"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[DavidS78]

Do you have to give your personal information when you sign up / activate the card?

I used a fake name, they don't check anything. When I registered I did use my real address but I don't have a SO but you could use any address you wanted. You'd only have to register an address though if you wanted to continue using the same card otherwise just go spend $5 on a new one when you need it. I haven't used mine in months but I don't think anything has changed.

[UKnowWho]

it's actually possible to view the text content of messages even if you don't have premium time enabled.

Thanks! This was really easy. I just pasted the responses into Notepad then searched for "original_body" to quickly find the messages.

I have a second account I use to keep an eye on new profiles during times when my primary account is disabled due to being in a Sugar relationship. It has no picture and no profile text, yet I still get messages sometimes. About half are from girls whose profiles I've viewed, and half are random. I've always been curious to see what they're saying if they're desperate enough to message an empty profile, but of course not curious enough to pay to see. So, getting to read all those for free was nice.

Most of the random ones were clear scams, and most of the ones from local girls I'd viewed were just "hey", "how are you? Or "why the empty profile?

[Almighty]

I'm fairly certain my last renewal I got a prepaid card from walmart that was a AX bluebird that can be used internationally. A provider I've seen a few times actually told me about it when I renewedmy P411 membership and it worked for both, it's maybe $5 & reloads are free.

Do you have to give your personal information when you sign up / activate the card?

[DavidS78]

Sooo, what's the deal with the new payment options? I always used to do the PayPal option. Haven't had a subscription for a few months. Tried to re-up, and can't do it by PayPal.

Are you guys just using your personal cc's? I went to the store and thought about getting a prepaid one, but it clearly states on the back of all the cards that they can only be used for transactions IN the us, to help fight terrorism, blah blah. And I saw on some post where someone's card was declined because it was an international transaction.

Anyone know of any way to use a type of cc where you don't have to give your name / info? I searched for subscription and membership in this thread and didn't find anything helpful.

I'm fairly certain my last renewal I got a prepaid card from walmart that was a AX bluebird that can be used internationally. A provider I've seen a few times actually told me about it when I renewedmy P411 membership and it worked for both, it's maybe $5 & reloads are free.

[Almighty]

Sooo, what's the deal with the new payment options? I always used to do the PayPal option. Haven't had a subscription for a few months. Tried to re-up, and can't do it by PayPal.

Are you guys just using your personal cc's? I went to the store and thought about getting a prepaid one, but it clearly states on the back of all the cards that they can only be used for transactions IN the us, to help fight terrorism, blah blah. And I saw on some post where someone's card was declined because it was an international transaction.

Anyone know of any way to use a type of cc where you don't have to give your name / info? I searched for subscription and membership in this thread and didn't find anything helpful.

[Zcochran00]

Jumping back in topic, do you think this will work w / the Epic browser? I use it b / c I am paranoid and don't want to leave any breadcrumbs in case my SO suddenly decided to do something w / my laptop.

Yeah, looks like Epic is based on Chromium (which is Chrome minus all the Google-specific stuff), so yes.

It should really work in any modern browser that has developer tools, Chrome and Firefox just happen to be what I use and am familiar with.

[FarFarAway]

There's two potential factors involved:

1) Whether the client side (the message screen itself) can be "tricked" into showing the edit box.

2) Whether the server would accept a "send this message" request even if you don't have premium. It's likely that they would do some checks on the server and ignore the message, but you never know.

I suspect it's _technically_ possible to at least enable the message input box, but even if that works, there's only a small chance that it would accept any messages you send. Part of me would really like to fiddle around and see how much I could figure out, but like I said, I've got too much else to do.

Jumping back in topic, do you think this will work w / the Epic browser? I use it b / c I am paranoid and don't want to leave any breadcrumbs in case my SO suddenly decided to do something w / my laptop.

[Zcochran00]

This procedure works to read messages but it takes lot of time to search and identify messages out of thousands of php scripting words. It would be worth if there is a way to reply messages. Do you know how to reply messages?

There's two potential factors involved:

1) Whether the client side (the message screen itself) can be "tricked" into showing the edit box.

2) Whether the server would accept a "send this message" request even if you don't have premium. It's likely that they would do some checks on the server and ignore the message, but you never know.

I suspect it's _technically_ possible to at least enable the message input box, but even if that works, there's only a small chance that it would accept any messages you send. Part of me would really like to fiddle around and see how much I could figure out, but like I said, I've got too much else to do.

