"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Literal2]

SB14 has now reconfirmed this afternoon's hotel room meet two more times. Still no discussion of dinero. I sure hope she has long legs to wrap around my hips, a sweet mouth to suck on my tongue while we're fucking and a deep vagina so cumming inside her will be pleasurable for me. But I don't know. I've never seen her before. Maybe she'll look like a dog.

SB13 has confirmed tomorrow's meet and greet. Chances are revised upwards to 65 percent that I'll fuck her within the next week or two (but not tomorrow). Only one sb has walked away after meeting me, old, bald and fat as I am. That was SB3.

I'm jamming SB16 a little bit, reminding her of how much the hotel room costs to pressure her from the bar where she wants to meet on Saturday up to the room where I can unwrap her and finger her pussy for a while before deciding how I want to fuck her. But this may fall through. I can't be sure she'll even show up.

And as for sb3, there have been additional emails from her today, after a long period in which I didn't hear anything from her. She says she'll come to my hotel next weekend if I get to her area. I'm thinking about it. She is so unreliable, but she has nice ta tas and a big round butt. I'll bet she cums hard. I may try to find out.

Yes, this is a lot of work I know. But I don't mind it too much.

[Varoom]

Ha ha. No thanks.

All I will say is that my profile is short, sweet and positive. Give it a shot, see what happens Vroom.

Lit:

Just to be clear, I am not asking you to "out" your own personal profile here. Just possibly compose a sample. But I understand any reluctance to do so.

Actually with the one that I wrote, it seems to be drawing plenty of hits even though many are for age ranges outside of the one that I posted. (54. Which is younger than actual age based on your advice) , and most are "GU"; Geographiclly Undesirable. Outside of an area that I would consider traveling for a SB. Which frankly isn't too far for me, as I wouldn't go more than a 100 mi radius for me. I figure if I can't get laid properly within 100 mile radius then I can't get laid. Which hasn't been an issue to date, just not with SB's.

Another angle that I have cultivated similar to SB's, are dancers. Not the avg ones but those that seem to have their act somewhat together. Void of chemcials, or at least any hardcore habits, that like to hook-up for private parties outside of the establishment. I know this is not the same thing but it functions as such for me. A little more personal contact than a typical escort (also cheaper) and an ongoing fuck if I want it. The crop of a few that I have cultivated here are early to mid 30's and fine in the specimen and performance dept. Just another angle that seems to be much easier than the legwork of finding the gals like Lit and the gang are doing.

One more thing Lit. Even though you deny this, you are surely the gold standard here amongst those of us that post in this thread. No harm no foul that you have SB's not following thru to meetting, (or meating) , it is the fact that you others that are readily plugged into the matrix to replace the dead wood. That my friend. Is impressive. Anyone who has 16 or 17 SB's is the "TRUE SD" in my book. Cheers to Lit2. Varoom.

[Literal2]

Speaking of profile being short and positive, could you give an example of what is in your profile? I had looked at a few SD ads but not knowing what works and doesn't it was hard to determine. Since you have experimented with your profile maybe you could post a sample of yours. After adjustments. I had seen earlier advice on slightly altering the age, which I'm sure is done frequently by both SB's and SD's.

Thanks in advance.

Ha ha. No thanks.

All I will say is that my profile is short, sweet and positive. Give it a shot, see what happens Vroom.

[Literal2]

I may be wrong about never having an sb under 23. SB8 was about 22 but she was really fat and sloppy looking. Besides I didn't fuck her, I just took some pix of her spreading her pussy.

[Literal2]

Hey Literal, what did you ever decide about your SB4? Did you keep her around?

I just love that girl's ass.

[Literal2]

I think the one thing you'll hear consistently from everyone who's done this is that it takes work. That is not a understatement. It really does. I had early success but have now hit a dry spell. I had a 22yr old single mother who I had made great progress with through email. We came to a meeting of the minds on everything; the meeting was all set; drinks and then if comfortable, the room. Then she asked the left field question: are you married? This is something I never lie about to a SB so I answered in the affirmative. She absolutely bailed; would not budge. Gave me a long spiel about creating bad karma. I was a little astounded because I assume 70% of the men on the SD site are married and the women know it. A lot of time and effort on my part got us to the point of doing the deed and then no joy. I'll give her credit for one thing, she didn't schedule and then be a no-show. That's what I hate most of all.

Don't judge yourself to harshly and remember that Lit is the gold standard. He's the beacon that keeps the rest of us going. May he live forever! Hang in there Rich.

Cool, it sounds like the 22 year old was frustrating. I've never gotten anywhere with sbs under 23 although at least two promised to meet and then disappeared. My youngest sb to date was 23 and totally whacked out, drinking and smoking, dirty and erratic. Another 23 year old on my list for months disappears when I get close. The young ones are the best trophies, the tightest bodies, the wettest pussies, and the finest to fuck of course, but they are difficult to deal with and pin down.

Re "gold standard." I don't think so. As of 20 minutes ago SB14 had failed to confirm (after I confidently predicted I would fuck her today) and SB15 never responded to my offer of lunch today (which she requested) , so I was going to post about how today was a total loss. I left sb14 a voice mail yesterday as she had requested, so I was bummed. She just confirmed by email so I guess we are on and I do plan to open up her pussy and poke around in there this afternoon after all. However, I don't kid myself about this. Anyone can have a dry spell and I'm sure I will encounter a no-show sb, maybe even sb14 later today. In my case I got started with sbs after a no-show fake Richmond escort named Becka last year. I've just been lucky.

One thing I worry about with my new strategy of trying to get agreement to meet at a hotel as quickly as possible after first contact. If there is no money promised, what is the incentive for the girl not to stand me up when a concrete offer comes along? I think I will get away cheaper if I don't use a specific amount as a hook, but there will probably be more no-shows.

