"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[BookerTNelson]

I have been in the bowl all of 4 days and would like to share a little about my experience.

First off though, a really huge shout out to the mongers who contribute to this SB thread. I have been reading it for the last 2 years and when I joined the bowl, I felt like a veteran with the knowledge I had. Much appreciated!

My ground rules are: sticking mainly with 18 - 22. Have 2 in early 30's, but wow time is never kind to women it seems. The stark difference between a 20 and 30 year-old is really highlighted in SA. Even 26 shows a big slide in looks.

Results so far in 4 days:

1. Got the numbers of 12 SBs - 10 of which are DTF. Only dealing with DTF ones. Had a few others, but if not DTF I am out.

2. Of the 10 SBs, 8 agreed to BBFS.

3. Of the 8 BBFS, 6 agreed to CIP.

4. Of the 6, I might ditch 2 because they were clearly serious UTR pros. One said had motel in area (without prompting) and the other straight out asked "how much I will pay. " A bit too transactional (STG-ish) for me. One looks really nice so I might still see her once if I can get a reasonable rate for multiple pops.

5. Of the 4 left, have 2 meet and greets scheduled next week. No discussion of $ yet. One agreed to meet at FC with still no discussion of $ yet. We will see if she follows through.

6. I will take a couple gift cards with me and the usual stuff the veterans recommend. I will also take some hard cash to keep everything on the up and up because they say they need "help". And we all know they are on SA for financial assistance. As one monger put it a couple days ago, most of these girls are just one step above a standard hooker. SA gives them cover to pretend they are not. Hey, to them, an arrangement is not a cash for sex transaction. OK, whatever floats their boat.

7. I have couple POTs who only communicate on the site for now. They are also DTF, but not counting them until I have number and we move to texting and meet and greet set-up.

8. I told a couple 18 yr-olds that I would need to see ID. They looked way, way young. And they both ghosted me. Good. That means they are nothing but trouble.

9. Already ran into one that told me she had the incurable H. At least she was honest, I guess. Dropped her obviously. Another 19 year-old said she had endometriosis after the issue of whether she was DTF came up. Hmm. Sounds like a scam because she was all fun and games until the DTF part came up. Clueless. Why have those pics of the bod if cannot put out? Personally, I think it is a ruse, but moving on.

10. I have 35 messages still to be opened and read. One thing I learned is that, for most of these SBs, communication is not a strong attribute. Well, may explain partly why they are on the site to begin with. Easier to post a profile than actually talk to a guy in person to get what they want.

11. I agree that many come and go on the site based on $$ needs. I just do not get the impression based on conversation that most get a dedicated SD. Not sure what the point of that would be with all the new 18 - 22 always joining the site. Of the 4 meet and greets scheduled 2 are all new, within 5 days of joining.

12. Found some very good intel using the site recommended a couple pages back by senior member FarFarAway. Thanks dude.

https://www.truepeoplesearch.com

Dam, I knew one girl was living with her grandmother before she told me. One thing with this site is you have to manually enter the phone numbers, as cut and paste does not work and returns an error (at least it did for me) - guess that is to prevent bots wreaking havoc.

Have not tried the there site yet. Also posted By FarFarAway:

https://www.familytreenow.com

13. I do not have pic on my profile and it did not seem to impact much. So far. I can put a "fake" one that is close if I find it becomes an issue. Only 4 or 5 asked for a pic and I told them I needed total 100% discretion and had no issue meeting in public. All except one agreed to that.

14. Overall, I will see what happens with these, but for 12 real number contacts and the majority DTF and half BBFS in 4 days I am not complaining. We will see what shakes out in the wash as actual DTFs in person. Also one thing I found is if I put my number at the end of the text message over 80% of SBs just text me instead of messaging through the site. The other 20% I just said text me and they did.

Again, thanks for all the advice in advance and especially to Truncated, The Cardinal and DogBert77 for making signing up with pre-paid card an easy task.

Circle back when you've met with some. I've found that planning too far ahead of time is pointless as a good majority will either flake, just forget or something will "pop up".

[OliverNP]

Hoping some of the traveling type SDs can help with this one. I've been looking for a better way to manage POT contacts across multiple cities I travel regularly to (about 10), and I'm having trouble finding a good solution that integrates with mobile devices. I've tried various approaches with Excel, Evernote, OneNote, etc. But I'm looking for a better solution and I figured someone else probably already has this down.

