The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[YayaGogo]

Just to let you all know, some scammers have recently tried to target me with the underage girl scam. Don't fall for it!

Here's how it worked: An over 18 account is set up on SA which they then use to message you and move it on to text. While texting they try to get a pic from you and your name. The girl eventually sends private pics unsolicited, at which point I asked her to confirm her age. She says she's almost 17 but really into older guys yada yada. I say not interested, report her account and block her number. The next day I get a text from her 'dad' from another number saying he's going to get me arrested for child porn and to call him immediately. I'm aware of the scam and I ignore him. Later in the day I get a voicemail from a 'sheriff' in another state saying they're starting the arrest process and I should call him back immediately (to a number not matching the caller I'd) to tell my side of the story and to settle this. I googled the number on the caller I'd which was spoofed from an actual LE office in another state to make it look official, so I call back at the official number (not at the alternate number left in the VM) I ask to speak to the sheriff by name and it's a different guy that has no idea what I'm talking about. He tells me it's a very common scam on internet dating sites and such. The 'father' then texts me later on in the day saying his daughter got suspended from school and I'll be arrested if I don't speak with him, at which point I tell him I'm aware it's a scam and that LE is very interested in meeting with him and his 'daughter'. Never heard back after that but it occurred to me that some of you might be also targets of this scam and might not know what to do.

Remember:

- Use either a burner phone, GV, or both for SA communications. Scammers will cross reference your number with social media apps to find out all about you.

- Don't use your real name for SA if you can avoid it.

- Even if the age of consent in your state is 16 or 17, it's still illegal to send / receive nude pics from minors and you will be prosecuted if the complaint is legitimate.

- If someone is trying to scam you for money, don't engage them and they'll eventually go away.

- No LE will encourage you to 'settle' a crime for money.

- 18 should be young enough for anyone on this board. Going younger will permanently alter your entire life as you know it.

Don't be stupid!

Yaya.

[YayaGogo]

Anyone seeing an increase in number collectors?* 2 in the last 2 days asking fir name and number so they "can call me". Will not provide me their nunber, but closed profile before I could get this written. * I remember the one tag line was something like: ready for the flip.

Anyone have experience with this one?* Looks TGTBT, and asked me if I was free for dinner on first contact yesterday.

*https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...7-638cbd71fc95.

Be safe,

Gibbs.

It could be that they are wary of posting anything explicit on the SA message system, or they are really careful. You want their number anyways so I say just go ahead and give it if you're interested and they ask. I assume you're not using your real name or main number and use a burner phone or number app like GV. I've had girls contact me weeks or months after our initial convo died out, so who knows their motivation?

I've been contacted by the girl you inquired about but have been way too busy to follow up and tbh I'm not sure which of the two is behind the account haha. If you don't want to invest time or money in dinner for something uncertain, offer a coffee or juice bar meet instead. If she balks, maybe she just wanted a free meal. Let us all know how it worked out!

Yaya.

[Member #5790]

I'm finding some but I agree it's been quiet. I've also noticed the increase in number collectors. I've had two in the last couple of days as well. The sugar bowl is still way better than BP though.

Anyone seeing an increase in number collectors?* 2 in the last 2 days asking fir name and number so they "can call me". Will not provide me their nunber, but closed profile before I could get this written. * I remember the one tag line was something like: ready for the flip.

For someone interested in slightly bigger girls, this one is sweet and really wants a Daddy. * Some initial restrictions,* but sounds like she has kink needs when she finds the right one. * I tried, but need petite. * No M&G, just got to know each other in the room. * A little shy, but really wants to please.

*https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...5-6e4946316911.

*.

Anyone have experience with this one?* Looks TGTBT, and asked me if I was free for dinner on first contact yesterday.

*https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...7-638cbd71fc95.

Be safe,

Gibbs.

[Gibbs70]

Anyone seeing an increase in number collectors?* 2 in the last 2 days asking fir name and number so they "can call me". Will not provide me their nunber, but closed profile before I could get this written. * I remember the one tag line was something like: ready for the flip.

