Rants Raves and Stupid Shit in Seattle.

[Marko Ramius]

Yeah, that kind of stuff isn't for everybody. If we all were going after the same shit it would be kind of boring and very crowded.

But for that matter, I haven't found a vanilla escort that was worth the time, money, or drama in years. And for me the time you take and risks you run picking up streetwalkers make no sense at all.

For me the most cost-efficient and time-efficient method of getting my balls drained by a willing female are at AMPs. With strip clubs a distant second place. For longer-term deals for girls on my rotation I usually go with sugar dating but also throw in a few high end girls for variety.

The "Quinn Plantmama" chick that is mostly around Tacoma or Olympia kind of checks the boxes for a higher-end girl. I haven't met her because of my schedule but in conversations with her and her pictures she seems to qualify as a "high end escort".

[Morton9]

Okay, this is easy:

1. Looks. Not just "cute" or "pretty". Needs to look like she stepped out of a Victoria's Secret catalog or Playboy. Body type is HWP to slim athletic. Very few "curvy" ones or BBWs are in the high end.

2. Can pass for class. That usually means at least a bit educated (although at least two I knew of had Master's Degrees). Mostly have the body language and speaking patterns down that they won't be tagged as a Ho by hotel security at the Westin or Snoqualmie Falls Lodge and can pass as a civilian if you meet up with them at a hotel bar.

3. Super discreet and zero drama.

4. Shows up on time. If you want her at 8:15 pm she will knock on your door at exactly 8:15 pm.

5. Knows her way around a man. Usually the experience is in the RBGFE to PSE range.

6. Pretty low volume. Usually sees at most two or three clients a week. Some see only one or two guys a month..

Yea none of that interests me at all. The girl you just described doesn't sound very fun and is super bougie. I am looking for down to earth and vibes. What you just described is the polar opposite of that. I couldn't give a shit about a girl with a masters degree. I'd rather wife up the local Latina who works at the grocery store who has a fat ass and great personality then some bougie plastic barbie doll. I can guarantee that the sex isn't better with that girl then some of the girls I've had from AA these past couple months. I will be nice but it sounds an awful lot like what I was just mentioning.

[Marko Ramius]

I'm still waiting for a person to explain what a "high end" hooker is...

Okay, this is easy:

1. Looks. Not just "cute" or "pretty". Needs to look like she stepped out of a Victoria's Secret catalog or Playboy. Body type is HWP to slim athletic. Very few "curvy" ones or BBWs are in the high end.

2. Can pass for class. That usually means at least a bit educated (although at least two I knew of had Master's Degrees). Mostly have the body language and speaking patterns down that they won't be tagged as a Ho by hotel security at the Westin or Snoqualmie Falls Lodge and can pass as a civilian if you meet up with them at a hotel bar.

3. Super discreet and zero drama.

4. Shows up on time. If you want her at 8:15 pm she will knock on your door at exactly 8:15 pm.

5. Knows her way around a man. Usually the experience is in the RBGFE to PSE range.

6. Pretty low volume. Usually sees at most two or three clients a week. Some see only one or two guys a month.

You may or may not care about any of those things. Or you may care a lot. So what the actual value proposition is here depends a lot on the client. Playing in this end of the pool isn't for everyone.

There was one of these that circulated around the Eastside for a few years. Classic beautiful slavic blonde with an amazing rack. The rumor was that she was an ex-project marketing manager at Microsoft. That was possible as she spoke the language well enough. Usually she charged about 1500 for an evening (multiple shots, of course), or maybe a little less if you threw in dinner at a nice restaurant. She knew her way around a wine list. I saw her a couple of times and then fell out of touch with her.

The other one I saw for a couple of years was also a lovely blonde, this time Swedish. She literally was in Playboy Europe the year before I started seeing her. She circulated between LA, Vancouver, Toronto, and I think Chicago.

Most of them also prefer multi-hour meetups. When you work out the price per hour it isn't grossly out range of what the dross on the other board attempts to charge. They might do shorter time visits if you prefer but I never had any of them offer that.

[Morton9]

No actual "high end" escorts ever advertise on the Other Board or on places like STG. At some time twenty years ago some advertised on Eros.

The Good Ones I knew about were all very low volume and mainly advertised by word of mouth.

