What in the fuck are you talking about?

[John HandCock]

You guys still arguing over whether to carry? Pretty simple do or don't. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Do what's right for you and quit trying to change someone's mind. It's like talking to the wall if you haven't figured it out. Either way it's entertaining, specially if you make the news. I can see the headlines. Monger robbed while visiting local prostitute or monger on trial for killing local pimp. Either way it's entertaining.

[TheMechanik365]

Your statement tells me you've never been in someone's sights with the chance of dying. Or you wouldn't say that. There is nothing worse than being dead. Period!

You don't know shit about me.

There are hundreds of people, every day that commit suicide, that says different.

Let someone torture you and then tell me if death isn't better. Suffer with the pain of cancer or MS or some other horrible disease and then tell me if death isn't better. Dr. Kervokian made his name assisting suicides for people, who decided death was a better option than living the way they were.

There are fates worse than death.

[Nickclt]

No, you're not sparing them shame either way. However, I think people throw that judged by 12 shit so cavalierly around. When your family, friends, job and that CWP are history and you're looking at 10-15, it's easier to throw that macho statement around on the internet.

Again, something's in life will make you wish you were dead.

You know that wish can easily be solved. Unless your religion prohibits it or something.

[Rizzo3927]

You, who don't know shit about me. Oh, the irony. 😂.

Your statement tells me you've never been in someone's sights with the chance of dying. Or you wouldn't say that. There is nothing worse than being dead. Period!

[TheMechanik365]

It's not like you're sparing your family any shame by being gunned down in a shady motel. There's only 2 things you can possibly be there for. Pussy or drugs. To them you either live as a creep or die as one, at least for the former you have the option.

No, you're not sparing them shame either way. However, I think people throw that judged by 12 shit so cavalierly around. When your family, friends, job and that CWP are history and you're looking at 10-15, it's easier to throw that macho statement around on the internet.

Again, something's in life will make you wish you were dead.

[TheMechanik365]

Say's the guy that has never faced death.

You, who don't know shit about me. Oh, the irony. 😂.

[Nickclt]

Sounds great in theory, until you're in a courtroom facing considerable jail time, the disdain of your significant other, being disowned by your kids and being a pariah in the community.

There are some things worse than death...

It's not like you're sparing your family any shame by being gunned down in a shady motel. There's only 2 things you can possibly be there for. Pussy or drugs. To them you either live as a creep or die as one, at least for the former you have the option.

[Rizzo3927]

Sounds great in theory, until you're in a courtroom facing considerable jail time, the disdain of your significant other, being disowned by your kids and being a pariah in the community.

There are some things worse than death...

Say's the guy that has never faced death.

[TwoShots]

People can forget and forgive but death is so freaking permanent.

[TheMechanik365]

I have ccw & carry, but I agree with everything you said. Anyone carrying needs professional training, regular practice, & good sense. You should never pull your weapon to bluff, or to try & intimidate your way out of a situation that bad judgement got you in. I am among those that would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6, but I would also rather give up my wallet than kill someone. For me it is the very last resort if I believe my LIFE is in jeopardy, NOT my wallet, honor, or dignity. I hope everyone stays safe out there, and be smart.

Sounds great in theory, until you're in a courtroom facing considerable jail time, the disdain of your significant other, being disowned by your kids and being a pariah in the community.

There are some things worse than death...

[Gator1961]

I have ccw & carry, but I agree with everything you said. Anyone carrying needs professional training, regular practice, & good sense. You should never pull your weapon to bluff, or to try & intimidate your way out of a situation that bad judgement got you in. I am among those that would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6, but I would also rather give up my wallet than kill someone. For me it is the very last resort if I believe my LIFE is in jeopardy, NOT my wallet, honor, or dignity. I hope everyone stays safe out there, and be smart.

I just got my CCW about a year ago and I must admit I rarely carry. . . Never while in the hobby. Just have not yet gotten used to having a firearm on me or really even in close proximity. I really try to stay out of bad situations and definitely listen to my spidey senses as much as possible. . . An ounce of prevention. . .

I really got a lot out of this discussion. Thanks to all who contributed. Good advice.

Gator.

[IT Guy]

I have ccw & carry, but I agree with everything you said. Anyone carrying needs professional training, regular practice, & good sense. You should never pull your weapon to bluff, or to try & intimidate your way out of a situation that bad judgement got you in. I am among those that would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6, but I would also rather give up my wallet than kill someone. For me it is the very last resort if I believe my LIFE is in jeopardy, NOT my wallet, honor, or dignity. I hope everyone stays safe out there, and be smart.

First and foremost I have had my CCW for going on 8 years now. I carry a lot of places, but I also make sure to not carry a lot of places where having a gun is more of a liability than a safeguard.

