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Kemo Sabe wrote, "Sounds like there is a stroll in Granite City that we don't know about."
Oh, I'm sure the former CEO of Touchette and Kenneth Hall hospitals knows about it ;-)
;)
Mookie1733
11-07-07, 10:33
I had a very interesting experince last nite. I was walking into Fast Eddie's in Alton 2 blk girls were walking out and asked why not go with them? Of course I asked where? To the reply of anywhere you want. I blew them off and went inside to have a drink, about a hour later. I looked over my shoulder and the girl who was outside was sitting behind me, she came over to my table and said her name is Heaven, after some small talk I learned she was in school in Tennessee and was a model and she would give me a hour of heaven I aske for a donation price? To no answer and she walked out. Oh yea I got her digits she kept texting me to meet her but with still no value she said nothing is free! I understand this. But I was really leary about this. I feel that I was getting set up for a mugging or something. Anybody else run across this girl? She is about 21 very attractive with a large tatoo on her left side chest.
KC Questor
11-08-07, 00:27
Most girls won't talk price without a certain amount of comfort. It is them being safe from the possibility of you being a cop. Get her in your car, do a cop check somewhere out of sight, and she'd be more willing to talk numbers.
Well I fell off the wagon. Picked up Jennifer a little over a week ago for a nice notel date. She looked better than she had the last few times I'd seen her out. Some have reported problems with her but so far, knock on wood, she has always taken care of business without any hassle. Sometimes her enthusiasm is lacking though.
More recently I've picked up Shannon. Had been looking for Jennifer but she wasn't around. I'd read about Shannon here, but never hooked up with her till now. Couple times I'd seen her out, I already had a girl in my car. Had a very fun notel date with her. She gave an incredible bbbjtcws. After some recuperation time we continued with a good doggie style pounding. She seemed really into it, or at least good acting, and had a good level of enthusiasm the whole time.
After dropping Jennifer off from our last date, I cruised down exchange and then took First street back to Rt3. Right at the corner of 1st & Exchange there were two patrol cars. White cars, no light bars on top but definitely leo. Nothing to do at that point but just make sure to come to a complete stop at the stop sign. Think they may have been just sitting there talking to each other but who know. On First about a block before Rt3 there was an apparent wsw. Not sure if she could have been seen from the location the patrol cars were parked and since I had my fun already wasn't worried about picking her up anyways but..
After my date with Shannon I cruised around also to see who else might be around. Cruised down exchange to First and there were two patrol cars sitting at the park. They were actually back off the road aways in the park so maybe they were just killing time and chatting. At the corner of First & Rt3 I spied a brown haired wsw. From the car she was looking really fine. Had on jeans, high heeled boots, dark jacket. If I hadn't gone two rounds with Shannon and if there weren't two patrol cars parked just a few blocks away I'd picked her up in a heartbeat!
Pardone the stupid Question!
When is the best time to troll for Girls?
I used to hit Rte3 and collinsvilles ave ,are these still the spots?
Thanks
Luvtheladies
11-15-07, 13:25
This popped up on CL today in summary form. I found it on the Belleville News-Democrat website:
"Thomas Maag works at Edwardsville law firm
BY BRIAN BRUEGGEMANN
News-Democrat
EDWARDSVILLE --
The son of a candidate who ran for the Illinois Supreme Court was arrested on a charge of soliciting a prostitute.
Thomas Gordon Maag, 32, of Highland, was arrested Friday during a sting operation conducted by Granite City Police.
Maag, an attorney, is the son of Gordon Maag, a Democrat and former judge who ran unsuccessfully in 2004 for a seat on the Illinois Supreme Court. The race between Gordon Maag and Republican Lloyd Karmeier set a national record by attracting more than $9 million in campaign spending.
Police arrested Thomas Maag about 10 p.m. Friday. He posted $105 bond and was released.
Thomas Maag is employed at an Edwardsville law firm and was sworn in as an attorney in 2000. He could not be reached for comment Tuesday.
Police declined to comment on the case beyond a brief press release.
During the sting operation, the following also were arrested and charged with soliciting a prostitute: Walter Herman Hovis,, of St. Louis; Steven A. Stanley-Salazar, of Belleville; Robert Jacob Cecil, of St. Louis; and Ezekial C. Nwosu, of Mabelton, Ga. The ages of the defendants were not available Tuesday.
Anton William Fantroy of Dellwood, Mo., was arrested on a charge of prostitution......
Here's a link: http://www.bnd.com/news/crime/story/172390.html
Here's a link to the CL post: http://stlouis.craigslist.org/ers/479611464.html
Query - in the CL post, the term "Tri-Cities area" is used. what is that exactly?
Take care and be smart/safe out there, eh?
Well, I spent about $450 during this trip to St. Louis. I guess for that much, I could have made 3 appointments with Craig's List ladies at $150 a piece, but the Street Walker world is still new to me, so it's entertaining me more right now. I've only been picking up SWs since March or April of this year, about 7 months. In order to be safe, there's a lot to learn about the streetwalker world; it's a very dangerous pass time.
On Wednesday at about 4 PM, I picked up Denise as she was walking near First Street and St. Clair. She's HWP (height-weight proportional), white, brown hair and eyes, about 5'7", her thighs nicely fill out her jeans (one of the things that attracted me to her), and nice breasts with thick nipples.
I had seen Denise the previous day when I went to a local motel to see the conditions of their rooms again. She has been staying at the motel for 2 or 3 weeks now, with her black boyfriend who drives a red Sunfire- or Cavalier-like car. The motel she's staying at is *not* the infamous Royal Inn. I can't tell you where she's staying because, for some reason, she asked that I not.
While she was climbing into her car with her black bf, I said hello to her to try to gauge if she was an SW, and she glowingly said hello back and added a little conversation, so I thought she might be up for some action. I, however, wasn't prepared to try and pick her up just then because, after checking out the conditions of the motel's rooms, I was going over to the Casino Queen to do a little gambling.
Luckily, the following day, I saw Denise again, this time while she was walking near First and St. Clair (a.k.a. North Route 3). Her nice thighs and effusive attitude once again attracted me, so I let her into the car.
Denise said she's 41, divorced, from Chicago, has a 20-year-old kid going to the University of Alabama. Her parents are from Alabama. She's lived her whole life in Chicago, so her accent is that of Chicago. I'm from St. Louis myself, so to me she has no accent, but I know our Southern kin would say she has a Midwestern accent :-)
She's only been in the St. Lou area for about 3 weeks. We drove to the Trails End Motel in Cahokia (not to be confused with the Trailway Motel in Fairview Heights near Highway 64 and Bunkum), because I wanted to see that motel's condition. The city of Cahokia isn't anywhere close to Cahokia Mounds. The city is actually 2 or 3 miles south of the Sauget strip clubs Penthouse and PT's. We drove south on Mississippi Avenue (South Route 3, not to be confused with North Route 3, which is a totally different road that's not even connected to South Route 3, a.k.a. Mississippi Avenue).
Well, let me tell ya the Trails End Motel in Cahokia isn't very good. The walls of my room needed a paint job, but I was too excited having Denise with me to waste time driving to another motel, so I took the room. I paid $40 for an overnight stay, but I only stayed for a couple hours and returned the key since the motel has no non-smoking rooms, and I found the smoke-filled air harder to tolerate the longer I was in there. Oh well, at least Denise and I had our session there, and I showered there. Jannisary will not be happy to hear the motel does not have a dead-bolt, only a chain in addition to the doorknob's lock.
In the car, Denise brought up the subject of money first. I opened at $40. She said how about $140. I replied I lost a lot of money at the Casino Queen last night; how about $50? We agreed on $60 for Full Service. I wasn't taking any chances and did everything covered including the blow job. The very good hand job was uncovered, of course.
After we finished, I drove her back to East St. Louis, but instead of the motel she was staying at with her bf, she wanted me to drive her to Bowman Avenue near 9th because she said that's where her car is. I let her out there, and she walked a short distance to the red car where her bf was waiting inside for her. I'm guessing he must have been observing from their car when I picked her up at First and St. Clair, but I didn't notice the car then. To me, it appeared she was walking all alone.
I guess he didn't follow us to Cahokia; they must have had a plan for him to wait at Bowman.
You'll have a good time with Denise.
I'm becoming very concerned about the lack of new posts. Is it possible that E. St. Louis has actually killed off what was a very active area? It has been very slow out there for a few months now.
While on N 9th St I saw a sw is a long coat on Lake Ave. As I got closer a EMS type vehicle pull up near her and stopped at the stop sign, so I kept on going and could not tell what she looked like.
I looked down Lynch Ave. and someone was stopped by LEO. There was the LEO car (with lights on) and the monger car and a few people standing at the cars. I headed down Exchange south to make a loop and see if I could get a better of the action. I drove by on N 14 ST but took a look down Lynch but still could not see what was going on. Well I hope it was none of you.
After making the loop I got back on 9th St and could see the sw again with her back toward me. Just as I was about to pass by, she turned around and she looked good. Slim BSW about 5'6" and looked better then most I have seen out. I was going to go down a bet and turn around, but that all changed and I just went home.
The reason it all changed is because when I passed her on Lake ave. and I come up on Lynch Ave., I expected to see LEO still down Lynch but all cars were gone. It only took about five minutes to do my loop and I lost LEO's location. He could have been gone from the area or he could have been sitting back in the cut waiting. So I played it safe and just went home. Plus my friend had already had fun on the STL side..
I'm becoming very concerned about the lack of new posts. Is it possible that E. St. Louis has actually killed off what was a very active area? It has been very slow out there for a few months now.I agree I pass through that area every morning and night on the way to work and home. There is nothing there at least not for my taste. A few bsw and a occasional wsw nothing like it used to be. Many of the old crack houses have been condemned and sealed up. No activity what so ever. Where did they all go?
Country Boy #3
11-20-07, 11:51
I too have noticed the lack of entertainment on the east side. I was over there last week and got to visit with uncle LEO. I didn't see anything on the main drag, so I went down Lynch st. looking for Ashley. As I was heading back towards 9th, I saw him behind me. As soon as I turned on 9th, he pulled me over. He basically pulled me over for having out of state plates. He said a white guy has no business over there unless I have a death wish. He's probably right.
Yesterday around noon, I saw Melissa sitting on the Exchange bridge between the railroad tracks and Collinsville Rd. Didn't see anybody on 1st street or anywhere near the wash rack.
Winddance1
11-21-07, 11:03
Took a drive thru yesterday, saw one wsw on the adult book store lot near the pink slip, some a bsw on exchange but with alot of brothers around her. Pretty slim pickings.
The lack of girls might be due the changing weather.
Now it will be getting really bad because thfirst big chill is coming this weekend.
The cold weather has it advantages. If you do find a girl worth picking up she'll probably try to stay in the room as long as possible.
The lack of girls might be due the changing weather.
Now it will be getting really bad because thfirst big chill is coming this weekend.
I was in the area yesterday. First cruised around the stroll in mid-afternoon, around 2 to 3 o'clock. There wasn't a working girl in sight. Of course it was cold and raining so that wasn't a total surprise. I did see what appeared to be two hitchhikers? hobos? young woman and man - both white- with backpacks etc. walking along 9th street. They definitely didn't "fit in" with usual scenery. Probably not a safe place for them to be.
Went up to Brooklyn and had some fun at Roxy's and PT's. Didn't get any privates but had fun stage tipping. Figured if I was going to get privates I'd do it at the Hollywood where I knew there was at least one girl working I really wanted to see.
Went back through the stroll area, picked up Jennifer and off we went to the notel. At Jennifer's there was also another girl, redhead not too bad looking but I wasn't feeling like trying anything new. Jennifer was sporting a very black eye, a courtesy of her "boyfriend" I'm sure. Told me that it was a lot better than a few days ago when it was completely swollen shut. Despite this she was in pretty good spirits and we had our fun.
I've found that if you leave the session up to her you're going to get a good but rather rushed job. That's pretty much true -the rushed part anyway - for all the girls I suppose. The one glaring exception I've seen was with Patty, the date with her didn't seem rushed at all. Jennifer with a little direction and more of a take charge attitude from me, has been quite satisfying though.
She gave a great bbbjcim -no swallow, for round one. As always she immediately starts getting dressed as soon as she comes out of the bathroom from spitting and rinsing. You'd think at some point she'd detect a pattern with her clients, which ones usually want multiple pops, which ones are usually one and done, and then adjust her actions to them but I guess not.
Told her I wanted to go again so she stripped off her bra and came back over to the bed. She was standing in front of me between my legs and I sorta grabbed her arms and pulled her over my left leg and onto the bed. Asked her why she always needed reminding about a second pop. Told her maybe this would help her memory and gave her two good smacks on her ass. Now I'm not into abusing anyone and this was done in a rather playful fashion. I had surprised her and she squirmed some; when I smacked her on the ass she yelped just a bit but she unmistakably giggled too. I thought they were two pretty good smacks but when you think about what all she's probably been through..
Round two started with a cbj to some missionary and then moved quickly onto good old doggie style. I'm not sure how long this actually lasted but it seemed like too long, i just could not get off. Thought about switching back to missionary but from the sounds and movements Jennifer was making she seemed to be enjoying it so I just kept at it. Eventually I got there as I was slamming into her. I collapsed on top of her, pinning her to the bed and we laid that way for several minutes.
After cleaning up and getting dressed I took her back. On the way back we saw several bsw along 9th street. One didn't look too bad, nice face anyway. After dropping Jennifer off, I headed back to the notel to do a more thorough job of cleaning up. Then I headed to the Hollywood in WP. Had some fun there for a few hours. Before heading for home I decided to cruise through the stroll area again just to see who might be out. This was around 9pm. There was nobody on Exchange or First. On 9th Street I saw a bsw and wsw. The wsw didn't look too bad but hard to tell with a heavy coat on. Looked blond with a nice face, she was right in the street waving at me and then flipped me off as drove by! Guess she really wanted that ride.
Jannisary wrote, "Went back through the stroll area, picked up Jennifer..."
Was this the white, slightly thick Jennifer or the thinner, possibly half-Hispanic Jennifer you were with? I saw the Hispanic Jennifer on Exchange 8 days ago wearing a weathered black leather jacket, but did not see the other Jennifer, who I like to call Crazy Jennifer.
I also saw the 30- or 40-something, brunette Heather (not Crazy Heather) near St. Clair and First. During those 2 days, Patty and Janeen were out and about, too. Patty on First; Janeen/Janine somewhere near Lynch and 13th accompanied by a black male friend.
Also saw someone at dusk walking northward on St. Clair just past PT's Brooklyn, probably walking home after a day at the SW office. I've forgotten her name, but she came to my car window after I stopped ahead of her, so I know she was an SW. She may have said her name is Lisa or Tina, but I think Tina was the name of an SW on the South Side in St. Louis who I spoke with briefly at night (kinda haggard and missing lotsa teeth, but very friendly disposition at the window).
Was this the white, slightly thick Jennifer or the thinner, possibly half-Hispanic Jennifer you were with? I saw the Hispanic Jennifer on Exchange 8 days ago wearing a weathered black leather jacket, but did not see the other Jennifer, who I like to call Crazy Jennifer.....
I also saw the 30- or 40-something, brunette Heather (not Crazy Heather) near St. Clair and First. During those 2 days, Patty and Janeen were out and about, too. Patty on First; Janeen/Janine somewhere near Lynch and 13th accompanied by a black male friend.
Don't think she's the one you refer to as "Crazy Jennifer". That's the one who threatened to scratch your car right? A couple of times the Jennifer I picked up has acted a little flaky but has never caused any drama or acted like that.
Can you be more specific about the time of day you saw Patty on First Street? I've been wanting to hook-up with her again but haven't had any luck finding her.
Can you be more specific about the time of day you saw Patty on First Street? I've been wanting to hook-up with her again but haven't had any luck finding her.
When I was in town 9 days ago, I saw Patty near First and Exchange on a Wednesday morning between 10 and 11:30 AM.
Someone also asked me about 30- or 40-something, brunette Heather (not Crazy Heather). I saw her on the same Wednesday in the late afternoon a little before dusk and earlier the same day.
Drove down Collinsville Rd and the side streets. I didn't see any girls out. I saw an Illinois State Trooper parked at the bridge on Exchange Ave. He seemed to be watching the traffic between 1st and 4th street. I left the area and came back around 1pm. This time I saw Amanda standing on Collinsville Rd near Winstanley. She tried to get my attention but I wasn't interested. I saw a WSW walking near the Discrete Hotel and drove closer to get a better look. It turned out to be Heather (mid 20s). She claimed to be drunk and talked alot but I didn't mind. She looked really nice and I always have a good time with her. We had a few hours of fun in a notel. When the date was over, Heather had me drop her off at the Royal Inn on 10th Street. She says a lot of girls are staying there now. I saw some of the girls walking in with large pizza boxes. Driving thru the parking lot once and awhile could pay off! But I wouldn't do a date in this place. Around 4pm, I saw Crystal walking near the wash rack.
Went to EStLouis on Friday afternoon, I was raining a little. Picked up Crystal (pretty in a pink coat). We did a bj in the car. Average. That was the second time I picked her up. She is ok but seem not to be into it. I dropped her off at the hotel in downtown EStLous.
I would rather try someone else next time.
I passed through the area on Exchange and made the drive up 9th Street and saw no one. I then drove over to Brooklyn and found several gals out and about. It was pretty chilly so I was a bit surprised. I drove into town and really didn't see anything that sparked my fancy so I decided to head to S. St. Louis.
Low and behold, as I was exiting Brooklyn, I spotted Dakota. She says they call her "Slim" around Brooklyn. Said to ask for her by that name next time. On a scale, I'd giver her an 8 in appearance and nice figure that would get an easy 7 from me.
She got in. The usual LE stuff and she pushed that pussy out for me to touch! All was well.
We drove to a secluded area outside of Brooklyn and she directed me to a place that was totally outta sight from the road. My only fear was that we were in the very near "back" area of a business and I was a bit nervous about that. We agreed to 25 for a BBBJ and it was done with grace. She's very good at it and seemed to enjoy it. I'd definitely hit her up again if I get the chance.
Anyone else experienced her.
Take care!
I suspect that the girl you saw was Angie a.k.a. Slim. She has always gotten good reviews on this board. You didn't give a description but Slim is about 5' 9" tall, with Strawberry Blonde Hair and blue eyes. And she is slim too!
I passed through the area on Exchange and made the drive up 9th Street and saw no one. I then drove over to Brooklyn and found several gals out and about. It was pretty chilly so I was a bit surprised. I drove into town and really didn't see anything that sparked my fancy so I decided to head to S. St. Louis.
Low and behold, as I was exiting Brooklyn, I spotted Dakota. She says they call her "Slim" around Brooklyn. Said to ask for her by that name next time. On a scale, I'd giver her an 8 in appearance and nice figure that would get an easy 7 from me.
She got in. The usual LE stuff and she pushed that pussy out for me to touch! All was well.
We drove to a secluded area outside of Brooklyn and she directed me to a place that was totally outta sight from the road. My only fear was that we were in the very near "back" area of a business and I was a bit nervous about that. We agreed to 25 for a BBBJ and it was done with grace. She's very good at it and seemed to enjoy it. I'd definitely hit her up again if I get the chance.
Anyone else experienced her.
Take care!
Taco Hunter
11-26-07, 08:41
I will attach photos of slim
I will attach photos of slimIs this a recent mug shot?
Taco Hunter
11-26-07, 15:12
Yes it is within a year to 2 old but it is still a very good likeness of her and I have seen her in the brooklyn area
The pic is absolutely her. She came off as a very nice friendly gal who was eager to get down to business I didn't see any other reviews on her here.
Was she listed as "Dakota" in other reviews?
Take care and be careful out there!
Nukmed,
She has had many reviews on this board over the last three years. You are the first to tell us she uses the name Dakota.
The pic is absolutely her. She came off as a very nice friendly gal who was eager to get down to business I didn't see any other reviews on her here.
Was she listed as "Dakota" in other reviews?
Take care and be careful out there!
Yow! This story will put a chill in Jannisary's spine. Now I know why he's always asking about motels with dead-bolts.
This happened in Columbia, Missouri a few days ago.
Here's the Columbia Tribune web link:
http://columbiatribune.com/2007/Nov/20071127News013.asp
Victim shared fears with sisters
By JOE MEYER of the Tribune’s staff
Published Tuesday, November 27, 2007
A little more than a week before she was shot and killed during a robbery at the Comfort Inn where she worked as a front-desk clerk, Cynthia White sent an ominous e-mail to family members after another robbery at the hotel.
"She had e-mailed us and said, ‘Pray for us,’ " a sister, Connie Pagliai of Excello, said yesterday by phone.
White, a 55-year-old mother of three, had worked at hotels for 13 years, and the job had never been cause for concern for her family members - until recently.
"I never worried until after the first robbery. Then I was concerned mainly because she had sent an e-mail," said Jeanie Nail of Cairo, another sister. "I just never thought her life was in danger. Otherwise, I would have made her quit."
Columbia police found White shot to death in the hotel Saturday morning after hotel guests reported being unable to reach anyone at the front desk. The next day, police tracked down and arrested Dwight T. Hayes, 21, who told them he was the "lookout" for another man who shot White once in the head near the hotel’s front desk during a robbery.
Yesterday, police located and interviewed the other man White said participated in the robbery. "We spent most of the day yesterday trying to confirm or deny his statements, and at this point we don’t think they’re creditable concerning a second suspect," Capt. Brad Nelson said today.
The man, identified in court documents only as C.J., gave police an alibi, Nelson said, and investigators talked to witnesses who were with him at the time of the crime. "At this point, we don’t think he’s a suspect," Nelson said. "We had never heard that name prior to" Hayes "saying it."
Nelson said there is no evidence that a second suspect was involved.
The homicide occurred about a week after an armed robbery and rape at the same hotel, then called Fairfield Inn. Another 50-year-old female clerk told police that on Nov. 16 a man entered the hotel, said his car had broken down and asked to wait in the lobby until someone came to pick him up. About 20 minutes later, the man brandished a small-caliber handgun and demanded money, then raped the clerk, took her car keys and stole her car, police said.
Hayes incriminated himself in that crime, and Nelson said he is the only suspect in that case.
White leaves behind two sons, a daughter and 10 grandchildren. She enjoyed traveling and took a trip to China last year. Working at hotels agreed with her because it was a chance to meet new people and share stories with them, her sisters said. She also liked to shop for antiques and had a vast collection of tea pots and tea cups, Pagliai said.
"I can’t grasp the violence that she went through," Pagliai said.
Police credit a surveillance photo from an attempted robbery on Nov. 13 at the nearby Hampton Inn, 3410 Clark Lane, for giving them a break in the case. Two tipsters identified Hayes as the man in that photo shortly after police released it to the media.
Court documents say a Hampton Inn hotel guest identified Hayes from a photo lineup of five people as the same man who attempted to gain entry into his hotel room on Nov. 13. The victim said he heard a knock at his door at about 7:52 p.m. and was met by a man asking to use an ice bucket. The suspect then ordered the victim inside the room and had "a black item," possibly a gun, in his hand. The victim was able to push the suspect out of the room and close the door.
Hayes is accused of first-degree burglary in that incident. He is also charged with second-degree murder, two counts of first-degree robbery, forcible rape, forcible sodomy and four counts of armed criminal action.
Hayes remained in custody today at Boone County Jail pending a $2.2 million cash-only bond. He was also being held on no bond for a parole or probation violation.
In May 2006, Hayes was sentenced to a suspended four-year prison sentence and ordered to serve two years of supervised probation after pleading guilty to passing bad checks in Phelps County, according to court records.
Was over that way yesterday and made my first trip looking on the East Side (have had some luck on the MO side of the river and it always seemed safer on that side). Well saw who i think was Slim walking on Cville Rd by the time I came back around to her she was going into some house right there. oh well better luck next time. Saw a few BSWs out and about but it was getting dark so I decided to head home. I'll have to head back out there sometime. Sorry not much real info in here as i'm not totally familiar with that area.
Larks Tongue
11-28-07, 22:15
Yow! This story will put a chill in Jannisary's spine. Now I know why he's always asking about motels with dead-bolts.
This happened in Columbia, Missouri a few days ago.
Here's the Columbia Tribune web link:
http://columbiatribune.com/2007/Nov/20071127News013.asp
Victim shared fears with sisters
By JOE MEYER of the Tribune’s staff
Published Tuesday, November 27, 2007
A little more than a week before she was shot and killed during a robbery at the Comfort Inn where she worked as a front-desk clerk, Cynthia White sent an ominous e-mail to family members after another robbery at the hotel.
"She had e-mailed us and said, ‘Pray for us,’ " a sister, Connie Pagliai of Excello, said yesterday by phone.
White, a 55-year-old mother of three, had worked at hotels for 13 years, and the job had never been cause for concern for her family members - until recently.
"I never worried until after the first robbery. Then I was concerned mainly because she had sent an e-mail," said Jeanie Nail of Cairo, another sister. "I just never thought her life was in danger. Otherwise, I would have made her quit."
Columbia police found White shot to death in the hotel Saturday morning after hotel guests reported being unable to reach anyone at the front desk. The next day, police tracked down and arrested Dwight T. Hayes, 21, who told them he was the "lookout" for another man who shot White once in the head near the hotel’s front desk during a robbery.
