"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[GeorgeRichmond]

I always pay after the deed is done and pay is performance-based, but for those who have ever advanced sugar and not received any in return, I'd report her to the site you met her on, indicating the theft (that's what it is, theft). Even if you don't report her, send her a note letting her know you're going to report her as a pro that's ripping people off. If nothing else it might make her think twice before she does it to someone else, or at least maybe she'll take her game to BP or somewhere outside the SD scene where thievery has no place.

I totally agree. Like the "Hannah" vcu student...totally thief.I learned lesson...now I only pay after it. Though I make mistake and get bought by SB on their stories. Recently gave allowance for just M&G with a promise that never came true.

So there are are more SBs who are asking for M&G money and now that will be turned down. I have lost the faith...

[JZLizard]

I always pay after the deed is done and pay is performance-based, but for those who have ever advanced sugar and not received any in return, I'd report her to the site you met her on, indicating the theft (that's what it is, theft). Even if you don't report her, send her a note letting her know you're going to report her as a pro that's ripping people off. If nothing else it might make her think twice before she does it to someone else, or at least maybe she'll take her game to BP or somewhere outside the SD scene where thievery has no place.

[HollywoodGuy]

I agree with you, but my reasoning for your question, "Why they give up the future prospect of $s to score a short time $ I will never understand, but we don't think the same." is because they can spread their legs and another will take your place! I am in the same boat with you, most of the time that I have advanced money, I got burned.

For me I would say every time. I really can not think of one time I have ever gotten back a penny. Live and learn. Thats why I love this site. Glad I will never be the next d sterling. Although when I started out big time, I had the big time money. Got burned plenty. Then came the recession which forced me to up my game. It's still going up. Thanks.

[Dirty Dingus]

My FB has rinsed me of $ I am 100 % on all advances over $ . After 1 month I am giving it up on her. I am cured of the delusion that these babies are honorable. If they are Nando 1 s and want advances then dollars to donuts they are looking to scam you. If you give them enough to walk, even short time, then they will. They can't help it. Then they are too ashamed to come back even if the door is open. Why they give up the future prospect of $s to score a short time $ I will never understand, but we don't think the same.

If single I would emulate Hollywood. 100% ! I like being by myself until I want company. So hire a hottie. Hmmm, sounds like a catchy name for an escort or Sugar site. Hire a Hottie dot something. You entrepreneurs can have that name. The thing is, as other brothers have alluded to. There is no way a 60 + yr old can gain access to a 20 + yr old without sugar involved, period. Well, back to the drawing board to find a new FB.

I agree with you, but my reasoning for your question, "Why they give up the future prospect of $s to score a short time $ I will never understand, but we don't think the same." is because they can spread their legs and another will take your place! I am in the same boat with you, most of the time that I have advanced money, I got burned.

[FredMoore]

My FB has rinsed me of $ I am 100 % on all advances over $ . After 1 month I am giving it up on her. I am cured of the delusion that these babies are honorable. If they are Nando 1 s and want advances then dollars to donuts they are looking to scam you. If you give them enough to walk, even short time, then they will. They can't help it. Then they are too ashamed to come back even if the door is open. Why they give up the future prospect of $s to score a short time $ I will never understand, but we don't think the same.

If single I would emulate Hollywood. 100% ! I like being by myself until I want company. So hire a hottie. Hmmm, sounds like a catchy name for an escort or Sugar site. Hire a Hottie dot something. You entrepreneurs can have that name. The thing is, as other brothers have alluded to. There is no way a 60 + yr old can gain access to a 20 + yr old without sugar involved, period. Well, back to the drawing board to find a new FB.

[SkinJr]

I have a m / g today with a 21 year old spinner Latina. She seems to be a legit student as she says needing tuition money. She has been very reserved on texts and is cautious about meeting. Wants to be very discreet. We are meeting at 1 to casually talk and see "what happens".

The only problem; she is married. Hmmm.

