Streetwalker Reports

[QUOTE=Jbfe147;3247906]Obviously you guys don't know what a pimp is.

Definitely not going to send a bunch of addicts on the stroll and he won't be on drugs either. That defies the rules of pimpin real pimpin that is. Anything else is nothing but drug addicts looking out for each other.[/QUOTE]Been around pimps, hoes and dealers since I was a kid. Lived around or with both and their families. You aren't going to find too many Iceberg Slims on Harper anywhere else now on the strolls. Pimping in today's reality is different from back then but the basics are the same. You can call them pimps, handlers, dope boys, bodyguards, boyfriends, daddies or whatever else makes you comfortable. Assaults are up in the area, especially for some of the younger ones who relied on backpage and don't have enough street sense, so some of the girls are getting in stables. Drugs are an even better method of control than intimidation or charm. A successful dealer never uses his own product but that happens too. New reality. I'm not really too concerned about the semantics. There's a lot of activity in the area, and I reported it. Already had a chat with a girl tonight asking about a car following a monger and his date, and she pretty much confirmed what I said and gave me whys. Enough confirmation for me. The guys obviously have an interest in what's going on over there, some hidden and some not. That's all I need to know. Stay safe.

BSW in her late 20's, smaller side of thick. I would call her more curvy than bbw. Looked healthy and smelled absolutely clean. Looked so good at a glance I figured she was a decoy but she approached me and agreed to an immediate LE check. Smaller tits with nice hard eraser size nipples. Great thighs and ass. Gave me a great bbbjcimws for $20. Yet another girl with a broken phone. Said she's out that way quite a bit so I'll be looking for her again, hopefully to hit a short stay.

Was out last Sunday morning with all the fog. Saw WSW Kelly just south of Nevada. Shoulder length brownish-hair, cute face. Drove around, things seemed safe and made the scoop.

Found a spot and got a BBBJ with swallow, $20. The girl didn't miss a drop. Nice person, seemed with it. I would repeat.

So went for a stroll in the Triangle today around 1:00 pm. Not much out, but as I was getting ready to leave I found Jennifer. Thin WSW with kinda a rough face, Candy was taking its toll. Did the usual check and agreed on. 2 for BBBJ. She did a great job and allowed roaming hands and went for about fifteen minutes. Took it like a champ.

[QUOTE=Nutjob;3250636]Was out last Sunday morning with all the fog. Saw WSW Kelly just south of Nevada. Shoulder length brownish-hair, cute face. Drove around, things seemed safe and made the scoop.

Found a spot and got a BBBJ with swallow, $20. The girl didn't miss a drop. Nice person, seemed with it. I would repeat.[/QUOTE]Dreamed about a dozen times with Kelly, not a fan of car dates but full service for. 4 at the notel, no rushing. Cover / no cover at your own risk, she doesn't care. She will speak Greek for. 6 and go ATM if you ask. Doesn't mind video or stills while she works. Only had one bad time when she went into the ladies room and hit the candy. She kept dozing off with her mouth full. In the end she made up for it with post finish bonus time. An ATF for me.

[QUOTE=Mroader;3252577]Dreamed about a dozen times with Kelly, not a fan of car dates but full service for. 4 at the notel, no rushing. Cover / no cover at your own risk, she doesn't care. She will speak Greek for. 6 and go ATM if you ask. Doesn't mind video or stills while she works. Only had one bad time when she went into the ladies room and hit the candy. She kept dozing off with her mouth full. In the end she made up for it with post finish bonus time. An ATF for me.[/QUOTE]Sounds like Kelly is a lot of Fun! I too am not a fan of car dates, way too nervous looking for Unc's and Jackers! Any other information that can be provided on either appearance or particular area / time she most frequents? I'll be strolling tonight to see what's out there but with the weather being nasty not expecting too much! Be Safe and Happy Hunting everyone!

[QUOTE=bean2002;3251198]Triangle... found Jennifer. Thin WSW with kinda.... Candy was taking its toll....[/QUOTE]Pizza place Jennifer? I found Pizza Jennifer a couple of days ago. Her mannerisms are always slow motion. When I was with her she started showing me her arm and giving me all the detail.

I also snagged Bella, WSW, a couple of weeks back. Spotted her off Winston and made the swoop. She hops in and seemed friendly. Did check, no problem. A little further down the block she started ragging. I canceled and dropped her off right there. She started complaining I wouldn't give her any money and was making her walk back to her spot.