I'm still waiting for a person to explain what a "high end" hooker is. Giant case of GPS and a simp client is the only thing that comes to mind.

[Marko Ramius]

So, took a dive on some of the "higher end" escorts and all I have to say, are they all just GPS? Their effort is extremely minimal and then seem upset when I last longer than 5 minutes LOL. Like WTF? I can donate half and get a 1000% better experience?

No actual "high end" escorts ever advertise on the Other Board or on places like STG. At some time twenty years ago some advertised on Eros.

The Good Ones I knew about were all very low volume and mainly advertised by word of mouth.

[CreamerCity]

That's why I stick with qv, but some are asking 200 qv? No BBBJ! All cbjcfs. Fuck that. I'm sticking with my regulars. I just get tested every month for full panel std test, I got 5 regulars who offer 150 hhr or less. Once in a while I'll go over my budget only if she's close to a ten and BBFS is slamdunk.

Sounds like the way to go tbh. Wish I had regs like that. Alas I'm new to the hobby xD.

[Organiz]

It's been several years since I was told to take my time. I always wanted to come at the end of the hour--not the beginning! They basically want you out as soon as you've paid in full, and not a moment later. At these prices, yes. So I don't hobby much anymore. All too often, they are simply and easily ripping us right off. Aren't they?

That's why I stick with qv, but some are asking 200 qv? No BBBJ! All cbjcfs. Fuck that. I'm sticking with my regulars. I just get tested every month for full panel std test, I got 5 regulars who offer 150 hhr or less. Once in a while I'll go over my budget only if she's close to a ten and BBFS is slamdunk.

[Morohei]

So, took a dive on some of the "higher end" escorts and all I have to say, are they all just GPS? Their effort is extremely minimal and then seem upset when I last longer than 5 minutes LOL. Like WTF? I can donate half and get a 1000% better experience?

Yes.

All the time on TNA they yammer on about how "great service is expensive". Yet they best ones I've had were all about $100. And those ones blew those TNA girls out of the water.

[GinVermo]

So, took a dive on some of the "higher end" escorts and all I have to say, are they all just GPS? Their effort is extremely minimal and then seem upset when I last longer than 5 minutes LOL. Like WTF? I can donate half and get a 1000% better experience?

It's been several years since I was told to take my time. I always wanted to come at the end of the hour--not the beginning! They basically want you out as soon as you've paid in full, and not a moment later. At these prices, yes. So I don't hobby much anymore. All too often, they are simply and easily ripping us right off. Aren't they?

[CreamerCity]

So, took a dive on some of the "higher end" escorts and all I have to say, are they all just GPS? Their effort is extremely minimal and then seem upset when I last longer than 5 minutes LOL. Like WTF? I can donate half and get a 1000% better experience?

[Saffrole]

I know they do stings on the web, too. Like a dumbass, I used to get outcalls to my house all the time. Luckily I never got burned.

A few years back I used to get outcalls occasionally, and there was one that convinced me to stop. It was a woman in her early 20's. She looked good in her ad, but not like model good or anything. When she showed up, she brought another slightly older woman with her and said it was her sister. This unexpected other person showing up had me on guard, so when they started asking me questions about what I wanted to do with the younger one, I played dumb for a few minutes and didn't say anything sexual or about money. It kept being awkward and I told them they needed to leave. When they started to protest, I put on the mean voice and said "Get the fuck out of my house right now!" And they left. Thinking back, the questions they were asking were definitely the kind of thing that would sound awful when played back in court.

[Silver Wraith]

I was busted in a sting in Seattle at the very end of 2022.

Sorry you went through that. It fucking sucks.

I was caught up in the 2016 Eurospa debacle. Made every noob mistake in the book and was cuffed in the massage room and placed in another room with 6 others in cuffs. Then upstairs to another room with more busted guys. Then into a bus in full view of the street to downtown jail. Then another holding tank, processed, put in slippers and grungy used tighty whities and an orange jumpsuit. Then another holding tank which was pretty fucking sketchy. Spent four hours in cuffs. Not fun. Eventually released on PR hours later.