I want to be able to create entries showing a screenshot of the girls SA profile and a few pics on PC or Mac, but be able to easily view or make small edits on phone or tablet (either iPhone or Android), and record her profile name, a few notes about such as days she's unavailable or other specifics (so storage needs to be cloud based).

One important feature is I want is to easily filter by city so that when I'm in that city I'm able to see my POTs in that city easily, complete with photos, profile screenshot and notes I've captured. The SA website itself is not acceptable of course for this purpose, because girls hide / delete / inactivate their profile all the time even though they are available to see SDs they already know. Ease and workflow of new entry is important. For example, I want to be able to easily take a screen clip (Snipping Tool on Windows) and paste the images in (saving images then importing them would be too cumbersome at high volume). I don't want any sort of integration with the contact list of my phone, as like many I keep my sugaring life separate from regular life. To give an idea of " high volume", I probably see between 50-100 separate SBs a year across 10 cities, but the volume of new contact entries is much higher, because there are probably 50 POTS I never meet for every one that I actually do, so I need a solution with decent image storage.

I have a hunch there is a great cross platform "personal contact manager" solution out there that would be ideal for this, it's just a matter of finding it. I've been watching this forum a long time but haven't seen this topic approached.

What do you guys use?

[OliverNP]

I definitely wouldn't play games like this. It's the best way to get a rape charge. Your DNA is obviously all over her and the DNA from your skin cells are under her fingernails and all over her house. Even if you have proof that she was a prostitute; men go to jail every day for raping prostitutes. Men even get convicted of raping their own wives. I'd just stick to the arrangement and leave the girls completely satisfied. I don't like to go and borrow problems. And I never give them half. Even if they take half of the money with a smile, they're telling all their friends that you scammed them and probably plotting against you.

I'm normally a quiet observer of this forum, but felt the need to respond here. I don't think any of us should go through life assuming a rape accusation looms around every corner. If I allowed myself to think that way, I would have missed out on a lot of pussy, and I've had hundreds of girls off SA alone, many of which I would call "typical hot-chick-bat-shit crazy", and some I would describe as highly unstable emotionally.

I believe a simple trick can prevent many problems: Within a couple of hours or so after the meet is over, follow up with a couple of texts praising how awesome she is, how glad you met, etc. Most of the time they beat me to this, because I've asked them to text me when they are home safely after an Uber ride or drive home, etc. , but if they don't text first be sure to do it before the next day.

It serves many purposes.

First, almost all women hate to get fucked then ignored, they feel insulted and take it personally when it happens. Not following up is a good reason a lot of these "date rape" accusations occur, some women believe that if they aren't still on your mind after you blew your load, then they have been taken advantage of in some way.

Second, if there is a problem at all, it gives you a chance to get in front of it and fix it before it becomes a major problem (don't let them sit and stew). If they aren't happy with the gift they got, apologize and promise to make it up next time even if you have decided they aren't worthy of a next time.

Most of the time their response is something like "that was such an amazing night! I can't wait to see you again! Anything that indicates positivity and that they were fine when you left them provides proof they were not raped or taken advantage of in any way.

[DWinthrop]

I have been in the bowl all of 4 days and would like to share a little about my experience.

First off though, a really huge shout out to the mongers who contribute to this SB thread. I have been reading it for the last 2 years and when I joined the bowl, I felt like a veteran with the knowledge I had. Much appreciated!

My ground rules are: sticking mainly with 18 - 22. Have 2 in early 30's, but wow time is never kind to women it seems. The stark difference between a 20 and 30 year-old is really highlighted in SA. Even 26 shows a big slide in looks.

Results so far in 4 days:

1. Got the numbers of 12 SBs - 10 of which are DTF. Only dealing with DTF ones. Had a few others, but if not DTF I am out.

2. Of the 10 SBs, 8 agreed to BBFS.

3. Of the 8 BBFS, 6 agreed to CIP.

4. Of the 6, I might ditch 2 because they were clearly serious UTR pros. One said had motel in area (without prompting) and the other straight out asked "how much I will pay. " A bit too transactional (STG-ish) for me. One looks really nice so I might still see her once if I can get a reasonable rate for multiple pops.

5. Of the 4 left, have 2 meet and greets scheduled next week. No discussion of $ yet. One agreed to meet at FC with still no discussion of $ yet. We will see if she follows through.