The Triangle is always good for a few laughs.

[QUOTE=Nutjob;3250636]Was out last Sunday morning with all the fog. Saw WSW Kelly just south of Nevada. Shoulder length brownish-hair, cute face. Drove around, things seemed safe and made the scoop.

Found a spot and got a BBBJ with swallow, $20. The girl didn't miss a drop. Nice person, seemed with it. I would repeat.[/QUOTE]Any pics of this Kelly?

Where exactly is the Triangle. Haven't dreamed to SW since getting caught a decade ago. Is been long enough please pm me. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=bean2002;3251198]So went for a stroll in the Triangle today around 1:00 pm. Not much out, but as I was getting ready to leave I found Jennifer. Thin WSW with kinda a rough face, Candy was taking its toll. Did the usual check and agreed on. 2 for BBBJ. She did a great job and allowed roaming hands and went for about fifteen minutes. Took it like a champ.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HardMuscle1;3253817]Sounds like Kelly is a lot of Fun! I too am not a fan of car dates, way too nervous looking for Unc's and Jackers! Any other information that can be provided on either appearance or particular area / time she most frequents? I'll be strolling tonight to see what's out there but with the weather being nasty not expecting too much! Be Safe and Happy Hunting everyone![/QUOTE]Never pick up a SW without surveying the area first. Once you are satisfied there are no stings going on. Ie. Unmarked cars girls that look way too good to be true. Then you make your pick up. Always try to do it off the main street. If she doesn't jump in or asks you anything like are you looking for some head? You simply say nope I thought you were someone else and leave. If she doesn't get right in your car or starts talking services she is most likely a cop. Once you do a complete check to satisfy your need to know if she is LEO, meaning she grabs your junk first and then you touch hers, then you can start discussing services. Never go to " her " spot. Always have a location a few miles away picked out. Someplace out of the hood and far enough away to make her think twice about pulling some bullshit. I often like to hide in plain sight. A parking lot with little activity. Or an apartment complex, senior home, or a court with no light or houses. Make sure all your valuables are locked up. Better yet leave them at home and only bring what your willing to loose. Just like the casino. If you want to go to a notell, that's the best way to do it. It's worth the coin if your looking to get more than a BJ. Again same rules apply here. If there is a notell off the main area. Good. But only if you have checked it out previously. And only go to the place YOU choose. Never let a girl say " oh I have a room " or " let's go to this fuck shack " that's just translation for my handler knows I go here and your about to get jacked, or that notell has a dealer and she can score some candy first. Which brings me to my next thought. Don't ever pay or loan a girl money first. EVER. Don't fall for give me 20 I just have to go pay this or my friends going to the store while we are gone. Again your getting ripped off and she is not coming back.

Guys remember, the streets have no forgiveness. Weakness will get you hurt or even killed. Always play by your rules. It's your money. If she doesn't like it. Tell her to kick rocks and get to stepping. Once she knows your not playing she will either stop her shit cause she sees you know the game or she will bounce. But be prepared for the ones that will threaten you for wasting they're time. Shit I've had to literally REMOVE a girl or two out of my vehicle. It's never pretty. If your not in shape to do that then just keep a 10 spot and tell her to politely fuck off. Me personally if a girl starts that BS with me I'm kicking her ass out the car. Period. If you car date, she gets her money when the job is complete. Period. You can be nice and show it to her so she knows your intentions are good if your a softy. If you go to a notel, once your in the room. LOCK THE DOOR. Never forget to lock the door behind you. I can't stress that enough. And on room dates I usually take the agreed upon donation and set it on the table under the ash tray or remote or lamp, so she knows it's hers yet it's somewhere that if she tries to jump up and grab it and go, the door is locked and you'll have time to catch her.

In NO way shape or form am I saying be mean or mistreat any of the girls. Remember they are humans too. Someone's daughter, sister, aunt, mom or even grandma. Treat them decent and be respectful. If they really please you or go above and beyond then show your $ apriciation. I've had way more good experiences then bad. Some of these girls have real good hearts and are just in a bad place in life. A kind gesture like a coat or a pair of warm thick socks or a sweatshirt could make them loyal to you for a long time. There is no reason you can't be nice to them, get them a toothbrush or deodorant or simply take to the drive thru and by them a combo meal. By saying everything I did at the start of this post I want to be clear that standing your ground and following rules to protect yourself and being a needle dick asshole are two totally different things. Be stern if they try to play you. Watch out for deceptions. But don't forget to take care of them too. The good ones are out there and you would be surprised how fast the word gets around to the other girls when you are a good " date ". I've had several girls that weren't able to meet set me up with another girl just because I was good to her.

