"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Hot Hot]

That's amazing, thanks for sharing. Care to share how much that set you back?

Usually I like to take my time. A nice dinner with wine. Some flowers. Perhaps a little gift of jewelry. A steamy hot roll in the hay at a nice hotel. Maybe 2 or 3 rolls. Anyone for 4? LOL Most girls appreciate the romanticism of it all and are quite willing to give you any hole you want for as long as you want.

But then there is that day you don't have time for all of that. So you park in a secluded place like a horny teenager and have some good old fashioned car sex. So nice. Especially when she looks like your first grade teacher.

Which is this? The pics speak for themselves. I don't think it was ever this good when I was 16. Some things, like wine, get better with age.

[PartyTimeGuy]

Usually I like to take my time. A nice dinner with wine. Some flowers. Perhaps a little gift of jewelry. A steamy hot roll in the hay at a nice hotel. Maybe 2 or 3 rolls. Anyone for 4? LOL Most girls appreciate the romanticism of it all and are quite willing to give you any hole you want for as long as you want.

But then there is that day you don't have time for all of that. So you park in a secluded place like a horny teenager and have some good old fashioned car sex. So nice. Especially when she looks like your first grade teacher.

Which is this? The pics speak for themselves. I don't think it was ever this good when I was 16. Some things, like wine, get better with age.

[SandPiper540]

Has anyone actually seen this baby? She's been available for quite some time. She responds, I'm just curious if anyone had anymore info. Feel free DM my inbox or just post right here. https://www.seeking.com/member/885a3...6-1f1d8401b7d1.

[Madaboutmax]

There is a very wide range of people that consider themselves submissive. Everything from just wanting somebody to take control to spanking, choking, gagging, pulling hair amd slapping to ball gags, hand-cuffs, restraints, suspension ropes, whips, clamps and chains.

I've found most women on SA to be submissive in some way. Some are curious and want to learn while others are experienced and have specific expectations. Some are submissive only sexually while others go to the slave / master extreme.

Most of the women on SA are pretty tame compared to women on FetLife.

I think you need to get an understanding of what submissive means to them and your ability (and interest) to provide that.

Chatting with this girl on SA. She describes herself as submissive. Interested in hearing if any of you have had experiences with submissives. PM me for more details. Thanks.

[RVASpider]

Grey I had a meet setup or I thought for drinks, but she ended up ghosting, Julez I haven't had any contact with yet but she looks way hot and seems willing to travel. [qQUOTE=RVASpider;4115977]I would be interested in hearing what you find out about Grey and Julez. I messaged Grey a few times back and forth but then nothing for a while. Julez is from out of town but comes to Richmond a bunch. She talks a ton about meeting up when she's in Richmond but haven't been able to set something up. I think she ends up finding someone who is willing to pay more to hang out with her than me but I've got plenty of others that I don't pursue her too hard.

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Let me know how it goes with Julez. We can't get our schedules to work out but I also wonder if she really comes to Richmond.

[RappaHannock]

Chatting with this girl on SA. She describes herself as submissive. Interested in hearing if any of you have had experiences with submissives. PM me for more details. Thanks.

[BStreet]

Grey I had a meet setup or I thought for drinks, but she ended up ghosting, Julez I haven't had any contact with yet but she looks way hot and seems willing to travel. [qQUOTE=RVASpider;4115977]I would be interested in hearing what you find out about Grey and Julez. I messaged Grey a few times back and forth but then nothing for a while. Julez is from out of town but comes to Richmond a bunch. She talks a ton about meeting up when she's in Richmond but haven't been able to set something up. I think she ends up finding someone who is willing to pay more to hang out with her than me but I've got plenty of others that I don't pursue her too hard. [ / QUOTE].

[Walruscl]

It is my experience that millennials and post-millennials just flat out prefer to text rather than talk on the phone. Many of them don't even have or use voice mail. So, if you do get them to talk on the phone, you definitely know they are serious and for real.

This is even true after you've landed the deal. My current LTSB will occasionally get on the phone with me, for example to work through some logistic that is faster to do in real time. A few times it was because she was on a long car drive. But even then, I notice that the calls almost never go longer than 20 minutes. In fact, they all eerily gravitate to that number: never longer, rarely shorter.

[PartyTimeGuy]

We've all spent a lot of time messaging w / girls, on the site and by text, and even planning on meeting. Of course, all of us have also been flaked on when we thought we had a done deal to M&G. What I have found recently is that a lot of girls message freely, and even provocatively, but if I ask to have a phone call w / them, they go silent. Obviously, if they won't talk to me by phone, they are very unlikely to meet. So, I am using this as a filter, it should save some effort. You don't have to rule them out, perhaps they may come around some day, but just shoot them a text like 'Do you have privacy for a call?' and see what comes back.