Yesterday, police located and interviewed the other man White said participated in the robbery. "We spent most of the day yesterday trying to confirm or deny his statements, and at this point we don’t think they’re creditable concerning a second suspect," Capt. Brad Nelson said today.
The man, identified in court documents only as C.J., gave police an alibi, Nelson said, and investigators talked to witnesses who were with him at the time of the crime. "At this point, we don’t think he’s a suspect," Nelson said. "We had never heard that name prior to" Hayes "saying it."
Nelson said there is no evidence that a second suspect was involved.
The homicide occurred about a week after an armed robbery and rape at the same hotel, then called Fairfield Inn. Another 50-year-old female clerk told police that on Nov. 16 a man entered the hotel, said his car had broken down and asked to wait in the lobby until someone came to pick him up. About 20 minutes later, the man brandished a small-caliber handgun and demanded money, then raped the clerk, took her car keys and stole her car, police said.
Hayes incriminated himself in that crime, and Nelson said he is the only suspect in that case.
White leaves behind two sons, a daughter and 10 grandchildren. She enjoyed traveling and took a trip to China last year. Working at hotels agreed with her because it was a chance to meet new people and share stories with them, her sisters said. She also liked to shop for antiques and had a vast collection of tea pots and tea cups, Pagliai said.
"I can’t grasp the violence that she went through," Pagliai said.
Police credit a surveillance photo from an attempted robbery on Nov. 13 at the nearby Hampton Inn, 3410 Clark Lane, for giving them a break in the case. Two tipsters identified Hayes as the man in that photo shortly after police released it to the media.
Court documents say a Hampton Inn hotel guest identified Hayes from a photo lineup of five people as the same man who attempted to gain entry into his hotel room on Nov. 13. The victim said he heard a knock at his door at about 7:52 p.m. and was met by a man asking to use an ice bucket. The suspect then ordered the victim inside the room and had "a black item," possibly a gun, in his hand. The victim was able to push the suspect out of the room and close the door.
Hayes is accused of first-degree burglary in that incident. He is also charged with second-degree murder, two counts of first-degree robbery, forcible rape, forcible sodomy and four counts of armed criminal action.
Hayes remained in custody today at Boone County Jail pending a $2.2 million cash-only bond. He was also being held on no bond for a parole or probation violation.
In May 2006, Hayes was sentenced to a suspended four-year prison sentence and ordered to serve two years of supervised probation after pleading guilty to passing bad checks in Phelps County, according to court records.
That guy needs to be ass raped for all eternity in hell. Lethal injection is too good for him.
Well I try to take my safety seriously Rosco. Even without the deadbolt, I figure I'm safer at the notel than parked somewhere. At least with the notels you can get cleaned up thoroughly afterwards. Interestingly enough, I've discovered one hourly place that does have deadbolts. It's actually a hotel with fairly nice rooms, one channel of porn, much cleaner than the other hourly places. Unfortunately I can't remember the name of it, but its in Washington Park just east *** correction its WEST*** of the intersection of IL Rt 111 and Bunkum Rd. They have the card type key system, nice sturdy doors too. Except now your pinned into a room with a narrow hallway to get through before getting outside; always trade offs I suppose. I was also disappointed since the rooms do not have the big wall mounted mirrors like the Relax. It cost $22 for two hours but I think you can get a room for a single hour also. There were also big sprinkler pipes coming out of the walls. Think the place had a major fire maybe with a death a couple years ago and has been rebuilt.
The Relax Inn advertises a jaquize room, has anyone been in it? That could be fun with the right girl but if they keep it as clean as they do the tubs and showers in the other room, then i don't think I would use it.
The hourly motels all have glass partitions between the clerk and the customer in the office. The two in Fairmont also seem to always have more than one person around at all times.
Jannisary, those are good points. I almost always use a notel. Costs more, but it's much nicer than a car date.
However, I still enjoy reading about the exploits of car-daters. So I wish more folks would chime in. Speak up folks. Please don't just free-load and read.
Jannisary,
I think that the Washington Park Hotel is called the Econo Inn. It's actually west of Hwy 111 on Bunkum Rd. I have not tried it yet.
I saw the Jacuzzi room at Relax Inn about a year ago. I was not impressed by the room and the room rate was far too high for me.
Well I try to take my safety seriously Rosco. Even without the deadbolt, I figure I'm safer at the notel than parked somewhere. At least with the notels you can get cleaned up thoroughly afterwards. Interestingly enough, I've discovered one hourly place that does have deadbolts. It's actually a hotel with fairly nice rooms, one channel of porn, much cleaner than the other hourly places. Unfortunately I can't remember the name of it, but its in Washington Park just east of the intersection of IL Rt 111 and Bunkum Rd. They have the card type key system, nice sturdy doors too. Except now your pinned into a room with a narrow hallway to get through before getting outside; always trade offs I suppose. I was also disappointed since the rooms do not have the big wall mounted mirrors like the Relax. It cost $22 for two hours but I think you can get a room for a single hour also. There were also big sprinkler pipes coming out of the walls. Think the place had a major fire maybe with a death a couple years ago and has been rebuilt.
The Relax Inn advertises a jaquize room, has anyone been in it? That could be fun with the right girl but if they keep it as clean as they do the tubs and showers in the other room, then i don't think I would use it.
The hourly motels all have glass partitions between the clerk and the customer in the office. The two in Fairmont also seem to always have more than one person around at all times.
Luvtheladies
11-29-07, 13:57
...Even without the deadbolt, I figure I'm safer at the notel than parked somewhere. At least with the notels you can get cleaned up thoroughly afterwards. Interestingly enough, I've discovered one hourly place that does have deadbolts...
Your "safer than parked somewhere" comment, is that because of concern for robbery or being discovered by Uncle Leo?
I prefer the notel for comfort + I never know what postion I might like the lady to do, the car date positioning is limited indeed. And, as Jannisary said, cleaning up in the notel shower is worth it. You just have to know how to check in safely @ the notel.
If its just a quick BJ, notel prob not necessary.
Take care out there!
LTL
KC Questor
11-29-07, 19:40
You just have to know how to check in safely @ the notel.
Can you expand more on that? I've never done an hourly motel for a date before. I usually either already have a room, go to the girl's room, or stay in the car.
My "safer" comment was in regards to both leo and robbery. I'd just as soon pay for a room than risk getting discovered while parking somewhere. Also I figure that at the notels there are other people around. That doesn't mean that shit can't happen but it might be less likely than while parked somewhere in the hood.
Luvtheladies, I'm also interested in your "check in safely @ the notel" comment. I just check in, before trip I've always made sure their isn't anything to steal in the passenger compartment or anything with personal information laying around that the sw could take or look at while waiting in the car. Perhaps you're referring to not giving up your real id to the notel?
Luvtheladies, I'm also interested in your "check in safely @ the notel" comment. I just check in, before trip I've always made sure their isn't anything to steal in the passenger compartment or anything with personal information laying around that the sw could take or look at while waiting in the car.
I always have the lady come with me to the motel registration desk. If anything happens to me--either during the date or many hours later--at least there's a witness who has seen her. It would be nice if she also provided her ID card to the motel attendant, but I've never had her do that, and the attendant has never required it. Has anyone ever asked the lady to furnish I.D. to the motel?
What could happen? Well, the lady's male friend could follow us and attempt to break into the motel room (or she could simply let him in). They could rob me, and drive off together.
Or hours later after our date has long ended, she could tell her male buddy where I'm at. He could come to the motel, rob me, and steal the car. Of course, there are worse things that could happen, too. Kind of a dangerous hobby we have.
The attendant at the Trails End Motel in Cahokia asked for both our ID's, but Denise didn't provide hers, and the attendant didn't press the matter.
When I checked into a motel in Columbia, Missouri, with Sarah and Tobias, I made sure the attendant saw all 3 of us ;)
As you recall, I had Tobias hang out in the bathroom while I had a session with his lovely wife.
Taco Hunter
11-30-07, 12:27
For the past week on lynch I keep seeing a new girl or at least to me, she has short Black hair and a little plump, anyone know anything, I have been thinking of taking it for a test drive
On Wednesday at about 4 PM, I picked up Denise as she was walking near First Street and St. Clair. She's HWP (height-weight proportional), white, brown hair and eyes, about 5'7", her thighs nicely fill out her jeans (one of the things that attracted me to her), and nice breasts with thick nipples.
I had seen Denise the previous day when I went to a local motel to see the conditions of their rooms again. She has been staying at the motel for 2 or 3 weeks now, with her black boyfriend who drives a red Sunfire- or Cavalier-like car. The motel she's staying at is *not* the infamous Royal Inn. I can't tell you where she's staying because, for some reason, she asked that I not.
While she was climbing into her car with her black bf, I said hello to her to try to gauge if she was an SW, and she glowingly said hello back and added a little conversation, so I thought she might be up for some action. I, however, wasn't prepared to try and pick her up just then because, after checking out the conditions of the motel's rooms, I was going over to the Casino Queen to do a little gambling.
Luckily, the following day, I saw Denise again, this time while she was walking near First and St. Clair (a.k.a. North Route 3). Her nice thighs and effusive attitude once again attracted me, so I let her into the car.
Denise said she's 41, divorced, from Chicago, has a 20-year-old kid going to the University of Alabama. Her parents are from Alabama. She's lived her whole life in Chicago, so her accent is that of Chicago. I'm from St. Louis myself, so to me she has no accent, but I know our Southern kin would say she has a Midwestern accent :-)
She's only been in the St. Lou area for about 3 weeks. We drove to the Trails End Motel in Cahokia (not to be confused with the Trailway Motel in Fairview Heights near Highway 64 and Bunkum), because I wanted to see that motel's condition. The city of Cahokia isn't anywhere close to Cahokia Mounds. The city is actually 2 or 3 miles south of the Sauget strip clubs Penthouse and PT's. We drove south on Mississippi Avenue (South Route 3, not to be confused with North Route 3, which is a totally different road that's not even connected to South Route 3, a.k.a. Mississippi Avenue).
Well, let me tell ya the Trails End Motel in Cahokia isn't very good. The walls of my room needed a paint job, but I was too excited having Denise with me to waste time driving to another motel, so I took the room. I paid $40 for an overnight stay, but I only stayed for a couple hours and returned the key since the motel has no non-smoking rooms, and I found the smoke-filled air harder to tolerate the longer I was in there. Oh well, at least Denise and I had our session there, and I showered there. Jannisary will not be happy to hear the motel does not have a dead-bolt, only a chain in addition to the doorknob's lock.
In the car, Denise brought up the subject of money first. I opened at $40. She said how about $140. I replied I lost a lot of money at the Casino Queen last night; how about $50? We agreed on $60 for Full Service. I wasn't taking any chances and did everything covered including the blow job. The very good hand job was uncovered, of course.
After we finished, I drove her back to East St. Louis, but instead of the motel she was staying at with her bf, she wanted me to drive her to Bowman Avenue near 9th because she said that's where her car is. I let her out there, and she walked a short distance to the red car where her bf was waiting inside for her. I'm guessing he must have been observing from their car when I picked her up at First and St. Clair, but I didn't notice the car then. To me, it appeared she was walking all alone.
I guess he didn't follow us to Cahokia; they must have had a plan for him to wait at Bowman.
You'll have a good time with Denise.
Good review Rosco; Damn, I remember reading it, but didn't connect the name (Denise)
Saw her around the exchange area, and, lol, I passed because I was going to the Queen (Reported on St Louis thread) She quoted $100/hotel & $50/car date, but I didn't take it further since I was headed to lose all my $ anyway
Yeah, $60 f/s would have seemed about right, she looked like a 7 on SW scale I would say. Hope she's still in town when I head out again next Wednesday
Luvtheladies
11-30-07, 18:53
Can you expand more on that? I've never done an hourly motel for a date before. I usually either already have a room, go to the girl's room, or stay in the car.
Well, if the date was certain, I would get the room in advance.
When the date isn't certain (ie, picking up a sw) then I follow Scuuze's advice (as he posted on the old CLRB) - 1) any identifying info is NOT in the glovebox, 2) pull car as close to check-in office as possible so you can keep an eye on it during check-in, 3) car keys in your pocket as you do so. Once that's over, the rest is easy - head to the room and have fun.
One time, my "date" didn't have a cover with her and I had to get partially dressed to retrieve one from my car - but she was cool and didn't try anything while I left the room (like rifle my wallet). Also with this one I had already sensed she was sufficiently trustworthy. Other sw's, I prob would've taken the wallet with me.
Take care out there and play safe!
LTL
Picked up a girl that said her name was Gena.
Gota bbbj. She seemed kinda reluctant, like I was imposing on her.
Would not pick her up again. Pre to give someone else a try.
Took a drive on the east side of the river today(12-01-07) about noon. Not much action, saw one BSW ,about 180#, near 1st & Exchange. Drove to Brooklyn , not much but LEO on the prowl, perhaps because of new police chief there. Drove back down to Collinsville Road and it was dead. Perhaps the cold weather, Decided to head for home and watch football.
Seek9999 & Chiapet9
I believe that the girl you saw was recently released from prison.
Visit the idoc web site at:
http://www.idoc.state.il.us/subsections/search/default.asp
Search by IDOC# and try K94186.
I decided not to post the name and picture here just in case it's not the same girl.
I believe that the girl you saw was recently released from prison.
Dang, that chick's hardcore. Driving a stolen vehicle back in 1999. I hope it wasn't a monger's?
Dang, that chick's hardcore. Driving a stolen vehicle back in 1999. I hope it wasn't a monger's?
Good chance somebody traded it to a dealer for crack and then maybe changed their mind and reported stolen. It happens quite often.
Alex P Keaton
12-01-07, 21:19
I think that the Washington Park Hotel is called the Econo Inn. It's actually west of Hwy 111 on Bunkum Rd. I have not tried it yet.
Indeed, it is the Econo Inn Motel at 5307 Bunkum Road. It is kitty-corner from Miss Kitty's. Pluses are the deadbolts, peepholes, and magnetic strip keycards. A minus is the $10 surcharge if you bring two guests with you.
Amazing how fast they hit the streets when they are released from Prison. She was on the stroll within a few days of being released. It makes me wonder what was gained by locking her up for 2 years.
Country Boy #3
12-03-07, 01:40
For the third time since August, I had a run in with uncle LEO. I took a girl to a notel in Fairmont city. When we were done, I took the key back. As I walked back to my vehicle, I see one of the city's finest was setting there talking to the girl. I was pretty sure he wasn't there to exchange pleasantries. He was setting in his car, and she was leaning in his passenger window. I walked on past to my vehicle, but didn't think there was enough room to get past him. I sat there wondering what she was telling him. Finally he got out, and walked over to me. He did everything he could do to get me to incriminate myself. Like the E.STl boys I visited with last month, he told me to stay away from the area. They know that a white boy with out of state plates is either looking for drugs or hookers.
I think this is my wake up call. Since August, I been caught by Madison, E. St. Louis, and now Fairmont City. Either I'm getting sloppy, or there cracking down. I'm done picking up girls on the East Side.
I think, unless you incriminate yourself, there isn't too much they can do to you. After doing this for over ten years, I think I need to rethink my approach.
For the third time since August, I had a run in with uncle LEO...Finally he got out, and walked over to me...
Country Boy #3, yow! The cops love you! When I was in town 3 weeks ago, I saw an officer as I was driving south on either Lynch or Winstanley from 9th. The officer was driving north on Lynch/Winstanley, and passed me without stopping me.
I have out-of-state plates (Missouri plates like you) and a nice car, but I haven't been stopped yet on the East Side. In trips taken in other months, I saw a cruiser driving a couple blocks behind me on St. Clair as I was driving near the Discreet, and a cruiser on Exchange driving in the opposite direction.
If anybody else has stories about being stopped, please share. Thanks Country Boy, for letting us know.
Oh yeah, I forgot. Many months ago, I saw a cruiser drive into the parking lot of a motel. I actually liked seeing the officer there because that probably keeps the number of robberies and car break-ins at motels down. He was just doing a routine inspection of the lot, and drove off. Would you believe I was actually dumb enough to drive up to his car, and ask if somebody had called him to the motel! {LOL} He said no, nobody called him.
You do seem to get stopped a lot, though. I wonder if your car is a model that happens to be on their suspect list for something? Or something like that.
Anyway, I guess it's no surprise to see lots of police cruisers around. It's a high-crime area.
Luvtheladies
12-03-07, 12:58
..."Like the E.STl boys I visited with last month, he told me to stay away from the area. They know that a white boy with out of state plates is either looking for drugs or hookers.
I think this is my wake up call. Since August, I been caught by Madison, E. St. Louis, and now Fairmont City. Either I'm getting sloppy, or there cracking down. I'm done picking up girls on the East Side.
I think, unless you incriminate yourself, there isn't too much they can do to you. After doing this for over ten years, I think I need to rethink my approach.
The hard hitting realities of CB's honesty can NOT be over-emphasized here.
White boy + out of state plates = Sitting duck with cash
I say take your chances on the MO side & consider getting a "monger car".
Take care and be safe!
LTL
I say take your chances on the MO side & consider getting a "monger car".
There are lots of cops on Missouri's South Side, too.
I actually don't know on which side you're currently more likely to be stopped. But I don't think that you'll automatically be stopped on the East Side just because you have Missouri plates.
Any other Missouri folks "shopping" on the East Side want to weigh in on this question?
Last summer I was cruising. LEO pulled in behind me. Im not sure where exactly I was. I think it was near the closed bridege across the river( Not the chain of Rocks) another one!!LOL Anyway he pulled in behind me and held back about 50 feet. He followed me for about 2 miles.
that same day I was driving by the Dscreet motel and another one pulled behind me. He followed me all the way to Brooklyn. I then pulled into the parking ot of the Pink Slip. He drove past me real slow looking at me. I waved and smiled!!
Rollamale
KC Questor
12-03-07, 21:22
Sometimes I find it is actually helpful to have out of state plates. I've only been stopped once and I was prepared with a plan where it really helps to be from out of town. Before I cruise a known stroll I make sure to write out directions or even print a map that clearly shows a path through the stroll area. I get a valid reason for being at the start and end points, and then I have an excuse for why I am in between. If they catch me driving in circles, it isn't hard to pretend to be lost, to be mixed up, bad sense of direction.
"Hi officer, I am so lost. Hope you can help. I was coming from my hotel in Fairview Heights, headed to, what was the name... Brooklyn? I'm supposed to meet a friend/business contact at a, hehe, club there. (embarrassed).
"Well, see, I got off I-64 on highway 3 and turned right like it says, but that became Collinsville Road and my map says it should be St. Clair. So I turned around and came back. I crossed that bridge over the highway and made the right turn but then I saw Second street, then First street, so I figured I missed Third street (like I confused 3rd street with highway 3). So I turned around and went to First street and over to Third street, but that didn't go anywhere. I got a bit lost and ended up back where I got off the highway on 9th street..."
Every couple of laps I actually drive up to Brooklyn, wait a few minutes, and start the loop in reverse. "See, I was supposed to meet a friend at PTs and he just called and said he couldn't make it, so I was headed back to my hotel..."
Attached is a map of my typical ESL circuit. If I am stopped at most any point I have a pretty good explanation for how I got lost here.
In some cities with more straightforward strolls (OBT in Orlando, S. Robinson in OKC, Broadway in Wichita) I just need to have a valid reason for being out late at night. My favorite is "I just got into town and I have a presentation at ___ early in the morning. I wanted to make sure that I knew how to get there tomorrow so I am not late." Then I have the address of a hotel near one end of the strip and a business location at the other.
It helps to play stupid. I'm just a Kansas hick confused by all them cars and buildings and city lights.
Dang, when you drive into the street-walker neighborhood that includes the streets of Lynch, 15th, Exchange, etc., you have to assume folks are armed.
Check out this story from BND.com:
ESL teen accused of buying $40 gun off the street, then trying to hide it
Weapon bought off street for $40
BY BETH HUNDSDORFER
News-Democrat (posted 11/24/2007)
An East St. Louis teenager faces weapons charges after police said he was trying to hide a gun he just bought off the street for $40, less than a week after another teenager was charged with the accidental shooting of a 5-year-old boy.
DeShawn L. Denton, 17, of 1513 N. 13th St. in East St. Louis, was charged Friday with aggravated unlawful use of a weapon. [Google Maps shows his home address is at Natalie Avenue and 13th, where we've all driven.]
The St. Clair County Sheriff's Department Street Crimes Unit stopped a car about 10 p.m. Thursday at 15th and Lynch streets in East St. Louis, said Sgt. Thomas Trice, head of the unit.
"The driver told police he picked up a woman, then was flagged down by Denton, who offered to pay for a ride home," Trice said.
[Why would Denton need a ride home? His home is so close, maybe 4 blocks away depending on where Denton waved down the car. Also, why would this apparent monger pick up a fella in addition to the apparent SW? He may not have been thinking with his noggin.]
Deputies Tom Peters and Dan Hill noticed [passenger] Denton trying to stuff an object down into the backseat. With the driver's consent, they searched the car and found a .25 semi-automatic pistol between the seat cushions, Trice said.
Denton told deputies he had just bought the gun for $40.
Investigators continue to work the case to determine how Denton got the gun, Trice said.
Denton, who turned 17 in January, was charged as an adult.
His bail was set at $20,000. He was being held Friday in the county jail.
A 14-year-old boy was charged Tuesday with unlawful use of a firearm under the juvenile code after police said he discharged a gun and struck a 5-year-old who was sleeping in his bed.
Tyris Jones was released from the hospital earlier this week after he suffered a gunshot wound. The bullet traveled through a wall into Tryis' bedroom, striking the 5-year-old in the lower left chest.
Police and the mother of the juvenile, who cannot be identified because of his age, didn't know where he got the gun.
"We have to take these guns out of these children's hands," East St. Louis Police Chief Michael Baxton said after the boy was charged.
The street value of guns have dropped, Trice said, allowing younger children to gain access to weapons.
"It's definitely something we are seeing," Trice said. "It's tough when guns go for little to nothing, like in this case."
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It was the county sheriff's department that made the stop, not East St. Louis police or state troopers. The County Sheriff--we haven't heard them mentioned here before.
I wonder if the driver might not have been stopped if he hadn't picked up the car's third occupant.
Roscoe2,
I noticed that the story didn't say why the driver was stopped by the police in the first place. It appears that the car was stopped quite a bit later after picking up the woman who we suspect was a SW. My gut feeling is that we aren't getting the whole story from the news paper. Do you think that this reporter was driving around East St. Louis in a patrol car waiting for news like this?
Maleforfunstl
12-04-07, 19:49
I was driving around Brooklyn the other day and came across a massage parlor, S&L Rub (? ). Has anyone been there? If so, how is the service?
This is not the "Gena" I saw.
Seek9999 & Chiapet9
I believe that the girl you saw was recently released from prison.
Visit the idoc web site at:
http://www.idoc.state.il.us/subsections/search/default.asp
Search by IDOC# and try K94186.
I decided not to post the name and picture here just in case it's not the same girl.
Knucklebuck
12-05-07, 01:48
Did anyone see a few posts from some gal saying she'd be in Brooklyn looking for guys to show up for free bj's? No numbers only an IM address but a bot wouldn't include something specific as a place in Brooklyn and a time?
I can't find the post where she said 3pm at the bookstore(?) but here are a couple others:
http://stlouis.craigslist.org/ers/496338052.html
~~~>>>ATTENTION to THOSE guys WANTING TO MEET me in BROOKLYN!!!<<
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Reply to: pers-496338052@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-12-02, 12:30PM CST
HEY GUYS!!!
YOU WILL ALL havE TO start IM ing on yahoo at screenname: hottmouthgirl2001...
EMAIL WON'T LET ME REPSOND BACK TO YOU GUYS... Still going to be in Brooklyn at 3pm TODAY ONLY & PLEASE BE CLEAN!!!DRUG AND DISEASE FREE AND MAKE SURE YOU TAKE A BATH. NO ODORS PLEASE!!! TY
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and the other:
http://stlouis.craigslist.org/ers/496608874.html
HEY gUyS!! I'm WANTING U....... - w4m
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Reply to: pers-496608874@craigslist.org
Date: 2007-12-02, 5:20PM CST
.......... for your loads!!!! I am VERY serious and real!!! OH, yes I was looking last night too. Thank you to the few that DID show up... I'm wanting to GIVE h***... YES! FOR FREE!!! SO, YOU CAN COME OVER RIGHT NOW!! IM me on yahoo messenger. screen name: hottmouthgirl2001. PLEASE dont email, ahving trouble with it! BUT messenger IS WORKING!!!! PLEASE BE D/D FREE AND BATHE BEFORE COMING OVER TOO!!!! TY
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...and her yahoo profile: http://profiles.yahoo.com/hottmouthgirl2001
Mister Quick
12-05-07, 12:15
I was in an unfamiliar city about a year and a half ago. I had picked up a bunch of free newspapers at a adult book store that I had on the front seat. Got stopped in the towns stroll area by a cop. He started talking to me asking me why I was there etc. Told him washoping to get to my hotel. He saw the top newspaper and asked me if it was mine. I said yes, kind of hard to deny. He then gave me directions and told me to beon my way. Did not cruise anymore. when I got to my hotel started going through the freebies noticed the one that was on the top was the local Gay / Fag paper. Guesss it saved me some trouble.