Just walk yourself through a quick scenario: You get robbed and either brandish or give up the money. Me, I give up the money. A few hundred isn't worth a potential shootout to me. That's some dumb ass cowboy shit. But let's say you brandish. They either back down or call your bluff. If it's the former you're good. But if it's the latter either you need to kill someone, or they're going to kill you. So it's important to understand that when you're pulling a gun either the other guy backs down or someone dies. Over a few hundred bucks.

So let's say you're the victor here. You're going to jail. That isn't up for debate. As pointed out below legal carry becomes illegal the second you commit another crime. And let's not pretend like you can chat your way out of this like you would if you're pulled over with a girl in the passenger seat. The cops will want to know why you're there and how you know the victim / girl. They're going to take a look at your phone records. There's no getting around the fact that they will find out you were seeing a prostitute and that someone ended up dead. So now you're already committing a crime, and you're faced with prosecutors that know you showed up to see a hooker with a piece. AT BEST it is your word vs the girl. There aren't a lot of scenarios where you come away from this without serving time.

So I don't carry. Because a few hundred dollars isn't worth it to me. More importantly I don't see the sort of low rent girls where this might be a problem. We all have different standards and means but you have got to understand when you're visiting these $150/ hr girls in mediocre apartments, or worse shitty motels, you're asking for trouble. Staying safe is less about making sure you got a gun on you and more about not being an idiot about where you go and who you see. Sure I might pay a premium but I never once worried about getting robbed.

[CuriousGeor]

First and foremost I have had my CCW for going on 8 years now. I carry a lot of places, but I also make sure to not carry a lot of places where having a gun is more of a liability than a safeguard.

Just walk yourself through a quick scenario: You get robbed and either brandish or give up the money. Me, I give up the money. A few hundred isn't worth a potential shootout to me. That's some dumb ass cowboy shit. But let's say you brandish. They either back down or call your bluff. If it's the former you're good. But if it's the latter either you need to kill someone, or they're going to kill you. So it's important to understand that when you're pulling a gun either the other guy backs down or someone dies. Over a few hundred bucks.

So let's say you're the victor here. You're going to jail. That isn't up for debate. As pointed out below legal carry becomes illegal the second you commit another crime. And let's not pretend like you can chat your way out of this like you would if you're pulled over with a girl in the passenger seat. The cops will want to know why you're there and how you know the victim / girl. They're going to take a look at your phone records. There's no getting around the fact that they will find out you were seeing a prostitute and that someone ended up dead. So now you're already committing a crime, and you're faced with prosecutors that know you showed up to see a hooker with a piece. AT BEST it is your word vs the girl. There aren't a lot of scenarios where you come away from this without serving time.

So I don't carry. Because a few hundred dollars isn't worth it to me. More importantly I don't see the sort of low rent girls where this might be a problem. We all have different standards and means but you have got to understand when you're visiting these $150/ hr girls in mediocre apartments, or worse shitty motels, you're asking for trouble. Staying safe is less about making sure you got a gun on you and more about not being an idiot about where you go and who you see. Sure I might pay a premium but I never once worried about getting robbed.

[TwoShots]

Also, your CWP is for "lawful" citizens to protect themselves from predators while engaging in lawful activities. Trying to convince a judge and or jury that you had a right to carry a weapon while breaking the law (engaging in the unlawful act of prostitution) is what's called a conundrum.

That's the point I was trying to bring when I asked about the legalities of bringing a ccw into an illegal activity. I had ccw in 2 countries and in both a legal ccw becomes illegal if the ccw holder is engaged in committing a crime.

So the question is, would you like to be judge by 12 or carried by 6? I rather try to not put me in that predicament.

[Corvette704]

There is no right or wrong answer. To each his own.

Whatever makes you comfortable. In my several years of mongering, I've never been robbed (Knock on wood), never been approached by unseemly characters and never felt like I needed a weapon.

Having said that, I know that the possibility of that happening is all too real. However, I also believe that carrying a gun into that situation (seeing a prostitute) can cause more harm than good. I know many of you are banking on just brandishing it will ward off the evil. But what if it doesn't and you have to pull the trigger? What probably would've been you just being out of a couple hundred bucks, now has the police involved and now you have some splainin to do.

Whether you carry or not, the best self defense is awareness and trusting your gut. Do your due diligence. Read this board for reviews. Google photos and numbers. If the place looks shady or the situation seems shady, trust your big head.

Also, your CWP is for "lawful" citizens to protect themselves from predators while engaging in lawful activities. Trying to convince a judge and or jury that you had a right to carry a weapon while breaking the law (engaging in the unlawful act of prostitution) is what's called a conundrum.

Imagine being in court and the prosecutor is telling the jury, the pos that tried to rob you wouldnt be dead if Mr. X (you) hadnt brought a gun while knowingly committing a crime... The way this society despises guns and prostitution, youd be lucky if they didnt throw the book at you...

Again, I'm not telling anyone to carry or not to carry. Every sane person should have the right to choose. However, there are many things to consider when introducing weapons into any situation...

BTW, I have my CWP and carry everywhere I'm LEGALLY allowed.

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