The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[ArmyNiceGuy]

Pretty sure I was in the normal range offering $$, but in the last two weeks have a number of SBs walking away saying they generally get more. Am I a cheap bastard? I figured by the time I buy dinner, get a room, and give the allowance, it's a pricey date, but at least 5 in two weeks saying they might "lower" to $$$ to see me, but that is their lowest.

Would love feedback / discussion with group on current expectations.

Gibbs.

One thing to keep in mind this time of year, it's the last couple weeks of the semester so a lot of college babies are very busy right now with exams and papers. As such their free time may be more scarce and therefore more expensive. I would hold off until next week or even after the holidays and see if the market lowers.

[DirtyDeeds38]

My two cents based on a number of years of experience:

1. Anyone offering more than $$ per meet is a fool and sucker. Supply and demand and if you have many SB contacts and monitor the desperation of their communications, you KNOW the supply is abundant. If it's an overnight and they are exceptional, I might go more. Many girls will follow up with me and do not even care if I offer an allowance sometimes. They just want to hookup. It happens. So unless you're really like some slob, or nasty, you can find girls into you. Anything goes on the site. The supply is insane and offering too much just ruins it for them and all us.

2. Anyone paying a girl for a meet and greet a dime is a man fool. Lots of girls like to try and play that game. Do not fall for it. You're fool if you do. It's sugar for sugar, period. I don't need to pay some girl for simply having a drink, or dinner. Fuck that! I pay her for her alone time, but not sex either. I only go with girls who would want the sex regardless of sugar. IE, they are into the sex just as much, if not more that me.

3. Protect yourself at all times. Many of these girls are literally bat shit crazy and I do not say that lightly. They can get crazy and try and extort, or think they are into you and get even crazier.

Those of you offering up 400-500 are genuine fat whales to the girls and are pissing your money away.

[Member #5790]

I mentally grade them all A-D. A for young, gorgeous, desirable girls down to D for older, bigger, less attractive, far away, whatever. I might offer more if I catch the attention of an outstanding A girl, but $$ has been good for me for many A-B girls. I offer 120-150 for the C-D range and have been successful with that as well, but it's not guaranteed. I've also met two girls several times each basically for free (just cost of meal and hotel) because nobody else paid them any attention (thanks guys! I also had one really great girl from out of town for gas money and I let her stay in the hotel overnight. Risky, I know, but it turned out fine and I got to see her again the next morning too before checkout. There's all kinds on this site and they're all looking for / will accept something different.

Thanks Yaya. I do offer on-going as this typically generates lower ranges vs one time. Game has worked for a year at the stated level. Many successful negotiations, so wondering if others were seeing the same increase. Or maybe it's the Christmas budget. LOL.

Stay safe,

Gibbs.

[Gibbs70]

Thanks Yaya. I do offer on-going as this typically generates lower ranges vs one time. Game has worked for a year at the stated level. Many successful negotiations, so wondering if others were seeing the same increase. Or maybe it's the Christmas budget. LOL.

Stay safe,

Gibbs.

Some thoughts on this.

- Remember SA is a marketplace, sometimes the market goes higher and sometimes it goes lower. You might just be in a rising market.

- Most times it depends on the SB's you are approaching. Desirable traits such as youth, looks, experience, body type, ethnicity, etc generate a lot more interest from SD's = higher meet prices.

- This is a negotiation. I've met plenty of SB's that open at a range higher than what I'm willing to pay then lower it afterward, allowing the arrangement to happen. If you have any game then use it and close the deal.

- Are you offering a one time meet or an ongoing arrangement. Many girls will go lower per meet if you are meeting weekly, something I like to do.

- When girls start on the site they have an idea of what a SD SHOULD be in their mind (think Christian Grey) and they are flooded with offers (some real and some bs) so their sense of worth is at its highest. Once some time has passed reality hits them and many lower their asking price. Some will not.

- There are a lot more factors imo, but mostly remember that this is a numbers game! There are MANY more SB's in this area than there are SD's, so if one or ten or twenty don't like your budget simply go to the next one or lower your expectations.

- For the record, that is within the range of what I donate per meet. Good luck!

Yaya.

[Gibbs70]

Be careful out there. This one took off with half the $ while I was getting room.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...4-caceb3ff48d6

[YayaGogo]

Pretty sure I was in the normal range offering $$, but in the last two weeks have a number of SBs walking away saying they generally get more. Am I a cheap bastard? I figured by the time I buy dinner, get a room, and give the allowance, it's a pricey date, but at least 5 in two weeks saying they might "lower" to $$$ to see me, but that is their lowest.

Would love feedback / discussion with group on current expectations.

Gibbs.

Some thoughts on this.

- Remember SA is a marketplace, sometimes the market goes higher and sometimes it goes lower. You might just be in a rising market.

- Most times it depends on the SB's you are approaching. Desirable traits such as youth, looks, experience, body type, ethnicity, etc generate a lot more interest from SD's = higher meet prices.

- This is a negotiation. I've met plenty of SB's that open at a range higher than what I'm willing to pay then lower it afterward, allowing the arrangement to happen. If you have any game then use it and close the deal.

- Are you offering a one time meet or an ongoing arrangement. Many girls will go lower per meet if you are meeting weekly, something I like to do.

- When girls start on the site they have an idea of what a SD SHOULD be in their mind (think Christian Grey) and they are flooded with offers (some real and some bs) so their sense of worth is at its highest. Once some time has passed reality hits them and many lower their asking price. Some will not.