Sometimes I find it is actually helpful to have out of state plates. I've only been stopped once and I was prepared with a plan where it really helps to be from out of town. Before I cruise a known stroll I make sure to write out directions or even print a map that clearly shows a path through the stroll area. I get a valid reason for being at the start and end points, and then I have an excuse for why I am in between. If they catch me driving in circles, it isn't hard to pretend to be lost, to be mixed up, bad sense of direction.
"Hi officer, I am so lost. Hope you can help. I was coming from my hotel in Fairview Heights, headed to, what was the name... Brooklyn? I'm supposed to meet a friend/business contact at a, hehe, club there. (embarrassed).
"Well, see, I got off I-64 on highway 3 and turned right like it says, but that became Collinsville Road and my map says it should be St. Clair. So I turned around and came back. I crossed that bridge over the highway and made the right turn but then I saw Second street, then First street, so I figured I missed Third street (like I confused 3rd street with highway 3). So I turned around and went to First street and over to Third street, but that didn't go anywhere. I got a bit lost and ended up back where I got off the highway on 9th street..."
Every couple of laps I actually drive up to Brooklyn, wait a few minutes, and start the loop in reverse. "See, I was supposed to meet a friend at PTs and he just called and said he couldn't make it, so I was headed back to my hotel..."
Attached is a map of my typical ESL circuit. If I am stopped at most any point I have a pretty good explanation for how I got lost here.
In some cities with more straightforward strolls (OBT in Orlando, S. Robinson in OKC, Broadway in Wichita) I just need to have a valid reason for being out late at night. My favorite is "I just got into town and I have a presentation at ___ early in the morning. I wanted to make sure that I knew how to get there tomorrow so I am not late." Then I have the address of a hotel near one end of the strip and a business location at the other.
It helps to play stupid. I'm just a Kansas hick confused by all them cars and buildings and city lights.
I was driving around Brooklyn the other day and came across a massage parlor, S&L Rub (? ). Has anyone been there? If so, how is the service?
Its been quite a while since I've seen a review of S&L and I've never been there myself. The reason I've never gone is because the reviews have all been negative. Basically the want you to pay escort prices $$$ or more for sw material. Anyone have any recent experience? The same people own another spa, the HWY157 Spa, I believe by Centreville.
I saw Jennifer today who told me that Mellissa was murdered 2 nights ago at a "heroin house". She told me Mellissa was strangled and that they used to be pretty close. Jennifer said she was upset, but she did complete a pretty good BBBJTCIM without pause or complaint.
Jennifer has a cell phone again.
I saw Jennifer today who told me that Mellissa was murdered 2 nights ago at a "heroin house". She told me Mellissa was strangled and that they used to be pretty close. Jennifer said she was upset, but she did complete a pretty good BBBJTCIM without pause or complaint.
Jennifer has a cell phone again.
That's horrible news. I never met Melissa, but I'm shaken deeply. That's so sad. She was so young, from the photos. I hope the cops get on it, and nail the killer.
Lousy killers should rot in jail for decades.
Thank you for letting us know, PilotPete.
What online paper carries the obits for East St. Louis, or whereever she lived? Is there a newspaper that reported her murder? What is her full name?
Officers, please get that creep off the streets fast.
Rosco2,
If we get any online news at all about Melissa it will most likely be from the Belleville News Democrat.
The link is www.bnd.com
The Obituaries section says that she died on December 2nd in the Belleville Hospital. I couldn't find any mention of foul play associated with her death.
Kemo Sabe, thank you. This looks like it might be the right link to Melissa's obituary:
http://www.legacy.com/Belleville/Obituaries.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonId=99091585
The picture looks like her, and the age looks right. She was only 30.
Alex P Keaton
12-06-07, 00:53
I saw Jennifer today who told me that Mellissa was murdered 2 nights ago at a "heroin house". She told me Mellissa was strangled and that they used to be pretty close.
I received the bad news from a different reliable source on Tuesday, but computer problems prevented me from accessing this site until now. The version I got was that her throat was slit rather than that she was strangled, but either way, rest in peace.
Made a trip about 11:30 pm south on CR and saw two slim wsw on Lake Ave and a heavy set bsw in the middle of the other lane at CR and Winstanley Ave waving at cars. A car had to use the median to get around her. Saw another bsw standing at the Exchange intersection.
Made my loop around and picked up Gena on Lake Ave. I asked about the other sw that was standing out with her. Gena said her name was Lisa and that she did not know much about her.
After we got on CR south, I pulled up behind a semi that I thought was at the Exchange intersection. The truck was just sitting there not moving. I did not think anything about it at first. Then I made my move to go around the semi and at the same time I heard "GET OFF THE TRUCK" loud and clear from a loud speaker. Scared the Sh_T out of me, damm LEO was behind me in a unmarked white car, and he was talking to the crazy bsw that was in the middle of the road earlier and now was standing on the semi's driver foot step talking to the driver. The semi was about 100 feet short of Exchange intersection. Gena thought she had heard "Get OUT THE TRUCK" and had got scared. Well we left the area by interstate and the semi left the area without LE stopping him. LEO did pull over and talked to the bsw that Gena later told me was Nikki.
Well found a spot and got a nice bbbjcim. She took her time too. She seems like a nice person. After the deed, took her to the store and she got back into the car with lottery scratch offs. Do not know if she got anything else. Dropped her off on 25th street. This area was new to me, so I have to study yahoo maps on this one.
It was cold out and I was surprise to see anyone out.
I received the bad news from a different reliable source on Tuesday, but computer problems prevented me from accessing this site until now. The version I got was that her throat was slit rather than that she was strangled, but either way, rest in peace.
I heard the above version last night. RIP
Alex P Keaton
12-06-07, 20:54
After the deed, took her to the store and she got back into the car with lottery scratch offs.
Gena is on a scratch-off kick lately. When she bought two with me, I thought she was wasting her money, but she won $6, good for a chicken dinner and a Bic lighter.
(Note: this is the girl whose name usually gets spelled Jenna on this board because it's pronounced that way, but it's really spelled Gena.)
Dropped her off on 25th street. This area was new to me, so I have to study yahoo maps on this one.
That area is unfamiliar to a lot of us, but it's pretty well-lit and civilized. 25th Street between St. Clair and State has a gas station, a McDonald's, a strip mall, etc.
Alex P Keaton
12-07-07, 00:51
It was the county sheriff's department that made the stop, not East St. Louis police or state troopers. The County Sheriff--we haven't heard them mentioned here before.
Actually, it was a county sheriff's deputy who made the September 14 stop on I-64 eastbound near the 25th Street exit back here.
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=570718&postcount=654
I've seen sheriff's cars on the local streets, too, just less often.
Last time I was in St. Louis, I was disappointed to see that the
security cameras trained on the back parking lot of the Royal Inn
are gone. No more security cameras after the Inn reopened.
I did see one car parked in the Inn's lot and an HWP black man
hanging outside in that back lot. I don't know if he was renting
a room there, just smoking, or what.
How safe do you think a car would be parked in that lot? Does
the Inn have a watch guard? Next time I come to town, I'll
have to poke my head into the infamous Royal Inn just to see
what it's like. I hope the reopening has improved it. I won't book
a room there, but I am curious to see the inside, and if any ladies
are hanging around.
What I'll probably do is park my car in the Popeye's Chicken
parking lot and walk the one block to the Inn to see if any
ladies are about, and briefly see what the inside is like.
=====
Have any arrests been made in Melissa's murder/death? If
anyone hears anything, let us all know.
Hello all,
New to the board. Just found it. Stupid me! Was on the old C. L. Board that shut down. Good to see you here Rosco. Made the E. Side roll yesterday afternoon early seemed a little slow? Have not been over there in a couple months to be honest. Been a little busy. Last time I was over that direction found WSW on Exchange named Red. Did a very nice BBBJCIM. Was actually hoping to find her again. Well good to be here and look forward to learning. Miss Mr. Snuuze from the old C. L. Board. Was like a YODA for a guy like me who was trying to figure this out. Guy like wrote a book teaching some of us. Again, good to see everyone. Have to go up in that area tomorrow. See whats out on a Sunday.
HeavenForHire
12-08-07, 12:47
I truely think Le should take a look at a *regular* at Discreet motel.He goes by the name Eric!
Rosco2,
You are reasonably safe in the parking lot during the day this time of year. I wouldn't park there at night during the warmer months. I wouldn't recommend walking from Popeye's unless you the type of guy that loves adventure and danger. Be prepared to have the East St. Louis Police Department stop you and ask why you are in the area. By the way, one of my dates recommended asking the people behind the counter if any girls are available. They know that all of them are prostitutes anyway. That's why they charge you $10 to visit a girls room for one hour. I still refuse to do a date in the place but have no problem driving by just to see who might be there.
I heard another twist on the Melissa story. I dated a girl today that says Melissa was given some bad drugs and died from poisoning. She claimed that some guy has been arrested. I still have not seen anything in the papers.
Last time I was in St. Louis, I was disappointed to see that the
security cameras trained on the back parking lot of the Royal Inn
are gone. No more security cameras after the Inn reopened.
I did see one car parked in the Inn's lot and an HWP black man
hanging outside in that back lot. I don't know if he was renting
a room there, just smoking, or what.
How safe do you think a car would be parked in that lot? Does
the Inn have a watch guard? Next time I come to town, I'll
have to poke my head into the infamous Royal Inn just to see
what it's like. I hope the reopening has improved it. I won't book
a room there, but I am curious to see the inside, and if any ladies
are hanging around.
What I'll probably do is park my car in the Popeye's Chicken
parking lot and walk the one block to the Inn to see if any
ladies are about, and briefly see what the inside is like.
=====
Have any arrests been made in Melissa's murder/death? If
anyone hears anything, let us all know.
Mr Boombastic
12-08-07, 17:10
I am here in Cincinnati, Ohio and wanted to know if the Pink Slip Strip Club is still open.
Man I had the "BEST TIME" there. I have been there about 9 times over since about 1995, but I have NOT been back since 2001 or 02.
It was worth the 5-6 hour drive, or the hour flight.
I learned to stay in Collinville instead of St.Louis Mo. Only when I come in by Airplane did I stay out near Linburg airport.
You could do the Girls right in the Club, and outside the cops never hassled anyone. And are the other Strip Clubs still there. Are they still worth going to. A few SW's walked the area during the night. Most were miles before you get to the railroad track. They would flash you as you drove by. That will get them noticed.
Around the tracks is where the fags are, and I stay far from there.
Please you can PM me the info, if you don't want to post it. I don't want you to have to repost info onto your Forum.
Thank A Lot!
Mr BoomBastic
I truely think Le should take a look at a *regular* at Discreet motel.He goes by the name Eric!
HeavenForHire, thank you for your input.
If you believe that, please do call the police (anonymously if you prefer), and tell them everything you know, suspect, or just wonder about.
I remember when it was reported that Mercedes died inside the Discreet Motel.
I didn't know Mercedes. I may have met her once, though, because the name sounds familiar, but I can't be certain.
Anyway, a long time ago, I knocked on the Discreet's door. While I was standing in the little closed foyer, I heard a voice on the other side of the door yell several times in a loud, mean voice "Customer! Customer!" To me it seemed he was trying to rouse somebody (Mercedes, I think) to the foyer. He repeated "Customer! Customer!" several times, quite angrily.
When I heard Mercedes had died inside the Discreet, I could only think about this guy, who I never saw. He sounded very mean.
Here's Fred Reed's post last year about Mercedes:
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=459703#post459703
I am here in Cincinnati, Ohio and wanted to know if the Pink Slip Strip Club is still open.
Yes the Pink Slip is still open.
I learned to stay in Collinville instead of St.Louis Mo. Only when I come in by Airplane did I stay out near Linburg airport.
I agree Collinsville is the best place to stay. It puts you within easy driving of both Brooklyn and Washington Park.
You could do the Girls right in the Club, and outside the cops never hassled anyone. And are the other Strip Clubs still there. Are they still worth going to. A few SW's walked the area during the night. Most were miles before you get to the railroad track. They would flash you as you drove by. That will get them noticed.
I'm not sure about the in club activity. The cops in Brooklyn have tightened up but won't hassle you unless you're obvious problem. There is Bottom's Up which is another black club and Roxy's and PT's Brooklyn which used to be the Platinum Club. I've always had fun at both of them.
You'll occasionally see a sw in Brooklyn but its probably not like you remember it. More likely to find sw in East St. Louis.
If you find Brooklyn not to your liking, you can take a quick trip over to Washington Park. I suggest you check out that part of the forum.
HeavenForHire
12-08-07, 23:14
I was a working girl there for quite some time.Shortly after I left she apparently wandered back there.I know it was a inside job!The owners brother Eric or 2 other's i wont name on here are responsible!I bet a piece of my foot on that!!Its oneof the 3.I wonder thi are they connected with the girls found in the weeds this summer and recent?
I truely think Le should take a look at a *regular* at Discreet motel.He goes by the name Eric!
Never heard any mention of Melissa frequenting the Discrete but a lot of girls went in and out of that place.
When I read Melissa had died at the Belleville hospital it kinda raised my doubts about her getting murdered in East St. Louis at a drug house. If she'd been attacked there wouldn't she have been taken to the local hospital? I know Belleville has some really rough neighborhoods but if she'd been murdered in Belleville it should have been all over the News Democrat. The bad drugs angle seems more likely. Either way its a terrible thing.
The street girls can be great sources of information but at the same time they are actually pretty isolated and go a lot on what they hear by word of mouth from other girls or pimps. It can kinda be like that old childrens game of "telephone" where you tell the first kid one thing and then it gets repeated down the line of kids and then you see how messed up the story is at the end.
Group accused of more crimes
3 are charged with prostitution racket
By DERRICK NUNNALLY
dnunnally@journalsentinel.com
Posted: Dec. 6, 2007
The "Body Snatchers" crime ring, which authorities say was involved in a litany of crimes in Milwaukee including murder, cocaine dealing, armed robbery, kidnapping and mortgage fraud, has now been accused of running a prostitution racket stretching from Wisconsin to Nebraska.
Michael Lock, 36, previously accused in state and federal courts of leading the group's various operations, is charged with having pimped a group of exotic dancers - including the woman he would later marry, Shalonda Mason Lock - from 1998 to 2003. The operation netted more than $180,000 over the years, according to a criminal complaint filed Thursday in Milwaukee County Circuit Court.
Both Locks were charged with 10 felony counts of prostitution conspiracy, which would put each of them at risk of more than 90 years in prison if convicted on all counts.
Shalonda Lock, 34, has no other charges pending. Her husband already faces several centuries of potential prison time if convicted of the many other charges he faces.
"They're making desperate efforts to charge Mike Lock with anything they can possibly find," said his attorney, Rodney Cubbie.
A third person, Midgalia M. Smith, 30, is charged with helping the Locks run the pandering scheme and has been charged with four felonies punishable by up to 37 years.
According to the complaint, the interstate prostitution conspiracy was centered in Milwaukee, with the prostitutes sometimes housed in north side homes owned by Lock and his mother - including the home at 4900 N. Fiebrantz Ave. where two bodies were found under a concrete slab in 2005.
From there, the complaint says, the prostitutes traveled to exotic dance clubs in cities across the Midwest, including Wausau, Darien and Fountain City; Holdrege and Omaha, Neb.; and East St. Louis, Ill., dancing under the names Pleasure, Cha Cha, Mustang, Chick and Sassy, and selling sex in the clubs and nearby hotels.
Shalonda Lock, alleged to be both madam and prostitute, is accused of collecting the proceeds and wiring them back to Lock. According to Cubbie, Michael and Shalonda Lock were married after the time they are charged with running the prostitution ring.
The complaint quotes a recorded phone conversation between the two from November 2003, when Michael Lock was in prison:
Shalonda Lock: "Who were those other people, then?"
Michael Lock: "They was my hos."
Shalonda Lock: "They was your hos. I was your woman."
Michael Lock: "Right, but you was my ho, too."
Shalonda Lock was arrested Monday, Cubbie said.
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This article came up in my regular Google News search for East St. Louis information. I'm wondering which clubs these women danced at. I'm guessing the reporter used "East St. Louis" for the general area. In the time period mentioned Club64 would have been the only club actually in ESL.
Decided to cruise the east side and make a loop. Drove to Brooklyn, one BSW near the Pink Slipper ,maybe a 7, but uncle LEO was on Rte.3. Onto ESL. Saw 2 WSW on CR, both had a sponser. Made a U-turn near hwy 203. As I was driving back noticed one of St Clair's finest on a side street, continued on to Exchange and saw ISP LEO back into a dead end ramp. The weather was 41% and raining. I wondered if a set-up was about to go down and since I was to meet my SO in an hour, I decided to pass. The one WSW was blonde,white coat and about a 5. The other was 5ft 5", about 120#,and could be judged as a 6-7. Maybe next time, be careful & happy hunting.
RIP Melissa.
Funny thing was, since it had been almost a year, I couldn't remeber if it was Melissa or Jennifer that I had visited, lol. I had to go back to the pics to confirm that yes, it was Melissa. Very sad fate.
Anymore news on Sweet Melissa? (That was a great song, wasn't it.) Any definitive answers yet as to how this pretty lady met her untimely death at only 30? Murder? Bad drugs? Overdose?
I keep checking the newspapers for her last name, but nothing more yet--just the obituary.
If somebody killed her, either with a knife as was mentioned or tainted drugs as was also mentioned, that person needs to pay.
I hope the police are taking action. Kemo Sabe wrote that somebody may have been arrested. Anyone have any more info?
ESL shooting leaves one dead, another injured
BY CAROLYN P. SMITH
News-Democrat
A barrage of gunshots fired in the 1300 block of Lynch Avenue about 9:30 p.m. Saturday left one man dead and another slightly injured.
East St. Louis Police Chief Michael Baxton said the victim is in his twenties and is believed to be from Cahokia.
He is the 29th homicide in East St. Louis this year.
The unidentified homicide victim was sitting in his vehicle with two others when the gunshots rang out, striking the victim in the back of his head, spraying the vehicle and causing glass to explode from the front windshield, the passenger side and the rear of the vehicle, Baxton said.
Police responded to the 1500 block of Lynch after they received a call reporting the crime, Baxton said.
"They shot the vehicle up. There are bullet holes all over it. We believe eight to 10 rounds went through the vehicle," Baxton said.
"We determined that the driver had been killed and another man who was a passenger in the car was grazed by a bullet."
A third person in the car was unharmed, Baxton said. The car is a tan Hyundai Elantra, he said.
Police have not yet identified any suspects or established a motive for the murder, Baxton said.
He said police did not locate a weapon Saturday night. Detectives combed the vicinity where the shooting occurred.
"We need the public's help to find the shooter," Baxton said. "We're confident that if someone saw or heard something they will come forward and help."
Anyone with any information to help police locate the shooter is urged to call the East St. Louis Police Department at 482-6700 or Crime Stoppers at 1-866-371-Tips.
A reward of up to $1,000 is paid on the anonymous tip line.
© 2007 Belleville News-Democrat and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved. http://www.belleville.com
When its cold outside like now how you find the SW's? Or do they vacation/hibernate in winter?
Please explain locales on best place to find/meet. Not real familiar with e st louis
Ty
Rob
Saturday I was making usual rounds Miss Kittys, Dollies and Bottoms Up. I discovered a new club across the street from the S&L called "Peak A Boo Club". Does anyone know what type of club this is going to be?
When its cold outside like now how you find the SW's? Or do they vacation/hibernate in winter?
Please explain locales on best place to find/meet. Not real familiar with e st louis
Ty
Rob
The girls will still be out on the streets. Sometimes harder to tell who you are picking up since they'll be all bundled up. As far as locales etc....RTFF.
Did the drive about 4:30 p. M. , Temp. About 42. No activity in Brooklyn. Saw uncle LEO near the new Peek-a Boo Club. Onto ESL, Saw 4 SW's on 9th (CR) near Lynch & Exchange, 1 skinny WSW about a 4, the 3 BSW, about 3-4. They all had sponsors. Onto Wash Park. Nothing outside of the clubs & drew a blank by the notel. Nothing worth a dime, so I called it a day.
Be carefull & happy hunting.
Willy Word
12-20-07, 13:48
This was bound to happen right here. I've been gone for a month or two out of town but I knew this was comin. I know Deshawn. Matter of fact everyone who hangs around the neighborhood does. Any of you who have ever had a kid with short braids ask you to borrow your car or try to intimidate you into letting him have your car know him to. You just didn't know it was him. He was constantly riding around the area in stolen cars and was known for leaving people stranded in the neighborhood for days that he tricked into getting their cars. If you ever saw someone driving down the streets peeling out or going about 100mph down the side roads then that would be him 9 times out of 10. Crack and gun in the car always to. He would normally make it running from the police but I knew he would get caught sooner or later. I'm actually glad to hear this and I know alot of other people are to. The kid was annoying as hell. The neighborhood is safer without him. Not sayin its safe. LOL.
Dang, when you drive into the street-walker neighborhood that includes the streets of Lynch, 15th, Exchange, etc., you have to assume folks are armed.
Check out this story from BND.com:
ESL teen accused of buying $40 gun off the street, then trying to hide it
Weapon bought off street for $40
BY BETH HUNDSDORFER
News-Democrat (posted 11/24/2007)
An East St. Louis teenager faces weapons charges after police said he was trying to hide a gun he just bought off the street for $40, less than a week after another teenager was charged with the accidental shooting of a 5-year-old boy.
DeShawn L. Denton, 17, of 1513 N. 13th St. in East St. Louis, was charged Friday with aggravated unlawful use of a weapon. [Google Maps shows his home address is at Natalie Avenue and 13th, where we've all driven.]
The St. Clair County Sheriff's Department Street Crimes Unit stopped a car about 10 p.m. Thursday at 15th and Lynch streets in East St. Louis, said Sgt. Thomas Trice, head of the unit.
"The driver told police he picked up a woman, then was flagged down by Denton, who offered to pay for a ride home," Trice said.
[Why would Denton need a ride home? His home is so close, maybe 4 blocks away depending on where Denton waved down the car. Also, why would this apparent monger pick up a fella in addition to the apparent SW? He may not have been thinking with his noggin.]
Deputies Tom Peters and Dan Hill noticed [passenger] Denton trying to stuff an object down into the backseat. With the driver's consent, they searched the car and found a .25 semi-automatic pistol between the seat cushions, Trice said.
Denton told deputies he had just bought the gun for $40.
Investigators continue to work the case to determine how Denton got the gun, Trice said.
Denton, who turned 17 in January, was charged as an adult.
His bail was set at $20,000. He was being held Friday in the county jail.
A 14-year-old boy was charged Tuesday with unlawful use of a firearm under the juvenile code after police said he discharged a gun and struck a 5-year-old who was sleeping in his bed.
Tyris Jones was released from the hospital earlier this week after he suffered a gunshot wound. The bullet traveled through a wall into Tryis' bedroom, striking the 5-year-old in the lower left chest.
Police and the mother of the juvenile, who cannot be identified because of his age, didn't know where he got the gun.
"We have to take these guns out of these children's hands," East St. Louis Police Chief Michael Baxton said after the boy was charged.
The street value of guns have dropped, Trice said, allowing younger children to gain access to weapons.
"It's definitely something we are seeing," Trice said. "It's tough when guns go for little to nothing, like in this case."
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It was the county sheriff's department that made the stop, not East St. Louis police or state troopers. The County Sheriff--we haven't heard them mentioned here before.
I wonder if the driver might not have been stopped if he hadn't picked up the car's third occupant.
First, I would like to tell all of you to be very very careful in the Exchange area. I had a small problem with Illinios finest last night. But first let me tell you about my hunting on Broadway and Gravios.
I traveled down Jefferson/Broadway from 44. I saw a young thin WSW in the area of Jefferson and Grand(?) but after I turned around I saw her getting into a car. I traveled down Gravios near the Bevo Mill. I say a young 18-20yo WSW(?). I made a few trips around the block, she would never make direct eye contact, but did smile at me. When I turned around in a parking lot she walked past the front of my car and smiled. After passing me she made sure to shake her ass much more inticing than before. But after a few trips, I gave up.
In the same area, not sure what the intersection was, I saw a BSW. Very very short jean skirt. Wore a parka type coat on my first two passes, but took it off to show off a very hefty chest cover in a nice white blouse. the only problem I had was her 'boyfriend' was around and I was very uncomfortable in the way he looked at me as I try to get some signal from her. Again, after a few trips past I gave up and headed to the East side.
Now about my trip to the East side. I made my way to the St Clair exit. Made the loop from Rt 3(this is the road that leads to Roxy's) made a right and past the park right at the stop sign and over the tracks. Nothing to see at all. Made a left on Exchange after a few zig zags thru the streets in that area. Saw a few BSW but was not interested because I do not like it when they walk right out in front of you and start yelling.
Then my fun with the Illinios State Troopers. One of them followed me down Winestly(?) then I screwed up, instead of going left to get back on 55 heading east, I turned right to go about a mile and hit 55 west. Right after turning the lights came on and I thought OH SHIT.
