Agency Discussion

[CasinoBlue]

Hi all,

I'm trying to get verified with Xiao and reading the previous post and looking at the website layouts it seems to me true they are under one management.

I saw that they are only accepting Chinese clients only and some post saying they are accepting non-asian clients as well. I sent them a text like at 2:30 am and wasn't hoping to get back a response. But it was worth a try. I just sent them another text to the number provided on their website just now as well. Is calling them the best way? The site says to call to make an appointment but there isn't a verifying link like BTT.

If you can share your experiences with me through PM or reply here, that would be great. I been using BTT but want to try another agency with Chinese and japanses as well. Mu and Zen was great but its been crickets for weeks on the thread forum.

Thanks a head of time everyone!

All set here, I heard back via text and it all worked out. Thank you.

[CasinoBlue]

Hi all,

I'm trying to get verified with Xiao and reading the previous post and looking at the website layouts it seems to me true they are under one management.

I saw that they are only accepting Chinese clients only and some post saying they are accepting non-asian clients as well. I sent them a text like at 2:30 am and wasn't hoping to get back a response. But it was worth a try. I just sent them another text to the number provided on their website just now as well. Is calling them the best way? The site says to call to make an appointment but there isn't a verifying link like BTT.

If you can share your experiences with me through PM or reply here, that would be great. I been using BTT but want to try another agency with Chinese and japanses as well. Mu and Zen was great but its been crickets for weeks on the thread forum.

Thanks a head of time everyone!

[BOS143]

Thanks for the info.

There's another one out there https://xiaomi88888.com/ seems different girls than Tokoyo and phoenix but you know how that goes and I have not ventured there yet.

I have a feeling all 3 of these sites are run by the same group lmao. Tokoyo is the high end version of Xiami88888. Phoenix is just the medford version of Xiaomi.

[Noxxx]

I've actually visited Phoenix a few times and each time has been a disappointment. But I keep returning since it's more convenient for me than BTT. I think it's more so the language barrier prevents you from communicating what you want. One thing to note is that you can request special services from them. Like rimming. Not all of the providers will offer it, but they will let you know which one does it. I recently requested and one of the girls was able to do it. I wished it was a bit longer, but she only rimmed for like 2 minutes. Also, she seemed annoyed when I asked her to change positions, did not offer 69. And at the end of the session, it looks like there were some blood on the condom, so I'm pretty sure she was on her period. I wouldn't really recommend them unless you're desperate. The girls are usually pretty young, definitely younger than most at BTT, so if young girls are your thing, this is the agency.

Thanks for the info.

There's another one out there https://xiaomi88888.com/ seems different girls than Tokoyo and phoenix but you know how that goes and I have not ventured there yet.

[BOS143]

I've actually visited Phoenix a few times and each time has been a disappointment. But I keep returning since it's more convenient for me than BTT. I think it's more so the language barrier prevents you from communicating what you want. One thing to note is that you can request special services from them. Like rimming. Not all of the providers will offer it, but they will let you know which one does it. I recently requested and one of the girls was able to do it. I wished it was a bit longer, but she only rimmed for like 2 minutes. Also, she seemed annoyed when I asked her to change positions, did not offer 69. And at the end of the session, it looks like there were some blood on the condom, so I'm pretty sure she was on her period. I wouldn't really recommend them unless you're desperate. The girls are usually pretty young, definitely younger than most at BTT, so if young girls are your thing, this is the agency.

[KashkaiBoy]

Is that posted somewhere?

Just click on the top "Book now" tab.

[Solandonward]

Maybe try texting the number. You never know if there could have been a technical problem. They're very responsive on text.

Is that posted somewhere?

[KashkaiBoy]

When I got verified in January I filled the form out online at around 5:30 am and they sent me a text before 9:00 am.

Maybe try texting the number. You never know if there could have been a technical problem. They're very responsive on text.

[Lennox65]

Hey all any experience with how long it takes to get verified? I sent in the form on Saturday and haven't heard back, wondering if I typo'ed my cell or something at this point.

When I got verified in January I filled the form out online at around 5:30 am and they sent me a text before 9:00 am.

[Solandonward]

Hey all any experience with how long it takes to get verified? I sent in the form on Saturday and haven't heard back, wondering if I typo'ed my cell or something at this point.

[KashkaiBoy]

I was verified by BIE the same way: pseudonym with referrals by two indies. But after verification I was worried because after booking an appointment they sent a message that at my first visit the provider would check the name on my license. Luckily she did not, possibly because it was her first tour with BIE. KashkaiBoy, what was your experience regarding name check?