[CrazySpice]

Lot of them asking money though cash pay apps or pay gas money to meetup.

Seeking should charge membership fee to the girls to weed out these type of spam.

Hey brothers. I also posted this in the Atlanta thread, but curious to hear your thoughts as well.

Let me be clear. There are plenty of gems still on the site, but the amount of time I have invested this go round weeding out flakes and scammers has been insane. By now most veterans know the rules to spot the spammers and old BP pros (talk of time limits, in town for only one night, send me money before meeting, can you cover my gas money, my mother is having a major surgery, blah blah).

But what are some other methods you guys are using to weed out the flakes and scammers?

For me. I have started to ignore females with only one picture on their profile! Sure I might be missing out on some goodies. But what woman you know is comfortable with just ONE pic of themselves. On a dating app with plenty of competition? My experience has been. Mostly. That these one-picture girls have one foot in and one foot out. Not really seeking anything quickly and prefer a lot of back and forth dialogue over 5-6 days.

Be safe. Ripper.

[CrazySpice]

Girls with premium accounts have very high GPS problems.

If anyone is interested in the girl I mentioned here, her profile is below. Note that I just met her and chatted, didn't go to FC, so not sure what the experience would be. She is about 40 miles away from Columbia, SC (I live in Charleston). If anyone has luck with her, please share.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

https://www.seeking.com/member/a283d...d-cda6f76c8f6e

[CrazySpice]

This procedure works to read messages but it takes lot of time to search and identify messages out of thousands of php scripting words. It would be worth if there is a way to reply messages. Do you know how to reply messages?

I'm a programmer, and I spend a good portion of my time doing web development. I've noted that SA has been rewriting portions of their site from a traditional "click link, wait for server return the new page" style to a "single-page application" approach. Turns out that due to some rather silly programming choices on their part, it's actually possible to view the text content of messages even if you don't have premium time enabled.

It involves opening up your browser's "development tools" window so you can inspect the contents of the page and the data being requested, and should work in either Chrome or Firefox.

Log in to SA and go to your inbox. Right-click anywhere on the page and choose "Inspect Element". The browser's dev tools should either pop up as a separate window, or as part of the main window. Click on the "network" tab in the dev tools. Then, back in the SA inbox screen, click on a conversation.

If you go back to the "network" tab, you should see a list of all the data requests the SA page asked for from the server. One of them should look like "/ inbox? Page=1&limit=25". Click on that one. It'll show a bunch of technical details of some of the message headers.

Now, look for a tab called "Response". If you click on that, you should see a tree with sections like "status", "message", "conversation", and "metadata". Expand "conversation" "messages" "data". You should see some numbered entries, 0 and up. Those represent each of the messages in the conversation, from both of you. (Side note: the "metadata" object has a whole bunch of info that they know about your own account. Some of it is info you entered yourself, like profile info. There's also things like "payments_total", which appears to be how much you've actually ever paid SA, unread message count, whether you're in the EU, and even fields labeled "has_under_age_punishment" and "has_unacknowledged_punishment". Very interesting.)

Each message entry has a field called "body", which is the text that's shown in your inbox. If you've got premium active, it's the actual message text. If not, it's "Upgrade to read".

Here's where they did something silly. They send back the text that should be shown, but *they also send back the original text too*. So, even if the "body" field says "Upgrade to read", the "original_body" field shows the actual no-kidding message that was sent. You can inspect each of the messages that was received, and effectively read the conversation.

It's not a substitute for reading messages in the inbox as usual, but it might be helpful for anyone who gets a message when they don't have premium active and wants to peek at it without having to immediately shell out the cash to read it.

As a programmer, I can tell that there's actually a _ton_ of useful information being returned whenever you view a profile page or inbox page. It would be possible for someone to write a browser extension that either extracted some of that info from a page, or re-requested that data from the server, and did something useful with it (up to and including modifying an inbox to show all the messages without needing premium enabled). Sadly, I don't have time to work on anything like that myself. I've got a lot of other things on my plate.

Hope that helps!

