. But I keep trying to remind myself that its not an escort situation. I am actually looking for someone to see regularly, so that may be worth a little more.

Should I make the next contact or should I wait for her to contact me? I think if I wait for her, perhaps I can get a little leverage on the rate? I think $$ or $$.5 would allow me to see her 3-4 times a month.

Any other constructive criticism would be welcome. I want to see her again for sure.

Norm!

[BigTigger]

So had to drop TB#1, she was all about money. I did a quick test to see if she knew how to appreciate a SD and she failed. Gave her a little in advance, and before that money got cold, literally less that 24 hours, she was asking for more. Asking to work off more before she had even worked of the pre-payment. It's a shame, she had such potential. Overall I paid for much less than I received. And if I were stupid, she would have taken me for much more.

TB#2 is coming along great. Had 3rd date, not "taste of heaven" yet. But the investment is paying off. Have agreed to a monthly amount that is too low to mention in the forum, because some jealous newbie would give me grief over it. One low monthly amount and all the younger pu$$y that I can handle (based on hotel rates of course).

TB#3 I passed on her. She just seem a bit out of my range at the moment.

TB#4 had some moral rule against giving up the goods on the first date, which I knew was a lie. She just wasn't quite ready to cheat on her hubby and it showed. I tried to press the issue, but being the nice guy that I am, I never force. So as I expected, after she drove back, the contact has been limited and looks like that's money wasted. At least it was a small amount $. But she has not answered a call in the last 3 days, so that's young pu$$y that I'll not get to taste.

TB #5 will be part of an August trip. Again, paying for flight and hotel, but she doesn't want any sugar either, as long as I cover the weekend, wine and dine I can get all the young pu$$y I can handle. She's 32. This will be 2 nights and 1 day of hotel heaven.. Total price before meals will be $350. Not a bad deal at all.

TB #7 will be here this month for hot TiggerChamber session, looks like 4 to 5 hours of the TiggerBounce!. She's 23, and just wants to have fun, no sugar required. By the time I pay for the flight ($150) and room ($100) , I'm paying normal rates anyway. I'm really looking forward to this one. She will be the youngest.

So I lost 2, passed on 1, 1 main SB (TB#2) and 2 of the 3 travelers are on the way within 40 days. All this was done with SDDie. It's a no frills site, but very effective.

All in all mongers, remember that sometimes you have to take a risk (money wise), but even in risk set your boundary and set you walk away amount.

Happy Hunting.

BigTigg

[Norm Gerd]

Greeting all, thanks for the great thread. Inspired by the members here, I joined a site to meet SBs. It is not one mentioned often (or at all here) but seems exactly like the ones you all use. I made contact with one who lives about 45 minutes away. There are not a lot of quality SBs on this site in my area. Anyhow, after sending the mandatory pic (I get that request 100% of the time) we agreed to meet for a "get to know you" session. When I indicated I was pretty sure I did not need the "get to know you part" as she looked hot in her pics, so told me we should still meet up because she wanted to be sure, (in hindsight I think to be sure I was not LE more than anything else). She also told me how much cash to bring if I wanted to have fun that night ($$$). I was unsure because when I did the math, hotel room plus drinks plus her requested amount is a lot more than I wanted to spend. Frankly, that amount is escort territory. But I decided I could always bail and made the drive. Well when she showed up, this girl was way hotter than her pics. A solid 8. 5, maybe higher with an absolutely gorgeous face and a great little petite body. My little head did all the thinking from then on out, and after spending some time having a drink, we went back to her place. While she did not rush me, there was a time constraint (hers not mine) and she was very safety conscious as well, meaning CBJ. Not too thrilling for me, and I think she knew it because we switch to something else after about 30 seconds of that. Also, because of the time situation she told me she would "make it up to me next time". Now some additional facts for your consideration:

1) Age is 21.

2) She dances, but apparently its only once in a while. Maybe one night a month at most. Does not dance where she lives, but closer to me actually.

3) Has a full time job and says she goes to school. Her Facebook page verifies that (which I located through her email. Thanks to whoever gave that tip.)

4) She says she only wants one SD, and is up for meeting as often as I would like (but at her rate for me that will not be often). This was verified to some extent by the fact that she has not logged on to the SD site since our meeting.

5) She says once she gets to know me she will be comfortable with BBBJ.

6) I don't think she is a pro. For instance she did not have condoms. We were going to stop at the store, but luckily, I found a couple in my car.

7) I really cannot overstate how hot she is. When she stripped down in her bedroom, it took my breath away. Sexy underwear to boot.

8) For the most part really seemed to have her sh*t together, especially given the curveballs life has thrown her.

