"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Literal2]

My experience, with the stripper type SB, has been that the retired, or soon to retire. 30 something girls tend to be the best. Old enough to not have unrealistic expectations on the value of their kitty, but young enough to still be hot and fun. I have 4 long term dancer / SB's that I have been with for over a year that range from 30 to early 40's.

I still enjoy chasing the hot 20 somethings, but they are flaky, full of drama, and lack skills in the bedroom. I guess I'm still chasing holy grail of SB's: " A hot 20 something body, with the sex drive of a 30 year old, the skills of a 40 year old and the grattitude of a 50 year old."

I found it took a long time and much moola spent in the VIP to develop relationships with strippers. As I posted earlier, I've had a total of four of these over the years. One was 22 with two kids and was looking for a nest but gave me the best BJ of my life. One was 19 and beautiful but wild beyond belief in her personal behavior and was self destructive. Both of these were short term affairs. Two older strippers, early thirties, lasted longer. One was engaged but after warning me not to get involved proceeded to get involved and cling. The other would not let me penetrate her with a condom on so there was a lot of HJ action. I will not bareback with any of these girls. One day she told me she could give me a child. I said no thanks. I saw her again a year later and she had her child, by another sc patron. Whew.

Earlier discussion on here about strippers concerned how hard is to fuck them. Some had my experience which was it takes a lot of warm up. Others seemed to be able to accelerate the process even avoiding buying any dances.

One great thing about dancers is you can check them out pretty thoroughly before you meet them alone and many have great bodies.

In recent years when I go to an sc, which isn't that often anymore, I try to spot the girls who will release you inside the club. This is less complicated for me, anyway. Others may have different experiences.

[Mrlefty]

So how did it go?

Delayed (my side, work). Should happen soon.

[Literal2]

Not much to tell.

Simple ad. Daddy looking for sugar (Baby). You need to enjoy life. Find someone that can invest in you. Blah blah blah.

2 ads over a couple of days. Got phone number verified by CL after that. So, I will either do the next from the coffee shop or hurry up and get the debit card.

Early 20s to early 30s. All looking for a little extra. One keeps sending me pictures of her naked, supposedly masterbating thinking about me.

We'll see. Today's the day.

By the way, no pics supplied to any. No phone numbers either. Just their fantasy. I tell them I am fat an ugly. .

So how did it go?

[Literal2]

Question. Do you guys do a phone verify before you meet?

If so, what do you talk about?

I always have at least one phone call."Just calling to get acquainted."

[Madaboutmax]

I agree the younger ones are flakier, but I've found the older ones ask more questions. Not sure if thats a trend or not.

My experience, with the stripper type SB, has been that the retired, or soon to retire. 30 something girls tend to be the best. Old enough to not have unrealistic expectations on the value of their kitty, but young enough to still be hot and fun. I have 4 long term dancer / SB's that I have been with for over a year that range from 30 to early 40's.

I still enjoy chasing the hot 20 somethings, but they are flaky, full of drama, and lack skills in the bedroom. I guess I'm still chasing holy grail of SB's: " A hot 20 something body, with the sex drive of a 30 year old, the skills of a 40 year old and the grattitude of a 50 year old."

[Mrlefty]

Question. Do you guys do a phone verify before you meet?

If so, what do you talk about?

[Literal2]

Hey guys. I've been reading this thread with much interest as I have dabbled in the SD / SB world off and on for a little over 2 years now. I'm not from your area. A much smaller place so the numbers of potential sbs aren't what I'm reading here. Mostly I've done the sd4me site, but about a month ago I joined the SA site.

I've had a few "one and dones" but 3 regular gigs that have all ended for one reason or another. All mine but one have been with sbs from outside my hometown. It takes some doing but at least I feel comfortable no one I know is going to see me coming out of a hotel at 4pm.

I've met 2 sbs from the SA site thus far. The first meeting ended up in a hotel room, where she told me she hadn't had sex in several months and acted like it. The second was in a restaurant with a 23 yo hottie, but I don't think is going anywhere. I'm actually seeing the first one again next week.

I enjoy the thread and learning some new techniques. It does take some effort, but in my case, generally the sex has been awesome. I've seen mostly older women (early 40's) and maybe they're more appreciative or something. The young ones are flakier and I have a more difficult time relating to them seems like. Not giving up on the young babes mind you. Just haven't had as good experiences yet as I have with the MILFs.

Thanks to the contributors here. It's been fun and informative. I'll try to share some of my successes, and failures, as well.

I agree the younger ones are flakier, but I've found the older ones ask more questions. Not sure if thats a trend or not.

[Literal2]

Not much to tell.

