"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**FredMoore** · 09-17-13 11:45

Originally Posted by KrustyDawg7 [View Original Post]

Hi all,

All that being said, I have had a nice SB for several months but like so many girls it is one problem after another, and most of them requiring more funds. Meanwhile the sex is infrequent and not very exciting. Now, I am a guy over 50 and unlike some of you younger ones who seem to be on the prowl 24/7, I take life a bit easier and it doesn't take as much to keep me happy, but it really bothers me that a girl will not do the minimum to keep her SD happy. I can see that if this keeps up I'll have to move on which is sad because in other ways she is a great companion. My mistake probably was getting talked into a substantial allowance before I had a clear idea of her sex drive. It seems to me that a lot of the SD / SB relationships fall apart after a while because SB keeps pushing for more but comes up with endless excuses to provide less. Given my somewhat limited experience with a few SB's my advice is to start out on a nominal amount each time you get together, even if it starts out with some civi dates, and avoid the trap of an allowance like a monthly lump sum. It will end up almost like you are married, except luckily you can still walk-Krusty.

Hey Dawg! You have what is known in the biz as ____ an SO or wife. We all (mostly) have them now or have had them before. Guess why we are her in the Sugar Bowl. LOL That was obviously a rhetorical question.

A couple of important points here :

1) Pay as you go so your damage is limited.

Most of us who have been here long enough have lost money by being stiffed, blown off, or scammed. My recent loss amounted to $$.5, not insubstantial but one I can easily blow off as a lesson well learned (again). If you go on the SA Blog all of the SBs there seem to disdain PTP (Pay To Play ). The girls say they feel like hookers by getting cash in the pocketbook (well?) Some of you smoother guys do re loadable Debit Cards or other sweet and sensitive gifts, etc. I have always slipped cash in their Jeans pocket or purse and have never had anyone harrumph about being degraded.

2) Expect performance.

Don't ever forget you are the employer and she is not doing you a favor, she is working for you at the moment. Many of us, myself included, try to make this game more of an emotional experience because it does make it more fun and rewarding. An absolute MUST is that you get the sexual reward that we are seeking. If you aren't making it clear to her what your expectation is then the slight is on you, not her. She will get away with what she can. A couple of examples from my play book : My ATF #3, a 10 across the board told me after I arrived one day that she was on her period and wasn't in the mood for sex. Well, I wasn't in the mood for paying but since I liked her so much I let it slide but made it clear that I wasn't happy and would not be coming when she wasn't in the mood. The next visit she dragged me back to the BR and gave me a rousing BBBJ. We then went to dinner and came back for the piece de resistance and I banged her brains out to rousing screams and groans. To boot she offered another free visit to make up for the loss. Next time she was on her period we didn't miss a beat. Now I know some of you are grossed out by dipping in the pool during that time of the month, but I actually love it and it turns me on. Plus things are all sloppy wet and you slip into all holes easily. A second example involved Bare Back. My SB #2 at the moment insisted on covered and I did not want that with her. She said "no sex" and I said no sugar. Bareback happened. So speak up for yourself.

3) Set a reasonable limit and stick to it.

GPS is everywhere. Hey! IF you pay me $5000 I will blow you LOL. Hollywood seems to have achieved the best CPO of anyone. Big Tigg cums in head to head. When the little head is in the forefront we do things that we regret later. Work it all out beforehand.

4) Get it straight where a SB fits into your life.

Leave the SO and wife mentality at home. Never forget (I do all the time) This is a business for most of these girls. They don't love us, they love our Money and the lifestyle we afford them.

**Spitfire** · 09-17-13 08:59

Originally Posted by KrustyDawg7 [View Original Post]

Hi all,

Appreciate the discussion here. However need some help with abbreviations "POT" and GPS" I can't quite figure out.

POT = POTential Sugar Baby.

GPS = Golden Pussy Syndrome. A girl who thinks her pussy is worth more $ than it actually is.

**HollywoodGuy** · 09-16-13 23:14

Originally Posted by Smokarz_XO [View Original Post]

So after almost a year of chasing a sweet young girl's tails, I am finally close to my destination.

Been txting with this 18yr little spinner, and our date is set for tomorrow at the FC. So, she looks extremely low maintenance for now. All it will cost me tomorrow is the room, and $40 for her cab fares to get to / from the room.

She only needed some new shoes and have her hair done once a month. And may be few dollars here and there (her words). Not sure how that 'few dollars' will turn out, and I made it clear to her that if she constantly bugs me every week with 'requests', then this is over before she knows it, and she promised she's not that type of girl. But she likes to shop at Forever 21 for clothes, and Walmart for makeups. This is the first time ever, I've talk a girl that like to shop at those places instead of Nordstrom, Armani Exchange, etc.

I'll post update after tomorrow. So far, everything seems locked for the 'date', but you never really know until you've bagged it.

