Massage Parlor Reports

[MCOlocal]

I was thinking, I You are on a MP and at the time of the negotiation you tell the provider that you will give her a Monetary gift or Donation. Is that will get you off the hook with uncle LEO?

Let me know your feedback.

MCOlocal.

[KalaFina]

You're on point on the apartment part even though they could easily lie about the income but the car part is a negative, the ones who work in the same state for years have their own car and house if you know of one who doesn't that means they came from a different state, they don't like to spend money but they do spend it in houses and cars designer clothes etc if they reside in one state, then later on if they want to get into another type of business after making enough they choose CA or NY for the most part downtown areas are the best you can find ex providers running different types of businesses.

Not likely they were actual trafficking victims--possible, but not very likely. It's pretty rare in actual massage parlors. All this stuff about the girls not having their own transportation and sleeping in the spas--true. But it's because the girls don't want to buy cars and they don't want to spend money on apartments, plus it being difficult for them to actually rent an apartment without a job and income that they want to put down on a rental application. Most actual of the actual sex trafficking is in hotels and private residences.

[KalaFina]

There are cases like this one that you can find if you look for them I've seen quite a couple but I don't remember the dates or names to post every single one, even journalists do this you know.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/81315165-157.html

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/coconut-creek/fl-coconut-creek-yacobellis-fired-20150227-story.html

With all due respect to Kalafina, I'm not buying this explanation. The police claim to have high quality video depicting the exchange of money for sexual acts. Once you have one or two cases, why wait another 8 months before taking action to "rescue" the women from sex trafficking and to bust the traffickers? There is another more plausible explanation-- the police were collecting evidence to bust a larger group of customers, maybe even waiting for a high profile customer, so they could publish embarrassing photos of men who were accused but not yet found guilty of a crime (whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty? Whatever happened to the "protect and serve" motto for police?

If the police and the politicians were truly interested in putting a dent into human trafficking, they would push to make prostitution legal, safe and regulated. This would provide women who were willing to provide sexual services for pay with a safe place to ply their freely chosen profession (and yes, some women would freely choose this line of work, especially when compared with alternative sources of employment). Legalized prostitution would also provide men with a safe and legal alternative for seeking sexual services. Legalizing prostitution would undercut the economic motivation that drives human trafficking (in somewhat the same way that the 21st Amendment repealed Prohibition and undercut the economic motivation for illegally produced alcohol, much of which was dangerous for the consumer (check the history books on Al Capone and bootleggers). There is a reason that prostitution is the wold's oldest profession-- you aren't going to prevent men from being interested in sex, no matter how many "johns" you bust and how many mug shots you publish in the news media. Why not experiment with a different approach and make prostitution safe, legal and regulated? This would afford the female sex workers that same employee rights and protections as would be applied in any business sector and also provide a legal alternative where otherwise law abiding men would direct their spending for sexual services.

Of course, efforts to legalize prostitution would could provoke the ire of religious leaders who want to impose their morals about sex on others. But given the number of churches that are embroiled in sex scandals, I suggest that it is time to rethink the role of religion as it pertains to sex. Said another way, don't impose your values on others until you clean up your own house, and don't expect to clean up your own house until you recognize that sex is a basic human need, nearly on the same level as food and water.

The focus should be on preventing human trafficking (forcing another person into provide labor, be it sexual or otherwise), not on preventing sex between consenting adults, even if money (or other valuables) is exchanged in the sexual service.

Note: I know it is politically correct to use gender neutral pronouns but history documents that the vast majority of prostitutes are women and the vast majority of customers are men- thus the pronouns are reflective of historical practice.

[Jokester1]

It's a process brother they can't just bust the doors open and arrest people left and right, think like a cop mate, if they do that chances are the girls will be taken back by their handlers because 1 they are the ones keeping the girls I'd info etc, and 2 they don't have a place to go (not a deal breaker), but also if they do this imagine the amount of criminals (think like a cop) who will get away and continue to fuck the trafficking victims. They need solid proof that the owners are involved and that they are aware of what's happening inside the shop to close it or they could just say they didn't know anything and then kick the girls bring a new set and it's fucky and sucky all over again and about the properties have you read the news about previous things found in owners houses? Or do you know anyone who has been involved in said type of arrest? I mean in some occasions naked girls have been found inside owners houses with customers inside waiting their turn as I stated before this shouldn't be something new to most of us trafficking victims don't stay in the same place for too long but 6 months is the earliest amount of time needed to gather as much intel as they can if they don't then detaining the would mean nothing and it would just be a waste of time.