The absolute smoke 22 year old in Myrtle Beach emails me every day. We are constantly talking about meeting when I get in the area. She seems legit by talking to her. But I just assume as hot as she is and the fact that she use to model this is a common thing for her.

[Rouleur]

What percentage do you guys civi date vs sugar date. For me its 100% sugar. I mean really, at 60 where am I going to hook-up with any kinky 18 to 22 year olds (or any age for that matter). And yes I have read some very interesting approaches to doing that. But they don't work for a old school desk jockey, new school internet geek like me.

Maybe my perspective will change in time but, as a Man just months out of a 24 year marriage, I don't see ever going to civi dating. I'm 56 and in decent shape. I am truly amazed how old women my age range look! I've never been someone who could fck a personality. I need old fashioned physical attraction and I'm not seeing that in my decade. By the way my Ex is 40 so I was a bit spoiled in some ways these last 24 years.

Despite my rough start, I am sure that the SD / SB life is the one for me.

[FotoGuy1970]

What percentage do you guys civi date vs sugar date. For me its 100% sugar. I mean really, at 60 where am I going to hook-up with any kinky 18 to 22 year olds (or any age for that matter). And yes I have read some very interesting approaches to doing that. But they don't work for a old school desk jockey, new school internet geek like me.

100% sugar dating for me. I have zero interest in traditional long-term relationships.

[JZLizard]

I guess what I meant was. What percentage outside the SO relationship if you have one. So in your case I guess 100% of the time.

Oh. In that case, yes when straying from the SO relationship I would be 100% SD. Although I did sign up for a couple of civy sites this past season, but I made clear in my profile that I was looking for an SB, and that does not attract much action on civy sites. The one exception might be POF, which makes it easier than most civy sites to hit up the disproportionately young POTS. I did not bang anyone I met on POF but to be honest that was mostly because in only one month out of the year, all the girls "look new", and just keeping up with the ones on the SB sites are a chore, so no time or energy left for POF. I have met some good younger, free fuck buddies on POF in the past that were looking to date but probably would have been open to SD / SB under the right conditions. Just a matter of casting a wide net -- as they say like sex itself, the more you put in the more you get out. Invest time in POF and you'll get some good stuff but it may take more emails.

The basic issue with civy sites is that they are designed to produce matches, so unless the girl specifies she has an open upper age range (and some of them do, its just that they seem rare compared to on the SB sites), you'll find the pickings slim. This of course becomes increasingly disadvantageous as you get older, assuming you enter your real age. I usually try to shave a few years off my age in my profile and I explain it to them later. I will probably shave more years off as I get older as long as I can physically get away with it.

[HollywoodGuy]

I'm not 32 anymore but I can tell you that hooking up with 18-22 year olds in the civy world is tough even at that age, because you're competing with every horny prick that's between 18 and 40 for the same piece of ass even if you are in your early 30's!. And, in the civy world they are looking at the dude with the same scrutiny we would be looking at a long-term partner, the only difference in the male vs. Female perspective being that if we see them as having no future potential, we ask ourselves "well are they at least fuckable?" while in the civy world, if you have no future potential to them, you're excluded as early as possible.

I can never remember a time in civy dating where I didn't have to be constantly on the hunt. SD'ing is different because once there is money on the table, there's always some young thing that needs to pay the bills, or is a closet pro, or whatever.

In civy dating you don't try for young hotties once you're over a certain age. You do find them sometimes if you're in good shape and attractive for your age, but you are thankful when you find something good that's in the 10-15 year younger range. You can detect them on the civy sites by their desired specified age range, but for the most part they are few and far between. Sometimes you encounter a real treat that makes all the hunting and legwork worthwhile. Honestly once they get over 30 anything is possible because their clock is ticking loud to them at that point, so if you find a good 30-35 year old sometimes you get your nuts rocked in ways these SBs cannot compare to. Yet, if you date them it won't last much longer, especially if you're like me and you have no intention of having kids so the load is going either in their mouth, on their tits, in their hair or if things get really bad onto your keyboard. Some of the best pussy you get in the 28-35 range is from single moms who want a baby daddy and to me that sounds a lot like sugar daddy but with emotional obligations as well as financial.