She looks nice. Good luck

**KrustyDawg7** · 09-16-13 22:51

Hi all,

Appreciate the discussion here. However need some help with abbreviations "POT" and GPS" I can't quite figure out. These abbreviations dealing with SB activities should be added to the list here. Now, I also had a scare about a SB finding out my handle on this site. Stupidly I used the same handle as one of my email accounts, and I found that if you GOOG your user name here, it will bring up your posts, even without signing in! I recently made a new user name that I use only here.

All that being said, I have had a nice SB for several months but like so many girls it is one problem after another, and most of them requiring more funds. Meanwhile the sex is infrequent and not very exciting. Now, I am a guy over 50 and unlike some of you younger ones who seem to be on the prowl 24/7, I take life a bit easier and it doesn't take as much to keep me happy, but it really bothers me that a girl will not do the minimum to keep her SD happy. I can see that if this keeps up I'll have to move on which is sad because in other ways she is a great companion. My mistake probably was getting talked into a substantial allowance before I had a clear idea of her sex drive. It seems to me that a lot of the SD / SB relationships fall apart after a while because SB keeps pushing for more but comes up with endless excuses to provide less. Given my somewhat limited experience with a few SB's my advice is to start out on a nominal amount each time you get together, even if it starts out with some civi dates, and avoid the trap of an allowance like a monthly lump sum. It will end up almost like you are married, except luckily you can still walk-Krusty.

Originally Posted by TravelinSD [View Original Post]

Thanks for the welcome back Scottie! It's totally stupid and embarrassing. My user name on here was a derivative of my play email address which we communicated with. She simply dug far enough in Google to find my posts here. When I met her I was in my "everything up front" phase in initial meetings. I would pretty much lay out all that I had done. I kind of used it as a litmus test to see if a potential SB could handle it. She could and was open enough to tell me she already pretty much knew everything from my posts on here. She's amazingly beautiful and very sharp and intelligent. It turned out to be a pretty interesting relationship which I believe has just recently faded. I'll cover her when I post my recent and current exploits. Bottom line here is "Be careful in your naming practices!"

**TravelinSD** · 09-16-13 20:54

Thanks for the welcome back Scottie! It's totally stupid and embarrassing. My user name on here was a derivative of my play email address which we communicated with. She simply dug far enough in Google to find my posts here. When I met her I was in my "everything up front" phase in initial meetings. I would pretty much lay out all that I had done. I kind of used it as a litmus test to see if a potential SB could handle it. She could and was open enough to tell me she already pretty much knew everything from my posts on here. She's amazingly beautiful and very sharp and intelligent. It turned out to be a pretty interesting relationship which I believe has just recently faded. I'll cover her when I post my recent and current exploits. Bottom line here is "Be careful in your naming practices!"

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

Hey there Brother Travelin,

Just out of curiosity, how did that baby find out your name on the board, and what did she do when confronting you? I've made some near-slips myself with babies when talking about the Bowl, and if she or I have friends who know about our activities, and would love to know how close to the edge I can get without screwing up.

Eager to hear your tales, and sorry about the divorce.

Scott

**F Scott** · 09-16-13 16:47

Originally Posted by TravelinSD [View Original Post]

Hi everyone! I posted a fair amount about my SB experiences back in the spring of 2012. I got busy and stopped for a while, then I had an industrious POT ferret out my membership on this board. Boy was THAT a stupendously stupid leak in security. I'm not married (at least anymore, LOL) so it didn't matter to me from a blackmail or spouse or SO finding out, but still made me feel uncomfortable posting after that.

Hey there Brother Travelin,

Just out of curiosity, how did that baby find out your name on the board, and what did she do when confronting you? I've made some near-slips myself with babies when talking about the Bowl, and if she or I have friends who know about our activities, and would love to know how close to the edge I can get without screwing up.

Eager to hear your tales, and sorry about the divorce.

Scott

**Member #5570** · 09-16-13 15:21

Originally Posted by Walruscl [View Original Post]

Movie? What movie?

LMAO. Exactly

**Walruscl** · 09-16-13 13:49

Originally Posted by Smokarz_XO [View Original Post]

Brother, you just enjoyed the best movie in your life. .

This truly bring back memories.

Movie? What movie?

**Member #5570** · 09-16-13 13:44

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

. If the girls are constantly on there and checking the site everyday they are usually lining up a string.

LOL. I just recently decided to send a msg to POT that I've contacted 8-10 months ago on SD4M, and I was a little shock how fast these girls got to the UTR / Pro line.

When I first contacted her, she was still fresh on the site, I offer $ a date and she was more than thrilled and keep asking me when I could come see her. It never happened, because I simply didn't have the time to travel to her.

Well, out of the blue and I guess being bored on a Friday afternoon I've decuded to send her a msg seeing she was online at the time. We made some small talks, and then I offered her 500-600 a month, and guess what she responded with?"I can see you once a month for that". LMAO.

