"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**BikeRider** · 09-06-13 20:42

Originally Posted by Revvo [View Original Post]

I honestly don't know what to call this. Just let me say that I am constantly surprised at how this game turns out. I work very hard to control the outcome but the situation is frequently so fluid that it seems I am just a victim of chance and as I have said many times. You never know what is going to happen with these babies.

Revvo. Congrats on your new SB. She's the type of woman many of us seek!

I'd bail on POT3. She's not worth it.

**Revvo** · 09-06-13 18:06

I honestly don't know what to call this. Just let me say that I am constantly surprised at how this game turns out. I work very hard to control the outcome but the situation is frequently so fluid that it seems I am just a victim of chance and as I have said many times. You never know what is going to happen with these babies.

Subtitle a tale of two POTS.

First the Setup: One I really had my heart set on, blond hair blue eyed, knockout body and very direct and sexually promiscuous (on paper at least). Seemed to hit that golden age range between 27 and 38 where they look really good and know how to fuck they know their own bodies, they have mastered Oral, and know how to kiss. They are past the self induced drama of the young ones and know how to act in public. And they are not so goddammed stuck up and self involved and f-ing flakey. She is REVVO_POT3 I have her rated at a 7/8/6? By the way before Thursday the 6 was a 9. But she backed out again. She talked such a good game. But shit she just cannot seem to bring herself to move to the next level. In addition she is getting more distant and less verbally affectionate. Always a warning sign.

Then I have REVVO_POT5 you can see my reports on her. There are only two on her since she was not in the picture before last Thursday. She came on kind of nice. Had some nice pics but communication was spotty and not real responsive. She is very cute with a totally rocking body. I give her as of today a 7/10/9/10. She just did not float my boat at first. I honestly figured I had a good crew to work from and if she dropped off so be it. Remember looks are not everything. And that is one of the things I have learned through this experience. The really pretty white girls are almost always trouble of some form. I still like attractive women. I just do not pursue the really hot ones as much. Someone once told me. The definition of a 'hot chick' is a black hole of never ending need. So true my brothers. Much different than a pretty woman, Or even better a sexy woman. Anyway I digress POT5 which is now SB7 is a 24 YO part black / white / Venezuelan, and described herself as not your typical AA, meaning she was not ghetto and vulgar. Which by the way I don't like that ghetto shit. She has the body of a goddess. She is 5'4' and 105 lbs a true spinner by anyone's definition. Her skin is light and smooth as silk and her hair is straight. Face is cute but not a knockout.

Then the Payoff: So back to Thursday. You know the story. POT3 backs out. I would give her credit for not flaking but then again I had her address. She had to stop me from coming over. I was disappointed more because of the hole in my very busy schedule once again. Than I am for the rejection. If I have learned anything from this crazy f-ing adventure it is how to deal with mountains of gut wrenching frustrating rejection. So this was another in a long list. So I took it with a smile gracefully and was very magnanimous with her and told her that I would call later. I did the next day and she never responded or texted. Typical. The quality of this POT is getting lower and lower. This is why the 6 for personality. Someone else told me 'never look at what a woman says, look at what they do' this can be two very different things. This story illustrates this completely. So I resigned myself to just keep a low level of contact and maybe she will come around. But I was quickly loosing interest.

Then about an hour later. I get a text from none other than POT5 who is now SB7 as of today. She is been working a lot. And has not had a chance to get in touch with me. As opposed to POT3 above who has the whole week off and cannot return a call or a text. Can you imagine what her (pot3) life is like on a daily basis? She probably gets treated like shit by men and has no clue why. So SB7 and I banter a little and set up a casual lunch date for today. Not holding my breath on this one, not flirting too hard or working any type of amateur seduction or anything. Just matter of fact want to see you lets get together yada yada. So today comes I send her a reminder text waiting for the inevitable flake. But instead I get a quick response telling me she is working on a charity event and will meet me at a specific time at the restaurant. She gets there early and is waiting for me outside! This is an amazing thing in itself since she is young and good looking. And that is usually the death of punctuality. We have a nice lunch and good conversation. She is a true amateur and is asking about how it works. I am still not sure she is really going to bite. But I have already decided I will offer my low amount 150 and try to close her for the FC right after lunch. She accepts the 150 and we start talking schedules. She tells me she has two roommates and that one is not comfortable bringing a man home. She is ok with hotels for now. Then I offer the immediate trip to hotel and she is totally cool with it.

