"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[SlowMo]

Gents,

Just a quick update. After a 3 week lull, activity has picked up significantly. I'm actually slightly overwhelmed with girls wanting to proceed from email to meeting rather quickly. I just don't have enough time slots. Couple of days ago I did 4 voice verification back to back.

There was this young one who didn't like one thing about my profile (I'm very candid), but was intrigued by what I had to say. We met for a drink. She is a fox. She was riveted to me for 90 minutes, but in the end wouldn't flex on her principle. After a few more emails this went dead.

There have been a couple of flakes who were enthusiastic on the first few phone calls but then would not or could not move to a M&G. Dump.

Then this girl who's online shine has quickly worn off: just another busy single mom. There's nothing wrong with that, but that wasn't exactly what the profile led one to believe. Turns out she's only available when her kids are in school, which happens to be when I work. Not sure how that's going to work out.

And recently I had a drink with this 20-something girl. She did arrive 25 min late, which pisses me off to no end because I run a tight schedule. You better believe that next time I'll schedule such that she might have to wait instead of me rushing. She is super cute, better than her pics. Seems like a hard working student. Wasn't too fond of her not maintaining eye contact for more than 1% of the time. Let's see what her feedback from our meeting was. I'm not too optimistic.

I presumably have breakfast lined up with a MILF that is pretty far out of the way. Seems cumbersome, but I want to see if she'll move to the FC more quickly. And something I have yet to figure out with a 19 yr old student who at first wanted to do steak & wine dinner before I suggested drinks or something that quick. I have no desire to be in a 90 min first date. That chick is really artsy and that's usually not my type, so I need an escape route.

Total to date after 7 weeks in the bowl:

4 M&G, 1 2nd date (BJ), 0 FC.

Spent maybe $250, half of which was on that 2nd date where I over did it a bit, live and learn.

I'm setting the bar very low gentlemen.

SM.

[VaSD1]

All these girls have agreed to my $ offer in the last few months. These are ones I never got around to, due to distance and their possible UTR status. If a UTR is close I dont hesitate. But to drive an hour to see someone you may only see once or twice is kinda too far. But I may try to see a couple of them soon anyway (or just wait for the next batch).

The only point being, there is no shortage of good looking affordable girls. And UTR is fine as long as they are GFE. And all of these say they are. BTW, I choose black and mixed girls because that is my preference, the fact that the GPS factor is much lower than with white or asian girls (and curiously latinas) is just a bonus, not the reason I target them.

If I posted the ones that would be willing for $$ you would die. They are all 9,s and 10's. Maybe next year. Are any of the ones pictured worth more than $ ? Without a trip to the FC it would be impossible to say. Which is one reason why I don't take the risk.

HWGuy. If there is ever a Sugar Daddy Hall of Fame you should be the first inductee.

[SlowMo]

All these girls have agreed to my $ offer in the last few months. These are ones I never got around to, due to distance and their possible UTR status. If a UTR is close I dont hesitate. But to drive an hour to see someone you may only see once or twice is kinda too far. But I may try to see a couple of them soon anyway (or just wait for the next batch).

The only point being, there is no shortage of good looking affordable girls. And UTR is fine as long as they are GFE. And all of these say they are. BTW, I choose black and mixed girls because that is my preference, the fact that the GPS factor is much lower than with white or asian girls (and curiously latinas) is just a bonus, not the reason I target them.

If I posted the ones that would be willing for $$ you would die. They are all 9,s and 10's. Maybe next year. Are any of the ones pictured worth more than $ ? Without a trip to the FC it would be impossible to say. Which is one reason why I don't take the risk.

Wow, I don't see any reason to go beyond the $ level. Out of curiosity, with all the dating, how do you keep your tool from chaffing? What's your "maintenance" program? One day off per week? Liberal cream usage? Powder? Massage manipulations?

[HollywoodGuy]

All these girls have agreed to my $ offer in the last few months. These are ones I never got around to, due to distance and their possible UTR status. If a UTR is close I dont hesitate. But to drive an hour to see someone you may only see once or twice is kinda too far. But I may try to see a couple of them soon anyway (or just wait for the next batch).

The only point being, there is no shortage of good looking affordable girls. And UTR is fine as long as they are GFE. And all of these say they are. BTW, I choose black and mixed girls because that is my preference, the fact that the GPS factor is much lower than with white or asian girls (and curiously latinas) is just a bonus, not the reason I target them.