What you're really looking for in civy dating is (ideally) a satisfying long term partner, but knowing how elusive that is, you're looking to get the best possible free sex (well, it always costs doesn't it? Dinner, etc).

In my case I like having someone to spend time with each evening that doesn't drive me crazy, so if I were single right now I would be looking for a partner first, sexual satisfaction second. It would be great to find an ideal companion to spend time with just hanging out, watching TV or movies, dining, etc that also rocks my world sexually and leaves me uninterested in outside encounters, but I find that unrealistic in my case. I just crave variety so it doesn't seem possible. In the big scheme of things I actually feel somewhat proud of the fact that I only become an SD when my GF travels overseas to visit with her family. I'm faithful the rest of the time and probably wouldn't misbehave if she didn't leave me alone. My mind works in creative ways when I'm alone.

So, how as far as % time spent civy, I think it depends on how much you prefer a partner / companion compared to just sex. The variety is addictive, but of course the difference is that if you get sick tomorrow your partner will at least shed a tear and drive you to surgery, whereas the SBs won't have anything to do with you once they know the ATM machine is out of order. It just comes down to individual priorities. I'd love to have more months out of the year to do the SB thing but no matter how much we have there's never enough, so I try to appreciate what I have now and not get greedy.

I guess what I meant was. What percentage outside the SO relationship if you have one. So in your case I guess 100% of the time.

[JZLizard]

What percentage do you guys civi date vs sugar date. For me its 100% sugar. I mean really, at 60 where am I going to hook-up with any kinky 18 to 22 year olds (or any age for that matter). And yes I have read some very interesting approaches to doing that. But they don't work for a old school desk jockey, new school internet geek like me.

I'm not 32 anymore but I can tell you that hooking up with 18-22 year olds in the civy world is tough even at that age, because you're competing with every horny prick that's between 18 and 40 for the same piece of ass even if you are in your early 30's!. And, in the civy world they are looking at the dude with the same scrutiny we would be looking at a long-term partner, the only difference in the male vs. Female perspective being that if we see them as having no future potential, we ask ourselves "well are they at least fuckable?" while in the civy world, if you have no future potential to them, you're excluded as early as possible.

I can never remember a time in civy dating where I didn't have to be constantly on the hunt. SD'ing is different because once there is money on the table, there's always some young thing that needs to pay the bills, or is a closet pro, or whatever. SD'ing is easier and more satisfying short-term. Civy dating is needed only if I don't have someone, and would like to not live the rest of life (outside the bed) alone and/or hopefully have someone around when I'm 90.

In civy dating you don't try for young hotties once you're over a certain age. You do find them sometimes if you're in good shape and attractive for your age, but you are thankful when you find something good that's in the 10-15 year younger range. You can detect them on the civy sites by their desired specified age range, but for the most part they are few and far between. Sometimes you encounter a real treat that makes all the hunting and legwork worthwhile. Honestly once they get over 30 anything is possible because their clock is ticking loud to them at that point, so if you find a good 30-35 year old sometimes you get your nuts rocked in ways these SBs cannot compare to. Yet, if you date them it won't last much longer, especially if you're like me and you have no intention of having kids so the load is going either in their mouth, on their tits, in their hair or if things get really bad onto your keyboard. Some of the best pussy you get in the 28-35 range is from single moms who want a baby daddy and to me that sounds a lot like sugar daddy but with emotional obligations as well as financial.

What you're really looking for in civy dating is (ideally) a satisfying long term partner, but knowing how elusive that is, you're looking to get the best possible free sex (well, it always costs doesn't it? Dinner, etc).