Not overtly sexual or talkative about sex. She is very educated. Degree in Microbiology, and she was a former college and high school cheerleader and coached cheerleading. More bookish that sexual but good looking. She agreed to the hotel. We went and had an absolutely wonderful time. She was awesome. She may be the best fuck of the all of the babies I have plowed. And easily the top 5 fucks of my entire life. This baby has the body of a fitness model and knows how to use it and her hands and her gorgeous full lips. I love a woman with a sensuous mouth and she like my little girl next door baby have them. We fucked hard and often during a short period of time. And she is ready to get together again soon for a longer session and told me she is going to tell her roommate that she has a boyfriend and he will be coming over a lot. LOL No drama, no bullshit, no flaking, no baggage or drugs, this is heaven. I am so lucky. There is one problem though. She liked getting on top and to continue fucking me after we both came. As my dick was getting soft she continued to ride me a lot and hard. Her cumming once again. And when we finished she could not get the rubber off so of course some come got inside of her. Shit Shit Shit, and double shit. But she was cool about it and said when we leave we will just go get the PLANB pill. One saving grace is she had a little bit of blood meaning she is probably starting her period anyway. Got the pill but I did not see her take it. I do not think she is trying to trap me or get pregnant. It is just not what she is about. Too normal. But I will be sweating this out once again for the next few days. Man what a fuck though. And this proves you cannot predict what will happen.

Be careful out there.

Revvo

**Marcus Weiner** · 09-06-13 13:42

Scott, you reminded me of an experience I had a few years-ago with my first (sort-of) SB. I met her at a massage parlor and in the course of our session asked if there were any extra's available. She said no but we could probably work something out after-hours. I saw this little hottie for about 6 months, once a-week at my place, and she was still one of the best fucks I've ever had! The reason I say SB and not UTR pro, is that I don't believe she was seeing anyone else but me. The massage place got raided after only being open for a month, and afterwards she worked at a car dealership as a receptionist and was going to culinary school full time. Our relationship ended when her boyfriend proposed after being offered a job out of state. Our last encounter was truly bittersweet, but for a 25 year-old girl with her whole life in front of her, I was happy for her. She said if I was looking for a new "body rub" girl, to see her friend who worked out of an apartment near me. I made the appointment with her and when I arrived, standing in front of me was this complete knockout. She asked me how I came across her and I told her that I had seen her ad on BP, but also that a friend had recommended her. At first she thought it may have been a client but when I said the girls name, her eyes got as big as saucers and said."Oh my god, you're the guy that she used to go to his house". The standard body rub for an hour became a FS session with her charging me for only a half hour, LOL. Needless to say, we became really good friends, in fact it became like a brother / sister relationship to the point where I couldn't even fuck her anymore. Now she is one of DC's top escorts according to the oThER review site, and I still talk to her about every other day. She's fascinated with my exploits and I'm amazed at some of the guys she's had as clients. Sorry for going on and on, but the bittersweet farewell of your SB reminded me of it.

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

No, sadly it is ATF #2 who is moving to NY. I had a very wonderful, bittersweet lunch with her yesterday, and we are going to keep in touch as best we can. I will fly her back as her schedule allows, but the job she is taking really has no set hours or days, so I am guessing that for the first little while, she will not have many days free in a row. I am already missing her, and she hasn't left yet!

Ah, the pains of emotional attachment.

Scott

**Zomby** · 09-06-13 13:32

Originally Posted by F Scott [View Original Post]

No, sadly it is ATF #2 who is moving to NY. I had a very wonderful, bittersweet lunch with her yesterday, and we are going to keep in touch as best we can. I will fly her back as her schedule allows, but the job she is taking really has no set hours or days, so I am guessing that for the first little while, she will not have many days free in a row. I am already missing her, and she hasn't left yet!