If I posted the ones that would be willing for $$ you would die. They are all 9,s and 10's. Maybe next year. Are any of the ones pictured worth more than $ ? Without a trip to the FC it would be impossible to say. Which is one reason why I don't take the risk.

[HollywoodGuy]

SD-ing can sometimes be slow on the weekend. Babies got their friends, their BF's, and other stuff to do. And UTR's have their better paying clients that wait till the weekend to have fun. I have been backing down my volume for the last 3 months and I am ready to just go for it again. Tonite I am not taking any chances though and will see my MILF about 9 tonite. After that if I have any energy left I may try to see a far away girl because I will already be halfway there and she has been very attentive with the txting. She is a little thick but I am always more forgiving when they are young, and she just turned 18 last month. Also she has me convinced that she is from a middle class family and still lives with her parents.

A super hottie (bathing suit) txted me and said she could be interested. I was thinking this has to be TGTBT, so I txted her a little and maybe I got through to her on some emotional level because she said my offer was a joke but she liked my vibe. She is a little older (25) 5,3" so maybe I get lucky who knows, but I am gonna pick up the pace a little from now till xmas. If the economy keeps picking up as well then next year is gonna be a blast.

[FredMoore]

If your great SB is looking for a little extra, please share. I know where you are coming from with the variety comment which I find the hardest part of the SD / SB arrangement.

I agree with both concepts True SB vs UTR. There is an UTR thread separate from this one for hard core reporting. I have received referrals from valued friends here and I appreciate it. I have an UTR right now I see for $. 5 who is SBish. I don't think she is seeing others right now, and turned to SA to pay a debt which she has been able to do. If any of us identify an UTR needing a few contacts I want to hear about it please. But then again no need to ask. The SD will offer the contact if he wants to help his SB. Some SDs can not afford the monthly nut to keep an SB solvent and out of trouble, and would rather enrol his brothers to help keep her in play rather than lose her to the street.

[JZLizard]

It is just the opposite!. The DOM (being the female here) force you to submit to HER whims with your finances. And not necessarily for our kind of play either. They just dominate YOUR fin aces. Yeah. Glad that is not MY fetish!

I know what she meant, it's just the irony of what she thinks she is entitled to compared to her skill in expressing what she wants via language that's so hilarious.

"Financial domination" sounds to a thinking man like something only slightly less desirable than "financial devastation", and very far on the other side of the spectrum of "financial freedom", so anytime sometime finds themselves requesting it, they should probably just stick to sucking cock.

It's kind of funny, I routinely look at the FB page of some of my former SBs, or former fuck partners that had delusions of being in charge of something one day in their lives. So many of them post feminist rants. Not so much the fuck buddies (some of those were great women) but many of the SBs do. I guess we could label it it the "Belle Knox" syndrome (if you don't know who that is, it's the Duke University student that majors in feminist studies, yet simultaneously does porn shoots where she is being pissed on, spit on, choked, gagged with cock etc. Then explains that it is an expression of her feminist rights to submit herself to all of this, supposedly making men look stupid in the process because they fail to understand the irony).

Like I said, female logic.

They can feel in power all they want as long as they suck cock good enough and take the load without gagging. If that's a sign of female domination then sign me up.

[FeelGoodMd]

Its been said here before, but looking for referrals in the sugar baby world is only muddying the waters, making it harder to find what you're really looking for (UTR escorts) and making it harder for SDs to find real SBs and vice versa. A real SB will never hook up with a referral contact, and an SD should ALWAYS select his SBs based on his own attraction preferences.

I'm not knocking UTR activity at all. Sometimes I wish I had a solid network for it, simply because true SB dating is a lot of time and effort. But I wish folks would quit coming here trying to swap SBs at the trading post because it is completely missing the point.

Thank you for saying what a lot of us are thinking, Jeez.

[JZLizard]

If your great SB is looking for a little extra, please share. I know where you are coming from with the variety comment which I find the hardest part of the SD / SB arrangement.

Its been said here before, but looking for referrals in the sugar baby world is only muddying the waters, making it harder to find what you're really looking for (UTR escorts) and making it harder for SDs to find real SBs and vice versa. A real SB will never hook up with a referral contact, and an SD should ALWAYS select his SBs based on his own attraction preferences.

I'm not knocking UTR activity at all. Sometimes I wish I had a solid network for it, simply because true SB dating is a lot of time and effort. But I wish folks would quit coming here trying to swap SBs at the trading post because it is completely missing the point.

[Mlboriole]

I didn't get that offer. I think I was one of the first out of the gate, so she is sharpening her manipulation skills since then it seems. I would offer to allow the suckoff video as long as I can do my own fucking vid. I sure would like to meat that little hottie !