In my case I like having someone to spend time with each evening that doesn't drive me crazy, so if I were single right now I would be looking for a partner first, sexual satisfaction second. It would be great to find an ideal companion to spend time with just hanging out, watching TV or movies, dining, etc that also rocks my world sexually and leaves me uninterested in outside encounters, but I find that unrealistic in my case. I just crave variety so it doesn't seem possible. In the big scheme of things I actually feel somewhat proud of the fact that I only become an SD when my GF travels overseas to visit with her family. I'm faithful the rest of the time and probably wouldn't misbehave if she didn't leave me alone. My mind works in creative ways when I'm alone. The formula that seems to be working for me is a largely satisfying, "meaningful" relationship 11 months out of the year and then 1 month out of the year where I travel everywhere within a 6 hour radius fucking everything I can

So, how as far as % time spent civy, I think it depends on how much you prefer a partner / companion compared to just sex. The variety is addictive, but of course the difference is that if you get sick tomorrow your partner will at least shed a tear and drive you to surgery, whereas the SBs won't have anything to do with you once they know the ATM machine is out of order. It just comes down to individual priorities. I'd love to have more months out of the year to do the SB thing but no matter how much we have there's never enough, so I try to appreciate what I have now and not get greedy.

[HollywoodGuy]

Maybe I am doing something very wrong, but I do not need excel to keep it organized. I am a relative newbe too. I have found if you don't meet within a week of first contact you are toast? After first meet if no FC within a week forget about it. Should I save "could if beens" for future contact? I looking for quality, not quantity- does that change the approach?

For example: I was heading to ATL today from TN. Planed SB has been flaking lately. Sent out some requests on WYP. Had a response and planned a dinner meet and greet. 21 first day on WYP really excited about the SD thing. No FC but nice make out session by her car. FC scheduled for Thursday. If no Thursday I move on. If no Thursday, should contact info be saved? When would you make contact again?

A lot of these girls will hit you up a week, a month even a year later. I save every girls info I have had physical contact with. Thats a lot of girls. Also have at least 10 POTS at any given moment and maybe 7 different ones I hook up with a month. So it helps. And I dont like them all in my contacts on my phone. Too many horror stories of lost or damaged phones.

[Dolato]

Maybe I am doing something very wrong, but I do not need excel to keep it organized. I am a relative newbe too. I have found if you don't meet within a week of first contact you are toast? After first meet if no FC within a week forget about it. Should I save "could if beens" for future contact? I looking for quality, not quantity- does that change the approach?

For example: I was heading to ATL today from TN. Planed SB has been flaking lately. Sent out some requests on WYP. Had a response and planned a dinner meet and greet. 21 first day on WYP really excited about the SD thing. No FC but nice make out session by her car. FC scheduled for Thursday. If no Thursday I move on. If no Thursday, should contact info be saved? When would you make contact again?

I'm sure it's different for everyone. I follow Hollywood's suggestion to play the numbers game. I send out alot of messages and keep track of the ones that respond back. I keep the details for the sake of prioritizing and convenience. If they fall through I move them over to another tab and just keep the active ones on the main tab.

I may send out a text / email to some that didn't FC if I think there's a possibility after they've dealt with some idiots / jerks. I had one that I was able to take to the FC by following up, so that keeps me thinking it can happen again.

[CaneBay]

Maybe I am doing something very wrong, but I do not need excel to keep it organized. I am a relative newbe too. I have found if you don't meet within a week of first contact you are toast? After first meet if no FC within a week forget about it. Should I save "could if beens" for future contact? I looking for quality, not quantity- does that change the approach?

For example: I was heading to ATL today from TN. Planed SB has been flaking lately. Sent out some requests on WYP. Had a response and planned a dinner meet and greet. 21 first day on WYP really excited about the SD thing. No FC but nice make out session by her car. FC scheduled for Thursday. If no Thursday I move on. If no Thursday, should contact info be saved? When would you make contact again?

[HollywoodGuy]

What percentage do you guys civi date vs sugar date. For me its 100% sugar. I mean really, at 60 where am I going to hook-up with any kinky 18 to 22 year olds (or any age for that matter). And yes I have read some very interesting approaches to doing that. But they don't work for a old school desk jockey, new school internet geek like me.