Ah, the pains of emotional attachment.

Exactly so.

I don't regret a second of what happened with my girl, and it ended as well as could be expected, but damn, it's painful when it's over. Fortunately, it was typically her: no drama, no histrionics, no dwelling.

**F Scott** · 09-06-13 12:21

Originally Posted by FredMoore [View Original Post]

All of a sudden my ATF #1 who I was madly in love with for over 1 year popped up on FB. Interestingly, she is by far the least attractive of my 4 sequential ATFs but maybe because she was my first emotional SB connection she is the strongest.

Scottie, I know you can identify with that 1st one. What became of your 1st? I get the list confused. Is she the one who is moving to NY?

Fred,

My #1 ATF reappeared a year almost to the day of her dumping me, and we had a great 5 hour reunion. No sex, but the old connection was instantly there again, as if no time had gone by. Since then, however, we have not been able to schedule a second get together, and I actually had come to grips with the idea that she had disappeared again, but I got a long text from her yesterday and it seems we are back on, at least back on trying to find a time to get together. For a partially employed salesperson, she has a very full schedule LOL! Honestly, I alternate between remembering how it used to be with her, and thinking that it can never be the same.

No, sadly it is ATF #2 who is moving to NY. I had a very wonderful, bittersweet lunch with her yesterday, and we are going to keep in touch as best we can. I will fly her back as her schedule allows, but the job she is taking really has no set hours or days, so I am guessing that for the first little while, she will not have many days free in a row. I am already missing her, and she hasn't left yet!

Ah, the pains of emotional attachment.

Scott

**FredMoore** · 09-06-13 10:42

All of a sudden my ATF #1 who I was madly in love with for over 1 year popped up on FB. She did not contact me but for some reason some of her pics are available to me so at least I can see how she looks now. I guess it is a glitch in the posting but I'm not complaining. I will maintain radio silence and just enjoy the memories since I don't want her to bolt and go deeper again. If she called I would be sorely tempted to ruin my life LOL. Interestingly, she is by far the least attractive of my 4 sequential ATFs but maybe because she was my first emotional SB connection she is the strongest.

Scottie, I know you can identify with that 1st one. What became of your 1st? I get the list confused. Is she the one who is moving to NY?

I sorely miss the excitement and challenge of bedding the newbies my friends. It's only been a week but It is weird not to be working up a new conquest. You can't beat that 1st penetration of a new fresh pussy.

**BigTigger** · 09-06-13 08:12

So finally had lunch with MsCoolSlim. She is a delightful young lady. A little skinnier that I prefer, but very pretty. I have not decided if I am going to continue as she does not have her own place yet as she had to move back home after some major changes in her life.

MsPreLaw cancelled our Wed date and has been radio silence ever since.

My new fav MsLilMana and I have seen each other 3 times this week. She is 29 and just really getting started out on her own. She has her own place but did not have any bedroom furniture. Maybe this is why we do it on the couch. It took a minute for this info to come out. So yesterday I found a full set minus box spring and mattress for $$$. It included HB, FB, rails, dresser, armoire, desk and chair and two night stands. I picked up and delivered. You can imagine her excitement. She showed her appreciation later after dinner.

I was able to get my ATF to break up with me. She wanted exclusivity, lived too far away, was not very passionate and just became too much for where I am now in my life.

I am working on getting rid of MsNurseBooty. Her schedule is not working for me and I have lost interest for a number of reasons.

Talked with a really pretty pot from AF. 29 AA slim with big boobs. Her requirements are very low as she just wants spending money and attention. We are going out on Sun. I am looking forward to it. She has #1 spot potential.

I had another Pot, AA. 33, tall, with big boobs. She started at 2k per month, but was willing to discuss less. She was also very pretty. I had to put her on pause because I am not ready for a relationship that takes all my suga budget.

BigTigg

**BigTigger** · 09-06-13 07:51

I am not saying you need a stable, but you definitely need two have to or three in the rotation.

BT.

Originally Posted by Igor Mongorsky [View Original Post]

Not much to report. I currently only have one baby, the former escort. I thought she could be my goto girl since I haven't had much time to look for anyone else. But this is really turning out to be a dud.