And again if some of you lurkers or newbs have questions or are embarrassed to ask, just send me a private message. I won't laugh at you and I am always willing to give advice or info. The point of this forum is to share information and keep each other safe as well. Just remember to return the favors and share what you find. That's how you become trusted by other members.

[QUOTE=Gilfoyle;3257598]Where exactly is the Triangle. Haven't dreamed to SW since getting caught a decade ago. Is been long enough please pm me. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]If only I had a dollar for every time this has been covered. It is the area of Grand River, Telegraph, 7 mile. Also always check telegraph down by 6 mile too. This time I will attach a screen shot of Google maps to show you all how the three streets for a Triangle.

[QUOTE=Nutjob;3250636]Was out last Sunday morning with all the fog. Saw WSW Kelly just south of Nevada. Shoulder length brownish-hair, cute face. Drove around, things seemed safe and made the scoop.

Found a spot and got a BBBJ with swallow, $20. The girl didn't miss a drop. Nice person, seemed with it. I would repeat.[/QUOTE]Okay guys. Here is a prime example of people just not reading what's being posted. Not being a dick here. Seriously. Sometimes you need to go back and read the last page or so because when you reply to comments on a post that was in itself a reply, you can simply click on the little blue writing in the corner of the quoted text that says " view original post ". Above I have copied the original recent post on Kelly where he clearly states she can be found on John are near Nevada. Google maps and research are your friend guys. This took me literally 2 minutes. Here is abother Google map screen shot showing the area being discussed. Just Google " John are and Nevada Detroit " and bingo this is what you get.

By the way, Kelly has been around for a looong time now. Literally like 10 to 15 yrs. So she's no spring chicken. She can be good when she is not too messed up. She used to be known as Kid Rock Kelly.

Thanks I thought there was another triangle as lately I've cruised more than few times and it's pretty dry around 8/9 pm.

[QUOTE=MongerDl;3258156]If only I had a dollar for every time this has been covered. It is the area of Grand River, Telegraph, 7 mile. Also always check telegraph down by 6 mile too. This time I will attach a screen shot of Google maps to show you all how the three streets for a Triangle.[/QUOTE]

When are the best times to go to the triangle / avenue? (which I have inferred is MI Avenue correct me if I'm wrong).

[QUOTE=DeGhost;3258772]When are the best times to go to the triangle / avenue? (which I have inferred is MI Avenue correct me if I'm wrong).[/QUOTE]There's no schedule. You go when you go and hope. Decent weather usually helps.

[QUOTE=MongerDl;3258139]Never pick up a SW without surveying the area first. Once you are satisfied there are no stings going on. Ie. Unmarked cars girls that look way too good to be true. Then you make your pick up. Always try to do it off the main street. If she doesn't jump in or asks you anything like are you looking for some head? You simply say nope I thought you were someone else and leave. If she doesn't get right in your car or starts talking services she is most likely a cop. Once you do a complete check to satisfy your need to know if she is LEO, meaning she grabs your junk first and then you touch hers, then you can start discussing services. Never go to " her " spot. Always have a location a few miles away picked out. Someplace out of the hood and far enough away to make her think twice about pulling some bullshit. I often like to hide in plain sight. A parking lot with little activity. Or an apartment complex, senior home, or a court with no light or houses. Make sure all your valuables are locked up. Better yet leave them at home and only bring what your willing to loose. Just like the casino. If you want to go to a notell, that's the best way to do it. It's worth the coin if your looking to get more than a BJ. Again same rules apply here. If there is a notell off the main area. Good. But only if you have checked it out previously. And only go to the place YOU choose. Never let a girl say " oh I have a room " or " let's go to this fuck shack " that's just translation for my handler knows I go here and your about to get jacked, or that notell has a dealer and she can score some candy first. Which brings me to my next thought. Don't ever pay or loan a girl money first. EVER. Don't fall for give me 20 I just have to go pay this or my friends going to the store while we are gone. Again your getting ripped off and she is not coming back.