- There are a lot more factors imo, but mostly remember that this is a numbers game! There are MANY more SB's in this area than there are SD's, so if one or ten or twenty don't like your budget simply go to the next one or lower your expectations.

- For the record, that is within the range of what I donate per meet. Good luck!

Yaya.

[Gibbs70]

Pretty sure I was in the normal range offering $$, but in the last two weeks have a number of SBs walking away saying they generally get more. Am I a cheap bastard? I figured by the time I buy dinner, get a room, and give the allowance, it's a pricey date, but at least 5 in two weeks saying they might "lower" to $$$ to see me, but that is their lowest.

Would love feedback / discussion with group on current expectations.

Gibbs.

[Righton1960]

On the flipside, I put a different Triangle town in my location and tend to look more in the neighboring towns anyway. Lowers the potential to run into one another in the wild. Plenty of the POTs have legit reasons to play out of town too. I just make that part of the early conversation. I figure if she says she's in Raleigh, them I don't need to factor in her traveling to me, you know?

Been playing in the bowl for a year, but twice this past week I've been working a "local" girl only to find out later she is over an hour away. I understand discretion but be in the ball park.

Wineandfine says Raleigh, but is in High Point. Says "she likes the drive", I'd bet she has ripped off enough locals and needs to expand her pool.

XoxAubrey says Cary, but is in Southern Pines.

Sharing Intel for those that don't mind travel, as xoxAubrey seems really nice.

Stay safe my friends.

Gibbs.

[Lockleaj59]

Hazzeb. Very nice looking young lady. We chatted made arrangements for her to come to me in Faye it was all going well until she mentioned she gets. 2 just for going out to dinner that's not including the price of the meal. I'm like did I mention I accidentally messaged you?

Been playing in the bowl for a year, but twice this past week I've been working a "local" girl only to find out later she is over an hour away. I understand discretion but be in the ball park.

Wineandfine says Raleigh, but is in High Point. Says "she likes the drive", I'd bet she has ripped off enough locals and needs to expand her pool.

XoxAubrey says Cary, but is in Southern Pines.

Sharing Intel for those that don't mind travel, as xoxAubrey seems really nice.

Stay safe my friends.

Gibbs.

[Gibbs70]

Been playing in the bowl for a year, but twice this past week I've been working a "local" girl only to find out later she is over an hour away. I understand discretion but be in the ball park.

Wineandfine says Raleigh, but is in High Point. Says "she likes the drive", I'd bet she has ripped off enough locals and needs to expand her pool.

XoxAubrey says Cary, but is in Southern Pines.

Sharing Intel for those that don't mind travel, as xoxAubrey seems really nice.

Stay safe my friends.

Gibbs.

[YayaGogo]

I agree with this for the most part and always assume there are other SD's involved, which does not bother me in the least as I don't demand (or want to pay for) exclusivity. We aren't looking for girlfriends or monogamous relationships on here, so expect that mentality to go both ways with regards to the SB's. Girls will of course say that for obvious reasons, though.

That said, if a younger girl has just created her account and says she's new I would be more inclined to believe her. I've also been with a handful over the years that had genuine curiosity, were not fixated on the money, were extremely inexperienced, and immediately closed / deactivated their accounts after starting things with me (confirmed with my alternate account). In fact I'm pursuing one such student athlete (track and field) right now that closed her account after only 3 days because guys were so disrespectful in their messages it turned her off.

Yaya.

Every single one of these girls, no matter how naive, how innocent what story they have is seeing more than one of you. 100% every single last one. If you are not capable of dealing with that, then do not sugar date. Not trying to be harsh, just factual. All these girls lie and act naive and such and that is fine. It's part of the game. The really good ones will make you feel special and like you're the one. The less intelligent ones will act like back page girls. And many might just as well be.

[Joerdu]

Every single one of these girls, no matter how naive, how innocent what story they have is seeing more than one of you. 100% every single last one. If you are not capable of dealing with that, then do not sugar date. Not trying to be harsh, just factual. All these girls lie and act naive and such and that is fine. It's part of the game. The really good ones will make you feel special and like you're the one. The less intelligent ones will act like back page girls. And many might just as well be.

Oh I completely agree. Was just making a comment on how the conversation had gone.

[DirtyDeeds38]

Agree on arabvixen: story seems sketchy. Claims to have never done this before. She has invited me to meet for coffee and then hang out, I have held off.

I see Elizrdu is on right now. Anyone seen her?

Every single one of these girls, no matter how naive, how innocent what story they have is seeing more than one of you. 100% every single last one. If you are not capable of dealing with that, then do not sugar date. Not trying to be harsh, just factual. All these girls lie and act naive and such and that is fine. It's part of the game. The really good ones will make you feel special and like you're the one. The less intelligent ones will act like back page girls. And many might just as well be.

[Hummer5205]

I've seen her several times. She is pretty smart and a nice girl but a bit off sometimes, but is legit and down for pretty much anything. I got the impression she's temporarily down on her luck and needs funds to help pay rent etc. Good luck!

Yaya.

Arabvixen is real. I have only seen here once so far. But pics are real and as YayaGogo said, she is pretty much down for anything. She is a lot of fun!

[Joerdu]

I've seen her several times. She is pretty smart and a nice girl but a bit off sometimes, but is legit and down for pretty much anything. I got the impression she's temporarily down on her luck and needs funds to help pay rent etc. Good luck!

Yaya.

Glad it is good with her. I got the sense she was not being straight when saying she had not seen anyone else.