I booked a room at a really nice resort. The whole date seemed oddly unromantic, like a couple that had been together too long. I guess the honeymoon is long over. The sex consisted of her laying on her back the entire time. Didn't want to do any other positions or even give me head. Multiples? Forget it. How boring can you get? She even wanted the lights turned out. After she came, she rolled over and promptly fell asleep. She was never a great lay, but she at least used to make some effort. With all the hotel, food, entertainment and "gifts", this was too expensive for a wife experience.

Now she's calling me asking when we can get together again. She's not going to be too happy if I don't give her anything even though if I did that right from the beginning, I'm sure she would be fine with it. But, now I've set a bad precedent. I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I have to ask myself, if it's even worth "free"? Maybe not.

Anyhow, I'm going to have to try looking for someone fresh. I did sign up for SD4ME, but didn't get a chance to do anything with it. Got spammed for the first couple of weeks by what looks like a bunch of pros and my month expired. Looks like everything is still functional though.

**Igor Mongorsky** · 09-05-13 21:20

Not much to report. I currently only have one baby, the former escort. I thought she could be my goto girl since I haven't had much time to look for anyone else. But this is really turning out to be a dud.

I booked a room at a really nice resort. The whole date seemed oddly unromantic, like a couple that had been together too long. I guess the honeymoon is long over. The sex consisted of her laying on her back the entire time. Didn't want to do any other positions or even give me head. Multiples? Forget it. How boring can you get? She even wanted the lights turned out. After she came, she rolled over and promptly fell asleep. She was never a great lay, but she at least used to make some effort. With all the hotel, food, entertainment and "gifts", this was too expensive for a wife experience.

Now she's calling me asking when we can get together again. She's not going to be too happy if I don't give her anything even though if I did that right from the beginning, I'm sure she would be fine with it. But, now I've set a bad precedent. I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I have to ask myself, if it's even worth "free"? Maybe not.

Anyhow, I'm going to have to try looking for someone fresh. I did sign up for SD4ME, but didn't get a chance to do anything with it. Got spammed for the first couple of weeks by what looks like a bunch of pros and my month expired. Looks like everything is still functional though.

**F Scott** · 09-05-13 18:44

Originally Posted by Marcus Weiner [View Original Post]

It seems like I may be losing one of my regular girls in the rotation. SB 1, my tall blonde in her late 30's. She is my ATF, but has a tendency to be kind of flaky. She will text me at 9pm and tell me she's coming over, but after an hour goes by (her distance to me) and nothing, my text messages yield nothing. Then, all of a sudden, after I'm in bed at 2 or 3am, she'll say she's almost there. It's happened the last couple of times we've hooked up, and is kind of fun, since she'll just ask me to leave the back door open and will slip into bed naked with me. We end up fucking until my alarm goes off at 6:30 for work, but then I'm a zombie all day. Night before last, she was supposed to come up and totally flaked on me. I kept waking up expecting a text or for her to just come in through the back door, but nothing. The next day she apologized and said she had a migraine. Then last evening she sends me a text that she wants to see me. Now since I had already scheduled time with SB 3, the Brazilian married MILF for this morning, I told her that I wasn't feeling well and we'd have to reschedule. What began as concern for my feigned illness, alluded to attitude and disbelief.

I am a terrible liar, but I don't need SB drama. I'm hoping that I can get SB 1 to be more responsible, with respect to my time. She always has an excuse, from flat tires to running out of gas, but as my money gets tighter, I may have to cut her loose too.

MW

MW,

Forgive me for saying, but this one has Nando 1 written all over her. If she is not fully there, she will be soon. Don't get me wrong, no one loves a Flaky Baby Challenge more than me, but there comes a time when I just cut my losses and move on. If she earns her place back in the rotation at a later date, so be it, but for me at least play time is hard to come by, and I can't hold slots open for no-shows.

Cut her loose, and let her know why, and leave it up to her to fix the situation or not. I forget who said it, but a brother in the club said you can't push on a string. Golf, was that you?