6. I will take a couple gift cards with me and the usual stuff the veterans recommend. I will also take some hard cash to keep everything on the up and up because they say they need "help". And we all know they are on SA for financial assistance. As one monger put it a couple days ago, most of these girls are just one step above a standard hooker. SA gives them cover to pretend they are not. Hey, to them, an arrangement is not a cash for sex transaction. OK, whatever floats their boat.

7. I have couple POTs who only communicate on the site for now. They are also DTF, but not counting them until I have number and we move to texting and meet and greet set-up.

8. I told a couple 18 yr-olds that I would need to see ID. They looked way, way young. And they both ghosted me. Good. That means they are nothing but trouble.

9. Already ran into one that told me she had the incurable H. At least she was honest, I guess. Dropped her obviously. Another 19 year-old said she had endometriosis after the issue of whether she was DTF came up. Hmm. Sounds like a scam because she was all fun and games until the DTF part came up. Clueless. Why have those pics of the bod if cannot put out? Personally, I think it is a ruse, but moving on.

10. I have 35 messages still to be opened and read. One thing I learned is that, for most of these SBs, communication is not a strong attribute. Well, may explain partly why they are on the site to begin with. Easier to post a profile than actually talk to a guy in person to get what they want.

11. I agree that many come and go on the site based on $$ needs. I just do not get the impression based on conversation that most get a dedicated SD. Not sure what the point of that would be with all the new 18 - 22 always joining the site. Of the 4 meet and greets scheduled 2 are all new, within 5 days of joining.

12. Found some very good intel using the site recommended a couple pages back by senior member FarFarAway. Thanks dude.

https://www.truepeoplesearch.com

Dam, I knew one girl was living with her grandmother before she told me. One thing with this site is you have to manually enter the phone numbers, as cut and paste does not work and returns an error (at least it did for me) - guess that is to prevent bots wreaking havoc.

Have not tried the there site yet. Also posted By FarFarAway:

https://www.familytreenow.com

13. I do not have pic on my profile and it did not seem to impact much. So far. I can put a "fake" one that is close if I find it becomes an issue. Only 4 or 5 asked for a pic and I told them I needed total 100% discretion and had no issue meeting in public. All except one agreed to that.

14. Overall, I will see what happens with these, but for 12 real number contacts and the majority DTF and half BBFS in 4 days I am not complaining. We will see what shakes out in the wash as actual DTFs in person. Also one thing I found is if I put my number at the end of the text message over 80% of SBs just text me instead of messaging through the site. The other 20% I just said text me and they did.

Again, thanks for all the advice in advance and especially to Truncated, The Cardinal and DogBert77 for making signing up with pre-paid card an easy task.

It doesn't sound like you have met any of them yet?? Am I reading this correctly?

[HappyHunter44]

I have been in the bowl all of 4 days and would like to share a little about my experience.

First off though, a really huge shout out to the mongers who contribute to this SB thread. I have been reading it for the last 2 years and when I joined the bowl, I felt like a veteran with the knowledge I had. Much appreciated!

My ground rules are: sticking mainly with 18 - 22. Have 2 in early 30's, but wow time is never kind to women it seems. The stark difference between a 20 and 30 year-old is really highlighted in SA. Even 26 shows a big slide in looks.

Results so far in 4 days:

1. Got the numbers of 12 SBs - 10 of which are DTF. Only dealing with DTF ones. Had a few others, but if not DTF I am out.

2. Of the 10 SBs, 8 agreed to BBFS.

3. Of the 8 BBFS, 6 agreed to CIP.

4. Of the 6, I might ditch 2 because they were clearly serious UTR pros. One said had motel in area (without prompting) and the other straight out asked "how much I will pay. " A bit too transactional (STG-ish) for me. One looks really nice so I might still see her once if I can get a reasonable rate for multiple pops.

5. Of the 4 left, have 2 meet and greets scheduled next week. No discussion of $ yet. One agreed to meet at FC with still no discussion of $ yet. We will see if she follows through.

6. I will take a couple gift cards with me and the usual stuff the veterans recommend. I will also take some hard cash to keep everything on the up and up because they say they need "help". And we all know they are on SA for financial assistance. As one monger put it a couple days ago, most of these girls are just one step above a standard hooker. SA gives them cover to pretend they are not. Hey, to them, an arrangement is not a cash for sex transaction. OK, whatever floats their boat.

