"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[LoriTruck]

The second meeting with Chatter box didn't take place. I texted her that morning, no answer. Sent a text 7 hours later & still no reply. I sent a text saying I won't make it that night. 3 hours after that I sent a text pretending to be at a nearby hotel in her city & that's when I heard from her. She claimed she got robbed and only had 30cents to her name. She wanted to know if we could do a quickie for 125 which would take care of the balance for her apartment so she doesn't get evicted. She also wanted a little spending money and asked if we could meet for 175 total. A few days earlier, I had advanced her 160 since they were kind enough to break the payments up for her so she could keep the apartment. Our 1st meeting, we had a ball! Kissed, cuddled, she turned all the lights off so the room was pitch black. We could've done just about anything that night. She made no mention of sugar then & was even willing to stay the whole night with me I gave her 160 that night for what was a night to remember. Some how she is all about the sugar now, claims she wrecked her car and it may be totaled. If I had made the trip for our 2nd meeting a lot of my questions would've been answered. I would've asked for the eviction notice so I know she isn't making up sad stories to lure a sucker. It's hard to drop her since she has the looks & skills but with her being 5 hours away I am pissing in the wind on this one. I didn't make the journey due to a rental car not falling through. All my calls to her go to voicemail & it's slap full so I can't leave a message. May just have to chance it one night and make the journey but have a back up plan in place just in case.

[HollywoodGuy]

I tell every POT before meeting they have to be into some very serious kissing or there is no reason to meet.

1. Many will lie just to get the $

2. Some say they are (and they are) , but then their kissing skills are no good.

3. Some say they aren't and it saves us both a wasted date.

4. UTR's may or may not be, but if it's strictly a booty call girl I may relent.

5. One of the main reasons I broke up with my last SB was I didn't like her kissing style. Had another awesome babe before her, but same problem.

6. My ATF MILF is the best kisser I have ever met. And so was my 2nd wife at the time I met her. (one reason I married her).

7. My "little princess" is still learning about the facts of life, but her good kissing skills keep me around. Without them she would already be long gone.

8. I have never kissed my roommate. And she never kisses anyone and barely her boyfriend.

9. Awesome kissing is like vitamin C, maybe stronger.

10. Read "The Multi-Orgasmic Man" by Chia and Abrams (see page 128 for quick reference pic on this topic, says it all)

[F Scott]

I agree with you all. No kissing, or even uninspired kissing, is a deal breaker for me. I enjoy kissing all the way from start to finish, and afterwards as well, and though I'm sure I wouldn't get up and walk out, a baby who didn't like kissing would not make my roster either.

I have only encountered it once, and I just went ahead and started kissing her anyway, and she apparently forgot that she didn't like it, so things ended up fine in the end.

The only date who never kisses me is Rosie LOL!

Scott

[Revvo]

Massive deal breaker. In fact I have my own challenges with the babies. But I have not found one yet that would not kiss.

Even the weak POTs will. Now I have found several that were bad kissers. But that just requires a little training.

In fact kissing is part of the escalation process to get them to the FC quickly. Touching, then hand holding, then kissing. A good kiss communicates a lot right off the bat. Physical escalation is key.

Revvo

[Dsprdo]

I'm relatively new to the SD game but have had a couple already who wanted minimal kissing. That is such a turn off, makes it seem like she's a pro, although I really don't think either of these girls were (one was the sultry older latina who exuded sex, but had no game in the bedroom, including kissing). Needless to say, they didn't make the roster. Tattooed baby likes to kiss, only drawback is she is a smoker and I'm not. (That is going to have to get added to my criteria!) I blame "Pretty Woman" for this whole problem. I have been trying to get a M&G set with the sexter, she just told me she might be able to make tomorrow night, but only if I agree to kiss her all over.

[John G Smith]

This is a topic that could command its own thread. Will revisit later. Hi-Ho Hi-Ho its off to work I go.

How often are you guys encountering this quirk? Does there seem to be any pattern or correlation with the girls that do and don't kiss? Is it bigger the age gap or maybe if they're "booty call"/UTR type girls? Or was it ones that were attached with a boyfriend / husband?

Personally I've never had an issue with kissing SBs. Now a few of them would mostly just do light kissing with minimal tongue action, but every one of them would kiss and I've never got any hesitation from them. I always use kissing to lead-in into the sexual activities, so it would be pretty awkward to not kiss at all. Like another member here mentioned, no kissing would be a deal-breaker for me as well. Not only does passionate kissing really set the mood and gets her nice and moist, but it helps establish a connection that separates the experience from escorts and Pros.

I wish I had some unusual quirks to share, but I don't really have anything. All I can think of is during the actual bumping and grinding one of my booty call girls wouldn't make any eye contact. I think that's how she detached herself from the situation and it's probably why we never connected well.