Guys remember, the streets have no forgiveness. Weakness will get you hurt or even killed. Always play by your rules. It's your money. If she doesn't like it. Tell her to kick rocks and get to stepping. Once she knows your not playing she will either stop her shit cause she sees you know the game or she will bounce. But be prepared for the ones that will threaten you for wasting they're time. Shit I've had to literally REMOVE a girl or two out of my vehicle. It's never pretty. If your not in shape to do that then just keep a 10 spot and tell her to politely fuck off. Me personally if a girl starts that BS with me I'm kicking her ass out the car. Period. If you car date, she gets her money when the job is complete. Period. You can be nice and show it to her so she knows your intentions are good if your a softy. If you go to a notel, once your in the room. LOCK THE DOOR. Never forget to lock the door behind you. I can't stress that enough. And on room dates I usually take the agreed upon donation and set it on the table under the ash tray or remote or lamp, so she knows it's hers yet it's somewhere that if she tries to jump up and grab it and go, the door is locked and you'll have time to catch her.

In NO way shape or form am I saying be mean or mistreat any of the girls. Remember they are humans too. Someone's daughter, sister, aunt, mom or even grandma. Treat them decent and be respectful. If they really please you or go above and beyond then show your $ apriciation. I've had way more good experiences then bad. Some of these girls have real good hearts and are just in a bad place in life. A kind gesture like a coat or a pair of warm thick socks or a sweatshirt could make them loyal to you for a long time. There is no reason you can't be nice to them, get them a toothbrush or deodorant or simply take to the drive thru and by them a combo meal. By saying everything I did at the start of this post I want to be clear that standing your ground and following rules to protect yourself and being a needle dick asshole are two totally different things. Be stern if they try to play you. Watch out for deceptions. But don't forget to take care of them too. The good ones are out there and you would be surprised how fast the word gets around to the other girls when you are a good " date ". I've had several girls that weren't able to meet set me up with another girl just because I was good to her.

And again if some of you lurkers or newbs have questions or are embarrassed to ask, just send me a private message. I won't laugh at you and I am always willing to give advice or info. The point of this forum is to share information and keep each other safe as well. Just remember to return the favors and share what you find. That's how you become trusted by other members.[/QUOTE]Right as always.

Got off work at 5 and headed down the Ave, saw two girls out a WSW and a LSW. Scooped the WSW and after LEO checks and intros found a nice quiet spot. Goes by the name Jaelyn. Damn but that girl can suck dick. She really got into it, change speed and technique multiple times. After multiple times of being ready to pop when I finally let go she took every drop. Did spit, but well worth the. 2. Unfortunately, no phone but I'll definitely repeat.

Cruising the Triangle last night. Found Angel. Angel is white, about 5'-7" and thin. Dark medium length hair. Made the swoop and she hops in. The usual checks. We agree on BBBJ for 20.

After we agree I ask her where we should park. She asks if she can do this while I drive. I said no. She began to push-back saying there was no place to park and I have to drive. In my mind, this was the canceler so I start driving back to her spot. Now she starts complaining I'm driving in the wrong direction. Unpleasant customer skills. Once back to her spot I tell her to get out. She acts surprised.

She starts arguing, "why, why". Says "no" and demands I take her by the Vic. I told her, I'm leaving in 3 seconds and you don't have to get out. Then I rapidly count to three and start driving in the sub toward Grand River. She demands I take her back to Telegraph because she just walked from this area.

As we approach Grand River I tell her, you better jump out at the corner because I'm turning left on GR, you'll have one second. She's a smart ass at this point and defiantly tells me I can't turn left on GR. I stopped at the stop sign without saying anything then cut across GR and made the Michigan left headed towards Redford He, he, he. She says, where are you going? I told her back to Fowlerville. Now she tells me she wants out of the car. I told I'm not pulling over on GR, it's a busy street. LOL I got stopped by the traffic light and she just jumped out as fast as she could. She left my car door open and was still whining about something.

Finally figured out if your looking for girls in the area stay on Elmdale. Some stay at the apartment building on Elmdale and Chalmers you can pull up and honk they come from the apartment that is closest to Chalmers sometimes its hard to see them with the steps in the way. A few stay at the 2 houses on hays closest to west side elmdale and at Elmdale and Phillip the house closest to the SE corner. I have run across SW at those places in the last few weeks agin. I used to pick up V from those same houses last year Met a girl named T yesterday at the apartment building. I spent. 25 for a BBBJ nicely done. T is a WSW in her mid 20's aand an alright face. She was too bundeled up to know what her body was like but she's skinny.