It is my experience that millennials and post-millennials just flat out prefer to text rather than talk on the phone. Many of them don't even have or use voice mail. So, if you do get them to talk on the phone, you definitely know they are serious and for real.

[RVASpider]

Little Miss Grey https://www.seeking.com/member/203ae...8-a8109ac4a47a.

Sexy sparrow: https://www.seeking.com/member/ba786...6-0b21e33391d2.

Blondredxhead: https://www.seeking.com/member/3af7a...c-e789c33dbe5c.

Julezforev: https://www.seeking.com/member/0fa27...e-b619e3bd1220.

Thanks if you do!

I would be interested in hearing what you find out about Grey and Julez. I messaged Grey a few times back and forth but then nothing for a while. Julez is from out of town but comes to Richmond a bunch. She talks a ton about meeting up when she's in Richmond but haven't been able to set something up. I think she ends up finding someone who is willing to pay more to hang out with her than me but I've got plenty of others that I don't pursue her too hard.

[EasyBran]

Never thought of the using the debugging tools like that. Ofc. I'm not a web developer like you.

I'm a programmer, and I spend a good portion of my time doing web development. I've noted that SA has been rewriting portions of their site from a traditional "click link, wait for server return the new page" style to a "single-page application" approach. Turns out that due to some rather silly programming choices on their part, it's actually possible to view the text content of messages even if you don't have premium time enabled.

It involves opening up your browser's "development tools" window so you can inspect the contents of the page and the data being requested, and should work in either Chrome or Firefox.

Log in to SA and go to your inbox. Right-click anywhere on the page and choose "Inspect Element". The browser's dev tools should either pop up as a separate window, or as part of the main window. Click on the "network" tab in the dev tools. Then, back in the SA inbox screen, click on a conversation.

If you go back to the "network" tab, you should see a list of all the data requests the SA page asked for from the server. One of them should look like "/ inbox? Page=1&limit=25". Click on that one. It'll show a bunch of technical details of some of the message headers.

Now, look for a tab called "Response". If you click on that, you should see a tree with sections like "status", "message", "conversation", and "metadata". Expand "conversation" "messages" "data". You should see some numbered entries, 0 and up. Those represent each of the messages in the conversation, from both of you. (Side note: the "metadata" object has a whole bunch of info that they know about your own account. Some of it is info you entered yourself, like profile info. There's also things like "payments_total", which appears to be how much you've actually ever paid SA, unread message count, whether you're in the EU, and even fields labeled "has_under_age_punishment" and "has_unacknowledged_punishment". Very interesting.)

Each message entry has a field called "body", which is the text that's shown in your inbox. If you've got premium active, it's the actual message text. If not, it's "Upgrade to read".

Here's where they did something silly. They send back the text that should be shown, but *they also send back the original text too*. So, even if the "body" field says "Upgrade to read", the "original_body" field shows the actual no-kidding message that was sent. You can inspect each of the messages that was received, and effectively read the conversation.

It's not a substitute for reading messages in the inbox as usual, but it might be helpful for anyone who gets a message when they don't have premium active and wants to peek at it without having to immediately shell out the cash to read it.

As a programmer, I can tell that there's actually a _ton_ of useful information being returned whenever you view a profile page or inbox page. It would be possible for someone to write a browser extension that either extracted some of that info from a page, or re-requested that data from the server, and did something useful with it (up to and including modifying an inbox to show all the messages without needing premium enabled). Sadly, I don't have time to work on anything like that myself. I've got a lot of other things on my plate.

Hope that helps!

[JZLizard]

Whenever you think "Damn, I love the bowl. Where else can I fun hot, young open minded pussy that craves sex that is willing to bang men twice their age when the could bed anyone they want?

Just remember, many of these gals think the same of us -- they can't believe how lucky they are to find a real man with a real job, with life experience who will treat them to a nice dinner and other fine things they can't afford for many years to come, AND knows how to give them an orgasm, enjoys going down on them and are truly interested in satisfying them before they blow their loads. Men like that any woman would be lucky to land.

20 something strugglers are insecure by nature, and they see a woman in her 30's who still looks hot, can afford nice clothes and has a nice car and condo and can go on vacations as the kind of woman SDs should be chasing, and are very excited when we choose them over the women they want to be that they THINK we want.

A couple of factors have led to the perfect storm of sugaring conditions:

1. Equal rights movement of the 70's led to more female professionals, broken families, single moms, and more deadbeat dads, a trend that seems to only grow in numbers with each decade. Absent Daddy Syndrome creates fertile ground for bumper crop of SBs. I wrote about this in a recent post.