Hmm well actually I have noticed almost non of my SBs have partaken in a shower at the FC after a romp. Even when things have gotten hot and sweaty. They tend to just do a quick rinse and body spray at the sink. I guess a part of me is happy that they don't need to fully wash the smell of sex off them, but I still find it odd that non of them have wanted to use the shower afterward. Maybe it's an issue of getting their hair wet?

[HollywoodGuy]

- A few would let me do everything. Everything but kiss

This is a topic that could command its own thread. Will revisit later. Hi-Ho Hi-Ho its off to work I go.

[FredMoore]

Interesting topic Revvo. This has actually been on my mind after the monumental weekend I just had.

I've also been in a cycle of SBs and TBs (Temporary Babies as FScott put it). I definitely felt like I was chasing something and never really fully satisfied with what was in my hand.

But this past weekend, for one day at least, I got everything I ever wanted out of the sugar bowl. I finally experienced the picture on the brochure. I spent a full day and evening with my Euro SB who was a perfect 10 by just about any guy's standard.

Anyway, the point of the recap is that I basically had my unicorn experience and I'm starting to feel there's really no where else to go. I've actually totally lost the desire to browse on SA / SDFM or to really even txt my other babies.

The obsession can be fun.

Obviously the danger with having one SB is the e-involvement factor. You don't necessarily have to go monogamous but make yourself a checklist of qualities you're looking for and just get more strict with your standards. That way hopefully you'll be more fulfilled with the SBs you got instead of constantly chasing.

It sounds like you're in LOVE brother! Serious lust anyway. Aint life grand!

I have now had 3 ATFs only one of which was the perfect 10 across the board. She became the bellweather for babies to follow. My 1st was over a year of pure bliss, the second pretty good, and the most recent great but not perfect. I find myself seeking that one girl who satisfies all of my needs. That e involvement factor. The risk is the attachment that can upset your status quo at home and mess with your head. But there is nothing like it. In the meantime I am seeking random sex until I find that next perfect 10.

Update : my 3rd ATF who recently dumped me did so because I was getting too attached and she couldn't reciprocate. I suggested a reboot to an earlier time where I can drop the romance and show up, treat her to dinner, fuck our brains out, drop the envelope, then no contact until the next time. She's mulling it over so I don't know if it will fly. Perhaps she just found a better deal.

Quirks for these three:

ATF # 1 perfect overall attitude but didn't like genital stimulation. I would have to press my turgid junk up to her dry unstimulated pussy and grind against her until she got wet then as she wettened I would slowly slide in with each stroke. It was actually very stimulating for me. When she got going she would scream like a little baby.

ATF #2 did not like kissing or sex, but she let me dump my load in her pussy every time so I was OK with it

ATF #3 does not like kissing, but got very wet with oral / manual and orgasmed with a 20 second screaming non stop.

No Kissing seems to be the way these girls define the difference between love and just sex. They will fuck random SDs all day long but won't kiss if they aren't emotionally into you. It's funny because I will kiss any of these Girls as long as they are cute and don't have bad breath. And I try not to see them at all if they aren'why cute.

Speaking of, my recent M&G went to the FC. This girl was a good 30 lbs heavier than her profile pics so it turned me off, but little fred took over and she was easy and an appreciative lay.

[F Scott]

Where is the key for the abbreviations in this thread? I don't see them in the official abbreviations list up top, and haven't come across them reading from the beginning yet, but also can't help reading the new stuff too.

FC & POT?

FC = Fucking Chamber, I. E. The room where the fucking is done.

POT = Potential baby; you haven't fucked her yet and are still in the initial stages of talking / negotiations. There have been no POTF (panties on the floor)

[John G Smith]

Interesting topic Revvo. This has actually been on my mind after the monumental weekend I just had.

I've also been in a cycle of SBs and TBs (Temporary Babies as FScott put it). I definitely felt like I was chasing something and never really fully satisfied with what was in my hand.

But this past weekend, for one day at least, I got everything I ever wanted out of the sugar bowl. I finally experienced the picture on the brochure. I spent a full day and evening with my Euro SB who was a perfect 10 by just about any guy's standard. She could easily command $$$$$ per visit if she wanted and from our conversations she's been on lavish travel and shopping trips with rich guys / BFs / SDs. Yet, with me she had not an ounce of GPS. She actually wanted to be with me and had a genuine attraction for me. I gave her $.5 at the end of the night, but she still hasn't really acknowledged it one way or another. I think we both know I can't afford her but she probably appreciates the gesture, haha. And beyond the sex, she was just nurturing and pretty much spoiling me the whole time. She would softly stroke her fingers on my body while we were lying in bed and lots of other affectionate little touches. She was hand feeding me grapes and fruit. She made me feel like a King in the classic sense. Not to mention she's a sweet sweet girl who is also intelligent with a sexy eastern european accent. The only downside to the whole day is that I just kept waiting for the catch. If I knew it would end so well, I probably would have relaxed and enjoyed it more.