For someone interested in slightly bigger girls, this one is sweet and really wants a Daddy. * Some initial restrictions,* but sounds like she has kink needs when she finds the right one. * I tried, but need petite. * No M&G, just got to know each other in the room. * A little shy, but really wants to please.

*https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...5-6e4946316911.

*.

Anyone have experience with this one?* Looks TGTBT, and asked me if I was free for dinner on first contact yesterday.

*https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...7-638cbd71fc95.

Be safe,

Gibbs.

[OrdinaryJohn]

Hey All.

I've had good luck in the Charlotte area on SA, but going to be in Raleigh on business in a couple of weeks. Looking for someone I can hook up with while in town. I'd be glad to trade info on a couple girls in Charlotte.

Thanks in advance!

[Triad Traveler]

Correction. 500.

She is a pro for sure. I dreAmed of her in Greensboro once. Watched her get in and out of pimps car. Damage was 2. 00. But she rushed in and out.

[Gibbs70]

Anyone experience this one? Might be a little too freaky for me, but I must say I am intrigued.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...f-341c2a20d5f9

[ArmyNiceGuy]

Pretty sure I was in the normal range offering $$, but in the last two weeks have a number of SBs walking away saying they generally get more. Am I a cheap bastard? I figured by the time I buy dinner, get a room, and give the allowance, it's a pricey date, but at least 5 in two weeks saying they might "lower" to $$$ to see me, but that is their lowest.

Would love feedback / discussion with group on current expectations.

Gibbs.

One thing to keep in mind this time of year, it's the last couple weeks of the semester so a lot of college babies are very busy right now with exams and papers. As such their free time may be more scarce and therefore more expensive. I would hold off until next week or even after the holidays and see if the market lowers.

[DirtyDeeds38]

My two cents based on a number of years of experience:

1. Anyone offering more than $$ per meet is a fool and sucker. Supply and demand and if you have many SB contacts and monitor the desperation of their communications, you KNOW the supply is abundant. If it's an overnight and they are exceptional, I might go more. Many girls will follow up with me and do not even care if I offer an allowance sometimes. They just want to hookup. It happens. So unless you're really like some slob, or nasty, you can find girls into you. Anything goes on the site. The supply is insane and offering too much just ruins it for them and all us.

2. Anyone paying a girl for a meet and greet a dime is a man fool. Lots of girls like to try and play that game. Do not fall for it. You're fool if you do. It's sugar for sugar, period. I don't need to pay some girl for simply having a drink, or dinner. Fuck that! I pay her for her alone time, but not sex either. I only go with girls who would want the sex regardless of sugar. IE, they are into the sex just as much, if not more that me.

3. Protect yourself at all times. Many of these girls are literally bat shit crazy and I do not say that lightly. They can get crazy and try and extort, or think they are into you and get even crazier.

Those of you offering up 400-500 are genuine fat whales to the girls and are pissing your money away.

[Member #5790]

I mentally grade them all A-D. A for young, gorgeous, desirable girls down to D for older, bigger, less attractive, far away, whatever. I might offer more if I catch the attention of an outstanding A girl, but $$ has been good for me for many A-B girls. I offer 120-150 for the C-D range and have been successful with that as well, but it's not guaranteed. I've also met two girls several times each basically for free (just cost of meal and hotel) because nobody else paid them any attention (thanks guys! I also had one really great girl from out of town for gas money and I let her stay in the hotel overnight. Risky, I know, but it turned out fine and I got to see her again the next morning too before checkout. There's all kinds on this site and they're all looking for / will accept something different.

Thanks Yaya. I do offer on-going as this typically generates lower ranges vs one time. Game has worked for a year at the stated level. Many successful negotiations, so wondering if others were seeing the same increase. Or maybe it's the Christmas budget. LOL.

Stay safe,

Gibbs.

[Gibbs70]

Thanks Yaya. I do offer on-going as this typically generates lower ranges vs one time. Game has worked for a year at the stated level. Many successful negotiations, so wondering if others were seeing the same increase. Or maybe it's the Christmas budget. LOL.