[QUOTE=DExplorer;3259490]Got off work at 5 and headed down the Ave, saw two girls out a WSW and a LSW. Scooped the WSW and after LEO checks and intros found a nice quiet spot. Goes by the name Jaelyn. Damn but that girl can suck dick. She really got into it, change speed and technique multiple times. After multiple times of being ready to pop when I finally let go she took every drop. Did spit, but well worth the. 2. Unfortunately, no phone but I'll definitely repeat.[/QUOTE]Also goes by J-lo. She goes to vernor also very good BJ skills.

[QUOTE=Tommy101;3259266]...If she doesn't jump in or asks you anything like are you looking for some head? You simply say nope I thought you were someone else and leave. If she doesn't get right in your car or starts talking services she is most likely a cop. Once you do a complete check to satisfy your need to know if she is LEO, .... .[/QUOTE]The law is pretty vauge. The word "gesture" is used and by the fact that you stopped and looked at her is interpreted as signaling her or soliciting a prostitute. Trust me on this as I was caught under this technicality. The lawyer explained the law is completely left vauge so that it is left to interpretation. Especially in the detroit city. Yes, even a sneeze could be labeled as "Offer to engage". That said, a LEO WILL NEVER enter your car. Even if you stopped and said "I thought you were someone else" constitutes an "Offer to engage" and it is left upto the lawyer & prosecutor to work out how much you end up paying to hash it out in the courts. Keep in mind the system is setup such that they want to make money from this. This whole ordeal cost me 3. 5 g in 2007.

Sorry Tommy but there is no silver bullet or bullet proof method to avoid LEOs. I thought I was untouchable since I been doing this on weekly basis for 15 years near Wayne State and Triangle areas (those were the good old days). Then I was caught. The best risk free is to not to SW, meet at notel and dream all you want. Although I said that, I won't lie that picking a SW is extremely fun and heightens the intensity. The adrenaline runs high when picking a SW.

Best of luck and be safe folks.

[QUOTE=bean2002;3251198]So went for a stroll in the Triangle today around 1:00 pm. Not much out, but as I was getting ready to leave I found Jennifer. Thin WSW with kinda a rough face, Candy was taking its toll. Did the usual check and agreed on. 2 for BBBJ. She did a great job and allowed roaming hands and went for about fifteen minutes. Took it like a champ.[/QUOTE]I spotted Jennifer the other night. I swore it was a guy at first. The way she was dressed, she looked like Jay from those "Jay and Silent Bob" movies. LOL! I won't scoop her anymore. She has sticky fingers! Lifted some smokes from me a while back while smoking my pole.

[QUOTE=MaxxSwank;3259657]Cruising the Triangle last night. Found Angel. Angel is white, about 5'-7" and thin. Dark medium length hair. Made the swoop and she hops in. The usual checks. We agree on BBBJ for 20.

After we agree I ask her where we should park. She asks if she can do this while I drive. I said no. She began to push-back saying there was no place to park and I have to drive. In my mind, this was the canceler so I start driving back to her spot. Now she starts complaining I'm driving in the wrong direction. Unpleasant customer skills. Once back to her spot I tell her to get out. She acts surprised.

She starts arguing, "why, why". Says "no" and demands I take her by the Vic. I told her, I'm leaving in 3 seconds and you don't have to get out. Then I rapidly count to three and start driving in the sub toward Grand River. She demands I take her back to Telegraph because she just walked from this area.

As we approach Grand River I tell her, you better jump out at the corner because I'm turning left on GR, you'll have one second. She's a smart ass at this point and defiantly tells me I can't turn left on GR. I stopped at the stop sign without saying anything then cut across GR and made the Michigan left headed towards Redford He, he, he. She says, where are you going? I told her back to Fowlerville. Now she tells me she wants out of the car. I told I'm not pulling over on GR, it's a busy street. LOL I got stopped by the traffic light and she just jumped out as fast as she could. She left my car door open and was still whining about something.[/QUOTE]I don't think its a good idea to let a SW pick the spot.

MDL speaks the truth.

JD.