We'll see. Today's the day.

By the way, no pics supplied to any. No phone numbers either. Just their fantasy. I tell them I am fat an ugly. .

Good luck.

[Magic Rat]

Hey guys. I've been reading this thread with much interest as I have dabbled in the SD / SB world off and on for a little over 2 years now. I'm not from your area. A much smaller place so the numbers of potential sbs aren't what I'm reading here. Mostly I've done the sd4me site, but about a month ago I joined the SA site.

I've had a few "one and dones" but 3 regular gigs that have all ended for one reason or another. All mine but one have been with sbs from outside my hometown. It takes some doing but at least I feel comfortable no one I know is going to see me coming out of a hotel at 4pm.

I've met 2 sbs from the SA site thus far. The first meeting ended up in a hotel room, where she told me she hadn't had sex in several months and acted like it. The second was in a restaurant with a 23 yo hottie, but I don't think is going anywhere. I'm actually seeing the first one again next week.

I enjoy the thread and learning some new techniques. It does take some effort, but in my case, generally the sex has been awesome. I've seen mostly older women (early 40's) and maybe they're more appreciative or something. The young ones are flakier and I have a more difficult time relating to them seems like. Not giving up on the young babes mind you. Just haven't had as good experiences yet as I have with the MILFs.

Thanks to the contributors here. It's been fun and informative. I'll try to share some of my successes, and failures, as well.

[Mrlefty]

Not much to tell.

Simple ad. Daddy looking for sugar (Baby). You need to enjoy life. Find someone that can invest in you. Blah blah blah.

2 ads over a couple of days. Got phone number verified by CL after that. So, I will either do the next from the coffee shop or hurry up and get the debit card.

Early 20s to early 30s. All looking for a little extra. One keeps sending me pictures of her naked, supposedly masterbating thinking about me.

We'll see. Today's the day.

By the way, no pics supplied to any. No phone numbers either. Just their fantasy. I tell them I am fat an ugly. .

[Literal2]

Hi guys,

I really appreciate the views we are all providing. But, I think we should just take it for what we're paying for them generally. And just get back to discussions about how to best "arrange" "sugarbabies."

I, for one, until I get a chance to get a prepaid debit card, have been resulting to the "ol" Craigslist. 2 ads. 5 women. Not stunners. But all ready to go.

Meeting first one tomorrow. No discussion of sugar. Lots of discussion about how they will make me happy. Some nude pics. Just not perfect enough to feel real.

I'll let you know.

P. S. LONG time lurker. In DC. Reading this discussion because it's amazing and exactly what I'm into. So, thank you all for your insights.

Sounds interesting Lefty. I'd love to know more about the ads. Two ads 5 women, wow.

[Literal2]

Gentlemen,

Imagine my surprise and amusement when I logged on to see what Literal and the rest of you had been up to and I find that my innocent post has stirred up a hornet's nest of controversy. I will attempt to clarify my remarks and then perhaps desist from posting here in the future.

My intention in commenting that many of these babies use a traceable name, picture or the like was two-fold; first, as Questor surmises, I was warning us all that in the age of digital information, almost anyone can find supposedly hidden or private information about you. I have set up an email account using my SD "name" so that anyone searching that name could only find information that I have put there. Seems only like common sense. Secondly, my comment about their naivety in using traceable information was to illustrate that the majority of these young women are, in fact, amateurs and not pros. Something we are all in search of.

I have never disclosed that I found out any information about them when we meet. I agree with you, Literal, that would just be cruel, probably freak them out, and be counterproductive to the stated goal. Fucking them. I find, for me, that it helps me to assure myself that they are not providers in the literal sense.

In terms of the "beginnings of a bond" comment, the bond I was referring to was one of a mutual sharing of a level of personal information. Their profiles on the sb sites are what they have crafted, as real or as fantastical as they want. When they email me off-site, a real name is always given, and an email that corroborates that is often used as well. Again, an indication of a level of trust in you; you have cleared the first hurdle, so to speak.

I am not a stalker, Literal, nor am I a student "playing games". I was merely sharing my thoughts about the process with similarly-interested hobbyists. There is nothing like this where I am from. Most of my compatriots are obsessing over BP ads from providers of dubious quality. The only thing I want to catch is a home run ball at Wrigley field.

As for my fake profile, I feel I gleaned and shared valuable and helpful information from it. If any of you have been inconvenienced by my lack of response to your contacts to me, I apologize, and offer this slight consolation: you wouldn't have gotten anywhere with me anyway. You all have penises.