The trooper asked the regular things, DL and insurance. Then asked me what I was over in that area for. Well, I had rehearsed this several times, and I quickly said I was lost. I was trying to get to Roxy's to pick up a friend who was too drunk to drive. Well, as you can guess he was not buying it. He questioned me several times. Told me that having anything hanging from the rearview mirror was illegal. I took down somethings, including my radar detector. Again he questioned me a few more times, still not buying my story. He went back to his car and talked to the 2nd trooper that had arrived. He came back up to me and told me to close my window because he was going to have his dog take a trip around my car. Well, one trip around became two, then three. Obviously he found nothing. Then the 2nd trooper came up and asked me what the real reason was I was in the area. Just like the first trooper, he did not believe me. But I stuck to my guns and kept telling him why I was there. Well, the first trooper came back up, handed me a warning ticket for an obstructed windshield. Told me that I was lucky not to have been car jacked and/or killed. He told me to get out of the area and if he ever saw me there again that he would make our next visit much worse.
With his permission and directions to Roxy's I made a u-turn and headed to Roxy's. Parked in the lot for a few, since one of them had followed me, then left and headed home as quickly as possible.
Sorry about the lenght of this, if admin thinks it is too long let me know and I will shorten it.
Guys, just be very very carefull in looking for some fun!
Larks Tongue
12-22-07, 14:39
Then my fun with the Illinios State Troopers. One of them followed me down Winestly(?) then I screwed up, instead of going left to get back on 55 heading east, I turned right to go about a mile and hit 55 west. Right after turning the lights came on and I thought OH SHIT.
The trooper asked the regular things, DL and insurance. Then asked me what I was over in that area for. Well, I had rehearsed this several times, and I quickly said I was lost. I was trying to get to Roxy's to pick up a friend who was too drunk to drive. Well, as you can guess he was not buying it. He questioned me several times. Told me that having anything hanging from the rearview mirror was illegal. I took down somethings, including my radar detector. Again he questioned me a few more times, still not buying my story. He went back to his car and talked to the 2nd trooper that had arrived. He came back up to me and told me to close my window because he was going to have his dog take a trip around my car. Well, one trip around became two, then three. Obviously he found nothing. Then the 2nd trooper came up and asked me what the real reason was I was in the area. Just like the first trooper, he did not believe me. But I stuck to my guns and kept telling him why I was there. Well, the first trooper came back up, handed me a warning ticket for an obstructed windshield. Told me that I was lucky not to have been car jacked and/or killed. He told me to get out of the area and if he ever saw me there again that he would make our next visit much worse.
With his permission and directions to Roxy's I made a u-turn and headed to Roxy's. Parked in the lot for a few, since one of them had followed me, then left and headed home as quickly as possible.
Sorry about the lenght of this, if admin thinks it is too long let me know and I will shorten it.
Guys, just be very very carefull in looking for some fun!
You got to love it when going for a drive became illegal. There was no real reason to pull you over with the exception of hassling you.
Zero Cool07
12-22-07, 15:54
I have had the same thing happen to me many times.
I have been told "there is NO reason for a white guy to be in this area. "
I felt I was profiled by my race. Its like I was told where I could and could not go because of my skin tone. Where is my attorney when I need him.
We all need to "kick in" and buy one of the old run down homes or lots in that area that are up for tax auction. This way when asked we can say we own land in the area and are just looking it over.
Then we could park on OUR lot and do whatever we want because we will be on private prop. We could rent the lot out to out of "towners". Just kiddin but it could work.
I had LE pull me over earlier this year for having expired plates. Of course after checking me out they found out that my plates were not expired. I also was stopped once for running a stop sign at an intersection which was not there. They will use any excuse to stop you so they can check you out.
I have had the same thing happen to me many times.
I have been told "there is NO reason for a white guy to be in this area. "
I felt I was profiled by my race. Its like I was told where I could and could not go because of my skin tone. Where is my attorney when I need him.
We all need to "kick in" and buy one of the old run down homes or lots in that area that are up for tax auction. This way when asked we can say we own land in the area and are just looking it over.
Then we could park on OUR lot and do whatever we want because we will be on private prop. We could rent the lot out to out of "towners". Just kiddin but it could work.
First, I would like to tell all of you to be very very careful in the Exchange area. I had a small problem with Illinios finest last night. But first let me tell you about my hunting on Broadway and Gravios.
I traveled down Jefferson/Broadway from 44. I saw a young thin WSW in the area of Jefferson and Grand(?) but after I turned around I saw her getting into a car. I traveled down Gravios near the Bevo Mill. I say a young 18-20yo WSW(?). I made a few trips around the block, she would never make direct eye contact, but did smile at me. When I turned around in a parking lot she walked past the front of my car and smiled. After passing me she made sure to shake her ass much more inticing than before. But after a few trips, I gave up.
In the same area, not sure what the intersection was, I saw a BSW. Very very short jean skirt. Wore a parka type coat on my first two passes, but took it off to show off a very hefty chest cover in a nice white blouse. the only problem I had was her 'boyfriend' was around and I was very uncomfortable in the way he looked at me as I try to get some signal from her. Again, after a few trips past I gave up and headed to the East side.
Now about my trip to the East side. I made my way to the St Clair exit. Made the loop from Rt 3(this is the road that leads to Roxy's) made a right and past the park right at the stop sign and over the tracks. Nothing to see at all. Made a left on Exchange after a few zig zags thru the streets in that area. Saw a few BSW but was not interested because I do not like it when they walk right out in front of you and start yelling.
Then my fun with the Illinios State Troopers. One of them followed me down Winestly(?) then I screwed up, instead of going left to get back on 55 heading east, I turned right to go about a mile and hit 55 west. Right after turning the lights came on and I thought OH SHIT.
The trooper asked the regular things, DL and insurance. Then asked me what I was over in that area for. Well, I had rehearsed this several times, and I quickly said I was lost. I was trying to get to Roxy's to pick up a friend who was too drunk to drive. Well, as you can guess he was not buying it. He questioned me several times. Told me that having anything hanging from the rearview mirror was illegal. I took down somethings, including my radar detector. Again he questioned me a few more times, still not buying my story. He went back to his car and talked to the 2nd trooper that had arrived. He came back up to me and told me to close my window because he was going to have his dog take a trip around my car. Well, one trip around became two, then three. Obviously he found nothing. Then the 2nd trooper came up and asked me what the real reason was I was in the area. Just like the first trooper, he did not believe me. But I stuck to my guns and kept telling him why I was there. Well, the first trooper came back up, handed me a warning ticket for an obstructed windshield. Told me that I was lucky not to have been car jacked and/or killed. He told me to get out of the area and if he ever saw me there again that he would make our next visit much worse.
With his permission and directions to Roxy's I made a u-turn and headed to Roxy's. Parked in the lot for a few, since one of them had followed me, then left and headed home as quickly as possible.
Sorry about the lenght of this, if admin thinks it is too long let me know and I will shorten it.
Guys, just be very very carefull in looking for some fun!CRASH....I'm not picking on you but Jefferson and Grand don't intersect in the City or County! What exact intersection are you referring to when you spotted the WSW..?
Thanks,
This continues my post from the St. Louis, Missouri forum. On Thursday of last week when I was in town, I saw Kendra walking on Lynch near 9th Street at about 4:10 PM. She appeared cleanly dressed with nice lipstick and a very well-styled hair cut. I was blown away by her hair. I might have picked her up, but I had made arrangements over the phone with Amber from Craig's List to meet at 6 PM.
About 50 minutes after seeing Kendra, I saw a thin, HWP, tall lady in a hoodie near 9th and Winstanley or Exchange. She was too far from me to get a good look at her face, but my impression was favorable. I'd guess she was 20- or 30-something. She yelled hey as I passed her on the opposite side of the road. I had to continue driving another block or two until I got to an intersection in order to make a legal turn to go back and investigate, but as I was still 2 blocks away and driving in the wrong direction, a big tricked-out show truck happened to be traveling right by her and picked her up.
Does anyone know who I might be talking about? I hope to see her again when I'm in town.
Anyway, I'm actually glad I wasn't able to pick her up this time, because much later on that night after my Amber date turned out to be a bust, I drove back to East St. Louis and encountered the wonderful, wonderful Ashley. Yes!
I'll have to devote some time to Ashley's post, so it will come next time.
What can I say about Ashley. The gods must have smiled on me.
You'll pay your dues to get to Ashley, though. I picked up this sweetie at 15th and Lynch, exactly 2 blocks away from where that poor guy got shot to death and his car riddled with bullet holes only 5 days earlier. He prematurely met his maker at 13th and Lynch.
Well, as you can expect, there was a big police presence late Thursday night when I went out looking for some fun. The time was close to midnight, about 4 hours after I was given a strip club Hand Job that I wrote about in the Washington Park, Illinois forum.
Midnight and there were several police cruisers with whirling lights parked along 9th between Lynch and Lake. Perhaps they had somebody pulled over. I didn't get close enough to find out. Earlier in the day I saw a police officer searching someone's car at that spot.
I don't believe the officers at midnight were within view of the intersection at 15th Street and Lynch, where I picked up Ashley. 15th and Lynch is tucked away further back in the hood, really a dangerous spot. But there is a small little convenience store at that intersection, too.
Anyway, on my first pass there at midnight, I saw brunette Heather (not Crazy Heather) at that intersection. I spoke with her a little bit. She asked for a ride to the Metro station. Does Heather not live in the hood? Maybe she needed to take the Metro at midnight to get back home? For some reason I was reluctant to oblige her, but I did give her a few bucks through the window.
So I drove onward, but I was feeling guilty at around St. Clair Avenue for not giving Heather a ride to the Metro station, so I drove back to killer alley to give her the ride she wanted. However, she was nowhere to be seen. Instead, when I reached 15th and Lynch, I hit the jackpot and ran into Ashley for the first time ever.
I stopped a little ahead of that small convenience store, and Ashley crossed the street, walked over to my driver-side window and began talking. Her cute, enthusiastic female dog Jackie was with her, as was a black male friend who did not approach the car. It was midnight, so her friend was probably there to make sure nothing bad happened to her.
While standing at my window, Ashleigh brings up the idea of an all-night date. Wouldn't you know it, just as she says this, a police cruiser drives up on us from behind and stops at my car's side. The male white police officer inside shines a very bright spotlight into my car. I remain motionless, don't react at all other than to turn my head to avoid the bright light. I remain motionless for about 5 seconds as he peers at me, Ashley, and the car.
Well, like I said the gods must have smiled on me, because he turns off the spotlight and drives forward. Ashley and I don't do a thing but wait until he is several blocks down the road and turns the corner! Close call.
Overnight date with Ashley is coming up.
Ashley is 5'3", petite build, sweet legs, nice pretty breasts (C or D-cups; I think she may have said they were once 34D), green eyes, dirty blonde hair that was dyed very blonde but not platinum, and 21 years old. She has an effervescent personality, is friendly, and is a pleasure to be with. She was dressed cleanly in a sexy casual outfit. The drawback is she also likes her drugs--crack cocaine in particular.
All I can say is thank god it's not methamphetamine. I don't think she's into meth because her teeth are excellent. She even purchased an Oral B toothbrush at that little convenience store at 15th and Lynch. I let her buy whatever she wanted (Newport cigarettes, chips, big bottle of Cranberry Juice, lighter, etc.). She must have used the toothbrush before our date because I later saw the brush outside its plastic packaging in the motel's bathroom. She also showered ahead of our date. I let her take all the time she wanted--didn't disturb her a bit.
When we got the room at the motel, she insisted of the clerk that the room have a bathtub, not just a shower, so the clerk gave us Room #25. She must have a bathtub.
I had a great time with Ashleigh. She's a sociable person. If only she could get off the drugs. Anyway, she gives great head. Very enthusiastic head. Uncovered BBBJ. Your mileage may vary, of course. She has lots of energy. The intercourse was very
enjoyable. She is such a sweetie. Afterwards, I enjoyed lying on the bed next to her with my penis touching her leg, just talking and watching a little tube. She has pretty lips, both top and bottom.
Now the awful part. She told me that only 2 days earlier, some car-date client she had broke 2 of her ribs with a punch. This scumbag had received his service, had the money in his hand, was handing it to her, and just as she took a hold of it, he never released the cash. Instead he punched her in the ribs. Total scum bag. She had to go to the hospital. 2 ribs are broken. You can see the bruising. Her ribs still hurt.
How she managed to be so nice during our date, I don't know.
I let her sleep as late as possible the following morning before hotel check-out time. When she awoke she said she hadn't slept that well in a long while.
We talked and ate. A little later I asked for my fav, a KY-lubed hand job. She had me squirting and squirting. A-s-h-l-e-i-g-h
A-s-h-l-e-i-g-h
If only she could break the hold of the crack cocaine. More on that in another post.
I asked if she had a working phone number, but she currently does not. If I lived in St. Louis, instead of 2 hours away, I probably would have bought her a cheap pre-paid phone for $30.
More on this sweet lady later.
Willy Word
12-24-07, 20:06
I let her buy whatever she wanted (Newport cigarettes, chips, big bottle of Cranberry Juice, lighter, etc.). Let her buy whatever she wanted? She must love you. LOL. Or at least your money. Don't let these females run you like that. I promise you anyone you pick up in the park will do everything your talkin about for less cause 98. 99% of them back there are on the pipe. You've been at this for awhile but I can see you still have a lot to learn.
Has anyone posted pictures of Ashleigh in the past? You have my interest now, would like a look to see if I know her.
Big A
Chiapet9 posted a picture and review of this girl back in March.
Here's the link:
http://usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=512954&postcount=312
I think that she may have lost a few pounds since the picture was taken.
Kemo Sabe,
Thanks, I was typing her name wrong while searching.
Does anyone know anything about the VIP AMP?
Is it still closed?
Alex P Keaton
12-26-07, 20:43
Ashley
She also seemed like a sweetheart to me. I met her for the first time about a month ago when I was giving a ride to another girl, and Ashley was with her. Her story was that she spends two weeks out of each month in her hometown (which I won't disclose here for the sake of her privacy) and then two weeks in the 'hood because, among other things, it makes the crack high more intense.
She had a working cell phone at the time, a Motorola that she used my charger to charge.
Alex P Keaton
12-26-07, 20:49
In the wee hours of Wednesday morning, one of the girls hopped into my car in quite a panic. She had gotten into a date's car, and as they were driving off, a sheriff's deputy pulled them over. Since the date's car was traveling at a slow rate of speed, she jumped out of the moving car and ran off. He was pulled over at roughly 13th and Exchange. The patrol car was still there, lights blazing, when I drove her out of the area.
If this was one of you guys, and this was your Christmas present, we'd appreciate a report.
Her story was that she spends two weeks out of each month in her hometown (which I won't disclose here for the sake of her privacy) and then two weeks in the 'hood because, among other things, it makes the crack high more intense.
Yep, she is a sweetheart. She also mentioned to me where her hometown is, which, like you, I won't disclose. Good idea to keep some thing private.
She also told me what house she is currently living in while in the 'hood. But I won't reveal the house's location, since she probably doesn't want it known.
She's been staying in that house off-an-on now for the past 3 months, with a Black man that she happened to describe as a "bad man." "Bad man" are her exact words. Now we all know most black men are not bad men, so I asked her why he was a "bad man."
She said he was poisoning or had poisoned the puppies in his dog's latest litter. I was shocked. She also said she had seen him with a syringe in his hands while holding the pups.
My stomach was turned. I asked if there were any other things that made him a bad man. She just remained silent.
I hope she'll be alright in that house with that guy.
The guy, by the way, is NOT the father of either of her 2 children, which are 1 and 2 years old.
Here's some bad news about one of her children's father, though. While Ashleigh and I were shopping in that small, rinky-dink convenience store at midnight at 15th and Lynch, the tall Black owner of that store looked outside and noticed that the father of one of Ashleigh's kids was being detained by police.
I looked outside the store. There were 2 cop cars and a drug-sniffing dog looking for drugs. She was visibly upset by this. We both hoped no drugs were found on his person or on the ground near him. When Ashhleigh and I left the store, the dog was still sniffing around on the ground. So I hope nothing was found.
She told me the father has full custody of their child, so hopefully he wasn't arrested.
She said he had spent 2 months in jail recently--or maybe she said 2 weeks.
Drove around Brooklyn today (4pm) looking for SWs. Saw one but wasn't feeling her. What's the best way to find a SW over there? Near the clubs?
Member #3213
12-27-07, 04:02
Does anyone know anything about the VIP AMP?
Is it still closed?From another forum:
VIP - Centreville
I spoke to someone last night who appeared to be a reliable source. I was checking out VIP to see if they had opened yet, and was approached by a large gentleman in a silver truck. According to him, they are not yet ready to open, but they WILL be reopening shortly. He didn't have an exact timeframe to give. FYI, if you are over there and are approached by a large white gentleman in a silver truck, don't be alarmed, he is some sort of manager/owner, and is friendly to hobbyists.
Mister Quick
12-27-07, 12:51
Yep, she is a sweetheart. She also mentioned to me where her hometown is, which, like you, I won't disclose. Good idea to keep some thing private.
She also told me what house she is currently living in while in the 'hood. But I won't reveal the house's location, since she probably doesn't want it known.
She's been staying in that house off-an-on now for the past 3 months, with a Black man that she happened to describe as a "bad man." "Bad man" are her exact words. Now we all know most black men are not bad men, so I asked her why he was a "bad man."
She said he was poisoning or had poisoned the puppies in his dog's latest litter. I was shocked. She also said she had seen him with a syringe in his hands while holding the pups.
My stomach was turned. I asked if there were any other things that made him a bad man. She just remained silent.
I hope she'll be alright in that house with that guy.
The guy, by the way, is NOT the father of either of her 2 children, which are 1 and 2 years old.
Here's some bad news about one of her children's father, though. While Ashleigh and I were shopping in that small, rinky-dink convenience store at midnight at 15th and Lynch, the tall Black owner of that store looked outside and noticed that the father of one of Ashleigh's kids was being detained by police.
I looked outside the store. There were 2 cop cars and a drug-sniffing dog looking for drugs. She was visibly upset by this. We both hoped no drugs were found on his person or on the ground near him. When Ashhleigh and I left the store, the dog was still sniffing around on the ground. So I hope nothing was found.
She told me the father has full custody of their child, so hopefully he wasn't arrested.
Jail wouldn't be new for him, though. She said he had spent 2 months in jail recently--or maybe she said 2 weeks.
Seems like she, along with at least one or two other women in this profession, never were real good at picking men to father their children.
Well, Mister Quick, let me say it wasn't smart of me to get out of the car. Once again I broke a cardinal rule of hobbying: never get out of the boat.
At midnight there were a few males hanging around that 15th and Lynch corner by the convenience store. I made eye contact a few times with one of them, a young, strong buck with braided hair--he was probably between 17 and 22 years old, only 5'8" or so but stocky strong build. Anything could have happened I guess. Like the DeShawn in an earlier posting, he could have tried to steal my car, wrestled me for the keys, or anything else. He didn't seem like a mean guy, but at midnight especially you can't take any chances. I should have stayed in the boat. (I actually wondered if this was the infamous DeShawn.)
One thing working in my favor, I suppose, was all the police activity in the area, since there was the fatal shooting there 5 days earlier.
Alex, last time you mentioned you had picked up an SW who had just jumped out of a monger's still-moving car after a police officer was pulling the monger's car over.
I'm guessing the lady you picked up probably fled from police because she was carrying drugs and/or paraphernalia. She sure was taking quite a risk to jump out of the monger's car while the car was still slowly rolling to a stop.
I didn't realize it at the time, but when I picked up Ashleigh, she was carrying 2 small crack rocks, a crack pipe, and pieces of brillo. I saw it all later in the motel room. After she bathed and we had our fun, she broke out the pipe, crack, and brillo. It seems pieces of brillo pad are used inside the pipe while smoking the crack.
Sheesh, by the next day when we left, there were small pieces of Brillo in the bed, in the bathroom, on the dresser, on the floor. Messy. I cleaned up some of it and put it in the trash can so the motel personnel wouldn't blame me or think I had something to do with it.
On a side note, Ashleigh mentioned that somebody had recently stolen almost all her things. The thief took her purse, cell phone, clothes, and just about everything. She was most upset about the loss of almost all her clothes.
Anyone know a way to get ahold of her to set up meeting? Very intersted. Thx. Also anyone that has met with her please PM me what the charges were so I know I can afford.
Thx,
Rob
Alex P Keaton
12-28-07, 14:25
I'm guessing the lady you picked up probably fled from police because she was carrying drugs and/or paraphernalia.
Or had an outstanding warrant. Or didn't want to be arrested as a known prostitute in an obvious prostitution situation. Lots of possibilities.
I'm in town for business until Sunday. My original plan was to try and hook up with Ashley, but that fell through as I couldn't find her. In the past I have spotted a heavy set BSW on Exchange several times while in town. I have spotted this girl get in several vehicles while out mongering, I decided to give her a try today, and my goodness she gives a great BBBJ for 2 Hamiltons. I have to leave town Sunday, and will look for Ashley 1 more time, if I cant find her I will be back next month to try again, I guess thats 1/2 the fun. Happy mongering in the New Year everyone!
Robc73 and Big A,
I usually find Ashley on Lake Ave or Lynch St between 11th St and 14th St. Thursday, around 3 pm, I found her standing in front of a bar at 11th and Lake. I usually pay her $60 for BBBJ and FS. Like most girls on the street, she can't seem to keep a phone long.
The star in the attached photo marks the best spot to find Ashely and other girls. It's also a good spot to get your brains blown out so be careful!
Anyone know a way to get ahold of her to set up meeting? Very intersted. Thx. Also anyone that has met with her please PM me what the charges were so I know I can afford.
Thx,
Rob
If you newbies pick up Ashleigh or any other girl, you better write about your date, if you expect any help in the future again.
Fellow Mongers,
I have to leave tomorrow back home to Wisconsin. Just wanted to tell you guys you live in a Gold Mine in my eyes. Had my final date with a girl from Brooklyn who gives me the name of "Italy", she is the same girl in Lust Full's post #722 on 10-20-07 who he calls Tara. She is my Regular when I come to town every month, always find her walking right on Route 3. I want to tell you guys Lust Full is absolutely correct when he stated she gives the best BBBJ ever. She is priced right too, always give her .20, and shes happy. Happy Mongering everyone.
Ashleigh said she has been doing this for less than a year, so 8 months ago Chiapet9 must have seen her near the start of her SW'ing. Thank goodness we have condoms; a lady can see a lot of people in a year. Keep your willicker safe (or safer)!
I don't know if this is true, but when I mentioned to Ashleigh that she looks just a little like Shannon, Ashleigh said that Shannon is dirty and has AIDS.
I'm guessing Ashleigh meant to say that Shannon is HIV-positive because, when I saw Shannon last summer, Shannon did not look ill like she had full-blown AIDS. By the way, you'll remember from my post of my one date with Shannon, all I did was massage her breasts (didn't even kiss'em) and I fingered her nice vagina. I was too scared to do anything else--not because Shannon looked sick. She doesn't look sick, but she was only my second Street Walker ever, and I wasn't taking any chances. I can't remember if I posted her review here or on the old, now-defunct CLreviiewBoard/TNAreviews.
You'll also remember that I didn't even have sex with 27-year-old Crazy Heather or even let her give me a hand job because I noticed she had cuts on her fingers. As I mentioned in my report, all I did with Heather was cuddle with her and massage her breasts. I take very few chances.
Anyway, what do you all think of this allegation by Ashleigh that Shannon is dirty and has "AIDS" (or at least is HIV-positive)? How would Ashleigh know? Shannon didn't look ill when I saw her last summer. Is this just SW jealousy and bad-talking or could there be something behind it? Always use condoms if you go in.
Rosco,
I think that this is most likely SW jealousy at work. Even if Shannon had aids, Ashley probably wouldn't know about it anyway. When I happen to mention another SW to the girl I'm with, the girl usually has something bad to say about the other girl. Somebody once told me Ashley had diseases but didn't say which ones.
Aways wrap up and don't DATY & DFK no matter how good it looks! I wouldn't finger it either!
BTW, I am not clear on what "dirty" means. Can somebody explain this? I thought that it meant that a girl was shooting heroin with a needle.
Anyway, what do you all think of this allegation by Ashleigh that Shannon is dirty and has "AIDS" (or at least is HIV-positive)? How would Ashleigh know? Shannon didn't look ill when I saw her last summer. Is this just SW jealousy and bad-talking or could there be something behind it? Always use condoms if you go in.
Willy Word
12-31-07, 21:56
Like the DeShawn in an earlier posting, he could have tried to steal my car, wrestled me for the keys, or anything else. He didn't seem like a mean guy, but at midnight especially you can't take any chances. I should have stayed in the boat. (I actually wondered if this was the infamous DeShawn.)
^^Nah DeShawn is skinny... no chance that was him anyway cause he ain't around right now... Really he didn't hang out around that corner much anyways he usually stayed around the projects over between gross and natalie...
Willy Word
12-31-07, 21:59
I'm in town for business until Sunday. My original plan was to try and hook up with Ashley, but that fell through as I couldn't find her. In the past I have spotted a heavy set BSW on Exchange several times while in town. I have spotted this girl get in several vehicles while out mongering, I decided to give her a try today, and my goodness she gives a great BBBJ for 2 Hamiltons. I have to leave town Sunday, and will look for Ashley 1 more time, if I cant find her I will be back next month to try again, I guess thats 1/2 the fun. Happy mongering in the New Year everyone!