[QUOTE=MongerDl;3258139]Never pick up a SW without surveying the area first. Once you are satisfied there are no stings going on. Ie. Unmarked cars girls that look way too good to be true. Then you make your pick up. Always try to do it off the main street. If she doesn't jump in or asks you anything like are you looking for some head? You simply say nope I thought you were someone else and leave. If she doesn't get right in your car or starts talking services she is most likely a cop. Once you do a complete check to satisfy your need to know if she is LEO, meaning she grabs your junk first and then you touch hers, then you can start discussing services. Never go to " her " spot. Always have a location a few miles away picked out. Someplace out of the hood and far enough away to make her think twice about pulling some bullshit. I often like to hide in plain sight. A parking lot with little activity. Or an apartment complex, senior home, or a court with no light or houses. Make sure all your valuables are locked up. Better yet leave them at home and only bring what your willing to loose. Just like the casino. If you want to go to a notell, that's the best way to do it. It's worth the coin if your looking to get more than a BJ. Again same rules apply here. If there is a notell off the main area. Good. But only if you have checked it out previously. And only go to the place YOU choose. Never let a girl say " oh I have a room " or " let's go to this fuck shack " that's just translation for my handler knows I go here and your about to get jacked, or that notell has a dealer and she can score some candy first. Which brings me to my next thought. Don't ever pay or loan a girl money first. EVER. Don't fall for give me 20 I just have to go pay this or my friends going to the store while we are gone. Again your getting ripped off and she is not coming back.

Guys remember, the streets have no forgiveness. Weakness will get you hurt or even killed. Always play by your rules. It's your money. If she doesn't like it. Tell her to kick rocks and get to stepping. Once she knows your not playing she will either stop her shit cause she sees you know the game or she will bounce. But be prepared for the ones that will threaten you for wasting they're time. Shit I've had to literally REMOVE a girl or two out of my vehicle. It's never pretty. If your not in shape to do that then just keep a 10 spot and tell her to politely fuck off. Me personally if a girl starts that BS with me I'm kicking her ass out the car. Period. If you car date, she gets her money when the job is complete. Period. You can be nice and show it to her so she knows your intentions are good if your a softy. If you go to a notel, once your in the room. LOCK THE DOOR. Never forget to lock the door behind you. I can't stress that enough. And on room dates I usually take the agreed upon donation and set it on the table under the ash tray or remote or lamp, so she knows it's hers yet it's somewhere that if she tries to jump up and grab it and go, the door is locked and you'll have time to catch her.

In NO way shape or form am I saying be mean or mistreat any of the girls. Remember they are humans too. Someone's daughter, sister, aunt, mom or even grandma. Treat them decent and be respectful. If they really please you or go above and beyond then show your $ apriciation. I've had way more good experiences then bad. Some of these girls have real good hearts and are just in a bad place in life. A kind gesture like a coat or a pair of warm thick socks or a sweatshirt could make them loyal to you for a long time. There is no reason you can't be nice to them, get them a toothbrush or deodorant or simply take to the drive thru and by them a combo meal. By saying everything I did at the start of this post I want to be clear that standing your ground and following rules to protect yourself and being a needle dick asshole are two totally different things. Be stern if they try to play you. Watch out for deceptions. But don't forget to take care of them too. The good ones are out there and you would be surprised how fast the word gets around to the other girls when you are a good " date ". I've had several girls that weren't able to meet set me up with another girl just because I was good to her.

And again if some of you lurkers or newbs have questions or are embarrassed to ask, just send me a private message. I won't laugh at you and I am always willing to give advice or info. The point of this forum is to share information and keep each other safe as well. Just remember to return the favors and share what you find. That's how you become trusted by other members.[/QUOTE]

Lots of LE activity around the "famous" apartments. Be careful.

I just wanted to say, I got caught up in a sting and the girl definitely got in my car. LE or decoy, whatever you want to call it, the statement "LEO WILL NEVER enter your car" could be misleading guys into a false sense of security.

Be safe out there.

Frogiii.

[QUOTE=Gilfoyle;3260219]The law is pretty vauge. The word "gesture" is used and by the fact that you stopped and looked at her is interpreted as signaling her or soliciting a prostitute. Trust me on this as I was caught under this technicality. The lawyer explained the law is completely left vauge so that it is left to interpretation. Especially in the detroit city. Yes, even a sneeze could be labeled as "Offer to engage". That said, a LEO WILL NEVER enter your car. Even if you stopped and said "I thought you were someone else" constitutes an "Offer to engage" and it is left upto the lawyer & prosecutor to work out how much you end up paying to hash it out in the courts. Keep in mind the system is setup such that they want to make money from this. This whole ordeal cost me 3. 5 g in 2007.