Anyway, the point of the recap is that I basically had my unicorn experience and I'm starting to feel there's really no where else to go. I've actually totally lost the desire to browse on SA / SDFM or to really even txt my other babies. And it's not like I'm trying to ensnare the Euro SB. I'm perfectly aware that even though the post-meetup txts have been positive, it's still possible I may not see her again because I could easily see some uber rich guy scooping her up at any moment. Maybe the feeling will wane, but right now I actually feel fulfilled. If I just saw her once or twice a month, I honestly wouldn't need anything else. Which is actually a good feeling because it means at least for me it's possible for the obsession to end if I find the right person. And if things fizzle out with the Euro Baby, I'm probably going to change my strategy from multi-fucking a bunch of SBs hoping to catch a keeper in the lotto and instead focus on finding the one SB who satisfy just about all my needs and really connect with. Yes it's not easy to find that one SB, but I also waste a lot of time with SBs who I know are just temps basically. Basically my strategy has been about identifying girls who I'm fairly attracted to who will drop the panties as soon as possible. This is not a bad thing, but it may not necessarily be the most optimal way if you're looking for a SB who will stimulate you on multiple levels.

The obsession can be fun. During the phase where I've been constantly chasing SBs I've had the opportunity to bang a wide variety of young nubiles. But if you're getting to the point where you're already browsing profiles within 12 hours of your last romp, then it might be time to better qualify the SBs you're looking for and up the quality. I don't just mean in looks, but just try to imagine your perfect day / night with a SB and then breakdown what qualities that SB would have. Then start tailoring your profile and your initial contact messages to attract those type of girls.

Obviously the danger with having one SB is the e-involvement factor. You don't necessarily have to go monogamous but make yourself a checklist of qualities you're looking for and just get more strict with your standards. That way hopefully you'll be more fulfilled with the SBs you got instead of constantly chasing.

[Walruscl]

I have noticed a lot over 35 years as a monger and the last 18 months as a SD that many escorts, massage girls, and now SBs will do about anything but kiss. I have heard several of them state that they will only do that with their real BF.

Not that I have much real-world mileage with SB's, but that would be close to a deal-breaker with me. Mine can't stop kissing me, which is just fine by me, I love it. She calls my kisses "magical".

For all the focus on the other extra-curricular activities associated with SD / SB, the joy of passionate kissing is seriously underrated in my book.

[Hsrams]

- A few would let me do everything. Everything but kiss

I like this quirks discussion! I have noticed a lot over 35 years as a monger and the last 18 months as a SD that many escorts, massage girls, and now SBs will do about anything but kiss. I have heard several of them state that they will only do that with their real BF. I have also had some tell me that DATY was reserved only for their BF also. Always thought this was strange, giving up that pussy for money but reserving a couple of pleasures for someone special. But there must be something to it because I've ran into it consistently over the years.

I haven't ran into any of the ghost whisperers or tattoo hiders though. That is pretty weird stuff. Where in the hell do you find these girls. LOL

[BigTigger]

- Would not move after cumming. She was a big girl, so I would get suffocated if she finished cow girl. So I had to remember to be in the right position.

- 1 Would not let me see her brushing her teeth

- 1 Took a 30 to 40 minute shower before each session

- Wanted curtains open for the world to see. Being married that drove me bonkers.

- Would not touch me during sex except to rub my hip bones with her thumbs.

- A couple wanted the room really cold.

- A couple of no foreplay ones.

- 1 would not take her bra off. I could pull them out, but bra stayed on.

- A few would let me do everything. Everything but kiss

[HollywoodGuy]

I had one that had a relatively modest tattoo around one of her angles and was very unhappy with it. So she would always try to hide it. To the point of not wearing skirts or dresses. And she looked really good In them. But at the same time she would let me spread her legs so wide I thought she would split in two, or point her perfect ass up in the air. But heaven forbid anyone see this small tattoo. Even to the point of having her in bed on all fours she would slip her ankle under the covers, rest of her would be completely naked and exposed.

I had another one that could only come twice and only twice. She was beautiful and sexy and loved sex. But could only come twice. What the fuck is that?

My most current x sb couldn't come at all when I met her. Got her up to once per hour of solid f. Ing. On the flip side my current MILF averages 30+ solid body shaking o's an hour. She is the current record holder on a per hour basis. Got her up to about 45 once. But many years ago had one that came every 5 minutes for as long as I could go. This was back in my party favor days. Did her for 8 straight hours without pulling out once. So 8 x 12? I think that qualifies as a quirk on her side. And just stoned on mine.

And to digress a bit. I find that all women, SB or not want their guy to teach them to O more often and harder. Something I actually talk about with every girl I have ever been with. And try to help in any way I can. Even the most experienced MILF's can do better. Right?

[HollywoodGuy]

One girl claimed to see ghosts. I played along. Another was into metaphysics big time. She worked in one of those bookstores, put on seminars and the like. I decided there was something to that but I didn't do her long enough for metaphysics to hold my interest.

OMG I had one that talked to spirits. I told her to cut that shit out and never in public. She said they told her when it was safe to shoplift. She just gout out of jail for said offense.