7. I have couple POTs who only communicate on the site for now. They are also DTF, but not counting them until I have number and we move to texting and meet and greet set-up.

8. I told a couple 18 yr-olds that I would need to see ID. They looked way, way young. And they both ghosted me. Good. That means they are nothing but trouble.

9. Already ran into one that told me she had the incurable H. At least she was honest, I guess. Dropped her obviously. Another 19 year-old said she had endometriosis after the issue of whether she was DTF came up. Hmm. Sounds like a scam because she was all fun and games until the DTF part came up. Clueless. Why have those pics of the bod if cannot put out? Personally, I think it is a ruse, but moving on.

10. I have 35 messages still to be opened and read. One thing I learned is that, for most of these SBs, communication is not a strong attribute. Well, may explain partly why they are on the site to begin with. Easier to post a profile than actually talk to a guy in person to get what they want.

11. I agree that many come and go on the site based on $$ needs. I just do not get the impression based on conversation that most get a dedicated SD. Not sure what the point of that would be with all the new 18 - 22 always joining the site. Of the 4 meet and greets scheduled 2 are all new, within 5 days of joining.

12. Found some very good intel using the site recommended a couple pages back by senior member FarFarAway. Thanks dude.

https://www.truepeoplesearch.com

Dam, I knew one girl was living with her grandmother before she told me. One thing with this site is you have to manually enter the phone numbers, as cut and paste does not work and returns an error (at least it did for me) - guess that is to prevent bots wreaking havoc.

Have not tried the there site yet. Also posted By FarFarAway:

https://www.familytreenow.com

13. I do not have pic on my profile and it did not seem to impact much. So far. I can put a "fake" one that is close if I find it becomes an issue. Only 4 or 5 asked for a pic and I told them I needed total 100% discretion and had no issue meeting in public. All except one agreed to that.

14. Overall, I will see what happens with these, but for 12 real number contacts and the majority DTF and half BBFS in 4 days I am not complaining. We will see what shakes out in the wash as actual DTFs in person. Also one thing I found is if I put my number at the end of the text message over 80% of SBs just text me instead of messaging through the site. The other 20% I just said text me and they did.

Again, thanks for all the advice in advance and especially to Truncated, The Cardinal and DogBert77 for making signing up with pre-paid card an easy task.

[Ernest Ll]

I just offer to give them my bank account info and they can take what they want.

If they actually respond to it, I give them the banking info of one of my former employees who stole from me -- who obviously is broke or he wouldn't have been stealing!

[DCSeeker]

Mandyflower7 - Asked for pictures and asked if I was super generous. When I said that I don't send pictures (politely), she blocked.

Presently talking to this one. Any info available? Thanks.

https://www.seeking.com/member/ee2c0...5-cf2ac85b05fd

On these girls "traditional" dating sites, it's pics-only. Nobody reads profiles. Pics are these girls way of life. They also want to make sure they don't know us. We are all operating in the area that we live and work in. I ask for pics because I'm a professor and I need to make sure I'm not going to show up at a meet and greet and see one of my students. I'm not trying to destroy my career by propositioning a student. I also wouldn't want to proposition any of my daughters friends. I'm sure they have the same concerns about their parents friends.

[EasyeOne]

Here's another one. Saving folks the trouble. Willing to talk if I have money (cashapp / paypal only) - for pics / vids: https://www.seeking.com/member/111fa...6-e26cbd0d1adc.

[MikeJones1962]

All are good points. I do know where she works so I would assume she wouldn't like the school to find out she's a SB if thing went down that road but best to not have to find that out.

I'd just like to echo what everyone else has already said here. Last year, I was involved with what I consider to be a unicorn sb. She was 20, college student, had her own place etc. Multiple sessions in one date for under two bills. It was addictive After the first couple of times meeting, she started asking if I wanted to hang out cost free and go on dates. When I declined she started to get threatening and increasingly belligerent. At the end of the day, if I had ever been with her in a non transactional manner I think it could have gotten very ugly for me and I'm not married and have no where near as much to lose as you. Think with you're head. If you don't want to pay these girls then go on tinder or some other more traditional method of stepping out on your wife. Sorry if any of this was rude it wasn't my intent. Just another warming from someone who almost made the mistake.