Sorry Tommy but there is no silver bullet or bullet proof method to avoid LEOs. I thought I was untouchable since I been doing this on weekly basis for 15 years near Wayne State and Triangle areas (those were the good old days). Then I was caught. The best risk free is to not to SW, meet at notel and dream all you want. Although I said that, I won't lie that picking a SW is extremely fun and heightens the intensity. The adrenaline runs high when picking a SW.

Best of luck and be safe folks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CyberFrogiii;3261381]I just wanted to say, I got caught up in a sting and the girl definitely got in my car. LE or decoy, whatever you want to call it, the statement "LEO WILL NEVER enter your car" could be misleading guys into a false sense of security.

Be safe out there.

Frogiii.[/QUOTE]Decoy. SW work with LE too. LE probably watched you the whole time. That's why MDL said scout around before you scoop. You'll miss out on some, who get scooped by careless mongers, but better safe than sorry.

As Jd said, MDL speaks the truth.

[QUOTE=SlickJr;3261424]Decoy. SW work with LE too. LE probably watched you the whole time. That's why MDL said scout around before you scoop. You'll miss out on some, who get scooped by careless mongers, but better safe than sorry.[/QUOTE]

Did the decoy actually get in your car and drive off with you before they busted you. ? Personally I have never actually seen a confirmed case where a police decoy actually got in and drove off with a guy. Now I have seen on cops where a decoy will step in a guys car and they will bust him before he closes the door and drives off. A good way to protect yourself is offer the girl a ride drive off 2 or 3 blocks before doing the cop check etc. There is actually case law that allows you give a girl a ride regardless if she is working girl or not. There is law called statutory interpretation that the law libraries have. Now if the cops did choose to bust you there is probably a you can fight this get the case dropped or win. Go hire a aggressive attorney and have him file a bunch of motions. Then go to the arraignment, plead not guilty and ask for a trial. They may drop the case then or you wait till start of the trial and see if they drop it then. If not you can always change your plea to guilty. The prosecutor will not hold it against you.

[QUOTE=CyberFrogiii;3261381]I just wanted to say, I got caught up in a sting and the girl definitely got in my car. LE or decoy, whatever you want to call it, the statement "LEO WILL NEVER enter your car" could be misleading guys into a false sense of security.

Be safe out there.

Frogiii.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CyberFrogiii;3261381]I just wanted to say, I got caught up in a sting and the girl definitely got in my car. LE or decoy, whatever you want to call it, the statement "LEO WILL NEVER enter your car" could be misleading guys into a false sense of security.

Be safe out there.

Frogiii.[/QUOTE]I've seen a sting on John are where the decoy was at Sammy D's and she got in and by the time they got to 8 mile they were swarmed with the Sheriff's deputies at the gas station. The same female rides around with another dep in a SUV.

I personally won't think about scooping a chick that I have never seen on the stroll before. I have to get some intel on her first whether it be just scoping her out for a few days or asking another SW the 411.

This is quite surprising. Did the guy actually drive 8 mile before they stopped him. ? My guess is that he did not get more than a block before they pulled them over.

[QUOTE=Jbfe147;3261883]I've seen a sting on John are where the decoy was at Sammy D's and she got in and by the time they got to 8 mile they were swarmed with the Sheriff's deputies at the gas station. The same female rides around with another dep in a SUV.

I personally won't think about scooping a chick that I have never seen on the stroll before. I have to get some intel on her first whether it be just scoping her out for a few days or asking another SW the 411.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hargow20;3262042]This is quite surprising. Did the guy actually drive 8 mile before they stopped him. ? My guess is that he did not get more than a block before they pulled them over.[/QUOTE]From the pick up to being pulled over is 1 block exactly. It blew my mind when I saw it because I had the same thought as you did.

Any clues what she looks like??