I don't recall any I'd check either being mentioned or performed with BIE, I always had a sense that they respected privacy as long as your refs were good. But you reminded me that a few years back I booked with an indie using a reference on the basis of a pseudonym, and once I arrived at the room she politely asked to see an I'd. I only had a sec to think about it and decided that it wasn't a big deal to briefly show her my DL as long as we were not recording it on email / text etc. I explained that I use a pseudonym for the formal bookings and she was totally cool with that, she just looked quickly at the license and gave it back. She told me that many indie providers share names of on bad clients (meaning abusers / creeps / etc) in specific towns with one another. She knew the names of men that she wanted to avoid and just wanted to be sure I wasn't one of them, which seemed reasonable for her security.

[EasiePeasie]

Yep, in my experience BIE will accept referrals from legitimate, reviewed, independent providers or other agencies, and don't require those references to be with your legal name, but can be under a pseudonym. In my experience, it's not difficult to find independent providers who will book you through the TER messaging system if you have some reviews on TER -- meaning you can use a pseudonym and with a burner phone number / email (so you need to obtain a burner phone or maybe use one of the burner phone apps, and obviously use a separate email account that you can use to establish yourself with them). Once you have a few indie references built up, it's easy to get cleared by most agencies other than BTT. I've been cleared by several agencies this way.

Again, protecting your identity will require a bit of groundwork -- you might need to spend a few weeks first posting reviews of recent providers you have seen onto TER (e. G. The BTT providers you have seen, why not? Then booking with an indie or two before going to an agency like BIE using those indies as your references. Others may have other suggestions, but this is what worked with me.

I was verified by BIE the same way: pseudonym with referrals by two indies. But after verification I was worried because after booking an appointment they sent a message that at my first visit the provider would check the name on my license. Luckily she did not, possibly because it was her first tour with BIE. KashkaiBoy, what was your experience regarding name check?

[Wockser]

Hey folks, I've been trying to get my hands on a WeChat verification for forever and finally got one. Can anyone toss me some tips on how to use it with Tokyo and Phoenix? Or do you guys just call? I kinda forgot why I wanted WeChat in the year plus I've been trying to get one if calling just works XD.

And if anyone has good WeChat contacts, I'd be highly appreciative.

[KashkaiBoy]

Thanks a lot!

Do you think I can get away with being verified by BIE without providing my work and I'd and all that and just have another agency vouch for me?

Yep, in my experience BIE will accept referrals from legitimate, reviewed, independent providers or other agencies, and don't require those references to be with your legal name, but can be under a pseudonym. In my experience, it's not difficult to find independent providers who will book you through the TER messaging system if you have some reviews on TER -- meaning you can use a pseudonym and with a burner phone number / email (so you need to obtain a burner phone or maybe use one of the burner phone apps, and obviously use a separate email account that you can use to establish yourself with them). Once you have a few indie references built up, it's easy to get cleared by most agencies other than BTT. I've been cleared by several agencies this way.

Again, protecting your identity will require a bit of groundwork -- you might need to spend a few weeks first posting reviews of recent providers you have seen onto TER (e. G. The BTT providers you have seen, why not? Then booking with an indie or two before going to an agency like BIE using those indies as your references. Others may have other suggestions, but this is what worked with me.

[Solandonward]

Re BAD, you'll find tons of info on the boards just by searching but I'll just point you to this article for the scary stuff:

https://www.newsweek.com/prostitutio...states-1045812

BTT is the second-gen inheritor of BAD (there was an intermediary outfit that was busted after being open for a few months, I forget their name). Essentially my guess is that the Korean kingpins who run the back end of the operation just keep setting up new front offices as the feds take those down. They set up new operations in a month or two after each bust, often using the same properties. I'm sure I'm not disclosing anything that LE doesn't already know.

As for advice, I just would be very careful. I don't think the Feds are too concerned about the clients all that much as they likely are trying to get to the higher levels of this Korean network which I presume spans many states and likely is international. I would not be surprised if they have a team of agents working on this full time. In that sense I'm sure they are monitoring communications, possibly casing the sites. It's clear they did that with BAD. But again I don't know what happens to the data they gather (such as text messages -- which they clearly had access to in the case of BAD) -- will that remain in a file somewhere for eternity? Could it be leaked, hacked, or just become public?

Maybe on more thing I can add to this: in many cases agencies show a strong commitment to client privacy as a form of good business practice. BAD seems not to have done a good job with this, and my sense is that the operation behind the K-brothels just isn't very concerned about their clients. In fact they seem to operate with the presumption that their front offices will be busted eventually, and their security is set up to protect the highers-up. So caveat emptor.

Thanks a lot!

Do you think I can get away with being verified by BIE without providing my work and I'd and all that and just have another agency vouch for me?