Rubrankings.com
Best Escorts
Top Escorts
The Velvet Rooms
Top Tier Escorts
This forum thread is moderated by Admin
  1. #13560
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1862

    Some are just plain ungrateful!

    I'm willing to bet Pwipped could write a book about his experiences with ungrateful girls. I'm permanently retired from the Capt save a hoe business. Keep it simple folks: You pay, you both have fun within the allocated time, and then you move on. Nothing more, nothing else!

    Quote Originally Posted by Juker  [View Original Post]
    Well I kept this info in the PMs to a few Senior guys but see no reason any longer. I am really pissed and need to rant.

    An Erica want-to-be named Nikki was posting for a while on CL / CE for a few girls. Via email she told me they were just a bunch of girls with jobs and so-on, just sharing info and helping one another. I saw one named Tiffany (yet another Tiffany. I must have four in my phone already). She was hot as hell but unfortunately she moved to Chicago last week. At least she'll be visiting her Mom here occasionally.

    Another was "Missy". She was outcall from nearby Norcross at the time I saw her (twice). I "thought" she was a really sweet girl.

    By the second time I had figured Nikki out. This is no "group of friends." Nikki barely advertizes, does no screening that I could tell, and keeps 50 percent of the total. On top of that she way undercuts the rates in the few ads she does post. Missy says she normally wants 150-160 outcall and that she told Nikki she'd do anything except swallow and anal. Well, Nikki posted one ad for her in Spanish (though Nikki doesn't speak it) that read,"$40 deep blow job and I will clean you with my throat, or $80 per hour". I translated this for Missy and she was aghast. Another ad in English was pretty normal, but still only $100 per hour and included the backdoor. And oh, she visited one client that was expecting anal because it was listed in the ad. Missy relented. This asswipe was NOT a gentleman about it and she asked him to stop when it became too painful. But he wouldn't and just kept plowing away. I am sorry, but that is fucking RAPE in my book.

    Another time Nikki called Tiffany and said she was running $80 specials all night, like that was something to be excited about. Tiffany said fuck that, I'm not driving across town for 40 fucking dollars!

    So anyway, Missy called a few weeks ago saying her car broke down on the side of the road and the next day the towing company said it was gone. Stolen. She wanted a loan for a just a junker, which I couldn't provide even if I wanted to (not) but I did say I'd give her a ride to school at least till the semester was over and so on. I've heard it all, trust me, but I actually believed her.

    Then three weeks ago Missy called saying she was really sick and asked for a ride to the ER at Grady. I said,"Why Grady? The hospital next door to me is right up the road from you". She told me she had moved to Decatur. OK, that explains the stolen car, LOL.

    So I drove to Decatur and then to Grady and sat with her in that hell-hole of a waiting room with her all afternoon. Her cousin finally called and said she could pick her up later. But before I left I located the restrooms in case she had to puke, only to see signs on the door saying "key located at front desk!" WTF? What if you got to puke?

    Well, her cousin didn't need to come because she was admitted for pneumonia. She ended up staying there for three damn weeks and only just got out the other day. Yes, I picked her up and she still looked like hammered shit, had lost a huge amount of weight, and could barely talk. She had no money at all and her phone was about to be shut off, so I paid it ($100). She also had no food in the house so the next day Thursday I drove to Decatur in the driving rain and gave her $150 worth of supplies.

    Did I get a Thank You? Barely, but only after I later texted her to ask if she liked the stuff I picked out.

    Today she texted asking for a ride to the store around 2. I said I could right now (at 12) but was going to a football party at 1 and tomorrow morning would be much better if she could wait.

    The only response I got was "never mind".

    I mean, is that FUCKING IT?

    What an ungrateful fucking by&th.

    /rant. Very sorry. I had to do it.

    (Jackson: dashes, hyphens, and ellipses are a part of English grammar. I am SO tired of re-editing posts so I don't come off as an idiot. I do admit I often use ellipses for effect and not properly.)

    Edit: too painful, not to painful. Sorry, maybe I AM an idiot.