[DrSummer]

If anyone is interested in the girl I mentioned here, her profile is below. Note that I just met her and chatted, didn't go to FC, so not sure what the experience would be. She is about 40 miles away from Columbia, SC (I live in Charleston). If anyone has luck with her, please share.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

https://www.seeking.com/member/a283d...d-cda6f76c8f6e

Most recently I messaged a 19 year college girl who had a single face photo and profile said "curvy", a sure shot case of a fat girl. She texted me an additional photo, but it was not conclusive either, but the profile seemed genuine and communication was good. So, I took a chance for a "no obligation" meet. She turned out to be a well figured cute girl (I would call her "slim" actually). The arrangement didn't work out due to other issues (allowance etc) though. With 18-22-olds you never know what they think.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

[DrSummer]

Sorry, I struck a deal with her right after the first date for two dates a week on a weekly allowance, I couldn't resist. She says she has time for only only SD. Although I am not sure I believe that, I am not inclined to share her details as of now. Anyway, I am (and SB) in Charleston, and if you are in Richmond, it may not work anyway. I come here to Richmond SB forum mainly to get general info, tactics etc, not really to get intel on girls.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

Care to share her profile name?

[RVASpider]

We all know that (at least the members here), and has been discussed here numerous times. The chances of success for girls looking for on-line, or "platonic" are slim and either they drop out of the scene or learn how to spread their legs little bit more to stay in business. I have about a year of experience with SA, and met at least 50 potential SB's in person. For the first time, I met a girl two days ago who confessed to that fact. She is a 20 year old college junior (exchange student). We got comfortable with each other very quickly. She told me she tried "online" first with no success at all. Then changed her profile to 'platonic', still very little interested parties. Only when she offered "intimacy", there were serious interest from SDs.

Fast forward, this girl is model quality (at least 9. 5 out of 10 in my scale), slim girl with curves at the right places, cute face and flawless body. Spent 2 hours at FC yesterday, the best erotic experience in my life. Not just the sex, the whole experience was far beyond what I expected. There are few gems out there if you are patient enough to find them.

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

Care to share her profile name?

[Zcochran00]

I'm a programmer, and I spend a good portion of my time doing web development. I've noted that SA has been rewriting portions of their site from a traditional "click link, wait for server return the new page" style to a "single-page application" approach. Turns out that due to some rather silly programming choices on their part, it's actually possible to view the text content of messages even if you don't have premium time enabled.

It involves opening up your browser's "development tools" window so you can inspect the contents of the page and the data being requested, and should work in either Chrome or Firefox.

Log in to SA and go to your inbox. Right-click anywhere on the page and choose "Inspect Element". The browser's dev tools should either pop up as a separate window, or as part of the main window. Click on the "network" tab in the dev tools. Then, back in the SA inbox screen, click on a conversation.

If you go back to the "network" tab, you should see a list of all the data requests the SA page asked for from the server. One of them should look like "/ inbox? Page=1&limit=25". Click on that one. It'll show a bunch of technical details of some of the message headers.

Now, look for a tab called "Response". If you click on that, you should see a tree with sections like "status", "message", "conversation", and "metadata". Expand "conversation" "messages" "data". You should see some numbered entries, 0 and up. Those represent each of the messages in the conversation, from both of you. (Side note: the "metadata" object has a whole bunch of info that they know about your own account. Some of it is info you entered yourself, like profile info. There's also things like "payments_total", which appears to be how much you've actually ever paid SA, unread message count, whether you're in the EU, and even fields labeled "has_under_age_punishment" and "has_unacknowledged_punishment". Very interesting.)

Each message entry has a field called "body", which is the text that's shown in your inbox. If you've got premium active, it's the actual message text. If not, it's "Upgrade to read".

Here's where they did something silly. They send back the text that should be shown, but *they also send back the original text too*. So, even if the "body" field says "Upgrade to read", the "original_body" field shows the actual no-kidding message that was sent. You can inspect each of the messages that was received, and effectively read the conversation.

It's not a substitute for reading messages in the inbox as usual, but it might be helpful for anyone who gets a message when they don't have premium active and wants to peek at it without having to immediately shell out the cash to read it.

As a programmer, I can tell that there's actually a _ton_ of useful information being returned whenever you view a profile page or inbox page. It would be possible for someone to write a browser extension that either extracted some of that info from a page, or re-requested that data from the server, and did something useful with it (up to and including modifying an inbox to show all the messages without needing premium enabled). Sadly, I don't have time to work on anything like that myself. I've got a lot of other things on my plate.

Hope that helps!