[Truncated]

If you've never been in a relationship with a psycho, you have no idea. And this one is no different -- ALL the girls on SA are high on the "hot / crazy matrix. ".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=incSwssUyp4

Wise advice.

Don't mess with crazy.

Been there, dealt with the fallout.

I would rather call a 250 lb drunk football player a pussy, than piss off a 110 lb blonde crazy woman.

[SamTam]

Mandyflower7 - Asked for pictures and asked if I was super generous. When I said that I don't send pictures (politely), she blocked.

Presently talking to this one. Any info available? Thanks.

https://www.seeking.com/member/ee2c0...5-cf2ac85b05fd

[ChrisCarr]

She's 24, has a teaching job and her own apartment. The problem is I'm married so it has to stay on the DL so no public shopping trips or traditional dates. We have limited windows of a couple hours between when she gets home from school and I have to be home with my family. I think I will try asking her if there's anything I can help her with rather than leaving a straight up donation which she never asked for in the first place. Really tasty little redhead spinner, with a pierced hood and the sweetest ass I've ever seen.

EBob.

Don't get greedy. Honor your end of the deal and be grateful for what you have. A hot freaky teacher that hosts multiple hours for 2 bills. This is about as good as it gets in the sugar bowl.

[TomDickNHarry]

This profile is a great example of the fakes and scammers that are prevalent on there. Every day she lists a new city, I talked with her when she was showing mine, then next day I noticed she was in California, then a day later Calgary. No doubt she / he / it changes the city and finds new targets to run some pic selling, travel money, advances, etc on. I'm noticing this on more and more profiles lately, especially the ones with pics that look too good to be true.

https://www.seeking.com/member/42849...0-76ce42f14f7f

[Sterling44]

I've seen a few of you post about how after the first time or two you've gotten SB's to start giving it for free. I have one who I saw the first time a couple weeks ago, there was no mention of or request for money during the initial messaging. I came to her apartment, we hung out and talked for about an hour, I made my move which ended up with me plowing her bareback and blowing a load on her beautiful ass. Still no request for money. I'm relatively new at this so I casually left $$ on her kitchen counter on my way out. Going back tomorrow and I imagine I've created an expectation of the same gift this time.

Curious to hear from those of you who claim to have gotten them off the gift after a few times on how you did it.

EBob.

I definitely wouldn't play games like this. It's the best way to get a rape charge. Your DNA is obviously all over her and the DNA from your skin cells are under her fingernails and all over her house. Even if you have proof that she was a prostitute; men go to jail every day for raping prostitutes. Men even get convicted of raping their own wives. I'd just stick to the arrangement and leave the girls completely satisfied. I don't like to go and borrow problems. And I never give them half. Even if they take half of the money with a smile, they're telling all their friends that you scammed them and probably plotting against you.

[TomDickNHarry]

She's 24, has a teaching job and her own apartment. The problem is I'm married so it has to stay on the DL so no public shopping trips or traditional dates. We have limited windows of a couple hours between when she gets home from school and I have to be home with my family. I think I will try asking her if there's anything I can help her with rather than leaving a straight up donation which she never asked for in the first place. Really tasty little redhead spinner, with a pierced hood and the sweetest ass I've ever seen.

EBob.

I think that taking the support down a bit is an understandable goal but attempting to eliminate it is not fair. I think your idea to ask her what she needs help with is not a bad approach, but keep in mind that's providing an opening to start asking for things MORE than your first donation too. And $$ with a hoster is a pretty decent deal these days so I'd almost be thinking about how not to blow it rather than get the money down.

Another alternative to asking her what she wants is to bring things like gift cards. Since you hung out an hour she may have mentioned what she likes to eat or where to shop or something like that. Get a couple of gift cards that total to say 120 or 150. Like if she said she likes Carraba's get her a $50 gift card and tell her you want to buy her dinner even though you can't take her out, another for $50 to Sephora (they all need makeup) and bring her favorite bottle of liqor, maybe even some flowers. Total damage 150 or less but b / c it was thoughtful she'll think less of the amount. And you can get all this with one trip to the supermarket.

I might try that but I'd also consider just leaving the $$. If she's talking with you still it means she wasn't disappointed in that, and I wouldn't assume just b / c she didn't ask for that doesn't mean she still wasn't expecting it.