^^I'm 99.9999% sure I know who your talkin about... with that said... just make sure you wear a rubber with her because she is out there 24/7... 365... just not always in that same spot... sometimes down by the royal inn to....
^^Nah DeShawn is skinny... no chance that was him anyway cause he ain't around right now... Really he didn't hang out around that corner much anyways
Willy, it sounds like you might live in the neighborhood? Somebody has written that Craig's List and Backpage advertiser Stacie lives close by there, near Baugh Ave. If you separate the area into quadrants (or 4 parts) divided by the streets St. Clair Avenue (one leg of the "X") and 9th Street/Collinsville Ave. (the other leg of the "X"), in which quadrant do you live?
I toured through Washington Park last time I was in town, too, so if you live there, I'm kinda familiar with it, too. In fact, to get to the C-Mowes Club from East St. Louis, I made sure to take 15th to Lincoln to Waverly to Forest, instead of the safer, usual, run-of-the-mill path along Collinsville Road and Kingshighway or
64 and Kingshighway.
In order to get back to East St. Louis from Washington Park, I took Caseyville Avenue to Lynch. So do you live anywhere near those streets? Maybe I'll stop by next time and we can get a drink at C-Mowe's and screw a couple ladies? We might make a good team, like Han Solo (Harrison Ford in "Star Wars") and Lando Calrissian (Billy Dee Williams in "The Empire Strikes Back") :)
Belleville police ask for help finding woman
She has been missing since Oct. 28
BY BRIAN BRUEGGEMANN
News-Democrat
Belleville police on Sunday asked for the public's help in locating a woman who has been missing since October.
Janet Tillman, 50, of the 9500 block of West Main Street in Belleville, was last seen on Oct. 28.
"She was last seen getting picked up by an individual in East St. Louis and hasn't been seen since," said Detective Marvin Henderson.
Tillman's family reported her missing on Nov. 5. Henderson said Tillman used to have frequent contact with her family.
"She stayed in contact with the family very well," Henderson said. "Never missed a birthday, never missed a holiday."
Tillman was last seen in the area of Ninth Street and Exchange Avenue. Henderson said Tillman also was known to frequent a truck stop in Madison.
Tillman is a black woman with medium skin tone; 5 feet, 7 inches tall; 185 pounds; and wears glasses. She has scars on her neck and her left eyebrow.
Police asked that anyone with information call the Belleville Police Department at 234-1218.
http://www.bnd.com/179/story/215513.html
If you newbies pick up Ashleigh or any other girl, you better write about your date, if you expect any help in the future again.Being relatively new to the area, I've written a couple reports to try to help out. I got a good sense for cruisin SW, and I've posted reports for both sides of the river. I posted a question for help last week, but my request was quickly buried and never answered. Albeit, the post was under the Washington Park thread, I can't help but think that most of the readers here also keep up to date on the surrounding areas--it's easy to tell by the posters.
My question was how to close the deal in a strip club. I've read how easy it is to get extras, but nobody ever tells how they get from the table dance to the back room, and from the back room to . . . well, the back door.
So, to the good ole boys here, I submit this as my report:
Was at ******* in Brooklyn (I'll paste this in the Washington thread too)talking to a lady who asked me if I wanted a dance. 7 face, 5 body, 8 attitude. We stayed in the main room, but she was grinding away like the world was gonna end. I told her, "If you keep that up, I'm gonna want to do more."
She said, "Well, there's rooms here we can go to."
Me: "How much are we talking about?"
Her: "You gotta pay the house .4 for the room, and then after it is just you and me."
Me: "And that would make it about 1.2 total for me?"
Her: "Yes."
Me: "And that's including these dances here too."
Her: "OK."
So we go into a back locked room. She tells me to get comfortable, and I strip off everything. She asks what I want, and I tell her to start dancing for me. As she does, I pull out my condom, open the package, and put it on the arm of the chair. She goes for it, but I tell her to get me really hard first. BBBJ very nice. The condom is applied, and I get her standing, on her back, her on me, and dog. It was heavy duty excellent watching her face in the mirror. I like condom's because I can go all night. She is caked in sweat and begging for my jiz, and I tell her I want to see it on her chest. She says, "Oh yeah, give it to me," and I finish it off. We were in the back room for 35 minutes by my watch.
She gave me her number, and I told her OK, but I don't do monogamy. She said she doesn't either. We go back out to the bar, she excuses herself to freshen up, and I order a drink. A dancer follows her to the back and comes out 5 minutes later, comes up to me with a smile and just hands me her number! Another one comes out in street clothes on her way out with a grin on her face, sees me, comes right up and GIVES ME HER NUMBER TOO!! Damn. Finally, my lady comes out all fresh after about 20 minutes and asks if that was OK. I told her it was.
So I guess that I didn't need any help from my fellow posters in the first place. Thanks anyways.
Denise was reviewed by Rosco in post #758 and sighted again in post 791. I picked her up Saturday night around 10 PM at Rt. 3 & 1st St (across from the Rack). She is a WSW, brunette, thin, nice body, decent face, looks to be a well-preserved 40 or so (Rosco's report said she's 41). She was wearing tight fitting jeans, tight sweater, and a vest. I got a good clear view of her butt before picking her up to make sure she was thin. I make sure to do this in the winter because the bigger girls are good at using bulky clothing to hide their own bulk. Denise, OTOH, had nothing to hide and looked really good.
We started driving down 1st and I said we were going to a room in Fairmont. She says she doesn't do Fairmont. That raised alarm bells because that usually means the girl is trying to get me to the Royal Inn or in some other way on her own turf. She said no she just prefers a nicer motel, the Econo at Bunkham and 111. She said she has friends down there at the Hustler Club so I wouldn't have to bring her back. Well, I was there before the fire and am comfortable with that motel so I agreed and started heading for the freeway. Then I bring up price and she quotes me 100. I immediately hit the brakes and turn around and head back to where I picked her up explaining that the going rate is 50 and I'm not some newbie about to be fleeced. She replies that she's not playing games, she always charges 50 for car dates and 100 for motel. The key thing here is she did not get hostile or start making threats about not getting out of my car like other girls have done when a date is being aborted. She remained civil and eventually offered to work for 60 or 70. I agreed to 60 and once again we were off to the freeway.
As we exited I-64 and were coming up to the light at 111 & Bunkham, she said that instead of the motel we could go to the Hustler Club Boutique and use a video booth that locks and has enough room. She said they let couples in for $5 and I just have to put a couple of singles into the video machine. I agreed and then she said since I was saving motel money, could I give her 70? She was right on the math, so I agreed. The Hustler Club has a "boutique," i.e., a video store and video booth/theater complex next to the club. You pay the clerk $5 dollars for a wrist band (or two for couples) which entitles you to use the video booths. The theater is extra. There are quite a few booths along a set of interconnecting little hallways. There is an attendant sitting in the hallway to keep an eye on things. Denise picked a booth and we went in. The door is solid and has a good lock. There are two stools and even a couple of coat hooks and enough floor space for BJ and bend-over doggie style. Two dollars starts the machine. She asked me if I liked milfs and selected a milf channel. I laughed because I was already with a great looking milf.
She took off her pants and pulled up her sweater and bra. She has nice little titties with big nipples. Just a little loose skin on the stomach but otherwise perfect. She does BJ covered which is not what I prefer, but OK. I ask if I can lick her pussy and she says that's extra, so I decline and just rub it instead. I am usually nervous with a new girl and am only getting about half hard. So I start jerking off (still covered) and she positions herself so I am rubbing my head up against her clit as I jerk. then she has me suck her tit and while I'm jerking against her clit and sucking her tit, she sticks her tongue in my ear. This combination soon has me hot and hard so she says. "put it in me." She bends over to reveal an absolutely perfect ass. Thin but not bony, just no extra junk. Small, perfectly shaped, smooth and creamy, not a blemish on it. Banging her while looking down at this beautiful ass was quite a turn on. Meanwhile she's softly saying, "Fuck that pussy!" It didn't take too long for me to shoot. We get dressed and exit the booth. She tells me she's just going to go over to the motel so I don't need to walk her out. Cool, she disappears, I use the bathroom and leave.
Overall, this was a great date. The negatives are:
1. Her attempt to get double the going rate. She is the only SW I've run across who charges double the price of a car date for a motel date. I'm willing to pay 10-20 extra for motel because it takes more of the girl's time; in a motel she gets completely naked, I suck her tits and take my time, etc., but not double!
2. She only does CBJ.
3. She charges extra for DATY
The postives:
1. Her looks
2. She is easy to talk to and not strung out.
3. Her professionalism--she worked to make me cum.
4. Not having to drive her back.
Denise is definitely worth picking up.
I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas or a Happy Hanukkah. And a very special Kwanzaa to our Black friends, some of whom celebrate that along with Christmas/Hanukkah.
As Tom Thumb once said, "God bless us all, everyone!" :)
I just wanted to add a few more things about Ashleigh. She said she used to be a dancer at a strip club. I think she said Hollywood.
She also said something incredibly interesting. I don't know if it's accurate, though. According to her, if you ask an undercover cop for his badge number, he must tell you. Don't ask him if he's a cop because we all know he can lie to that question and just say no, but according to Ashleigh, the cop must tell you his/her badge number if you specifically ask for the badge number. If true, this would not be good news for an undercover female officer posing as an SW, for example.
Like I said, I don't know if what she said is true, but Ashleigh said it with a lot of conviction and complete belief. She was very convincing. Any thoughts?
May the new year bring you lots of happy ladies playing in your lap. May you be their Santa. Stay safe and happy.
Great report, Gameon!
While driving to WP with Denise, I asked her if she knew Melissa and what she knew about her death. She said she knew, liked, and missed Melissa as she was always nice to her and helped her because she was new to the stroll.
She said she heard that Melissa was beaten and left for dead. The day before Melissa was killed a guy told her Melissa was hiding out because she owed money to so many people. Denise figures Melissa was beaten by one of her creditors.
I tend to believe this account because it is a typical scenario in the hood. As a girl's drug habit gets more and more out of control, they end up either borrowing money to buy drugs or getting the drugs on credit from a dealer. Either way, they are in a lot of trouble if they don't pay up promptly. But the next time they earn some money, they use it to buy more drugs instead of paying the debt. Or they borrow from someone else to try to pay the first guy but then end up using that money for drugs too. Now they are in deep shit. They go into hiding so now they can't work the stroll to make the money to pay their debt. The only logical thing to do at this point is get the hell out of the hood and go back home, but they won't leave the hood because that's where the drugs are. At this point it's only a matter of time till they end up severely beaten or dead.
Please understand, I'm not trying to justify what happened to Melissa. It was a terrible thing. I'm just saying it is inevitable once a drug habit gets completely out of control. I've known Melissa for almost three years and in that time I've seen her go down hill slowly but steadily. She would make occasional attempts to improve her situation and get away from the worst of it, but she would never make a clean break and it would never last. It's really a shame because she was an intelligent person with abilities and potential. She always said she loved the street lifestyle but in the end it got the better of her. RIP.
I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas or a Happy Hanukkah. And a very special Kwanzaa to our Black friends, some of whom celebrate that along with Christmas/Hanukkah.
As Tom Thumb once said, "God bless us all, everyone!" :)
I just wanted to add a few more things about Ashleigh. She said she used to be a dancer at a strip club. I think she said Hollywood.
She also said something incredibly interesting. I don't know if it's accurate, though. According to her, if you ask an undercover cop for his badge number, he must tell you. Don't ask him if he's a cop because we all know he can lie to that question and just say no, but according to Ashleigh, the cop must tell you his/her badge number if you specifically ask for the badge number. If true, this would not be good news for an undercover female officer posing as an SW, for example.
Like I said, I don't know if what she said is true, but Ashleigh said it with a lot of conviction and complete belief. She was very convincing. Any thoughts?
May the new year bring you lots of happy ladies playing in your lap. May you be their Santa. Stay safe and happy.
Great report, Gameon! Allow me to say something here, an undercover cop, is no more required to give up ANY info than you or I are, he will lie, cheat and do anything he can to make you believe he, or she for that matter, that he is a normal joe just like you and me, never believe anything these girls tell you, and never asuume an undercover agaent is going to or is required to tell you that is what he is.
It would defeat the purpose of being undercover
Thank you, be safe.
Welcome back, Tommy Boy. It's great to hear from you again!
And thanks very much for the update on Melissa.
I don't care if she owed money to a dealer or not. If a dealer killed her, I know we all agree that he has to go to jail for a long, long time. I hope the police are working on this. Thanks again, Tommy.
MyBudFang, it looks like you're a truck driver. That's great to have a trucker posting to our boards! You've probably been all around the country, and have seen countless strip clubs and street walker districts.
If I may ask, how would you rate our Metro East strip clubs and Street Walker areas compared to all the others in the country.
Keep on truckin', my friend! :)
Stay safe.
Hos Cuisine
01-04-08, 18:21
From a mongerer's perspective, a lawyer said that this works:
Ask them to do something legal but that an undercover would not want to do. For example adult modelling, undergarment modelling, etc..
Do not even indicate that something else may occur.
A working girl would be up for earning that easy (and legal) money, a cop is not interested in getting naked in the first place. So, if that goes through (they get in the car, strip at your meeting spot, etc) you should be safe to move to the next level.
Never used it but, given the source, I might have to consider it.
The main question is how do you verify (collect evidence of) the fact that this is all you have requested.
KC Questor
01-05-08, 01:38
NJL,
I've used that plan a few times, whenever I am not 100% sure. I ask the girl if she is willing to model for me, or something legal like let me watch her take a shower. The girls never had a problem when I later said I wanted to upgrade my service.
Ilguy 1968
01-05-08, 05:46
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The main question is how do you verify (collect evidence of) the fact that this is all you have requested.I would imagine common "sting" operations at least audio if not video tape the matter. If not, it might not be a bad idea to hit the voice record buttion on that cell phone or mp3 player you probably have nearby at most times. Heck, select "movie" on the digicam and record it all. Just have cam hidden, such as on the shelf above the back seat, lens pointed stright up or down. Remember, it's the audio you are hoping to get, right?
From a mongerer's perspective, a lawyer said that this works:
Ask them to do something legal but that an undercover would not want to do. For example adult modelling, undergarment modelling, etc..
Do not even indicate that something else may occur.
A working girl would be up for earning that easy (and legal) money, a cop is not interested in getting naked in the first place. So, if that goes through (they get in the car, strip at your meeting spot, etc) you should be safe to move to the next level.
Never used it but, given the source, I might have to consider it.
The main question is how do you verify (collect evidence of) the fact that this is all you have requested.
You are correct in saying this, but a little paranoid. A cop is not going to get in your car. There is to much liability to the department if they were to get in. For example, who is to say you would not take off at a high rate of speed and get into a wreck. Let alone have a hidden weapon. Once they are in the car, our natural instinct is to still worry that they may be LE but that should not be the case. I worry more about her boyfriend following me to attempt a robbery than anything else after they have entered my vehicle.
MyBudFang, it looks like you're a truck driver. That's great to have a trucker posting to our boards! You've probably been all around the country, and have seen countless strip clubs and street walker districts.
If I may ask, how would you rate our Metro East strip clubs and Street Walker areas compared to all the others in the country.
Keep on truckin', my friend! :)
Stay safe.
Ditto to what Rosco said, however I would also like to ad a query, for any of those hidden truck stop gems in the St Louis area. Perhaps not even the Huge truck stop locations, but some of the smaller ones that can have activity
For example, there's a mini stop area in Grantie City ( Rt 3/ 270) Hardees on other side, but the side by the Hotel/massage parlor, etc....
LE is crazy shit all over the Hardees area, but There used to be some activity at that small truckers area, that kind of thing
You guys always know the good stuff, lol
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AnD tommy, bringing the A game in posts today, well done.
Yeah, I had seen Melissa before Rosco's post, or else I would have closed the deal back then. When she quoted $100 (she was outside the car) I didn't even prursue, as that was so much over the going rate, I assumed she wouldn't come down $ without a struggle
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As for the undercover posting/ ID badge; think about this part. No way and undercover gives out his badge# to a deep undercover drug deal. There would be ZERO busts if that were true; just ask everyone there before any drug interaction.
A little touchy-feely should give you all the vibe you need. Again, not 100% fool proof, as some girls don't want you touching something for free,etc.. However, if they jump back, tense up, or don't reciprocate , that is MAJOR alarm bell time. If you mention something about a cop check, and exchange a little tit squeeze, ass rub.. cock pull for her perhaps, then it's on.
As long as you don't paw the shit out of her, lol, you should get the feedback/vibe you need.
I liked the pho/modeling idea, just wondering about the upgrade cost involved, or not wanting them to get into upgrade mindest, lol
Happy Hunting
Do U Wanna
01-06-08, 00:29
"Ask them to do something legal but that an undercover would not want to do. For example adult modelling, undergarment modelling, etc. "
ACTUALLY, I hate to disagree with you. BUT, in certain circumstances, that can be a much bigger crime than mongering. If you claim to be a photographer, talent scout etc. And your not one, you can end up doing prison time. Their have been many cases of guys running ads in the paper, adult model wanted, but they have no business licence, are not bonded and insured, are using a place not zoned for such activity etc. Real models have been sucked in by common everyday pervs and filed complaints, and the charges stuck. If you go and try and outfox an undercover like that, it just might piss them off enough to push those same types of charges on you, and you end up worse off than if you simply received a solicitation charage.
Again, every locality is going to be different, state to state, county to county, city to city.
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AnD tommy, bringing the A game in posts today, well done.
Yeah, I had seen Melissa before Rosco's post, or else I would have closed the deal back then. When she quoted $100 (she was outside the car) I didn't even prursue, as that was so much over the going rate, I assumed she wouldn't come down $ without a struggle
A little touchy-feely should give you all the vibe you need. Again, not 100% fool proof, as some girls don't want you touching something for free,etc.. However, if they jump back, tense up, or don't reciprocate , that is MAJOR alarm bell time. If you mention something about a cop check, and exchange a little tit squeeze, ass rub.. cock pull for her perhaps, then it's on.
My understanding is that the generally accepted price for motel dates on here is around $50.
Maybe I just look like a pushover, easy mark, or mr. moneybags but I'd say probably 90% of the girls I've picked up on the E. St. Louis stroll have quoted $100 for a motel date. Maybe they all got together one day and decided on that amount, lol. But its all negotiable. I don't think any of the girls are offended by that and probably most don't expect to actually get that amount. Actual expenses incurred have ranged from 40 to 120. The higher end includes tipping for more than normal services such as extended time, more than 2 pops, and some other stuff.
I think the standard cop check and getting her in the car and away from the stroll area asap are the two best methods to avoid stings. Whatever you do don't talk business outside of the car! A decoy won't get in the car and she darn sure won't leave the immediate area. All the other ideas about modeling or taping stuff just complicates things. Keep it simple. Also be aware of the surroundings, if the locals aren't out something is up.
All the girls I've picked up have been quite willing to let me feel them up. There has only been a couple that I've asked to return the favor to make sure of them. The rest I was comfortable with because I had seen them around before or read about them here.
The weather is so nice today, unseasonably warm (72 degrees in January, just like what happened last January). Shucks, I sure would like to be in St. Louis right now. On the East Side, there must be street walkers all over the place. Of course, the killers will be out too, so be careful ;-)
Are there any SW in the area around the bookstore in Brooklyn?
I don't mean in the Exchange : Old Collinsville Road area. I am asking about the area a couple of miles away. There is a bookstore and a few clubs in the area. I have driven by a couple of times but never see anyone out.
Thanks for the help.
Mister Quick
01-07-08, 10:35
I think the standard cop check and getting her in the car and away from the stroll area asap are the two best methods to avoid stings. Whatever you do don't talk business outside of the car! A decoy won't get in the car and she darn sure won't leave the immediate area. All the other ideas about modeling or taping stuff just complicates things. Keep it simple. Also be aware of the surroundings, if the locals aren't out something is up.
All the girls I've picked up have been quite willing to let me feel them up. There has only been a couple that I've asked to return the favor to make sure of them. The rest I was comfortable with because I had seen them around before or read about them here.This only works if the non cop is not as dumb as shit. I saw an old episode of Cops last night. Was in the Chicago area. The undercover cop picks up the SW, she gets in his car. This is all on video, dialog goes soemthing like this:
SW: Are't you officer Roy who busted me last year.
Cop: No I aint no cop.
SW: i am sure I know you. Are you Bob from Schaumberg?
Cop: yeah Im Bob.
SW: Cool I don't want to get busted again. I need $20 for rent.
Cop: What do I get for that?
SW: I'll give you a a "censored"
The Cop pulls over and the units follwong the car turn on their red and whites and she surprisingl gets busted.
Are there any SW in the area around the bookstore in Brooklyn?
I don't mean in the Exchange : Old Collinsville Road area. I am asking about the area a couple of miles away. There is a bookstore and a few clubs in the area. I have driven by a couple of times but never see anyone out.
Thanks for the help.
You're actually talking about Brooklyn; the stroll area we usually talk about - Exchange & 9th/Collinsville Rd - is in E. St. Louis. At some point Jackson needs to rethink how he has things titled and arranged on this site. Back in the day when Jackson started the forum, Brooklyn was a very active place. You had the clubs, girls strolling around the clubs, and girls strolling up and down Route 3. Now the action is pretty much limited to Exchange & CR in East St. Louis.
Every once in awhile you'll see a girl in Brooklyn. There was a report awhile back about a wsw from Brooklyn but I've not had any luck finding her. The last time I was at PT's Brooklyn, I saw a bsw right by the bookstore.
I wonder if the reopening of the McKinley Bridge will spur a resurgence of activity in Brooklyn. VCG the parent company of PT's reported that the closing of the bridge cut business at Platinum Club (now PT's Brooklyn) and Roxy's and is hoping that the reopening will bring people back.
Are there any SW in the area around the bookstore in Brooklyn?
I don't mean in the Exchange : Old Collinsville Road area. I am asking about the area a couple of miles away. There is a bookstore and a few clubs in the area. I have driven by a couple of times but never see anyone out.
Thanks for the help.I haven't been out in a long time now but back in the day would sometimes see girls walking along route 3 between ESL & Venice at night. Picked up a couple sweet part timers in that area, one before and one after Brooklyn. Never did find anything in Brooklyn itself, but never looked too hard in town either. It may be worth your while to drive from the hood to Venice and back when you're in the area.
I've seen sw's on a regular basis on the block surrounding roxys quality is usually pretty low. The girls also seem yo visit the bookstore area. This has usually been on
Fri. or Sat nights late.
MyBudFang, it looks like you're a truck driver. That's great to have a trucker posting to our boards! You've probably been all around the country, and have seen countless strip clubs and street walker districts.
If I may ask, how would you rate our Metro East strip clubs and Street Walker areas compared to all the others in the country.
Keep on truckin', my friend! :)
Stay safe.Yes, I have seen a lot, but not everything.
It seems to me that every city has the same problems, but chose to deal with them differently.
Most SW are drug addicts that need a fix ona daily basis, the trick is to find one that isn't strung out.
As fart as strip clubs are concerened, each state has diff regs on this, I can get a lot of milage from some of the smaller clubs in texas. Check out el paso, lots of fun there. So be cool guys,
A ***** will rip you off and stab you in the back to save her neck, so be careful.
Mister Quick
01-08-08, 10:50
You're actually talking about Brooklyn; the stroll area we usually talk about - Exchange & 9th/Collinsville Rd - is in E. St. Louis. At some point Jackson needs to rethink how he has things titled and arranged on this site. Back in the day when Jackson started the forum, Brooklyn was a very active place. You had the clubs, girls strolling around the clubs, and girls strolling up and down Route 3. Now the action is pretty much limited to Exchange & CR in East St. Louis.I figured it would be better if there was just one section for all of the St Louis suburbs in IL. The MO side of the river only gets ones section.
KC Questor
01-09-08, 02:11
I figured it would be better if there was just one section for all of the St Louis suburbs in IL. The MO side of the river only gets ones section.
I have to agree with Jannisary and Mister Quick. Those of us who post here tend to put streetwalker reports under Brooklyn and strip club reports under Washington Park. In reality, most of teh SW pickups are in ESL, while both Brooklyn and WP have strip clubs (as do Sauget, ESL, Centreville, and others).
I'd prefer to see a "St Louis Metro East" forum, with separate threads for Strip Clubs, Streetwalkers, and Craigslist -- like most other metro areas have.
Country Boy #3
01-14-08, 01:40
I had a great private dance at Roxy's over the weekend. This is the second day girl to give me full service in the booths in the last three months.
The streets were completely dead. I really thought the sunshine, and temps in the mid 50's, would bring the girls out. All I seen was a 3 or 4 BSW. Nothing above a 3.
I did notice a couple sheriff's cars cruising Brooklyn, and 9th. I don't ever remember seeing them in the area before.
Raymondgarciao
01-15-08, 23:34
Just submitting a Review,
Saw Brea on Eros-Guide, well worth it, she got really into it.
Ray.
Alex P Keaton
01-15-08, 23:52
I had a great private dance at Roxy's over the weekend. This is the second day girl to give me full service in the booths in the last three months.
Don't tease, name names. I'll name one: Rain.
Don't tease, name names. I'll name one: Rain.