[QUOTE=DExplorer;3259490]Got off work at 5 and headed down the Ave, saw two girls out a WSW and a LSW. Scooped the WSW and after LEO checks and intros found a nice quiet spot. Goes by the name Jaelyn. Damn but that girl can suck dick. She really got into it, change speed and technique multiple times. After multiple times of being ready to pop when I finally let go she took every drop. Did spit, but well worth the. 2. Unfortunately, no phone but I'll definitely repeat.[/QUOTE]

A real LEO will not put their lives in danger by going inside your car. A decoy might do that. But the point I was making is despite whether she enters your car or not, the law is vauge where even if you stop, look at her and go constitutes a "gesture" for offer to engage. As always be safe and there is no bullet proof method to stay safe.

[QUOTE=Jbfe147;3261883]I've seen a sting on John are where the decoy was at Sammy D's and she got in and by the time they got to 8 mile they were swarmed with the Sheriff's deputies at the gas station. The same female rides around with another dep in a SUV.

I personally won't think about scooping a chick that I have never seen on the stroll before. I have to get some intel on her first whether it be just scoping her out for a few days or asking another SW the 411.[/QUOTE]

I wonder if pretending to be UBER driver and picking someone up, just pull over and say "I am your uber driver. Jennifer?" LOL. Is there a grey area that can be exploited in here?

[QUOTE=Hargow20;3261594]Did the decoy actually get in your car and drive off with you before they busted you. ? Personally I have never actually seen a confirmed case where a police decoy actually got in and drove off with a guy. Now I have seen on cops where a decoy will step in a guys car and they will bust him before he closes the door and drives off. A good way to protect yourself is offer the girl a ride drive off 2 or 3 blocks before doing the cop check etc. There is actually case law that allows you give a girl a ride regardless if she is working girl or not. There is law called statutory interpretation that the law libraries have. Now if the cops did choose to bust you there is probably a you can fight this get the case dropped or win. Go hire a aggressive attorney and have him file a bunch of motions. Then go to the arraignment, plead not guilty and ask for a trial. They may drop the case then or you wait till start of the trial and see if they drop it then. If not you can always change your plea to guilty. The prosecutor will not hold it against you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gilfoyle;3262917]A real LEO will not put their lives in danger by going inside your car. A decoy might do that. But the point I was making is despite whether she enters your car or not, the law is vauge where even if you stop, look at her and go constitutes a "gesture" for offer to engage. As always be safe and there is no bullet proof method to stay safe.[/QUOTE]This is true Gil. Decoy to me is 'SW working for le'. Instead of UC. UC will never get in the ride. My bad if a I confused anyone with my wording.

[QUOTE=SlickJr;3262962]This is true Gil. Decoy to me is 'SW working for le'. Instead of UC. UC will never get in the ride. My bad if a I confused anyone with my wording.[/QUOTE]Well I know what I see almost every day over there and this one is not a decoy she's a sheriff's dep. She got in a car, sorry this isn't 1970, it's a new day, new rules and LE don't play fair.

[QUOTE=LetsTry12;3262676]Any clues what she looks like??[/QUOTE]Here's a pic of her.

[QUOTE=Jbfe147;3263013]Here's a pic of her.[/QUOTE]She's a little thinner now (the candy) and seemed closer to blond, but yeah, that's her. Still amazed by her skills and enthusiasm.

Here's your confirmed case. She was on the corner in front of the Ratskeller on the Are. I turned down the side street. She got in. I proceeded to the stop sign then made a left right into a hornet's nest. All of that is history for me now, but I learned alot. Many of my mistakes I found in the USASG rule book after the fact. Good stuff in there. Good advice from members here as well.

Frogiii.

[QUOTE=Hargow20;3261594]Did the decoy actually get in your car and drive off with you before they busted you. ? Personally I have never actually seen a confirmed case where a police decoy actually got in and drove off with a guy. Now I have seen on cops where a decoy will step in a guys car and they will bust him before he closes the door and drives off. A good way to protect yourself is offer the girl a ride drive off 2 or 3 blocks before doing the cop check etc. There is actually case law that allows you give a girl a ride regardless if she is working girl or not. There is law called statutory interpretation that the law libraries have. Now if the cops did choose to bust you there is probably a you can fight this get the case dropped or win. Go hire a aggressive attorney and have him file a bunch of motions. Then go to the arraignment, plead not guilty and ask for a trial. They may drop the case then or you wait till start of the trial and see if they drop it then. If not you can always change your plea to guilty. The prosecutor will not hold it against you.[/QUOTE]