  2. #13559
    Banned Member


    Posts: 13634
    Quote Originally Posted by Juker  [View Original Post]
    1. And oh, she visited one client that was expecting anal because it was listed in the ad. Missy relented. This asswipe was NOT a gentleman about it and she asked him to stop when it became too painful. But he wouldn't and just kept plowing away. I am sorry, but that is fucking RAPE in my book.

    2. So I drove to Decatur and then to Grady and sat with her in that hell-hole of a waiting room with her all afternoon. Her cousin finally called and said she could pick her up later. But before I left I located the restrooms in case she had to puke, only to see signs on the door saying "key located at front desk!" WTF? What if you got to puke?

    3. She had no money at all and her phone was about to be shut off, so I paid it ($100). She also had no food in the house so the next day Thursday I drove to Decatur in the driving rain and gave her $150 worth of supplies. Today she texted asking for a ride to the store around 2. I said I could right now (at 12) but was going to a football party at 1 and tomorrow morning would be much better if she could wait.

    The only response I got was "never mind".

    I mean, is that FUCKING IT?

    What an ungrateful fucking by&th.
    Feel sorry for you Juker.

    1. She shouldn't have agreed to do anal, should have called her handler right away while the guy was there and told said handler to deal with it. I agree though, if the guy kept pounding away, he was wrong. Makes me wonder how much effort she made to stop the guy once she decided she didn't like it.

    2. Would suggest fetching bathroom key and vomiting on key at retrieval point, then reminding Grady that they're running a hospital, not a gas station.

    3. Always best to keep mongering activities strictly as a business transaction. A working girl's social life and personal woes are her problem. Nobody stuck a gun to Missy's head and forced her to rent her pussy; she willfully chose to do it.

  3. #13558

    Juker

    Cut your losses, and run. Unless you have time to waste, it isn't worth it. I've been there, done that, and it's only worth it for a minute, until you notice the lack of return on your investment. Plenty of women, who'd love and appreciate your efforts.

    At some time or another, we all fall in the trap of becoming too close and actually feeling compassion for these people. Keep your head, it just might save your head!

  4. #13557
    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias  [View Original Post]
    I know I'm preaching to the choir, but it's just a very, very bad idea to get involved with prostitutes in any capacity beyond "strictly business". These are very, very damaged people.

    You're upset that this girl is "ungrateful", but you're talking about someone who was almost certainly sexually molested as a minor, has probably been raped quite a few times, comes from abject poverty, has no education and no prospect, and very likely will not die a natural death at an old age.

    Bottom one percent, at best.

    Don't get me wrong, I love a good, slutty w h o are e, and I even like the atmosphere of gamesmanship in dealing with them, but I won't trust them, and I certainly won't waste my time on them! I advise others to do the same.

    O.
    Ozy, I couldn't have said it any better.

  5. #13556
    I know I'm preaching to the choir, but it's just a very, very bad idea to get involved with prostitutes in any capacity beyond "strictly business". These are very, very damaged people.

    You're upset that this girl is "ungrateful", but you're talking about someone who was almost certainly sexually molested as a minor, has probably been raped quite a few times, comes from abject poverty, has no education and no prospect, and very likely will not die a natural death at an old age.

    Bottom one percent, at best.

    Don't get me wrong, I love a good, slutty w h o are e, and I even like the atmosphere of gamesmanship in dealing with them, but I won't trust them, and I certainly won't waste my time on them! I advise others to do the same.

    O.

    Quote Originally Posted by Juker  [View Original Post]
    Well I kept this info in the PMs to a few Senior guys but see no reason any longer. I am really pissed and need to rant.

    An Erica want-to-be named Nikki was posting for a while on CL / CE for a few girls. Via email she told me they were just a bunch of girls with jobs and so-on, just sharing info and helping one another. I saw one named Tiffany (yet another Tiffany. I must have four in my phone already). She was hot as hell but unfortunately she moved to Chicago last week. At least she'll be visiting her Mom here occasionally.

    Another was "Missy". She was outcall from nearby Norcross at the time I saw her (twice). I "thought" she was a really sweet girl.