Stay safe,

Gibbs.

Some thoughts on this.

- Remember SA is a marketplace, sometimes the market goes higher and sometimes it goes lower. You might just be in a rising market.

- Most times it depends on the SB's you are approaching. Desirable traits such as youth, looks, experience, body type, ethnicity, etc generate a lot more interest from SD's = higher meet prices.

- This is a negotiation. I've met plenty of SB's that open at a range higher than what I'm willing to pay then lower it afterward, allowing the arrangement to happen. If you have any game then use it and close the deal.

- Are you offering a one time meet or an ongoing arrangement. Many girls will go lower per meet if you are meeting weekly, something I like to do.

- When girls start on the site they have an idea of what a SD SHOULD be in their mind (think Christian Grey) and they are flooded with offers (some real and some bs) so their sense of worth is at its highest. Once some time has passed reality hits them and many lower their asking price. Some will not.

- There are a lot more factors imo, but mostly remember that this is a numbers game! There are MANY more SB's in this area than there are SD's, so if one or ten or twenty don't like your budget simply go to the next one or lower your expectations.

- For the record, that is within the range of what I donate per meet. Good luck!

Yaya.

[Gibbs70]

Be careful out there. This one took off with half the $ while I was getting room.

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/m...4-caceb3ff48d6

[YayaGogo]

Pretty sure I was in the normal range offering $$, but in the last two weeks have a number of SBs walking away saying they generally get more. Am I a cheap bastard? I figured by the time I buy dinner, get a room, and give the allowance, it's a pricey date, but at least 5 in two weeks saying they might "lower" to $$$ to see me, but that is their lowest.

Would love feedback / discussion with group on current expectations.

Gibbs.

Some thoughts on this.

- Remember SA is a marketplace, sometimes the market goes higher and sometimes it goes lower. You might just be in a rising market.

- Most times it depends on the SB's you are approaching. Desirable traits such as youth, looks, experience, body type, ethnicity, etc generate a lot more interest from SD's = higher meet prices.

- This is a negotiation. I've met plenty of SB's that open at a range higher than what I'm willing to pay then lower it afterward, allowing the arrangement to happen. If you have any game then use it and close the deal.

- Are you offering a one time meet or an ongoing arrangement. Many girls will go lower per meet if you are meeting weekly, something I like to do.

- When girls start on the site they have an idea of what a SD SHOULD be in their mind (think Christian Grey) and they are flooded with offers (some real and some bs) so their sense of worth is at its highest. Once some time has passed reality hits them and many lower their asking price. Some will not.

- There are a lot more factors imo, but mostly remember that this is a numbers game! There are MANY more SB's in this area than there are SD's, so if one or ten or twenty don't like your budget simply go to the next one or lower your expectations.

- For the record, that is within the range of what I donate per meet. Good luck!

Yaya.

[Gibbs70]

Pretty sure I was in the normal range offering $$, but in the last two weeks have a number of SBs walking away saying they generally get more. Am I a cheap bastard? I figured by the time I buy dinner, get a room, and give the allowance, it's a pricey date, but at least 5 in two weeks saying they might "lower" to $$$ to see me, but that is their lowest.

Would love feedback / discussion with group on current expectations.

Gibbs.

[Righton1960]

On the flipside, I put a different Triangle town in my location and tend to look more in the neighboring towns anyway. Lowers the potential to run into one another in the wild. Plenty of the POTs have legit reasons to play out of town too. I just make that part of the early conversation. I figure if she says she's in Raleigh, them I don't need to factor in her traveling to me, you know?

Been playing in the bowl for a year, but twice this past week I've been working a "local" girl only to find out later she is over an hour away. I understand discretion but be in the ball park.

Wineandfine says Raleigh, but is in High Point. Says "she likes the drive", I'd bet she has ripped off enough locals and needs to expand her pool.

XoxAubrey says Cary, but is in Southern Pines.

Sharing Intel for those that don't mind travel, as xoxAubrey seems really nice.

Stay safe my friends.

Gibbs.