She claimed she had guys giving her 1500 a month, and all on a lump sum. Obviously, I called it BS, but just the mentality surprised me quite a bit. Just like a SW, these girls hardened up real quick and picked up the GPS even quicker, if they're in the game long enough. The reality is, like many of you guys already have said. The key is to hit these girls up and bagged them as soon as they hit the bowl.

I had a good laugh, and wish her luck.

**TravelinSD** · 09-16-13 13:44

Hi everyone! I posted a fair amount about my SB experiences back in the spring of 2012. I got busy and stopped for a while, then I had an industrious POT ferret out my membership on this board. Boy was THAT a stupendously stupid leak in security. I'm not married (at least anymore, LOL) so it didn't matter to me from a blackmail or spouse or SO finding out, but still made me feel uncomfortable posting after that. I'm sure she's not still checking up on me, so I've decided to jump back into the fray and Jackson was good enough to allow for a change in name to give me a "fresh" start. To those that have been on the board for awhile you may remember me as the first 3 letters of a large city in GA combined with what Ringo was for the Beatles. Here's the Reader's Digest version of how I started in this world:

Boy meets girl.

Boy marries girl.

Sex stops.

Boy meets escorts.

Boy decides to find SB.

Boy meets escort that turns into SB.

Boy and SB happy for a year.

Wife finds out.

Wife divorces boy.

SB dumps boy.

Boy turns to SA and SDFM.

That was 20 months ago. Since then I've been on a wild ride in this world of ours and have experienced joy and frustration and the highest highs and the lowest lows. I've met some incredible women one of which has turned into a close friend and I've met some of the best actresses and scam artists you could imagine. I found this board early on in my journey and read every post from the beginning and have continued reading every post up until now. The depth and breadth of experience on this thread amazes me. It's helped so much along the way and I hope to add to it again.

That's it for now. I'll give my current status of babies and relate some harrowing tales in my upcoming posts.

It's good to be back,

Travelin

**Member #5570** · 09-16-13 13:36

Originally Posted by Walruscl [View Original Post]

S.

Thus the trips into the time machine continue-I have now officially been given a blow job in a movie theater

Brother, you just enjoyed the best movie in your life. .

This truly bring back memories.

**Member #5570** · 09-16-13 13:28

So after almost a year of chasing a sweet young girl's tails, I am finally close to my destination.

Been txting with this 18yr little spinner, and our date is set for tomorrow at the FC. So, she looks extremely low maintenance for now. All it will cost me tomorrow is the room, and $40 for her cab fares to get to / from the room.

She only needed some new shoes and have her hair done once a month. And may be few dollars here and there (her words). Not sure how that 'few dollars' will turn out, and I made it clear to her that if she constantly bugs me every week with 'requests', then this is over before she knows it, and she promised she's not that type of girl. But she likes to shop at Forever 21 for clothes, and Walmart for makeups. This is the first time ever, I've talk a girl that like to shop at those places instead of Nordstrom, Armani Exchange, etc.

I'll post update after tomorrow. So far, everything seems locked for the 'date', but you never really know until you've bagged it.

**FredMoore** · 09-16-13 12:40

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1875666]This is for the newbies on SD4M that are curious about the UTR designation. These are all girls I have messaged at some point that were either UTR or Pro. I saw a few for $. Didn't see a few because they were $$ or more. All of them had a set amount to go straight to the FC. No real SB's in here. The top group are UTR. The bottom group are pros. Maybe from looking at these you can see an obvious pattern. Most are AA, because thats what I like. I could ad 20 more profiles but I think this is enough to get the point across.

UTR.

Excellent point Hollywood. Common threads are 3, at least for SDFM. 1) SD age desired is (any) 0 to 90; 2) Total access member; and 3) have 9 pics available to see.

SA is harder to guess but they are usually on the site for years. Naifs frequently delete their profile after 6 to 12 months. If the girls are constantly on there and checking the site everyday they are usually lining up a string.

**Nostra3** · 09-16-13 11:50

Originally Posted by BigTigger [View Original Post]

I wholeheartedly agree. I've been amazed at the quality of good women out here in the suga world. Now I will dip below the 8s and 9s every now and then but usually they turn out to be great in bed. This is why I didn't understand Nostra who just wants to get in the GPS pants, but "hey" to each his own. I've literally been trying to scale back because my life is busier and I have a hard time saying "no". I've always been only willing to go up to about $.5 per meeting, but in many cases. Once the chemistry is there and you are giving them multiple ogasms, the money becomes less of an issue.

I definitely understand where everyone is coming from. I do want an SD / SB relationship and I actually consider a transactional only relationship to be not what I am looking for. However, I guess what I was saying was that at point where we were in the conversation I had decided this was not going to be anything more than a one time bang so I just was trying to figure out how to get said bang. I let my desire for very hot and young overshadow my real target. So, thank you to everyone for the great advice. I took it and I am currently working on a few new POTs and I hope to be able to contribute to the conversation going forward!