Alex, good buddy, do you think it's wise to name the ladies who provide us with full service or other extras at the strip clubs?
I know I have named a few strippers who have given extras, but I've stopped doing so, because of the possible trouble the strippers can get into. It's not legal, after all.
It's probably best to keep some things back-channel, through private messages, don't you think?
I drove down Collinsville Rd around 9pm and saw a SW, near Club Rio, who I thought was Crystal. She turned out to be someone I didn't know and I kept driving. I found Shannon at the Wash Rack and picked her up for a quick date. There were other SW's near the Wash Rack but I couldn't get a good look at them in the dark.
Shannon says that Jennifer's boyfriend has been beating her a lot lately. Shannon said Cheese pistol whipped Jennifer and busted her nose in the process. She is afraid that this guy will eventually kill Jennifer someday.
Alex, do you think it's wise to name the ladies who provide us with full service or other extras at the strip clubs?
I know I have named a few strippers who have given extras, but I've stopped doing so, because of the possible trouble the strippers can get into. It's not legal, after all.
It's probably best to keep some things back-channel, through private messages, don't you think?I don't even like getting into specifics like what club. And definitely not names. One thing I learned about LE a long time ago: they mostly know what's up. They know exactly where the drug dealers are, and they know what a car is doing on such and such a road at such and such a time. Do you really think that we're smarter than a trained full-time professional who works at it full time?
Not getting busted mostly depends on LE's caseload and the orders of the day. You try to make them look dumb and they'll move in. You call too much attention to one area and they'll come down. And they will pit con against con efficiently when need be.
This only works if the non cop is not as dumb as shit. I saw an old episode of Cops last night. Was in the Chicago area. The undercover cop picks up the SW, she gets in his car. This is all on video, dialog goes soemthing like this:
SW: Are't you officer Roy who busted me last year.
Cop: No I aint no cop.
SW: i am sure I know you. Are you Bob from Schaumberg?
Cop: yeah Im Bob.
SW: Cool I don't want to get busted again. I need $20 for rent.
Cop: What do I get for that?
SW: I'll give you a a "censored"
The Cop pulls over and the units follwong the car turn on their red and whites and she surprisingl gets busted.Yeah, any lawyer and any cop will tell you that the police aren't obligated to tell you who they are. It is unbelievable that people think a cop is going to tell you if he is a cop. They have scenes on cops all the time where people ask and then get busted two minutes later.
Just submitting a Review,
Saw Brea on Eros-Guide, well worth it, she got really into it.
Ray.
Raymond, it's great to have you back. I think I remember you from the old CLreviiewBoard. One of the last posts I remember you writing was about the police arresting you for hobbying.
I'm glad to see you're okay now. How have you been? Would you mind telling us about the hobby arrest?
Stay well and safe, Raymond.
Just submitting a Review,
Saw Brea on Eros-Guide, well worth it, she got really into it.
Ray.I think you mean Bre? She is an African American woman with curly hair?
Check out this map showing the locations where people were found murdered in East St. Louis during 2007.
If you click the flags on the map, a little pop-up balloon appears describing the murder. A number of murders happened while the victims were seated *inside* their cars. Even the boat isn't perfect protection.
The map only shows East St. Louis murders, so don't be fooled into thinking Washington Park, Brooklyn, and Centreville are safe simply because no flags on the map appear there.
I don't know how long the map will remain on the BND page (probably not long), but here is the link:
http://www.bnd.com/news/crime/index.html
Depending on your connection speed, you may need to wait 5 or 10 seconds until the map loads at the bottom of the page. - Rosco
It's too bad that the traffic camera at Illinois Route 3 (St. Clair Avenue) and 8th Street doesn't seem to be working. We might be able to get a view of some live street action. That camera must be really close to the Discreet Hotel.
If you want to get live traffic views of other highways and major roads, check out KSDK.com's TrafficLink page at this URL:
http://www.ksdk.com/travel/traffic/default.aspx#
It's pretty neat.
But twice now on 2 different days that I've tried, the IL 3 at 8th Street camera hasn't been working.
Scroll down to the bottom of the page to see the list of live cameras. - Rosco
Rosco,
The lesson here is that a guy shouldn't sit on the street long or he increases his chance of getting popped! If a girl takes too long to get in or out of my car, I start rolling ASAP.
Check out this map showing the locations where people were found murdered in East St. Louis during 2007.
If you click the flags on the map, a little pop-up balloon appears describing the murder. A number of murders happened while the victims were seated *inside* their cars. Even the boat isn't perfect protection.
The map only shows East St. Louis murders, so don't be fooled into thinking Washington Park, Brooklyn, and Centreville are safe simply because no flags on the map appear there.
I don't know how long the map will remain on the BND page (probably not long), but here is the link:
http://www.bnd.com/news/crime/index.html
Depending on your connection speed, you may need to wait 5 or 10 seconds until the map loads at the bottom of the page.
I had a great private dance at Roxy's over the weekend. This is the second day girl to give me full service in the booths in the last three months.
The streets were completely dead. I really thought the sunshine, and temps in the mid 50's, would bring the girls out. All I seen was a 3 or 4 BSW. Nothing above a 3.
I did notice a couple sheriff's cars cruising Brooklyn, and 9th. I don't ever remember seeing them in the area before.Hey Country Boy,
Is there any way you can tell us what shit it was when you went to Roxy's? I can't imagine that you got FS during the night shift on a weekend.
Also, how much do it cost?
Country Boy #3
01-19-08, 19:07
Hey Country Boy,
Is there any way you can tell us what shit it was when you went to Roxy's? I can't imagine that you got FS during the night shift on a weekend.
Also, how much do it cost?
I have no idea what your asking. If your asking who the girl was, I'm not going to give her name out on the open forum. I will say I give her $100.
I have no idea what your asking. If your asking who the girl was, I'm not going to give her name out on the open forum. I will say I give her $100.I meant "shift" not "shit". It was a typo. During what shift are you getting the extras?
Daedelus used the word "shit" when addressing Country Boy #3.
Hey fellas, let's try to maintain some decorum in here, and not use cuss words like sh*t when talking to each other. Everybody is welcome here, whether we're Christian or Jew, white or black, atheist, Muslim, or Hindu, etc.
This isn't like that old SWreviewBoarrd.com, where religious friction and racial strife ran rampant. This is a classy, quality board. Everyone is welcome. So let's try to keep it nice and friendly with each other :-)
Daedelus used the word "shit" when addressing Country Boy #3.
Hey fellas, let's try to maintain some decorum in here, and not use cuss words like sh*t when talking to each other. Everybody is welcome here, whether we're Christian or Jew, white or black, atheist, Muslim, or Hindu, etc.
This isn't like that old SWreviewBoarrd.com, where religious friction and racial strife ran rampant. This is a classy, quality board. Everyone is welcome. So let's try to keep it nice and friendly with each other :-)Why are you always trying to be the Hall Monitor? This guy swears that Jackson died and put him in charge.
The "shit" was a typo. I meant to write shift. Goodness.
My guess is Daedelus meant to ask what SHIFT the activities occurred, lol.
Country Boy #3
01-20-08, 02:29
Day shift.
Why are you always trying to be the Hall Monitor? This guy swears that Jackson died and put him in charge.
The "shit" was a typo. I meant to write shift. Goodness.
Well, I'm glad we got that cleared up. I'm not trying to be the hall monitor as you said. I just remember all the conflict that existed at that old SWreviewBoarrd.com . And no one wants to see that repeated here.
Jackson does a super job, unlike the owner of that old SWreviewBoarrd.com. That fella could have learned a lot from the way Jackson runs this board. We're lucky to have him.
Congratulations, Daedelus, with one more post, you will become a senior member :-)
No hard feelings, I hope :-)
GrayTurner
01-20-08, 13:20
I'm not trying to be "the hall monitor" as you said. :-)
If it looks like a duck,
If it walks like a duck,
If it quacks like a duck....
If it looks like a duck,
If it walks like a duck,
If it quacks like a duck....
Now, Gray, you need a hall monitor [Lol]
Well, I'm glad we got that cleared up. I'm not trying to be the hall monitor as you said. I just remember all the conflict that existed at that old SWreviewBoarrd.com . And no one wants to see that repeated here.
Jackson does a super job, unlike the owner of that old SWreviewBoarrd.com. That fella could have learned a lot from the way Jackson runs this board. We're lucky to have him.
Congratulations, Daedelus, with one more post, you will become a senior member :-)
No hard feelings, I hope :-)
Nah no hard feelings man. And I finally made it to senior membership!
Nah no hard feelings man. And I finally made it to senior membership! =====
Daedelus, I'm glad there's no hard feelings. I emailed you the name of a stripper at Roxy's who gave me some sweet extras last month :-)
A driveby on CR and Exchange this afternoon.
I saw one early-twenties WSW that looked pretty cute. Brown hair. If she had looked a bit cleaner, i might have stopped.i guess i can't blame her... It's hard to look sexy when it is 20F outside!!
Jennifer was out again (yelling my name as i drove by! WHY did i ever tell her my name?!) I've seen her out a couple of times over the last month. The black eye has nearly faded away.
I really enjoyed her a few times last spring/fall but she has gone waaaaaaay downhill: both in appearance, erraticness and b**tching. I avoid her now.
Stay safe... One le trolling thru Brooklyn proper.
Here's a funny story I heard:
Drove around the Brooklyn clubs today around 3:30pm. Saw two SWs. One W & one B. The W one looked better to me so I circled around until they split up and then rolled by the WSW and asked if she needed a ride. To my surprise, she did. Said she needed to go over to the store.
As we drove over there she said her name was Slim. Slim she was with long dirty blonde hair. She wanted .40 for a BBJ. I told her I had .30 and then she said ok. We continued to drive past the store and back across the tracks to the east of Brooklyn.
Once I paid her, she completed the transaction nicely from the passenger seat of my car. Afterwards, she counted the money I gave her and said I was .05 short and showed me .25. I knew for sure I gave her .30 but didn't want to have a discussion about it so I gave her the .05.
Drove her back to the store and dropped her off. She asked that I come find her again.
Country Boy #3
01-21-08, 02:45
It's nice to her she is back in town. This is the first report I've seen on her for awile. She was fun when I saw her.
Hopefully, when time allows, I'll be able to get together with her for a longer time.
Since the weather was so nice this afternoon, I thought there might be some sites to take in so I went for a drive through Brooklyn right around 5pm. Nothin'. Zilch. Nada. Zero.
When is a good time to find some action around there?
Country Boy #3
01-28-08, 02:17
There were at least two Fairmont city Dodge chargers patroling Exchage, 9th st., and the wash rack hot and heavy Saturday night. Since when do they have jurisdiction this far west. I thought this was in E. St. Louis. Needless to say, there were no girls out. I saw one around 10pm just north of club 64.
Maybe they were looking for dates! LOL
I read somewhere that a police officer can pursue a suspect who flees his district to a nearby district. Plus they could be reporting what they see to East Louis PD and other agency's. They may not be able to arrest you but they can still see and take notes!
By the way I saw a lot of LE activity Saturday morning on Collinsville Rd near Lake Ave. I saw one car get pulled over. On Sunday, I almost got caught dropping off Ashley a.ka. Shorty A on Exchange near Jennifer's house. It was an Illinois State Trooper!
There were at least two Fairmont city Dodge chargers patroling Exchage, 9th st., and the wash rack hot and heavy Saturday night. Since when do they have jurisdiction this far west. I thought this was in E. St. Louis. Needless to say, there were no girls out. I saw one around 10pm just north of club 64.
Speaking of the sweet Jennifer, I saw her on Wednesday afternoon by the railroad tracks that cross Exchange Avenue. This Jennifer is *not* to be confused with the steak knife Jennifer. The sweet Jennifer has olive skin and the lightest brown eyes I've ever seen. Her eyes almost glow or radiate. I've never seen eyes like hers before. She has a soft, sweet voice, too--very soothing.
I haven't seen the steak knife Jennifer anywhere in months; just saw her that one time in the summer. (You'll recall she threatened to scratch my car with the knife if I didn't give her the 5 dollars showing in my hand.)
Jannisary, you once reported that a Jennifer had jumped out of a moving car just before the car entered the highway because she was freaked out by the driver who picked her up. You said Jennifer's leg was injured when the car ran over her lower leg, ankle, and foot, embedding tire rubber. Were you talking about Steak Knife Jennifer or Sweet Olive Jennifer?
Olive Jennifer is slightly more HWP (height-weight proportional) than steak knife Jennifer.
One thing that concerned me when I spoke with sweet Jennifer on Wednesday was the injury on the bridge of her nose. She has a noticeable cut there that is closing up and healing, but may need a couple stitches. Who could have given her that?
When I turned northward from Exchange onto the first street after the tracks, I saw two black men lifting weights outdoors in the backyard of that house. Those guys are dedicated! I lift weights, too, but not outside in windy, frigid, 30-degree temperatures! I guess the weight bench they were using wouldn't fit comfortably inside the house. - Rosco
Winddance1
01-28-08, 11:38
Maybe they were looking for dates! LOL
I read somewhere that a police officer can pursue a suspect who flees his district to a nearby district. Plus they could be reporting what they see to East Louis PD and other agency's. They may not be able to arrest you but they can still see and take notes!
By the way I saw a lot of LE activity Saturday morning on Collinsville Rd near Lake Ave. I saw one car get pulled over. On Sunday, I almost got caught dropping off Ashley a.ka. Shorty A on Exchange near Jennifer's house. It was an Illinois State Trooper!
Actually LE can pursue you even into another state if he see's you breaking the law. Had a city cop from il write me a ticket in mo after chasing me across the river, said i was speeding.
E. St. Louis LE is a bit different from any other part of the state. After a particularly nasty couple of car Hi-jackings back in the 80's, the Illinois State Police took on a much bigger role in day to day LE activity. Depending on the situation and the budgetry status of the E. St. Louis city govt. , the ISP may be providing nearly all of the citiy's active police force. There may also be agreements in place fom time to time involving help from other local forces.
This is a much different LE role than is normal for ISP. They are primarily an interstate hiway traffic enforcement agency, with special elite squads handling drug enforcement, crime scene tech, special crimes, etc. Needless to say, street duty in E. St. L. Is not regarded as a plum assignment. It's probably used as a punishment detail, so keep in mind that most of these guys are starting with a rotten attitude and act accordingly.
The locals are a different deal entirely. All of them can safely be regarded as on the take. Some are involved in some fairly heavy shit drugwise. If you get hassled by them, they are probably more interested in shaking you down than anything else, but there are exceptions, so act cautiously.
JBB
Actually LE can pursue you even into another state if he see's you breaking the law. Had a city cop from il write me a ticket in mo after chasing me across the river, said i was speeding.
They may have been picking up or dropping off paperwork to another department or returning from transporting a prisoner to the county jail. It is possible that they may be contracted to help other cities as well. There can be a number of reasons, but the point is they could still stop you. They would have to get permission (quick ask on the radio will suffice) and then they can stop you. As long as the jurisdiction they are in ok's it, the stop is legal. Just something to keep in mind.
Some municipalities have formal mutual aid agreements, intergovernmental contracts approved by each city council that allow them to patrol in each other's jurisdiction. Others cities do it on a more informal basis. My understanding is that Fairmont police assistance has been requested by ESL to help patrol the city. Not sure if this was actually done with a formal contract or a more informal agreement but either way they have all the jurisdiction and authority they need to bust our asses. Frankly if I was a citizen of Fairmont I wouldn't be very happy with this situation. Basically they (Fairmont taxpayers) are subsidizing the operations of ESL by doing the patrols. Plus those patrols are increasing the liability exposure of the Fairmont officers, using more fuel, increasing the wear on their shiny new cars and generally increasing operational expenses for the city of Fairmont. And of course time spent on the ESL stroll is time not spent patrolling the town that pays their salary. So if you know anybody who lives in Fairmont encourage them to complain to their town board, lol.
On one of my last visits I happened across a Fairmont officer at the corner of 1st and Exchange. I was on First and there really wasn't anything I could really do but make sure to come to a complete stop at the corner. He turned onto First and I turned onto Exchange but I knew better than to think he wasn't going to turn around and follow me. He must have waited a little bit before coming after me but I saw headlights back there and knew it was him. Turned onto the interstate and got out of there.
Rosco, I was referring to "sweet Jennifer" in my reports. Most of the time she is a sweet gal. The injury to her nose was a result of being hit by her "boyfriend". You should have seen her face a couple weeks ago. To call it an abusive relationship would be an understatement.
Some municipalities have formal mutual aid agreements, intergovernmental contracts approved by each city council that allow them to patrol in each other's jurisdiction. Others cities do it on a more informal basis. My understanding is that Fairmont police assistance has been requested by ESL to help patrol the city. Not sure if this was actually done with a formal contract or a more informal agreement but either way they have all the jurisdiction and authority they need to bust our asses. Frankly if I was a citizen of Fairmont I wouldn't be very happy with this situation. Basically they (Fairmont taxpayers) are subsidizing the operations of ESL by doing the patrols. Plus those patrols are increasing the liability exposure of the Fairmont officers, using more fuel, increasing the wear on their shiny new cars and generally increasing operational expenses for the city of Fairmont. And of course time spent on the ESL stroll is time not spent patrolling the town that pays their salary. So if you know anybody who lives in Fairmont encourage them to complain to their town board, LOL.
On one of my last visits I happened across a Fairmont officer at the corner of 1st and Exchange. I was on First and there really wasn't anything I could really do but make sure to come to a complete stop at the corner. He turned onto First and I turned onto Exchange but I knew better than to think he wasn't going to turn around and follow me. He must have waited a little bit before coming after me but I saw headlights back there and knew it was him. Turned onto the interstate and got out of there.
Rosco, I was referring to "sweet Jennifer" in my reports. Most of the time she is a sweet gal. The injury to her nose was a result of being hit by her "boyfriend". You should have seen her face a couple weeks ago. To call it an abusive relationship would be an understatement. Perhaps I can lend some expert awareness to the above mentioned information. I worked in E. St. Louis as a Paramedic for a very long time. It wasn't then and I believe it's still not a practice for Fairmont City to patrol "any" part of E. St. Louis. I have been on many many many auto accidents and henious crimes that border both cities and even then, one city was always cautious about crossing any boundaries with their enforcement authority. With anything just inside the city limits of E. St. Louis from Fairmont City, the Fairmont coppers wouldn't provide ant assistance as it was not their jurisdiction. I called an attorney in Belleville who does criminal courts and knows several judges. He stated that thjose boundaries are set for a reason and those agencies WILL assist in the apprehension of a felon or a possible police involved shooting, but that's about it.
Monger with care, but if you see an office, pay your respect as always and you'll not be harassed. Hopefully!
Be careful out there.
Yes, the damage was caused by Jennifer's boyfriend also known as "Cheese"
His mug shot is still on the IDOC website at:
http://www.idoc.state.il.us/subsections/search/default.asp
Just type in IDOC# N76117 to get his pictures and bio.
Rosco, I was referring to "sweet Jennifer" in my reports. Most of the time she is a sweet gal. The injury to her nose was a result of being hit by her "boyfriend". You should have seen her face a couple weeks ago. To call it an abusive relationship would be an understatement.
At 2 PM on Thursday, I picked up lovely 22-year-old Kendra on 11th or 14th Streets (I've forgotten which) in East St. Louis. I know it wasn't 13th Street because that all-brick, very uneven street is horrible to drive on. I never go down it anymore.
Kendra has a very pretty face, cute short hair style, is brunette, white, and has plump full lips. This chick's got it going on. Very sweet lady, too. I enjoyed talking with her. The only bad part is I saw how dirty her hands were. I don't know what she was handling, but the top of her right hand was smudged with dirt, like you might expect to see on a 5-year-old's hands. Odd. I felt uncomfortable when she held onto my car door's arm rest. How's she gonna do business walkin' around with dirty hands like that?
Her mouth looked clean other than for her teeth that were browning a bit from the top to 3/4-way down each tooth (meth sign? Or cigarettes?). I decided to play it conservatively; you know how careful I am with my weiner. So I paid her $12 just to park somewhere and play with her chest for a few minutes. I love ladies' chests.
She picked a good parking spot for us that was private. I kept the car running just in case of an ambush. I felt I could trust her (she's very nice), but it's always good to be extra safe.
When she lifted her shirt, I saw that her breasts were not as good as I would have expected for a cute girl like her and only 22. They were kind of deflated. But she does have very, very big nipples. No deflation in the nipples at all.
I also loved her nose, very cute nose. She doesn't have a phone number, but she asked me to drive her to the house where she's been staying for the last 2 months, since November.
I asked her, "If I want to get a hold of you next time I'm in town, can I knock on the door of that house?" Her eyes popped out at me. No, don't ever knock on that door, she said, because her god-brother would strangle her and hang her by her toes!! [GULP] I couldn't help but think she was talking about me--that her mean god-brother would try to hang me by my toes if I ever knocked at that door [chuckle]. She was warning me to be careful--never knock on that house's door, and I appreciated her for it.
Suffice to say, I ain't gonna be knockin' on that door. The house, by the way, is the first house on the north side of Nectar just west of the Nectar and 15th Street intersection. ***Don't Ever Knock on that door unless you want to be strangled and hung by your toes [LOL] ***
You can thank Kendra for the warning.
The house also had a strong-looking dog chained outside. The dog had brown hair and looked like it could be a tough customer if it wanted to be. Didn't bark a bit, just looked at ya. Very well-disciplined dog (the scariest kind). Don't ever knock on that door.... :) -Rosco
Perhaps I can lend some expert awareness to the above mentioned information. .....It wasn't then and I believe it's still not a practice for Fairmont City to patrol "any" part of E. St. Louis.
Nukmed, I don't want to start an argument but in this case you are absolutely wrong. Fairmont cops are regularly patrolling the stroll area. I've seen them with my own two eyes on several different occasions and have talked to several gals who've had run-ins with them - in East Saint Louis. One girl has been ticketed twice for stupid stuff by Fairmont officers who were in ESL. Things have definitely changed since your days there as a paramedic.
Earlier in the day on Thursday before I picked up Kendra, I picked up Dakota. Dakota was walking on Forest Boulevard not too far away from the Blondie's and Dollies strip clubs. The time was roughly noonish.
This is not the same Dakota who walks in Brooklyn, who has been described as 5'9" with strawberry blonde hair. That Dakota's picture is in this thread (do a search for Dakota if you're interested in seeing the pic.)
The Dakota of Washington Park is shorter and a brunette. Twenty-something, thin, sweet personality, cute. I loved touching her sweet fingers and well-formed hand. Unfortunately, she was kinda dirty--worse than Kendra who I picked up later, so it was a no-go with Dakota this time. Dakota's jeans weren't very clean either. At least Kendra had clean-looking jeans, if not clean hands. I drove Dakota where she wanted to go, which was a residential street in Washington Park, gave her a fiver, and she exited the vehicle with no fuss or muss. Like I said, she has a sweet personality and is a nice young woman. Would definitely be worth doing if cleaner.
I'm sure she would have exited even without the $5, but I almost always give at least a little cash to any SW I talk to, even if I just talk to them through the window. The ladies are out there to earn a few bucks, after all.
Dakota, by the way, had not heard anything about 24-year-old Scott Odell/O'Dell*, who was murdered after a woman picked him up in a downtown St. Louis club. Scott's body was discovered in a ditch on Lincoln Avenue in Washington Park. (I drove by that ditch when I was in town--more on that in another post.) Dakota was shocked when I told her what had happened to Scott. If you recall, we had a discussion once about how SWs often don't know about shootings that happen in their own stroll areas. - Rosco
* Odell / O'Dell -- two online news sources spelled Scott's surname two different ways.
Since the demise of National City Fairmont has incorporated the wash rack area that is why you see them there. It is there jurisdiction now.
I drove past the Wash Rack about 10:00 Saturday night. I saw two Fairmont City cruisers parked across the street from the wash rack. There was a WSW in the dark just past where they were parked. I passed thru the area several times. On the last past they had moved. I saw the WSW still standing in the dark near the lumber company. I was concerned that she might be LE. I moved closer to get a better look. I was expecting the police lights and sirens to come on any minute. It turned out to be Shannon! I picked her up and drove her to a notel in Fairmont for a little fun.
By The Way, Shannon said that Jennifer's nose is still busted.
You would think there would be some way for LE to pick up her "boyfriend" for being abusive!
I drove past the Wash Rack about 10:00 Saturday night. I saw two Fairmont City cruisers parked across the street from the wash rack. There was a WSW in the dark just past where they were parked. I passed thru the area several times. On the last past they had moved. I saw the WSW still standing in the dark near the lumber company. I was concerned that she might be LE. I moved closer to get a better look. I was expecting the police lights and sirens to come on any minute. It turned out to be Shannon! I picked her up and drove her to a notel in Fairmont for a little fun.
By The Way, Shannon said that Jennifer's nose is still busted.
You would think there would be some way for LE to pick up her "boyfriend" for being abusive! =====
Yes, it's tragic that a lovely lady like Jennifer is beaten by her abusive boyfriend. She's a very pretty lady. If you've never seen Jennifer, she has a beautiful dark Jewish complexion. She's probably Sephardic. I hope she's able to break free of her abuser. One of you bigger fellas ought to talk to her boyfriend about treating her right ;-)
But remember, he's a weight lifter; I saw him weight lifting in the back yard :)
Fellas, this is awful news. A woman was found dead yesterday on the second floor balcony of the First Western in Fairmont. This is the motel next door to that Phillips 66 gas station and convenience store on Collinsville Road by Route 203.