Onward,

Scott

**BikeRider** · 09-05-13 18:36

I haven't posted an update for a while. Why is it work needs are directly correlated with SB POTS?

Over the last few months, my bench has had significant disruptions. Pretty much everyone from my June update is gone or on a long break. I'm on my way to a Skittles all-american team now though!

Here's the current situation:

POTS.

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Latina spinner 27. 7/8/9?. She sounds just like Gloria from Modern Family. She doesn't have the curves, but she's a nice package. She has a good job, and her own apartment. She just wants to enjoy nice dinners, and vacations with someone. We've had lunch, and have a date planned for next week.

AA stripper 24. 9/10/8?. I tend to stay away from strippers. But, she seems normal and grounded. She's happy with under $1k / mo and she can host 1-2 week. Going to the FC tomorrow at her place.

East Indian Grad student 24. 7/8?. Just talking now, but she just wants some passion and attention.

AA student 19. 10/10/10?. Former gymnast and currently a college cheerleader (confirmed on school web page). She's a plane ride away from DC, but her class schedule and mine will enable weekly meetings. She's happy with less than $1k / mo also. Her limberness alone is grounds to make her an ATF. Meeting in two weeks.

Rotation.

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Korean nerd. 8/8/9/10. I met her on AFF about 5 years ago when I lived on the west coast and was single. She reconnected with me about a month ago, and is moving to DC. She's the most drama free woman I've known. A great little shag.

AA staffer. 10/10/8/8. Haven't seen her much due to both of our schedules. Even when her boss is out of town, the woman can't stop working.

KAL. 10/9/8/8. My Korean American princess (gyopo for those of you that can sling hangul) has been nothing but drama. Thank god she doesn't fly the IAD route. I've known her since before my current warden, and her current drama reminds me why I didn't marry her. She's on the injured reserve.

Retired.

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My native american accountant MILF informed me she was retiring from extra-curricular activities this summer. A true loss.

The banker has become a chat-bot. She only pops onto chat now and then, and doesn't have time to meet.

**Marcus Weiner** · 09-05-13 15:45

It seems like I may be losing one of my regular girls in the rotation. SB 1, my tall blonde in her late 30's. She is my ATF, but has a tendency to be kind of flaky. She will text me at 9pm and tell me she's coming over, but after an hour goes by (her distance to me) and nothing, my text messages yield nothing. Then, all of a sudden, after I'm in bed at 2 or 3am, she'll say she's almost there. It's happened the last couple of times we've hooked up, and is kind of fun, since she'll just ask me to leave the back door open and will slip into bed naked with me. We end up fucking until my alarm goes off at 6:30 for work, but then I'm a zombie all day. Night before last, she was supposed to come up and totally flaked on me. I kept waking up expecting a text or for her to just come in through the back door, but nothing. The next day she apologized and said she had a migraine. Then last evening she sends me a text that she wants to see me. Now since I had already scheduled time with SB 3, the Brazilian married MILF for this morning, I told her that I wasn't feeling well and we'd have to reschedule. What began as concern for my feigned illness, alluded to attitude and disbelief.

I am a terrible liar, but I don't need SB drama and I don't want my SB's knowing that there are four or five others that are competing for my time, affection, and mostly sugar! Consequently, SB 3 is now my ATF. She has admitted that she has another SD that pays her much more than me, but is becoming quite possessive. He pays five times as much as me, but there's something to be said for being compassionate, understanding, and sexually compatible. I asked SB 3 about taking pics of her while we were fucking and her eyes got real big and said,"Can we?" How in the world can I not indulge her? So as I was fucking SB 3, SB 2 the tall Latina dancer sends me a text and says that she has the night off from work and can I come over. Jeez, just no rest for the weary. I had to tell her that I needed a rain check and hopefully Sunday or Monday we can hook up.