As long a some guys don't accept that manipulation she will have to entertain herself as a pen pal with a bunch of horny old guys .


I have a great SB at $. 5 and she acts like she cares about me and is an enthusiastic lover in every way. The problem is I need variety. I wish I could be happy with one girl but you all know where I am coming from. I need more available unsupervised time and more money. There is never enough of either unfortunately.

If your great SB is looking for a little extra, please share. I know where you are coming from with the variety comment which I find the hardest part of the SD / SB arrangement.

[DirtyDeeds38]

I don't think this update really even belongs here in the sense that it's just off the grid, off the chart. Other then perhaps to let my fellow SD's know it's out there. The rare gem of gems. The girl I've been seeing for 6 weeks now, has forever changed the blood that courses through me. We have sex that no penthouse article porn director, or mush filled romance novel writer could ever possible dream up. It's just plain fucking off the fucking grid. I need to get back in better shape. This girl can't get enough of me, nor I her.

Keep looking, be a little creative and you too can find the right one. Last night, I tied her up to the back of the bed, made her use a vibrator on her clit while she took my cock in her mouth and came over and over, only stopping to beg me to fuck her. And when I finally untied her, it was 90 minutes of the hardest cum drenched fucking of my life. We literally are covered in love bruises and scratches. Crazy, crazy sex! She's 21, petite, beautiful, and she can't get enough. She's now dropping the love word on me. Might be time to cut a run, but my addiction to her won't allow it!

[JZLizard]

I hadn't thought of it quite like that, Jeez. My second thoughts are diminishing as I write this. Even though there is no way I would have allowed my face to be seen in the video (I would have been holding the phone) I'm sure my voice would've been audible.

And she WAS wearing a blue dress, so DNA could have been trouble, too. .

Yeah, starting to sound like a Lewinsky and Linda Tripp scam. The first thing that struck me about it as being implausible was that she would be doing this to please her umm -lesbian lover. Doesn't add up.

[FredMoore]

There was a curious twist to the encounter that I didn't mention in my last post. She asked if I'd videotape her sucking me off.
The limits, the thought of being used to meet the demands of another Dom, and the "no sex today" qualification led me to take a pass. I've had second thoughts, but. Just too much of a mind fuck for me to go through with that.

I didn't get that offer. I think I was one of the first out of the gate, so she is sharpening her manipulation skills since then it seems. I would offer to allow the suckoff video as long as I can do my own fucking vid. I sure would like to meat that little hottie !

As long a some guys don't accept that manipulation she will have to entertain herself as a pen pal with a bunch of horny old guys .


I have a great SB at $. 5 and she acts like she cares about me and is an enthusiastic lover in every way. The problem is I need variety. I wish I could be happy with one girl but you all know where I am coming from. I need more available unsupervised time and more money. There is never enough of either unfortunately.

[FeelGoodMd]

Not only is that a mind fuck but sounds like a setup ploy for future extortion attempts....

Letting her have video / photos like that would be relinquishing control and that's never turned out well for any SD.

I hadn't thought of it quite like that, Jeez. My second thoughts are diminishing as I write this. Even though there is no way I would have allowed my face to be seen in the video (I would have been holding the phone) I'm sure my voice would've been audible.

And she WAS wearing a blue dress, so DNA could have been trouble, too. .

[JZLizard]

I told her no way no how would I meet in public, so we met at a hotel instead. I promised her $80 on WYP, so I was out that and the cost of the room. Expensive (re-) learning experience. After two years I should definitely know better. Shame on me!

I don't know whether I'm relieved or disappointed that I'm not the only sucker this has happened to. I left her pleasantly, so hopefully she'll be back in touch when reality strikes, but if not. Que sera sera.

There was a curious twist to the encounter that I didn't mention in my last post. She asked if I'd videotape her sucking me off. Initially the thought appealed, then the "conditions" came out. It was to be on her phone, and she wouldn't email me a copy. She was doing it at the request of an older girl she knew in town, and the way she described their relationship it sounded very the / s (she told me out front she's bi).

The limits, the thought of being used to meet the demands of another Dom, and the "no sex today" qualification led me to take a pass. I've had second thoughts, but. Just too much of a mind fuck for me to go through with that.

Not only is that a mind fuck but sounds like a setup ploy for future extortion attempts.

Rule #1: Daddy is in control. Not some of the time, not 99% of the time. All of the time.

Letting her have video / photos like that would be relinquishing control and that's never turned out well for any SD.