Here's the story from BND.com
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Woman's body found on hotel balcony
BY RICKEENA J. RICHARDS, Belleville News-Democrat
FAIRMONT CITY --
The death of a 29-year-old woman who was found dead Sunday morning on a second floor balcony of a Fairmont City hotel is being investigated by the Major Case Squad of Greater St. Louis.
"At this point we are investigating the case as a homicide," said Maj. John Lakin, deputy commander and Madison County chief deputy sheriff.
The woman was identified as Kari Nina Polk by St. Clair County Coroner Rick Stone, who said she died of blunt trauma to the head.
Polk was pronounced dead at 4:15 a.m. Sunday after her body was found on a balcony at the First Western Inn at 1941 Collinsville Road, Stone said.
A permanent address for Polk has not been determined, Stone said.
Lakin said there were no suspects in custody, and that no additional information was being released at the time.
He said the Major Case Squad was activated about 6:30 a.m. Sunday after receiving a call from Fairmont City police about the discovery of the body. He said approximately 20 investigators are working on the case.
An autopsy was scheduled for 9 a.m. today.
Deputy Coroner Charles Rigney, who will be at the autopsy, said it could take from 10 to 12 days for investigators get any more information about Polk's death.
Lakin said the investigators are urging anyone with information, or anyone who may have seen anything at the hotel between midnight and 3 a.m. Sunday to call the Major Case Squad at 274-6306.
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Unlike the nearby Indian Mound Motel, this motel has dead bolts on the doors, but apparently they were of no consequence in the murder of this young lady. Does anyone know if she was a street walker? - Rosco
( http://www.bnd.com/homepage/story/246479.html )
Rosco,
There were a few posts last year about a SW named Nina. I don't know if it's the same person. If I remember correctly, this hotel has security cameras. Hopefully there is something on tape.
I always thought that this was probably one of the safer hotels in Fairmont. This is the sort of thing that I would have expected at the Royal Inn on 10th st.
Looks like the Major Case Squad is wasting no time, and working fast to nail the perp(s).
Here's the latest from BND.com , including the victim's full name:
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Persons of interest named in hotel homicide; woman's body found on balcony
FAIRMONT CITY --
The Major Case Squad of Greater St. Louis has identified three persons of interest in the investigation of a 29-year-old woman who was found dead Sunday morning on a second floor balcony of a Fairmont City hotel.
"(The investigation) is progressing favorably," said Maj. John Lakin, deputy commander of the Major Case Squad and Madison County chief deputy sheriff. "At this point, we're pleased with the way the investigation is going and the cooperation we're getting."
The Major Case Squad identified the woman as Karinina G. Polk. Lakin said her last known addresses were in Granite City and Swansea.
The three persons of interest are from the metro-east, but no additional information is being released about them at this time because of the ongoing investigation, Lakin said. They are not in custody.
An autopsy confirmed Monday that Polk died of blunt force trauma to the head.
Polk was pronounced dead at 4:15 a.m. Sunday after her body was found on a balcony at the First Western Inn at 1941 Collinsville Road, according to St. Clair County Coroner Rick Stone.
Lakin said someone who was staying at the hotel called the front desk to report a body lying outside a room. The Major Case Squad was activated about 6:30 a.m. Sunday after receiving a call from Fairmont City police about the discovery of Polk's body.
Lakin said investigators will re-evaluate all their information this afternoon to determine if they have enough to file charges against the persons of interest.
Investigators are encouraging anyone with information, or anyone who may have seen something at the hotel between midnight and 3 a.m. Sunday, to call the Major Case Squad at 274-6306. - Rosco
A street walker I won't identify told me an interesting story. She said she was harassed by a police officer who wanted to have a session of sex with her. This is the second street walker to tell me a story of sexual harassment by police. The first SW wouldn't name the department when I asked, but this SW said her harasser worked for none other than the Illinois State Patrol! That kinda surprised me. These guys are suppose to be clean-cut and honest like the CHiPs boys Ponch and John from the California Highway Patrol.
I should say I cannot verify what she told me. I definitely believe the story from the first street walker, and I think I do kinda believe the story from this second SW, too. The second SW said she told the ISP guy no way, and was allowed to go on her way unmolested. The first SW, as I mentioned earlier, did provide services to the extorter since she feared being arrested. - Rosco
Member #3213
02-06-08, 16:00
I enjoyed a number of private dances with Brooke at Crystal Palace yesterday. She's a little heavier but a good time in the private dance area. DATY, BBBJ, CIM, and got to watch her pleasure herself. Cost was 6 songs, but we were up there longer than that.
I noticed a few other new girls in there yesterday, 2 specifically that were above average in looks, and plan to go back to see what they offer.
Zero Cool07
02-06-08, 17:27
Rosco2,
It sounds like ISP need love too. I have seen porn that starts like that.
Let them pay the cost like everyone else.
I just hate the fact that they are out looking to do the same thing they want to toss us in jail for.
Sorry I have not posted in a few months guys, I have just had nothing good to say. The area has been dead, so I gave up. Spring will bring back the action.
Roscoe,
I saw a State Trooper getting a BJ from a SW a few years ago near Lake Ave. It does happen. I can understand a guy wanting a BJ or FS but he should not use his position to threaten the girl to get free service.
A street walker I won't identify told me an interesting story. She said she was harassed by a police officer who wanted to have a session of sex with her. This is the second street walker to tell me a story of sexual harassment by police. The first SW wouldn't name the department when I asked, but this SW said her harasser worked for none other than the Illinois State Patrol! That kinda surprised me. These guys are suppose to be clean-cut and honest like the CHiPs boys Ponch and John from the California Highway Patrol.
I should say I cannot verify what she told me. I definitely believe the story from the first street walker, and I think I do kinda believe the story from this second SW, too. The second SW said she told the ISP guy no way, and was allowed to go on her way unmolested. The first SW, as I mentioned earlier, did provide services to the extorter since she feared being arrested.
Can someone provide a description of Nina? I am not sure what she looked like.
I saw a State Trooper getting a BJ from a SW a few years ago near Lake Ave. =====
Thanks for that info about the state trooper, Kemo Sabe.
About Nina, HeavenForHire has written on another board that she thinks the victim is indeed the BSW that a couple fellows on this board picked up many months ago. HeavenForHire, do you know Nina's full name, because the victim's name is listed in the newspaper as Karinina G. Polk. Thanks, Heaven4Hire.
Member #3213
02-07-08, 14:13
I cruised the wash rack/Exchange/9Th this morning. 1 WSW on Exchange, about a -2 on any scale. Slim pickings in the cold I guess.
Took a spin around 1pm today in Brooklyn. Nuthin', zero, zilch, nada.
I normally spend time in Washington Park, but due to some recent reports I decided to visit Roxy's on Friday afternoon for the first time in 4 years.
The place has not changed physically. But the dancers and privates have. Had a great time with two dancers and plan on going back soon.
Thanks for the helpful posts.
Alex P Keaton
02-12-08, 00:16
About Nina, HeavenForHire has written on another board that she thinks the victim is indeed the BSW that a couple fellows on this board picked up many months ago. HeavenForHire, do you know Nina's full name, because the victim's name is listed in the newspaper as Karinina G. Polk.
Yes, it was Nina, a reliable source over there tells me. I once gave her and that reliable source a ride from the Royal Inn to a house where they met with some lapidaries (vendors of precious or semiprecious rocks) and back, but I never employed Nina. She was a slender black girl in her late 20's with average looks and a nice speaking voice, for anyone trying to remember her by appearance.
This is another good example of why we shouldn't do dates at the Royal Inn.
Correction: The Royal Inn is on 10th St not 19th Street!
Police conduct drug raid at ESL motel
News-Democrat
Police raided a room at the Royal Inn Motel at 320 N. 19th St. this morning, made two arrests and confiscated some drugs.
Rossano Williams, 27, whose last known address was 1325 Gaty Ave., had an outstanding warrant for his arrest from the St. Clair County Sheriff's Department.
A 38-year-old woman, whose name was not released, also was arrested. She gave police the motel address as her place of residence and told police she had taken the day off and was in the room with Williams taking a nap.
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Drove the usual tracks on the East side about 4:00pm. Saw a mixed race SW on CR near the tire repair place. About 5'6", 120#, long brown hair, about a 7 or 8 on SW scale. Drove east to the gas station to make the U turn. As I get close to her, I met one of Fairmont City's finest. He had his eye on her also. Continued west towards 64 and saw him make a U turn before the track overpass. Knew it was time to get the hell out of Dodge. Why is LE so worried about a poor girl making a few bucks, I'll never understand.
Be careful and happy hunting.
Jamesj
Alex P Keaton
02-18-08, 00:24
This is another good example of why we shouldn't do dates at the Royal Inn.
Well, it was a drug dealer, from whom the police had done multiple controlled buys, and his girlfriend. Not a mongering situation.
I believe that Donna, Gena, and Shannon all currently have rooms there. They'd be happy to go elsewhere with you, of course.
Mookie1733
02-24-08, 18:02
Hey all !! I'm new to this hobby and I enjoy reading all the reports and dreams! But I would like a map or the general lay-out of the stroll,the wash rack? Would that be a problem for one of you Senior members? I would like to make the trip but don't wanna get in the wrong area!
Hey all !! I'm new to this hobby and I enjoy reading all the reports and dreams! But I would like a map or the general lay-out of the stroll,the wash rack? Would that be a problem for one of you Senior members? I would like to make the trip but don't wanna get in the wrong area!Here's the basic loop with some landmarks. The Exchange, Winstanley, Lynch and Lake area down to about 15th or 17th street has some activity also but be careful there.
Eslguy
I was on my way from somewhere this evening and decided to swing by my old haunts to see who and what was there. I had been out of commission, for a variety of reasons, for more than a year.
The night was nasty. It was cold enough to freeze a witches tits, or, at least, those of a puta (the temperature was in the 20's and falling). It was blowing snow, and it was beginning to stick. None but the most desperate would venture out on a night such as this.
However, it was desperation on which I was counting.The only decently temperatured day that we have had in the last 2 weeks was last Sunday, and it was raining then. I hoped that at least one attractive young prostitute had been waiting for the weather to clear, but finally just had to go make something tonight. And when you find them on a night such as this, they will take anything at all. They just want to get in the warmth. I've had them go with me, gladly, for $5 just to get out of the cold. And often they will stay as long as I like. If you get the room all night, they will stay, doing whatever you want. Just don't fall asleep with them there. They will steal the hair right off of your balls.
Tonight seemed a bust, until I got to the intersection of St. Clair Avenue and Winstanley. There were three women there. Two of them OLD, and one of about 20 years. She had bleached blond hair, was petite, and had sad, emploring eyes.
At first, she seemed scepticle about getting into the car. Finally, she walked over and got in very quickly. My hands began to explore, even before we began moving. She just allowed me to do so. We went to a hotel in Fairmont City.
When we got to the room, I took her clothes off of her and ask her to take a shower. She still hadn't said a single word. She just went in to do as I ask. She came out, naked with a towel in her hands. She then lay on the bed.
I lay down beside her, and gently led her head down. She went without resistence. She was very talented, but somewhat expressionless. It was quite a turn on. I take a while to come, but she never stopped, never complained. Just kept doing it very well. CIMNQNS
After I came, she just lay beside me, with my arms around her, playing with her breasts. After awhile, I was ready again and, once again, led her head down. Once again, she obliged me without resistence. Again, it takes me awhile to come. We did that several more times and she just complied. Finally, I was getting sleepy and got up to get dressed. She then began putting her clothes back on.
I gave her some money. She took it, without a word. We left and I took her back to the place that I had found her. To this minute, she still has not said a word.
I'm not sure what to make of her, but I would definitely take her again.
Taco Hunter
02-28-08, 14:08
I may have run into the same girl as lustful. She was very petite and young with blonde hair however she had some baby damage to her belly along with a c-scar and her boobies have drooped a bit but still a nice little "B" I am sure. she gave a very nice blowjob and rode me like a woman trying to break a new horse in. I did get digits but was asked to only share with senior members
Has anyone seen or heard anything of Jennifer lately? Hadn't been by to pick her up in a few weeks, went by this weekend and she wasn't around. Shannon was there and I wound up having some fun with her.
Shannon told me Jennifer had not been seen in three or four weeks. Jennifer's boyfriend went to jail for a couple of weeks and she disappeared. Now he's out of jail but unlike before Jennifer hasn't come back. I'm hoping she saw her chance and got away while he was gone and that she's someplace safe but with all the craziness around ESL, I'm worried.
I found Kendra on one of the side streets near Collinsville Rd recently. She agreed to FS at a local notel for a very low price for a girl with her good looks!
After checking into the notel, she became very quiet and seemed to be very nervous. She said that she didn't feel comfortable. I happened to notice that the owner of the notel stared at her several times while we checked in. I originally thought he was just checking her out because she was a nice looking girl. But her behavior in the room makes me wonder if he may have had trouble involving her before.
We spent close to an hour in the room. She finally loosened up enough to have a good conversation and cuddle but that's all. She apologized for not being able to go thru with the deal and asked me to take her back. I agreed and took her back.
I would be willing to give her a second chance and try her again on a different day.
Anybody besides Roscoe ever pick up Kendra?
At 2 PM on Thursday, I picked up lovely 22-year-old Kendra on 11th or 14th Streets (I've forgotten which) in East St. Louis. I know it wasn't 13th Street because that all-brick, very uneven street is horrible to drive on. I never go down it anymore.
Kendra has a very pretty face, cute short hair style, is brunette, white, and has plump full lips. This chick's got it going on. Very sweet lady, too. I enjoyed talking with her. The only bad part is I saw how dirty her hands were. I don't know what she was handling, but the top of her right hand was smudged with dirt, like you might expect to see on a 5-year-old's hands. Odd. I felt uncomfortable when she held onto my car door's arm rest. How's she gonna do business walkin' around with dirty hands like that?
Her mouth looked clean other than for her teeth that were browning a bit from the top to 3/4-way down each tooth (meth sign? Or cigarettes?). I decided to play it conservatively; you know how careful I am with my weiner. So I paid her $12 just to park somewhere and play with her chest for a few minutes. I love ladies' chests.
She picked a good parking spot for us that was private. I kept the car running just in case of an ambush. I felt I could trust her (she's very nice), but it's always good to be extra safe.
When she lifted her shirt, I saw that her breasts were not as good as I would have expected for a cute girl like her and only 22. They were kind of deflated. But she does have very, very big nipples. No deflation in the nipples at all.
I also loved her nose, very cute nose. She doesn't have a phone number, but she asked me to drive her to the house where she's been staying for the last 2 months, since November.
.... :) -Rosco
Alex P Keaton
03-04-08, 23:36
It's important not to confuse Jenna (20 or so, bleached blonde, reputed to be erratic and conniving) with Gena (33, very long brown hair, as genuine and reliable as you're going to find among SW-ers) because their names are pronounced the same.
Member #4228
03-07-08, 17:49
I have not been to Brooklyn in at least 6 years. During this time I usually for the last year since I started up again, head to MKs, Dollies when I get the itch. This time I decided to try something different and I went to PTs in Brooklyn during the day shift. Wow. I am so glad I did. The girls ranged from 6 to 8 depending on ones taste but each and everyone one of them offered service of various levels. I did sample the wares and was needless to say very happy. The blonde with the tight butt and boltons had me so excited I barely had a chance to get any type of service other than a awesome rub down. Now, to many this might be a downer but for me whom due to recent medical condition that affects the little guy. I was ecstatic. Those little private areas upstairs are flipping amazing. Just FYI, I paid 80 for two dances and was very satisfied. I think for BJ or FS the price is much more depending on the girl. Honestly some prices seem too high in my view but YMMV. Anyway I am just happy to find some alternative to Wash Park.
I was out this morning when it was about 16 degrees. I saw blond Amanda near 11th and Lynch. She was waving frantically trying to get my attention. My last date with her was bad so I passed on her and left the area for a few hours.
I cruised the area again and saw Kendra near the same spot. She looked tempting! She smiled and waved. I waved back but fought the urge to pick her up since she seemed to be having some mental issues on our last date.
I was out this morning when it was about 16 degrees. I saw blond Amanda near 11th and Lynch. She was waving frantically trying to get my attention. My last date with her was bad so I passed on her and left the area for a few hours.
I cruised the area again and saw Kendra near the same spot. She looked tempting! She smiled and waved. I waved back but fought the urge to pick her up since she seemed to be having some mental issues on our last date.
I made a run in the early afternoon Saturday, One I recognized, one I didn't, however, I'm sure you of you knows the red head. She has a good looking body from the rear (where I saw her from, lol), probably 35, not fat, down by Wysteria/Lake & collinsville. Know I've seen her before, hell, might have even did a stop with here a year or so ago, just couldn't remember.
Just west by Exchange/9th was a white, eith preg or pretty chubby gal. She had a nice smile, but not my type.
I had seen the redhead, so that's why I passed subject 1, to look at her. There were a couple of guys nearby, so I went down to gas station & looped around. The redhead was still out, but I was looking for the chunkier one, but she was gone by that time.
Did the S Broadway loop on the St Louis Side, to no avail. Snooze, you lose kind of day.
Oh, I went to the Queen late, late last night and well not finding any working girls that you could spot, did see this curvy but not too thick black gal in a sexy, slit short dress, nearby where I was at on the craps table. Damn, that was a good looking outfit.
Alex P Keaton
03-09-08, 20:02
I'm sure you of you knows the red head. She has a good looking body from the rear (where I saw her from, lol), probably 35, not fat, down by Wysteria/Lake & collinsville.
You may be describing Lori.
You may be describing Lori.
Thanks, someone else thinks it might be a Crystal. All I had to go on was red in the search, which didn't yield much. I'll check both out and see which one seems to fit better. I know I saw her 2 of the last 3 days, and she doesn't seem like a newbie
Here's Lust Full's post on Crystal complete with pictures
http://usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=579509&postcount=732
Thanks, someone else thinks it might be a Crystal. All I had to go on was red in the search, which didn't yield much. I'll check both out and see which one seems to fit better. I know I saw her 2 of the last 3 days, and she doesn't seem like a newbie
Pay, was it Crystal that you saw? I thought she had disappeared from the area. After my last report, I heard that she owed several drug dealers in town, and rolled a local politician one night.
They were all looking for her, in addition to the hoteliers, and several other johns. Usually, when all of that happens, they find another city in which to ply their wares.
If I were you, I wouldn't ever be in her vicinity, never mind having her in my car. Whey they see her and start shooting, I don't want to be anywhere around her.
Here's Lust Full's post on Crystal complete with pictures
http://usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=579509&postcount=732
I reported on the St Louis side as well, but the Exchange area was active with at least 4 girls out this afternoon. Two on exchange and two on 9th by Lych areas.
Supposed to get nice and warm over the next two days, hopefully one or two of the layers will come off too, lol.
Man, I have to say this was a new one to me, hadn't seen Amanda before, and I didn't bring my laptop with me on the mongor, so had to look it up after I got back, lol
I agree with Jannisary's post, that they don't get better looking over time (in the pic posted). She looks better than that, but I could also get a vibe that she was a dasher if given the chance. (and that's before I got back for the reviews)
How do I know it's the same Amanda others have posted about?
Ha, Tommy Boy's remark of her cranking the radio up, this time 100 FM
She seemed kind of paranoid of a light flashing, so I thought this might be a stall and/or dash. Finally, after telling her that I can see and keep an eye out
Agreed to give her .25, after she had asked if I wanted to get a hotel or a quickie. I opted for the BJ.
Now, I don't usually come right away, especially when they are going through the car wash 3 minute or else cycle. And sure enough, that's what happened here. So, it wasn't a finish to completion.
So, if you come quick within 3-5 minutes, it would likely have been a success. I do have to give her credit that she did most of the BJ very well, and after reading the past experiences, it was a good $25 investment.
She also wrote down my phone #. and I let her out by some crack place a few blocks away off Exchange st. Don't think I'll go for the Hotel Room route, thanks to the very good reviews here.
I think I might go the Club route during the day for the next couple of weeks.
(( I don't normally add in long quotes, since you can get the same result with a Search, but since I hadn't seen her name used a lot since last Sep't, thought it would make it handy for everyone))
I was out this morning when it was about 16 degrees. I saw blond Amanda near 11th and Lynch. She was waving frantically trying to get my attention. My last date with her was bad so I passed on her and left the area for a few hours.
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From Sept 07:
I'm not sure if that's the same gal Tommy Boy. The Amanda I picked up had blonder hair probably a bit longer and a much nicer looking face. It could be the same girl but usually they get worse looking as the years go by not better.
Amanda will definitely rip you off if given the chance. I would put her in the same category with the original Ashley (Shorty A) or Cherokee (Mindy). It's possible to have a successful date with them, but you have to watch your back and constantly be alert.
I had one date with Amanda about a year ago and she tried to rip me off. I didn't post it here before because it reads like an embarrassing list of things not to do on a date, but here goes: I picked her up on CR near the tavern. She asks me to pull onto the side streets and give her $20 so she can buy a rock before the date (mistake # 1). That goes off OK, but now she starts playing my radio loudly (104.1 of course), with the window down, bouncing up and down and sticking her head and both arms out the window making those whatever-you-call-them two fingers up in the air hip-hop signs to every local dude she sees on the street. Not exactly my idea of keeping a low profile when driving dirty.
We get to the motel and she asks me to buy her a room for the night (mistake # 2) and set it up where she is the guest but we use my ID to get the room (mistake #3). At this point I had already spent all the date money on the rock and the room; we had agreed she wasn't getting any additional cash. So I knew she had zero motivation to follow through with the date. I made sure I was in a position in front of her to receive the room key from the clerk which I did. Once I have the key Amanda says, "Why don't you give me the key; I'll go ahead and get the room open while you park the car." That made no sense at all and I knew she was setting me up for the classic "lock-out" rip off. So I said, "No, I'll keep the key and meet you at the room." She just pouts and says, "Why bother, you've got the key!" and jumps in the car. So we drive to the room together, and go in together.
Now that we're in the room together, she resigns herself to giving me the previously paid for date. But the performance was less than stellar. In fact, it was one of the worst that I've had. She gets naked. She is a young pretty girl with a great body, but with all the antics leading up to this, I'm not hard, so I ask her to give me head. She says, "I don't suck dick; I lick pussy." Well, that's an awfully convenient thing to say when there's only a dick in the room! She claims she likes to do doubles with Lisa and Lisa gives the head while she goes down on Lisa.
So I ask if I can lick her pussy. She says yes and I proceed to DATY. But while I'm doing it she picks up the phone and calls her mother! She talks to her mother the whole time I'm licking her pussy and obviously isn't getting into it. After she's finally off the phone, I glove up and start fucking her. She is on her back, legs spread and very compliant while I go at it but get this: she has the remote in her hand and is channel surfing the whole time!
This could easily be the worst date ever, but I said to myself, "Here is a young pretty girl who has no interest in me whatsoever and the last thing she wants to do is have sex with me, but because she is a stupid little crack head, I get to fuck her anyway!" Putting myself in that frame of mind worked and I was able to get off. Date over.
On the way out she asked me for a tip! I declined.
Well, I went in search tonight. About 7PM I went to Woodson. Drove up and down several times. There was absolutely nothing. I then headed east on Page. That produced nothing all the way to Kingshighway. I then went to S. Broadway. I traversed all the way from Soulard to Telegraph Rd, and back again. Still nothing.
I then decided to try the east side. I passed down Exchange and Collinsville Rd area. Nothing but real skanks there, but at least there were semi-warm bodies there.
I then went over to the area by the Royal Inn downtown. Not the one in Fairview, but the one in E. St. Louis. There, standing outside was Tina. She had a nice smile and I invited her into the car.
She tried to convince me to get a room there, but I find that hotel repulsive.
There are always unsavory looking gentleman standing outside and in the lobby. It looks like the perfect place to get mugged. And the people there all know each other, leaving me at a distinctive disadvantage.
She agreed to go to the Indian Mounds Hotel in Fairmont. When we get to the room, she's sweet as pie, all over me. Then she asks for the money. Once I handed that over, her sweet demeanor turned savage.
She reluctantly allowed me to take off her clothes. Then I took mine off. I then took a few pictures. Just as I get on the bed, she begins to scream bloody murder and yell for the police to be called, as she tries to grab for her clothes.
I wrestle her clothes from her, and my funds, I might add, and push her out the door, butt naked, then lock it behind her. If she wants to run, I'll help her do so, but it will be without clothes, socks, shoes, or anything else and certainly without my money.
I then go into the bathroom to wash her blood off of me, and leisurely dress, gather up her clothes, and get in the car.
She comes running out of another room, wearing a football jersey, yelling for her belongings. I looked at her for a moment, through the window, and drove off.
Apparently, taking her there was not such a good idea after all. She seemed to know someone there, to whose room she dashed. It would seem to have been a setup. I thought that by taking her there, far away from where I found her, that it evened the playing field. I was mistaken.