Hired a lawyer - $5 k to walk in the door. But he was good. Somehow he kept requesting and being granted delays. Showing up in court every few months while they called me a sexual exploiter in front of a room full of people sucked but after 2 years it was eventually dismissed. Arrest record still exists, but no conviction thank goodness. Wish I could figure out how to get the arrest record buried without spending another chunk of money on legal help.

My advice? Don't get busted. Don't be stupid in your exploits.

[Hoballer]

I did a 15-minute consultation with a lawyer who specializes in these types of cases about two years ago because I realized that I was out there and really didn't know how I could end-up on the hook myself. I had received a message on another forum from someone who had been recently busted so that prompted me to start learning. That lawyer told me similar things which you've posted here. No recorded evidence, lazy SPD half-assing stings, incomplete reports which put the burden of proof onto the defendant, etc. I decided to dig into the data and found that SPD primarily conducts their street stings in larger parking lots between the hours of 5 pm to about 8 pm on weeknights. In the past couple of years I did also see men being cuffed in the Lowe's parking lot. I think that eventually we're going to end-up in the same way cannabis went. With decriminalization or some kind of legalization. Just seems that we're at the most conservative point on all of this and everyone just assumes that ALL sex work is trafficking which is odd. Nobody is looking at anything nor being rational. We'll see where it goes, but doing stings and nailing suspected johns isn't doing anything in my opinion.

I was busted in a sting in Seattle at the very end of 2022...be aware that DNA samples and SOAP orders could be a thing of the future with stings. Be careful and educate yourselves so you can be as informed as possible.

[Hoballer]

Unfortunately that's not how it works out there anymore and hasn't for probably about four years now. New SW's are trained not to get in until they get a confirmation of a date. Since a lot of West Coast cities declared that they will no longer arrest nor charge sex workers they won't waste time being discreet and getting in to negotiate away from the eyes of LE. I've argued with SWs about this in various forums including on Instagram and they won't budge from their view that it's a waste of time to get in without confirmation. It does make it riskier in my opinion to approach an SW on the street, but I think that staying out of large parking lots helps to mitigate that to a degree. There are new loitering laws which will probably go into effect soon and that new proposal apparently gives police more authority to stop suspected johns, so perhaps it won't matter anyway.

Re: avoiding stings with SW, I thought the time honored protocol was no speaking outside the window. You pull up, unlock the door, she gets in, you start driving before a word is spoken. LE will never just get in your car like that (puts the officer in too much risk).

I've not been dreaming about SW adventures in several years, but I have driven on Aurora and saw a lot of window negotiations. Maybe need to teach the SWs to just get in the car.

[Morton9]

Re: avoiding stings with SW, I thought the time honored protocol was no speaking outside the window. You pull up, unlock the door, she gets in, you start driving before a word is spoken. LE will never just get in your car like that (puts the officer in too much risk).

I've not been dreaming about SW adventures in several years, but I have driven on Aurora and saw a lot of window negotiations. Maybe need to teach the SWs to just get in the car.

Back in the day, I would keep the windows rolled up on approach, and as she got close, hit the button to unlock the car. Made an audible sound she could hear. I estimate 90% of the time she just opened the door and climbed in. The others any kind of negotiation started I'd say sorry I thought you needed a ride and drive off.

My technique of course is not full-proof and like the story that started this talk about stings, that guy was getting arrested no matter what (sorry that happened to you) - the cops know even with little to no evidence, they force you either to feel like you have no choice but to plead (which should be unconstitutional some of this pre-trial nonsense), or you have to lawyer up and your $200 or less hobby evening turns into multiple court dates and close to $5 k in lawyer fees..

Sounds good in theory. However in my experience you NEVER want to negotiate with these girls in the car. ESP if you are looking for an actual blowjob (BBBJ). Never ever. They will slam your door. Demand money from you to get out or demand you drive them down the street or back to there hotel. I have had far too many experiences where the girl gets in to negotiate and then it's like pulling teeth to get them to leave! These girls are super entitled! They won't just leave your car. The girls that try and get in right away usually are pulling scams in my experience. Ask for $20 to get out etc or "drive me down the street" and then when you say no they get all pissed and start bitching and moaning etc etc. Just don't do it. Also they could reek like fentanyl and / or have it on them.

DO NOT let them in your car to negotiate. You will regret it.