Lastly SB 4 the Russian/Chinese student is also a strong candidate for the waiver wire or injured reserve, sports fans. She cannot host and is a 30 to 40 min drive from me. She usually spends the night with me and is very low maintenance, pizza, beer, a PPV movie and off to the bedroom. It's not just the drive, but she is not into kissing, and although her BBBJ's and tight pussy weigh heavily upon me, I believe that this will be our Last Tango in Paris. I'm hoping that I can get SB 1 to be more responsible, with respect to my time. She always has an excuse, from flat tires to running out of gas, but as my money gets tighter, I may have to cut her loose too. I want to post pics of my SB's but as Tigger will attest to, in Baltimore, I lost more than I gained as some of the girls were alerted to, or just simply found out on their own that I had posted their pics.

MW

**Revvo** · 09-05-13 14:42

Originally Posted by Magic Rat [View Original Post]

Lastly, I have to give props to Revvo, who is an old online buddy from a stripper site. We both used to fancy the stripper world and the possibilities there. It appears Revvo has been converted to the Sugar world and seems to be doing quite well. Good for you my man! Obviously I haven't been able to wean myself from that dark place, but I keep trying! Could it have something to do with the local GPS Baby world?

Thanks brother Rat. It is you that turned me on to this mystical, magical, confusing world of the Sugar Bowl. And for that I do appreciate it. Yes I was deep into the dark recesses of the Stripper world and spending much much money for risky and very inconsistent encounters with mostly beautiful but crazy women.

The sugar bowl much more suits me. But I still need to be careful. This has led me down the path of the most growth in my life in the last 25 years. Not so sure I have not traded one insanity for another though. I think I am making progress into a more stable path. I have let my SD membership expire and I do not go on any SD sites anymore. And I am activley culling my POTs and SBs down to a manageable level. I guess that is progress.

Thanks again.

Revvo

**FredMoore** · 09-05-13 11:12

My current ATF (#4) I will keep in touch with her even though I am "retiring". She is actually a retired dancer from another life and world and amazingly is not GPS, but very reasonable, low key,and appreciative. In her day she made $2000 / night and I believe it since she was in a hot market and is super talented in looks and personality. She is a 10 across the board and I am loathe to give her up. She can get any guy she wants and the only limit is how much sex and extra funds she needs. She seems to have enough money to sustain herself with the basics. And I feel that we have a connection together, or at least she makes me feel that way. I certainly don't want to be in a conga line but I think she will tell me if she has other guys in her life. She is straight forward like that.

I am still perusing the Boards even though I am not prospecting any more. I am back in the homestead and the warden is on top of things pretty regularly. I think traveling sales is the job to have for optimal married Sugar dating.

**Magic Rat** · 09-05-13 08:50

Sorry I haven't been able to contribute much to the clubhouse recently, but I do get a great kick out of reading my fellow travelers' exploits.

I thought I might throw a reminder out there that there are different ways and methods of getting to the same place, which is in the FC with POTF (how's that for 2 acronyms in the same sentence?) I have been seeing a late 30's MILF that I met from placing a Craigslist ad a few months ago. She is really into me and the sex is unbelievable plus the price is right. As in lunch and beers only! I am also having a second meeting today with a much younger MILF stripper that I initially met a couple weeks ago, who didn't seem opposed at all to the idea of meeting up in another, more private location than the strip club. Pricing seems to be in line with reasonable Babies so I do have my hopes up slightly for this one. Of course, we all know how fickle these Babies can be. I have to travel for deeper fishing waters as there appears to be an outbreak of GPS in the local ponds. As I've been quoted $500-$1, 000! Even a 40ish, overweight hippy gal quoted me $300, and that was only for an hour!

On a sadder note, my on again off again ATF of 2+ years is apparently off again for good. Of course I have thought that before and then she will contact me out of the blue as if nothing has happened. I have finally got to the point of not stressing over it for the most part. If I see her, I see her. If not, my world will not end. To steal a line from my good friend Scott, I could have ruined my life for her I believe. We had a really strong connection.

Lastly, I have to give props to Revvo, who is an old online buddy from a stripper site. We both used to fancy the stripper world and the possibilities there. It appears Revvo has been converted to the Sugar world and seems to be doing quite well. Good for you my man! Obviously I haven't been able to wean myself from that dark place, but I keep trying! Could it have something to do with the local GPS Baby world?

Keep at it my fellow travelers, and keep those reports coming!