At least, I'm hoping that's what it was. I would hate to think that a fellow monger assisted her in her attempted cash and dash. I do know that, occasionally, we do those things, attempting to gain brownie points with them. Of course, all that we end up doing is enabling the rip offs. A good monger would have marched her right back to my room and made her settle up with me.
When I got back across the bridge, I stopped on a parking lot and looked through her things. She had a sweat jacket with two cigarette lighters, a crack pipe, and a balled up kleenex that presumably had a rock in it. She had a sweat shirt, jeans with just a few coins in one pocket and another lighter in one, and some worn out tennis shoes. Presumably, she didn't have a single dollar to her name.
I began to feel badly at how little she had and that she had lost that. But she could have had considerably more if she had not tried to rip me off. I sincerely wished that I had been able to give her our agreed price for a job well done. I would much rather give them the money, than go through all of this.
I'm not having much luck at all lately. All of the providers seem to be looking for the first opportunity to bale without giving that for which they were paid. Of course, I will NEVER let them get away with it, but they seem to get away with it often enough, with others, that its worth a try. I do hope that things improve soon.
Here are the pictures.
Travelinguy77
03-12-08, 13:20
Went to roxy's yesterday early evening. I assume they were the day shift girls. A couple that were kind of pushy, one that was a real sweetheart and gorgeous was Anna. Wow! Had a couple of privates that were somewhat handsy, but didn't approach the extras as I am still working on establishing myself as a regular. On my way home headed south on 3 there was a skinny dark haired SW at the intersection who actually yelled hey at me, but I passed as it seemed really out in the open.
Went to roxy's yesterday early evening. I assume they were the day shift girls. A couple that were kind of pushy, one that was a real sweetheart and gorgeous was Anna. Wow! Had a couple of privates that were somewhat handsy, but didn't approach the extras as I am still working on establishing myself as a regular. On my way home headed south on 3 there was a skinny dark haired SW at the intersection who actually yelled hey at me, but I passed as it seemed really out in the open.Sounds like we were probably there at the same time. I saw Anna there and she sure is easy on the eyes!
You could be Spitzer...I don't think that I could be Spitzer. I have never tried to modify anyone else's behavior unless it directly impacted my bottom line. Of the precious few laws in which I believe, I probably hold myself to a higher standard than I would anyone else.
And I have forever said, often and loudly said, that sex is between only those people who are having it. No one else should EVER be allowed to say anything about it or have anything to do with it, unless ask.
My only crusade is to have sex myself. And, obviously, Spitzer was having it and I am not. So he's much better off than I am. And even though he resigned the highest office in the state. And he may be disbarred. And he may serve a few minutes in jail. And his wife may ditch him. And his children may disown him. He's still heir to a fortune and can continue to afford $5,500 an hour call girls. And I am still a poor working stiff who couldn't get elected as dog catcher, and can't pay a crack addict $20 to suck my dick.
I would much rather be him. Of course, there are a few people who would much rather be me too. So I'm not complaining. Well, I am complaining about not being able to get any. ;-) But I expect that to change soon enough.
Anna is a gorgeous gal but there are no extras to be had there.
Just a heads up.
I was just wondering.
Is there something else magical that happens with a $5, 500 an hour event that doesn't happen with the ladies we all know and love?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I already assume she must be absolutely beautiful, but really.--- $5,500?
I don't think that I could be Spitzer. I have never tried to modify anyone else's behavior unless it directly impacted my bottom line. Of the precious few laws in which I believe, I probably hold myself to a higher standard than I would anyone else.
And I have forever said, often and loudly said, that sex is between only those people who are having it. No one else should EVER be allowed to say anything about it or have anything to do with it, unless ask.
My only crusade is to have sex myself. And, obviously, Spitzer was having it and I am not. So he's much better off than I am. And even though he resigned the highest office in the state. And he may be disbarred. And he may serve a few minutes in jail. And his wife may ditch him. And his children may disown him. He's still heir to a fortune and can continue to afford $5,500 an hour call girls. And I am still a poor working stiff who couldn't get elected as dog catcher, and can't pay a crack addict $20 to suck my dick.
I would much rather be him. Of course, there are a few people who would much rather be me too. So I'm not complaining. Well, I am complaining about not being able to get any. ;-) But I expect that to change soon enough.
Has anyone here been busted or know what happens when you get busted? Do you get a ticket? Do you get arrested? What's the deal in Illinois?
Taco Hunter
03-14-08, 10:56
I picked up Misty who has always tried to flag me down but I was not to sure she was my type as she is defiantly on the chunk side as it turns out this is Jenna's sister and her Mom which I think Jenna told me goes as Trudy also works the stroll. And I used to see her in the old pickup truck carting them around. however it now looks like this is Cheese's new clan now that jennifer is gone as they are always around that area. I got a quick BJ which was nice for .3 and she has some HUGE jugs but alot of gut to go along with it
First, thank you for this report and for the pictures. This way the rest of us can avoid this gal and avoid being ripped off.
Second, I admire the way you are able to as you've indicated here and in previous posts, when necessary, get physical with these "ladies" in order to retrieve your cash and avoid being taken. I am not a large man and am therefore reluctant to get into a tussle with any of these street-smart girls. I might not lose per se, but I would probably get scratched up badly enough that I would have trouble explaining it to the wife.
Third, you did not make a mistake taking her to a motel in Fairmont. It is the right way to do it and it usually does even the playing field. There is no way if you picked her up at the Royal Inn on 10th that she could possibly know that you were going to take her to Indian Mound and therefore no way she could have someone there waiting for you. I think that what probably happened is that when you pulled onto the parking lot at Indian Mound by sheer coincidence she spotted a familiar car and realized then that a friend of hers was staying there. Then she probably decided on the spur of the moment to pull a cash and dash on you thinking she could probably get inside her friend's room.
Finally, since she was bloodied in the struggle with you, she was probably able to convince her friend that it was a bad date and that you refused to pay and then tried to rape her. Without your side of the story, whoever was in that room would have no way of knowing what really happened.
She agreed to go to the Indian Mounds Hotel in Fairmont. When we get to the room, she's sweet as pie, all over me. Then she asks for the money. Once I handed that over, her sweet demeanor turned savage.
She reluctantly allowed me to take off her clothes. Then I took mine off. I then took a few pictures. Just as I get on the bed, she begins to scream bloody murder and yell for the police to be called, as she tries to grab for her clothes.
I wrestle her clothes from her, and my funds, I might add, and push her out the door, butt naked, then lock it behind her. If she wants to run, I'll help her do so, but it will be without clothes, socks, shoes, or anything else and certainly without my money.
I then go into the bathroom to wash her blood off of me, and leisurely dress, gather up her clothes, and get in the car.
She comes running out of another room, wearing a football jersey, yelling for her belongings. I looked at her for a moment, through the window, and drove off.
Apparently, taking her there was not such a good idea after all. She seemed to know someone there, to whose room she dashed. It would seem to have been a setup. I thought that by taking her there, far away from where I found her, that it evened the playing field. I was mistaken.
At least, I'm hoping that's what it was. I would hate to think that a fellow monger assisted her in her attempted cash and dash. I do know that, occasionally, we do those things, attempting to gain brownie points with them. Of course, all that we end up doing is enabling the rip offs. A good monger would have marched her right back to my room and made her settle up with me.
Imwithstupid
03-14-08, 23:53
Shed no tears for the man. Before he was guv of NY, he was a prosecutor and made a big name for himself. By breaking up prostitution rings. He sought to deny all of us the opportunity to engage in our hobby while at the same time wholeheartedly enjoying it himself. A hypocrite of the first order.
I don't want this to turn into a big controversy but personally I have a different view on how Lust Full handled that and previously reported situations.
I'll preface this by saying that so far I've been very lucky and haven't had to deal with a cash and dash like those he's posted about. The one time I had a similar problem was with Amanda who I foolishly fronted 20 so she could "pay her rent" which she did, got back into my car, and then jumped out again a few blocks later. It pissed me off but not enough to try to get it back.
I understand being frustrated and wanting your money back but beating on the girl till she's bloody to get it back doesn't really agree with me either. And there's no way I would even consider marching a girl back to your room to settle up with you. There's no way I'm getting involved with that and possibly becoming an accessory to assault and rape. Now stealing a cash&dash's clothes and belongings, that I would probably do if I had the chance. I may be a degenerate monger but I'm not a rapist.
I'm sure different people have different views on how to react to these situations. For me it just doesn't seem worth the possible hassles to get violent unless its absolutely necessary, such as for my own physical safety. If you end up getting bit, deeply scratched, cut by something, or arrested; that lose of a little money for services not rendered would seem really cheap in comparison.
I guess so far I've been lucky in avoiding problems. I take them to either the Relax or the Royal in Fairmont or sometimes to the one in WP. That way I can always just check out and tell them to walk home. Which I've threatened to do before. The couple of times I had a few iffy situations that seemed to get the girl motivated. Some of the girls do have phones but they don't want to have to call their "boyfriends" to pick them up, especially if they didn't get any money. I'm not sure if its the long walk, the Fairmont police, or the motel keepers that worry the girls the most. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the motel guys haven't taken advantage of girls in those situations.
Another thing I do is to insist the girl take a shower. Doesn't matter to me if she just took one a little earlier or not, she takes a shower or no deal. The travel size bottles of shampoo and body wash and some disposable razors are a good investment and easy to keep stashed in the trunk. That way I get a clean and nice smelling girl and she gets naked before we settle up. Most girls are appreciative of the shampoo and stuff so that helps their attitudes too I believe.
You're welcome Tommy Boy. It is my intention to share with this board all of the information that I have, just as I have gotten information from you all.
In some ways, I agree with you Janissary. It is a risk. But its one that I'm willing to take. Just as mongering in the first place is a risk that I'm willing to take.
Admittedly, I don't have as much to lose as some, not being married and being self employed. If I get a bit bloodied in the fray, I don't have to explain anything to anyone. When I had those obligations, I was much more likely to let things go, since, as you said, it might cost me more in the long run.
However, back then I had almost no problems because I was younger and more likely to get it because they like having sex with the younger, more verile men. I'm a crusty, old man now, and therein lies the problem. And, its also why I'm on the prowl much more than I was when I was younger. I simply have to pay for it with anyone under 30 now. That's the exchange, sex for money. I make no apologies for that. I have the money. If they want it from me, they'll have to give the sex.
However, now, after careful planning, I am able to do as I please. The only thing which I, sort of fear, is arrest. However, I can't imagine anything sticking with a street prostitute. They'll be too busy finding a rock, to make the court date. And if they were to be put on the stand, I can't imagine that they would be believable.
You mentioned that you don't agree with beating her bloody, but you would take her clothes. Ironically, I have no problem with the fact that I beat her, but I feel very very badly about taking her clothes, even now.
Taking my own money back, by any means necessary, for services not rendered, is my right and I WILL exercise it. If she wants to keep the money, she will have to give up the goods. Or, if she just didn't want to do the deed, she could have given the money back at some point before she was bloodied. I only took things as far as she wanted to take them.
And I was not beating her to make her do sex acts. In fact, I no longer desire them once they try to rip me off. They couldn't pay me to do it with them after that. I was simply getting my money back.
However, I suspect that she expected me to think as you stated and allow her to keep the money. In fact, she counted on it, and it's why they do it in the first place. Because most often, they can get away with it. If every guy, every time, didn't allow her to do it, the behavior would be extinguished within a week. Some would go on and do it, some would decide it's not worth it and go to rehab, and some would turn to other forms of larceny with which they can get away. People will only do what you allow them to do.
However, taking her clothes was an act of humiliation and assault on her human dignity. I don't think I have the right to take that because it wasn't mine in the first place. For that, I owe her an apology, which I will give to her if I ever see her again, and if she lets me get close enough to say anything.
All in all, it wasn't a good experience and I still feel badly about it. I would much rather give the money. I don't want something for nothing. And I don't expect her to give anything for nothing. If a girl offers to give me some for free, I run away, fast. I can't afford free. Its too costly. Mind you, I can't afford $5,500 either.
Perhaps I should not have shared the story here. It may have been better for me to keep it to myself. I suspect that's what most people here do. If they have a bad experience, they hide it.
I wanted to share my experience as a warning to others about her, and the fact that any of them can do it. To that end, I even provided pictures. You all can let me know if you would rather not hear it. I have no vested interest in telling my bad stories.
I don't want this to turn into a big controversy but personally I have a different view on how Lust Full handled that and previously reported situations.
I'll preface this by saying that so far I've been very lucky and haven't had to deal with a cash and dash like those he's posted about. The one time I had a similar problem was with Amanda who I foolishly fronted 20 so she could "pay her rent" which she did, got back into my car, and then jumped out again a few blocks later. It pissed me off but not enough to try to get it back.
I understand being frustrated and wanting your money back but beating on the girl till she's bloody to get it back doesn't really agree with me either. And there's no way I would even consider marching a girl back to your room to settle up with you. There's no way I'm getting involved with that and possibly becoming an accessory to assault and rape. Now stealing a cash&dash's clothes and belongings, that I would probably do if I had the chance. I may be a degenerate monger but I'm not a rapist.
I'm sure different people have different views on how to react to these situations. For me it just doesn't seem worth the possible hassles to get violent unless its absolutely necessary, such as for my own physical safety. If you end up getting bit, deeply scratched, cut by something, or arrested; that lose of a little money for services not rendered would seem really cheap in comparison.
I guess so far I've been lucky in avoiding problems. I take them to either the Relax or the Royal in Fairmont or sometimes to the one in WP. That way I can always just check out and tell them to walk home. Which I've threatened to do before. The couple of times I had a few iffy situations that seemed to get the girl motivated. Some of the girls do have phones but they don't want to have to call their "boyfriends" to pick them up, especially if they didn't get any money. I'm not sure if its the long walk, the Fairmont police, or the motel keepers that worry the girls the most. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the motel guys haven't taken advantage of girls in those situations.
Another thing I do is to insist the girl take a shower. Doesn't matter to me if she just took one a little earlier or not, she takes a shower or no deal. The travel size bottles of shampoo and body wash and some disposable razors are a good investment and easy to keep stashed in the trunk. That way I get a clean and nice smelling girl and she gets naked before we settle up. Most girls are appreciative of the shampoo and stuff so that helps their attitudes too I believe.
I have had a few Cash and Dash girls myself. However I wouldn't hurt some girl for taking the cost of a date. These girls have mental issues, abusive boyfriends, etc. and I'm sure that these things effect their thinking sometimes. The few that have ripped me off have had the pleasure of watching me drive past them to pick up others girls. One girl, after seeing me drive past her for over a year, admitted she was sorry and is now one of my better dates.
There were times when I thought a girl had done a cash and dash when I see her returning about the time I give up on her. Their sense of time is not that good either and sometimes they run into people with "issues" that keep them busy for awhile.
To each his or her own. We all have our unique ways of handling any given situation. My suspicion is that my money means more to me than it does to Kemo or Jannisary.
And, its entirely possible that, in the end, they will get more women than I will since the girls know that, should they have an irresistable urge to do a cash and dash, they will let them, and I won't.
I have had a few Cash and Dash girls myself. However I wouldn't hurt some girl for taking the cost of a date. These girls have mental issues, abusive boyfriends, etc. and I'm sure that these things effect their thinking sometimes. The few that have ripped me off have had the pleasure of watching me drive past them to pick up others girls. One girl, after seeing me drive past her for over a year, admitted she was sorry and is now one of my better dates.
There were times when I thought a girl had done a cash and dash when I see her returning about the time I give up on her. Their sense of time is not that good either and sometimes they run into people with "issues" that keep them busy for awhile.
Lust full,
Of the things that you kept of hers, she was probably the most upset about the pipe and the rolled up Kleenex. Who knows maybe the assault on her dignity is what she need to stop doing the rock. I could never do what you did (I just can not hit a woman) but as someone that has been robbed I understand it, and even thank you for it.
When I got back across the bridge, I stopped on a parking lot and looked through her things. She had a sweat jacket with two cigarette lighters, a crack pipe, and a balled up kleenex that presumably had a rock in it. She had a sweat shirt, jeans with just a few coins in one pocket and another lighter in one, and some worn out tennis shoes. Presumably, she didn't have a single dollar to her name.
No matter what this is sad. I 'm not here to judge anyone.It is a shame it could not of worked out better. Who knows what frame of mind she was in. Maybe if she had provided you with decent service then you would of written a favorble review on here and other mongers would of made a visit with her.Therefore her making more money to either spend on food, drugs clothing or some more personal belongings.
Imagine us, without a dollar to our name, no ccards, no way to get credit and no food, because you spent your last dollar on crack. You would become desperate too.
Think about how she had to go back and tell her boyfriend/pimp.crack dealer how she lost her clothes. Did this put her at the end of her rope, was this the final straw? Did this even somehow leed for her to take even more drastic measures of robbery, murder and maybe even taking her own life. Or did this event finally make her reach out and ask for help, to get cleaned up.get off the streets, get a real job, with a real future.
Again this whole event is sad and I'm not passing judgement or saying what I would of done differently. I'm a monegr also, and I have had cash and dash thing happen to me. I have also have had the lady provide a service up front, then after the service has been completed did she ask for her fee. This is even after we chit char for a time.
Take care
Rollamale
I was just wondering.
Is there something else magical that happens with a $5, 500 an hour event that doesn't happen with the ladies we all know and love?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I already assume she must be absolutely beautiful, but really.--- $5,500?As far as I am concerned, the former ny guv, can go to hell, but as for the rest of us, remember, we don't pay a girl to have sex with us, we pay her to leave, the car, the motel room, whatever, no commitments, no honey take out the trash, we pay them to shutup and leave after the deed is done.
Monger Forever
03-17-08, 21:03
I had the cash and dash a couple of times and I do get mad but I stop and think of all the times I got a bargain lay for cheap and balance it all out. Hell I remember once in Dallas back in 1993 I had a girl I was nailing hard for a week straight and I don't think I spent over $50 and she was very sexy and pleasing of me. And I have many more good memories.
later all
MF
From a once a month visitor to your area, I want to thank Lust Full for the valuable information, and pictures. If we all stick together, better mongering will be the outcome! Word will get out to that girl, and she will understand the fact that we know what she did to a fellow monger.
Lust Full Wrote
Taking my own money back, by any means necessary, for services not rendered, is my right and I WILL exercise it.
I would point out that the statement is about as factually wrong as one can be. When you are engaging in a crime (solicitation) and you commit another crime (assault) the only thing you are really doing is putting your freedom in jeopardy.
This is not a moral judgment of you in any way. I think what you did was dumb in that you exposed yourself to a heightened level of risk. The situation could have gone very badly for you on more than one level. You could have bought yourself a lot of headache and legal trouble.
We all do stupid things from time to time. The grown up thing is to realize that and learn from it.
You don't have the right to beat up a woman. You made a choice and in doing so you could have ended up doing real time (that is an unlikely extreme but a real possibility). I don't have a lot of sympathy for the pros. But I do think that your actions were foolish and reckless.
Again. This is not a moral judgment. That said I don't think that your arguments stand up. You valuing your money more than others does not lesson the fact that you could be on the hook for assault charges.
You were lucky that this is such an underground activity and that the person you assaulted is at the bottom rung of society and therefor doesn't really have any legal recourse.
Personally if I were ever in a situation where I had to wash the blood of a woman that I beat up off of me I might be ashamed to the point where I would not share that detail with others. But then I would not put myself in the situation where I would be hitting a woman. In my world that is a solid no no.
I think the best revenge against a cash & dash or other problem girl is to just make sure you post about it and let everyone else know.
That won't get your money back but I think it would cut into a girls business if everybody from here made sure to pass her up. Yes, not every monger reads this site but enough do that a girl who makes 40 or 60 in a rip off could possibly lose quite a bit more if people avoid them.
Lust Full,
By any means necessary! Does this mean you would kill the girl if it was the only way to get your money back?
....Taking my own money back, by any means necessary, for services not rendered, is my right and I WILL exercise it. ...
See my report in the St. Louis section, (massage providers) from earlier today. It will crack you up! Decided to do an east side loop on my way home with no intentions to make a pick-up. (Time 4:00pm ) Made the Brooklyn loop -nada thing. Did the CR ,wash rack loop & saw one tall thin BSW on Winstanley. About a 4-5, did not look like she was phamacy addicted,would stop in a pinch. Can't believe that the good weather did not bring a bunch out, maybe I was early, but it's always good to do a little recon.
Be safe & happy hunting!
JAMESJ
Lust Full has written a number of descriptive reports of dates gone bad and he has never before drawn such negative criticism. I feel badly that I drew attention to his actions in a way that perhaps distorted what actually happened and brought all this criticism on him.
Once again, I am grateful to him for reporting on bad dates, cash & dash attempts, etc. These are things we need to know about. I congratulate him on his candor.
I never meant to imply that I admired him for beating girls up or that he literally beat any of them up. I took his report on Tina to mean that she started yelling and screaming in an attempt to abort the date and leave with his cash without delivering the promised services. The way I pictured it next is that he demanded his cash back and she refused. I can believe that because these girls are like glue with your money. You have to literally pry it away from them with a crowbar to get it back. So I'm picturing that next she refuses and tries to leave with his money at which point he grabs her and tears at her clothes until he finds the money, fending off her blows and perhaps delivering one or two on the way himself. Or perhaps he pinned her down until he got hold of his money. That's not the same as delivering a full-fledged beating. All she had to do to stop any assault on her person was give back the money. I am assuming he pushed her out the door naked precisely because she was fighting the whole way and not being reasonable.
Again, I would not attempt to get physical with these girls, but I don't blame him for doing so. I disagree with Bad Boy's assertion that he has no right to get his money back because it is an illegal transaction to begin with. So what! The laws against victimless crimes are pointless and require a police state to be effectively enforced. Just because the state labels it a crime doesn't change the fact that it is in reality a business deal, a voluntary transaction between two consenting adults. And when one person attempts to abscond with the cash, it is a rip-off and people attempting to con and defraud other people, especially people bigger than them, shouldn't be surprised if they suffer physically for it. It is precisely because it is an illegal transaction that violence ends up being the only effective means of dispute resolution. That's why all black market activities, i.e. drugs, end up being dominated by the most violent individuals or gangs.
That kind of treatment is what these girls get in the hood anyway and that is what they will respect. A few of them might be smart enough to understand that ripping off customers is bad business because it generates bad publicity, but most of them are not that smart. They're only thinking ahead to the next hit of crack.
Again, I'm not a violent person myself, nor do I advocate anyone else beating any of these girls to a senseless pulp. But using a reasonable level of force to procure what is rightfully yours, that I can condone on the part of Lust Full or anyone else
You do not have the right to assault someone short of protecting yourself or someone else. That "right" simply does not exist. To parse it or try and manufacture some nonexistent fine print is rather silly.
If I have to choose between being ripped off and hitting a woman I will take the financial hit (which figures out to be less than a tank of gas these days) every single time. I say that because I prefer to be the sort of MAN that does not have beating on women as one of the attributes I carry around in life.
You can choose to assault someone. You can choose to break many laws. To assert that in doing so you have imaginary rights is a little bit childish. If you engage in these "rights" enough times you will eventually be prosecuted and no reasonable person will feel an ounce of sympathy for you.
I do not say any of this with any anger or vitriol at anyone. I understand where differing opinions come from. I also understand that they are wrong by any rational civilized standard of behavior. Making a beast of yourself is nothing to be proud of. To condone it of others is pretty lousy as well. There really isn't any gray area here.
A lot of these desperate woman behave in vile and ugly ways. That is simply no excuse to bring yourself to that level. Boys should not hit girls. Period.
SouthernOne
03-21-08, 07:16
Hey all,
Due to all your reports I decided to make a trip away from WP (where I normally haunt) and make the look see in good ole Brooklyn. I went to Roxy's in the rain during the day about 2pm earlier this week. It still smells the same as I remember 5 years ago. And geez is it dark. 6 cover and 850 drink. I sit way back and scope. Decide to make the stage tip thing to get closer view. Work through 3 or 4. Get asked for the prerequisite privates. Decide on one for 25 for 2 deal and it was nice. She smelled good, spinner type, long straight hair and opted to pass on more play w/ her. (can't rem. Her dance name) few more stage sitting. Then one seems promising. Angelina I think. Back we go and price is fluid w/ whatever on the table depends on how far. I said ok but had in mind w/o cover it woulldn't go too far. Well she got little guy going w/ j/o and wlaa she is demanding $00! I say no way. All I got is 30. She backs down and says my eye is on you so if you spend more I want more. I go clean up and leave. Ahh Roxy's. What a place.
Taco Hunter
03-21-08, 14:28
I was the victim of a cash and dash before and I let her get away but low and behold I saw her again about 6 months later and I was in a different vehicle even if her memory was that good which it wasnt so I picked her up and drove off and just kept driving while talking to her and after I got her about 10 miles away I pulled over and asked her if she remembered me (to which she claimed she did not) and As I recalled to her all of the events and she started to get nervous and of course tell me it was her sister (I am wondering how dumb she actually thought I was) I told her we are even now and to GET OUT or I would just continue on to the nearest police station and well she got out and had a nice walk.
I agree we need to not only post about this but to also make a stand that we will not put up with this type of behavior. I do not judge one way or the other how LF handled it. as he handled it how he saw fit to (can you imagine how thier pimps handle them when they do not bring money home as we could all tell by jennifer) just my 2 cents
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