Not likely they were actual trafficking victims--possible, but not very likely. It's pretty rare in actual massage parlors. All this stuff about the girls not having their own transportation and sleeping in the spas--true. But it's because the girls don't want to buy cars and they don't want to spend money on apartments, plus it being difficult for them to actually rent an apartment without a job and income that they want to put down on a rental application. Most actual of the actual sex trafficking is in hotels and private residences.

[SevenYearMitch]

SYM,

I got your point and I don't disagree. Heck, if I had that kind of money I would probably do exactly what you stated in your post.

My point and I think it is valid, there is always the thrill of the unknown. I get the "Fish in a barrel" comment, but when you go to a AMP, or see a provider for the first time there is always a little uncertainty / unknown and that is what I am talking about.

Anyway, not really worth arguing about. There was no slight intended in my post. In fact I got a good chuckle from yours. Thanks for the post.

Gator.

Thanks Gator, I've actually never been to an AMP so I'll defer to your expertise on the subject. I do agree with your "thrill of the unknown" as one possible explanation for Mr. Kraft's penchant for visiting an AMP. I think it was Forrest Gump who once said: "AMPs are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get. " LOL. Unfortunately these days you might get video surveillance.

SYM.

[Why Try]

Bert didn't die until September 2018. He COULD have had a death bed wish for an Asian Boom Boom Rub Down towards the end. The 8 month timing works out. Just saying.

Grain 56.

I just saw Gator yesterday. If Gator could take down the syndicate then, who better to take down this law enforcement syndicate now?

[Redsox2005]

Why would our LE allow this to go on for 8 months? If we see something we are told to report it, not let it continue for our own benefit. In this country from a young age we are told sex is bad. Why do we call our dick, balls, and pussy "private's? That's our culture in the USA. Sex And nudity are bad. Everything we need in today's society we pay for, and I mean everything, from, food to shelter and everything in between. There is a price for everything. So yea, make it legal and the government can take a cut from that too just like weed.

Sox.

With all due respect to Kalafina, I'm not buying this explanation. The police claim to have high quality video depicting the exchange of money for sexual acts. Once you have one or two cases, why wait another 8 months before taking action to "rescue" the women from sex trafficking and to bust the traffickers? There is another more plausible explanation-- the police were collecting evidence to bust a larger group of customers, maybe even waiting for a high profile customer, so they could publish embarrassing photos of men who were accused but not yet found guilty of a crime (whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty? Whatever happened to the "protect and serve" motto for police?

If the police and the politicians were truly interested in putting a dent into human trafficking, they would push to make prostitution legal, safe and regulated. This would provide women who were willing to provide sexual services for pay with a safe place to ply their freely chosen profession (and yes, some women would freely choose this line of work, especially when compared with alternative sources of employment). Legalized prostitution would also provide men with a safe and legal alternative for seeking sexual services. Legalizing prostitution would undercut the economic motivation that drives human trafficking (in somewhat the same way that the 21st Amendment repealed Prohibition and undercut the economic motivation for illegally produced alcohol, much of which was dangerous for the consumer (check the history books on Al Capone and bootleggers). There is a reason that prostitution is the wold's oldest profession-- you aren't going to prevent men from being interested in sex, no matter how many "johns" you bust and how many mug shots you publish in the news media. Why not experiment with a different approach and make prostitution safe, legal and regulated? This would afford the female sex workers that same employee rights and protections as would be applied in any business sector and also provide a legal alternative where otherwise law abiding men would direct their spending for sexual services.

Of course, efforts to legalize prostitution would could provoke the ire of religious leaders who want to impose their morals about sex on others. But given the number of churches that are embroiled in sex scandals, I suggest that it is time to rethink the role of religion as it pertains to sex. Said another way, don't impose your values on others until you clean up your own house, and don't expect to clean up your own house until you recognize that sex is a basic human need, nearly on the same level as food and water.

The focus should be on preventing human trafficking (forcing another person into provide labor, be it sexual or otherwise), not on preventing sex between consenting adults, even if money (or other valuables) is exchanged in the sexual service.