SB13 hasn't responded to the lunch invitation for tomorrow she requested either and I won't know until tomorrow if sb16 will confirm our meet at a hotel bar for Saturday, let alone whether she will let me fuck her on Saturday which is what I'd prefer.

[Coolhand2]

I must be doing something wrong. Seems like no sb is interested in me. If all of you guys are scoring, I need to change me approach. SB is definably different from the escort scene. I have better luck with the pros. I pick and go. With the sb, I can pick all I wanted, but there is no go to this at all.

I think the one thing you'll hear consistently from everyone who's done this is that it takes work. That is not a understatement. It really does. I had early success but have now hit a dry spell. I had a 22yr old single mother who I had made great progress with through email. We came to a meeting of the minds on everything; the meeting was all set; drinks and then if comfortable, the room. Then she asked the left field question: are you married? This is something I never lie about to a SB so I answered in the affirmative. She absolutely bailed; would not budge. Gave me a long spiel about creating bad karma. I was a little astounded because I assume 70% of the men on the SD site are married and the women know it. A lot of time and effort on my part got us to the point of doing the deed and then no joy. I'll give her credit for one thing, she didn't schedule and then be a no-show. That's what I hate most of all.

Don't judge yourself to harshly and remember that Lit is the gold standard. He's the beacon that keeps the rest of us going. May he live forever! Hang in there Rich.

[Richmond Mas]

It's my choice. As to the number of sbs, I've never had so many girls to choose from in my life. I was always kind of below average I felt when it came to the ability to date women. I've had to work hard to find satisfactory escorts over the years too. Many of them were terrible. This sb scene just seems to work for me at the moment.

I must be doing something wrong. Seems like no sb is interested in me. If all of you guys are scoring, I need to change me approach. SB is definably different from the escort scene. I have better luck with the pros. I pick and go. With the sb, I can pick all I wanted, but there is no go to this at all.

I was going to give up, but after reading your post. I am going to change my approach and hang in there.

[Literal2]

On the shelf. By her choosing or circumstance, or yours? Just curious.

You would be getting close to needing a social secretary once you get into SB 20 and beyond, don't you think?

Ha-ha

It's my choice. As to the number of sbs, I've never had so many girls to choose from in my life. I was always kind of below average I felt when it came to the ability to date women. I've had to work hard to find satisfactory escorts over the years too. Many of them were terrible. This sb scene just seems to work for me at the moment.

[CantWinLosin]

I wasted a lot of time haggling over money with one of these a while ago. Looked gorgeous, but too mercenary. These must be traveling pros from Europe, right?

I'm not sure. She indicated she moved from eastern Europe to Chicago in her pre-teen years, had recently moved down here with a "boyfriend" that she had broken up with but was still living with until she gets on her feet, and might move elsewhere if things looked better.

The quality of her English and her mix of European and Chicago accent lends some credence to her story, but then those kind of stories always sound very fishy to me. She said she used to love him, but this girl is soooo blatantly mercenary that I have a very hard time believing she could ever see any male as anything but a source of income.

[Varoom]

She's on the shelf at the moment. She's still my atf.

On the shelf. By her choosing or circumstance, or yours? Just curious.

You would be getting close to needing a social secretary once you get into SB 20 and beyond, don't you think?

Ha-ha

[Literal2]

Hey Literal, what did you ever decide about your SB4? Did you keep her around?

She's on the shelf at the moment. She's still my atf.

[Varoom]

As suggested, you might try the arrangements site. Also you could try revising your ad / profile. I think the best idea is to keep it short and positive. Good luck with whatever you decide.

Speaking of profile being short and positive, could you give an example of what is in your profile? I had looked at a few SD ads but not knowing what works and doesn't it was hard to determine. Since you have experimented with your profile maybe you could post a sample of yours. After adjustments. I had seen earlier advice on slightly altering the age, which I'm sure is done frequently by both SB's and SD's.

Thanks in advance.

[Literal2]

I'm still plugging away. I'm continuing to make contacts but I'm having no luck in closing the deal. I had another no-show last week. I've got two 20 somethings I'm emailing back and forth with. One of them I talked to within the last hour. They both seem somewhat ambivalent about what a SB / SD relationship really is. They want financial help; they need financial help but are struggling with the straight forward nature of the transaction. I have tried to soften my approach (based on Lit's advice) and that does seem to allow me to remain in touch. The fact is I don't want a email buddy, I want pussy! I'm still amazed that women sign up for the sight but don't seem to realized what they have signed up for. Maybe I should focus on the 40 somethings.

I'm going to hang in there but a good straight forward provider is looking pretty good right now.

That makes sense to me. You can always mess around with the sbs when you want to. Having a satisfying provider available ensures you won't go without pussy for long. Good luck.

[Literal2]

I met with a potential SB last night for a meet and greet. I'll call her SSB3. She had a SD before and recently moved out of her BF's apartment and is now on her own. She models on the side and sent some of her modeling shots to me so I was encouraged.

But I have to say when I met her in person I was disappointed. I have a thing about teeth and hers were sort of gray and dingy looking. Her body was not also as toned as in the pictures. I was thinking perhaps she had recently had a baby or something, but she says not. I might have to pass or keep her around for emergency purposes. She's looking for a long term arrangement so she might not be open to being a part timer or second teamer.

You have high standards, Spit. I hope you get the pussy you're looking for. I've found most, but not all, of the girls want a relationship / arrangement that goes on for a while. I think it's one way they convince themselves they aren't just doing it for money. Also I think the female mind is wired to do that, whereas we usually like to spread our seed around as widely as possible.