9) Claims she is not dating anyone for personal reasons (last bf was a real loser apparently)

So first off, did I overpay? It have read this whole thread, and I really have not gotten a sense of what everyone else is paying. I think I am probably on the high end. Especially in light of CBJ. But I keep trying to remind myself that its not an escort situation. I am actually looking for someone to see regularly, so that may be worth a little more.

Should I make the next contact or should I wait for her to contact me? I think if I wait for her, perhaps I can get a little leverage on the rate? I think $$ or $$.5 would allow me to see her 3-4 times a month.

Any other constructive criticism would be welcome. I want to see her again for sure.

Norm!

[Literal2]

If you do it properly, you can reap the rewards of meeting her friends and she remains monogamous to you. If you need some pointers, let me know. .

I think this means Fotog has done this.

While I don't want to discourage pms to Fotog, I would like to say that several mongers have posted checklists on this thread re how to find and fuck girls from the sb sites and also the AM site.

If Fotog is willing to post how to do it, it would be really interesting to read how to meet a girl "for a LTR "arrangement" without having to use a website and without having to pay a girl cash money every time they see her" and "reap the rewards of meeting her friends and she remains monogamous to you."

Over to you Fotog. Your constructive and informative posts are welcome.

[Literal2]

Some of these comments and posts here are amusing. There needs to be a "tech advisory" for the SD's.

If you think these "young babes" are the only women who get wet, aroused, squirt, etc you'd be dead wrong. Women of various ages are capable of the same if not better. In case you didn't know, women don't get into their sexual prime until they're beyond the "young babe" stage.

I am still waiting on someone to say they actually met a girl for a LTR "arrangement" without having to use a website and without having to pay a girl cash money every time they see her. If you do it properly, you can reap the rewards of meeting her friends and she remains monogamous to you. If you need some pointers, let me know. .

Some of the comments and posts here are supposed to be amusing, Fotog. That's the point. We're talking about pussies, orgasms, hard young bodies, finding girls, seducing girls, multifucking, categorizing sugarbabies and so on. It's supposed to be fun, and a lot of it is informative as well. You aren't supposed to take it 100% seriously. Nobody claims its the only way to go. If you think MILFs squirt further than HYBs, fine. We'd be interested to hear your views.

If you want someone to say "they actually met a girl for a LTR "arrangement" without having to use a website *" etc, why don't you say it yourself? It doesn't sound unusual to me and if you've done something like that once or a dozen times and want to talk about it, go ahead.

In fact, I encourage everybody who wants to learn from Fotog to contact him and get the benefit of his experience.

As for me, I'm continuing to have fun with my sbs and find the relationships satisfactory. But I thank you for your offer.

I do have a request, Fotog:

I would prefer it, and I believe there are others who would also prefer it, if you would make your posts on this thread without the contemptuous and condescending tone. Otherwise, what is currently a rather lighthearted and mutually supportive discussion will degenerate rapidly.

[CiceroGolden]

I just joined SD4ME, inspired by this discussion. I live in Las Vegas, which is a weird town for escorting. Two tiers, the DDG types for the traveling high rollers who somehow don't know they can get an escort where they live. Then there's the local economy with 15% unemployment; many escorts are flakes, upsells and robs. The clients don't have the dough to support them.

Anyway, on SB4Me; is it suggested to get "Total Access" so all the women can receive posts? Or is standard silver / gold level sufficient?

[Richmond Fotog]

Some of these comments and posts here are amusing. There needs to be a "tech advisory" for the SD's.

If you think these "young babes" are the only women who get wet, aroused, squirt, etc you'd be dead wrong. Women of various ages are capable of the same if not better. In case you didn't know, women don't get into their sexual prime until they're beyond the "young babe" stage.

I am still waiting on someone to say they actually met a girl for a LTR "arrangement" without having to use a website and without having to pay a girl cash money every time they see her. If you do it properly, you can reap the rewards of meeting her friends and she remains monogamous to you. If you need some pointers, let me know. .

Do MILFs vaginas get as wet as HYBs? I think not.

[Madaboutmax]

This thread continues to be a fascinating read. I've now found three SB's on the site that also know as strippers. As discussed before, there is crossover in this category.

My current favorite SB is 35 years old and used to be a dancer but isn't any longer. I met her as a customer at a club and went from there. She is bi-sexual and we have a lot of fun going to clubs and trying to pick HYB's. She is very sexy with a hot body herself, but is old enough to be both comfortable and experienced in her sexuality.

We have a 23 year HYB set up to meet with us next week. It is amzing how many of these girls are bi and bringing another woman into the arrangement seems to put them at ease. God, I love womend.