Note: I know it is politically correct to use gender neutral pronouns but history documents that the vast majority of prostitutes are women and the vast majority of customers are men- thus the pronouns are reflective of historical practice.

[Electronman]

It's a process brother they can't just bust the doors open and arrest people left and right, think like a cop mate, if they do that chances are the girls will be taken back by their handlers because 1 they are the ones keeping the girls I'd info etc, and 2 they don't have a place to go (not a deal breaker), but also if they do this imagine the amount of criminals (think like a cop) who will get away and continue to fuck the trafficking victims. They need solid proof that the owners are involved and that they are aware of what's happening inside the shop to close it or they could just say they didn't know anything and then kick the girls bring a new set and it's fucky and sucky all over again and about the properties have you read the news about previous things found in owners houses? Or do you know anyone who has been involved in said type of arrest? I mean in some occasions naked girls have been found inside owners houses with customers inside waiting their turn as I stated before this shouldn't be something new to most of us trafficking victims don't stay in the same place for too long but 6 months is the earliest amount of time needed to gather as much intel as they can if they don't then detaining the would mean nothing and it would just be a waste of time.

With all due respect to Kalafina, I'm not buying this explanation. The police claim to have high quality video depicting the exchange of money for sexual acts. Once you have one or two cases, why wait another 8 months before taking action to "rescue" the women from sex trafficking and to bust the traffickers? There is another more plausible explanation-- the police were collecting evidence to bust a larger group of customers, maybe even waiting for a high profile customer, so they could publish embarrassing photos of men who were accused but not yet found guilty of a crime (whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty? Whatever happened to the "protect and serve" motto for police?

If the police and the politicians were truly interested in putting a dent into human trafficking, they would push to make prostitution legal, safe and regulated. This would provide women who were willing to provide sexual services for pay with a safe place to ply their freely chosen profession (and yes, some women would freely choose this line of work, especially when compared with alternative sources of employment). Legalized prostitution would also provide men with a safe and legal alternative for seeking sexual services. Legalizing prostitution would undercut the economic motivation that drives human trafficking (in somewhat the same way that the 21st Amendment repealed Prohibition and undercut the economic motivation for illegally produced alcohol, much of which was dangerous for the consumer (check the history books on Al Capone and bootleggers). There is a reason that prostitution is the wold's oldest profession-- you aren't going to prevent men from being interested in sex, no matter how many "johns" you bust and how many mug shots you publish in the news media. Why not experiment with a different approach and make prostitution safe, legal and regulated? This would afford the female sex workers that same employee rights and protections as would be applied in any business sector and also provide a legal alternative where otherwise law abiding men would direct their spending for sexual services.

Of course, efforts to legalize prostitution would could provoke the ire of religious leaders who want to impose their morals about sex on others. But given the number of churches that are embroiled in sex scandals, I suggest that it is time to rethink the role of religion as it pertains to sex. Said another way, don't impose your values on others until you clean up your own house, and don't expect to clean up your own house until you recognize that sex is a basic human need, nearly on the same level as food and water.

The focus should be on preventing human trafficking (forcing another person into provide labor, be it sexual or otherwise), not on preventing sex between consenting adults, even if money (or other valuables) is exchanged in the sexual service.

Note: I know it is politically correct to use gender neutral pronouns but history documents that the vast majority of prostitutes are women and the vast majority of customers are men- thus the pronouns are reflective of historical practice.

[Cdmanoise]

Nice dream one evening this week. In the dream, found myself at Spa Serenity. Paid mamasan. 8 for hr massage and led back to room. Cocoa / Koko / Coco (sometimes I wish they had nametags) came in and I was immediately pleased. Not a good judge of height when it comes to short girls, but Cocoa is tiny even by AMP standards, probably between 4'10" and 5'. Immediately thought to myself "I'm going to break her", but she proved more durable than appearances belied. Late 20's / early 30's, pretty face, nice fake boobs, flat belly and a superior posterior.

TS was good, but not the best I've had. Thorough cleaning, LFK, attention to the boys, no rimming, but some good BBBJ to tease. As soon as we were back in room, confirmed service levels and handed donation $ . 6 over. Tried to negotiate down to $ . 2 to no avail, but I don't make a big deal out of it given it was my first visit to SS. Massage was decent, Cocoa used her knees on my back which actually loosened up my stiff neck, and some B2 B as well while she nibbled my ear before the flip. Flipped and there was plenty of BBBJ, and she slid around for some DATY 69 while working on Junior for several minutes.