2. Starting with millennials (up to late 30's), and getting even worse in Generation Z, is the issue Special Snowflake Syndrome, which has led to a lot of young men to believe that they are not truly adults until they are close to 30, and that its okay to live with their parents and continue to get support from them. Or, if they do strike out on their own, that they should do "what makes them happy" rather than pursue monetary success, even if what makes them happy is staying home and playing video games or tying up a man-bun and going down on the street corner to try to sell their artwork. They have plenty of porn to masturbate too, so they are in no rush to reach financial success, and often the porn addiction greatly damages their libido anyway.

All of this means that when a girl is 18-30, if she is truly smoking hot, there is not very many options in her dating circles to get excited about. Sex with an experienced, older, successful man of course gets her panties wet, especially combined with item #1 above. This doesn't mean they won't fuck guys their age, they do, but it's not what they crave or are looking for.

It's funny, because in all my dating history, I can only remember one GF that seemed to have a thing for younger men (I was younger than her at the time, she was early 30's). I used to call her "boy crazy" because while not pedo material, she seemed to like guys 5-10 years younger. Her relationship with her father was about as non-sugarbaby as you can get. He was actually her step father, and she literally worshiped the ground he walked, regularly referring to him as "her hero". She respected that he had adopted her and her sister at a young age, yet never for a moment let them feel they weren't his own. And, he was actually a strict disciplinarian. She warned me up front "Now, if you meet my Dad he's going to fill you in on a bunch of history about me and tell you to watch out because I'm not always honest. ". LOL. He tried to steer her right during her wild teenage years, yet never went overboard with punishment and at the same time never gave up showing he cared. But, because she had that fulfillment of the perfect father figure in her life, she had no use for older men as sexual partners. She really didn't care about any sort of financial support from anyone, because she always had that feeling of a strong family foundation. That is becoming more and more rare these days -- family life isn't what it used to be thanks to women entering the workforce, and legal pressure to give them every unfair advantage over the male that can possibly be dreamed up.

[Ernest Ll]

Just wondering, with such an age differnce between you and your SBs, what is your approach to connecting with them? I just find I don't have any life experiences in common with real young ladies.

Whenever you think "Damn, I love the bowl. Where else can I fun hot, young open minded pussy that craves sex that is willing to bang men twice their age when the could bed anyone they want?

Just remember, many of these gals think the same of us -- they can't believe how lucky they are to find a real man with a real job, with life experience who will treat them to a nice dinner and other fine things they can't afford for many years to come, AND knows how to give them an orgasm, enjoys going down on them and are truly interested in satisfying them before they blow their loads. Men like that any woman would be lucky to land.

20 something strugglers are insecure by nature, and they see a woman in her 30's who still looks hot, can afford nice clothes and has a nice car and condo and can go on vacations as the kind of woman SDs should be chasing, and are very excited when we choose them over the women they want to be that they THINK we want.

[Rustyshk]

This new generation has been warned about the dangers of the internet since they were 5 years old. Every time I try to ask them if they can host, they freak out on me. I used to be able to find girls that would host, but things are changing so rapidly. I did a test. I asked a 100 Rva girls if they would host, and I got 90% "No" and 10% "Maybes. " Quite a few of the girls said that they would host for another 50 -100 dollars since they were saving me money on a hotel room. I love this idea! They're happier because they're getting more money, and I'm happy because I'm not leaving any paper or video trail from a hotel. ALOT of the girls who originally said "No" changed their minds when I offered them extra. I was shocked at what an extra 50-100 would do! I found something new that is working perfectly for me. Good luck to everyone in the Sugar Bowl!

[Rustyshk]

I don't usually just meet at the hotel, usually do M&G publicly, but just happened to settle on having the SB come to the hotel. She was 21,5'2" said body average on SA. Pics showed her to look pretty, nice at the top, but only 1 further away pic of her body with no head shot in the pic and all other pics just head shots and chest. Anyway, she comes over to the hotel, room, should have been a few extra pounds and not as pretty as the pics. So anyway, decided what the hey, she started on a BJ and rimming like no other I have ever had. She was so into it! So despite, that, had a good experience, but I have learned a couple things after last night. Refining my searches and do a public M&G always first. Save time and money when it's not as advertised.

I would never ask someone over the internet to come straight to my house or hotel room unless I met them in a public place first. Even if it's just the lobby of the hotel. Most of the hotels in Richmond have at least a bar or Starbucks downstairs. If I open the door to my hotel room and let a stranger in, it's MY fault if they have a gun or a dick!