In closing, I offer this last warning, and then a parting comment. I received a picture off-site from someone I contacted on SA that somehow didn't seem quite right. I tin-eyed it. No hits. My browser said it had been scanned for viruses and none were found. Still, my spidey-sense was tingling. I then right-clicked and looked at the image information, and it turned out it was html code, and thus probably some sort of trojan or other malicious intrusion. Before you download anything sent to you, check it every which-way.

Now, to you, Literal. In my experience, every chat room, forum or other internet-based discussion group a "barn boss" emerges. My excuses to the rest of you earnest sd's, but that clearly is you. I am sorry to have intruded on you turf. I enjoy reading of your exploits, and will continue to do so, but will henceforth refrain from stealing focus.

All my best to you all, and keep up the good work.

Sincerely,

Scott

Perhaps I overreacted in this hall of mirrors.

If so, I apologize.

That's useful information about downloading pix.

Didn't mean / don't want to be barn boss.

Be well.

[F Scott]

Gentlemen,

Imagine my surprise and amusement when I logged on to see what Literal and the rest of you had been up to and I find that my innocent post has stirred up a hornet's nest of controversy. I will attempt to clarify my remarks and then perhaps desist from posting here in the future.

My intention in commenting that many of these babies use a traceable name, picture or the like was two-fold; first, as Questor surmises, I was warning us all that in the age of digital information, almost anyone can find supposedly hidden or private information about you. I have set up an email account using my SD "name" so that anyone searching that name could only find information that I have put there. Seems only like common sense. Secondly, my comment about their naivety in using traceable information was to illustrate that the majority of these young women are, in fact, amateurs and not pros. Something we are all in search of.

I have never disclosed that I found out any information about them when we meet. I agree with you, Literal, that would just be cruel, probably freak them out, and be counterproductive to the stated goal. Fucking them. I find, for me, that it helps me to assure myself that they are not providers in the literal sense.

In terms of the "beginnings of a bond" comment, the bond I was referring to was one of a mutual sharing of a level of personal information. Their profiles on the sb sites are what they have crafted, as real or as fantastical as they want. When they email me off-site, a real name is always given, and an email that corroborates that is often used as well. Again, an indication of a level of trust in you; you have cleared the first hurdle, so to speak.

I am not a stalker, Literal, nor am I a student "playing games". I was merely sharing my thoughts about the process with similarly-interested hobbyists. There is nothing like this where I am from. Most of my compatriots are obsessing over BP ads from providers of dubious quality. The only thing I want to catch is a home run ball at Wrigley field.

As for my fake profile, I feel I gleaned and shared valuable and helpful information from it. If any of you have been inconvenienced by my lack of response to your contacts to me, I apologize, and offer this slight consolation: you wouldn't have gotten anywhere with me anyway. You all have penises.

In closing, I offer this last warning, and then a parting comment. I received a picture off-site from someone I contacted on SA that somehow didn't seem quite right. I tin-eyed it. No hits. My browser said it had been scanned for viruses and none were found. Still, my spidey-sense was tingling. I then right-clicked and looked at the image information, and it turned out it was html code, and thus probably some sort of trojan or other malicious intrusion. Before you download anything sent to you, check it every which-way.

Now, to you, Literal. In my experience, every chat room, forum or other internet-based discussion group a "barn boss" emerges. My excuses to the rest of you earnest sd's, but that clearly is you. I am sorry to have intruded on you turf. I enjoy reading of your exploits, and will continue to do so, but will henceforth refrain from stealing focus.

All my best to you all, and keep up the good work.

Sincerely,

Scott

[Mrlefty]

Just my views.

Hi guys,

I really appreciate the views we are all providing. But, I think we should just take it for what we're paying for them generally. And just get back to discussions about how to best "arrange" "sugarbabies."

I, for one, until I get a chance to get a prepaid debit card, have been resulting to the "ol" Craigslist. 2 ads. 5 women. Not stunners. But all ready to go.

Meeting first one tomorrow. No discussion of sugar. Lots of discussion about how they will make me happy. Some nude pics. Just not perfect enough to feel real.

I'll let you know.

P. S. LONG time lurker. In DC. Reading this discussion because it's amazing and exactly what I'm into. So, thank you all for your insights.

[Literal2]

F. Scott wrote, regarding tracing sbs true identity, that it was:

"a huge turn on"

"beginnings of a bond"

and

"so many babies, so little time"

Why is it a huge turn on or beginning of a bond to uncover a sb's or any utr's true identity?

Why this enthusiam for zeroing in so cruelly on the little sparrow in her secret nest?

Inmo, all a monger should want is a fuck. In exchange, I believe he should give young women orgasms and some bucks or other material gifts.

Turned on by identification? Sounds like stalking to me.

Just my views.