Cocoa slipped on the cover slyly with her mouth during the BJ, mounted me CG and was glove tight. She pounded away on me, stopping only to spin around on Junior 360 degrees like a Tilt-a-whirl for RCG then back to CG. We switched to mish and I continued railing away, adding some light choking while fucking her slow and deep. If she didn't have an O here, her acting skills are Academy worthy. Heard the door at least 2-3 times and a few fellow mongers in trying to beat the clock. Think Cocoa was trying to rush me once the door chimes started, because her already tight kitty clamped me like a vice. No question who was running this show. Less than a minute later, switched back to have her BBBJDT and BBBJCIM for the finish. She hopped up to spit, get dressed and grab a hot towel / water. I had about 10 minutes left on my hour, but she helped me get dressed and walked me out. Awoke from my dream quite refreshed.

SS is a hike but worth the drive. Worth repeating, but $ . 6 donation a bit steep (especially if busy and getting rushed), so going to have to stick to my guns next time.

DK2 K out.

Is this the Serenity on and trail Or Dr. Phillips?

[Chipper321]

And kingsponte pkwy, behind that racetrac.

I was more in search of a good full body rubdown more than anything else but hoping I'd be pleasantly surprised.

Unfortunately, there was no surprise (suspected). . Nothing more than just a decent massage from a fluent mid 30's ok looking lady.

She had me practically covered like a mummy as she avoided jr like the leper.

Nonetheless, still a good massage so I can't complain too much.

[Hamilton4]

Drove by GG tonight at around 7:30 and then again a few hours later on my way back home and there wasn't a car in the lot. Looks like everyone's playing it safe and the girls are probably going a little stir crazy. As they say, " This too shall pass".

Be safe!

[Bugs2112]

So do do you know anyone / recommend a provider for a good massage in the area with some visuals? PM is okay.

Saw her once within the last year. No problems but did not repeat. Suggest you keep moving.

[FrankCuba]

I haven't done any research on this, but obviously you have. How / where did you find this list?

I travel frequently to Jupiter area so I was genuinely worried I may be in trouble. So I panicked and started to research.
I read every news article I could find online, saw one of them closed in person, read the USA martin / irc / st lucie forum, and emailed 2 of my monger buddies that frequent treasure coast AMPs.

I don't guarantee others aren't involved. These are just the ones that were mentioned. And it looks like they are closed. I have not researched further since my post. Please update if anyone knows more.
BTW Indian River County has a warrant search on its Web site and FDLE has one also- link in post near my post.
IMHO it appears that they were tracking a chinese trafficking group and these were the spa's where the girls worked. Just guessing.

[KalaFina]

It's a process brother they can't just bust the doors open and arrest people left and right, think like a cop mate, if they do that chances are the girls will be taken back by their handlers because 1 they are the ones keeping the girls I'd info etc, and 2 they don't have a place to go (not a deal breaker), but also if they do this imagine the amount of criminals (think like a cop) who will get away and continue to fuck the trafficking victims. They need solid proof that the owners are involved and that they are aware of what's happening inside the shop to close it or they could just say they didn't know anything and then kick the girls bring a new set and it's fucky and sucky all over again and about the properties have you read the news about previous things found in owners houses? Or do you know anyone who has been involved in said type of arrest? I mean in some occasions naked girls have been found inside owners houses with customers inside waiting their turn as I stated before this shouldn't be something new to most of us trafficking victims don't stay in the same place for too long but 6 months is the earliest amount of time needed to gather as much intel as they can if they don't then detaining the would mean nothing and it would just be a waste of time.

Title says it all. I suspect they were hoping to snare lots of high profile mongers and they just let the girls, the victims of trafficking, languish for 8 months.

One more strike against the priorities and tactics of our law enforcement officials, in my opinion.

[KalaFina]

Things are about to get interesting our greedy providers are willing to testify and backstab certain owners just to save their greedy little behinds, wechat is going nuts with a few pictures or certain providers young and old who have turned on their own, this will turn into an interesting free for all battle soon.