    By the second time I had figured Nikki out. This is no "group of friends." Nikki barely advertizes, does no screening that I could tell, and keeps 50 percent of the total. On top of that she way undercuts the rates in the few ads she does post. Missy says she normally wants 150-160 outcall and that she told Nikki she'd do anything except swallow and anal. Well, Nikki posted one ad for her in Spanish (though Nikki doesn't speak it) that read,"$40 deep blow job and I will clean you with my throat, or $80 per hour". I translated this for Missy and she was aghast. Another ad in English was pretty normal, but still only $100 per hour and included the backdoor. And oh, she visited one client that was expecting anal because it was listed in the ad. Missy relented. This asswipe was NOT a gentleman about it and she asked him to stop when it became too painful. But he wouldn't and just kept plowing away. I am sorry, but that is fucking RAPE in my book.

    Another time Nikki called Tiffany and said she was running $80 specials all night, like that was something to be excited about. Tiffany said fuck that, I'm not driving across town for 40 fucking dollars!

    So anyway, Missy called a few weeks ago saying her car broke down on the side of the road and the next day the towing company said it was gone. Stolen. She wanted a loan for a just a junker, which I couldn't provide even if I wanted to (not) but I did say I'd give her a ride to school at least till the semester was over and so on. I've heard it all, trust me, but I actually believed her.

    Then three weeks ago Missy called saying she was really sick and asked for a ride to the ER at Grady. I said,"Why Grady? The hospital next door to me is right up the road from you". She told me she had moved to Decatur. OK, that explains the stolen car, LOL.

    So I drove to Decatur and then to Grady and sat with her in that hell-hole of a waiting room with her all afternoon. Her cousin finally called and said she could pick her up later. But before I left I located the restrooms in case she had to puke, only to see signs on the door saying "key located at front desk!" WTF? What if you got to puke?

    Well, her cousin didn't need to come because she was admitted for pneumonia. She ended up staying there for three damn weeks and only just got out the other day. Yes, I picked her up and she still looked like hammered shit, had lost a huge amount of weight, and could barely talk. She had no money at all and her phone was about to be shut off, so I paid it ($100). She also had no food in the house so the next day Thursday I drove to Decatur in the driving rain and gave her $150 worth of supplies.

    Did I get a Thank You? Barely, but only after I later texted her to ask if she liked the stuff I picked out.

    Today she texted asking for a ride to the store around 2. I said I could right now (at 12) but was going to a football party at 1 and tomorrow morning would be much better if she could wait.

    The only response I got was "never mind".

    I mean, is that FUCKING IT?

    What an ungrateful fucking by&th.

    /rant. Very sorry. I had to do it.

    (Jackson: dashes, hyphens, and ellipses are a part of English grammar. I am SO tired of re-editing posts so I don't come off as an idiot. I do admit I often use ellipses for effect and not properly.)

    Edit: too painful, not to painful. Sorry, maybe I AM an idiot.

  6. #13555
    Quote Originally Posted by Juker  [View Original Post]
    Well I kept this info in the PMs to a few Senior guys but see no reason any longer. I am really pissed and need to rant.

    An Erica want-to-be named Nikki was posting for a while on CL / CE for a few girls. Via email she told me they were just a bunch of girls with jobs and so-on, just sharing info and helping one another. I saw one named Tiffany (yet another Tiffany. I must have four in my phone already). She was hot as hell but unfortunately she moved to Chicago last week. At least she'll be visiting her Mom here occasionally.

    Another was "Missy". She was outcall from nearby Norcross at the time I saw her (twice). I "thought" she was a really sweet girl.

    By the second time I had figured Nikki out. This is no "group of friends." Nikki barely advertizes, does no screening that I could tell, and keeps 50 percent of the total. On top of that she way undercuts the rates in the few ads she does post. Missy says she normally wants 150-160 outcall and that she told Nikki she'd do anything except swallow and anal. Well, Nikki posted one ad for her in Spanish (though Nikki doesn't speak it) that read,"$40 deep blow job and I will clean you with my throat, or $80 per hour". I translated this for Missy and she was aghast. Another ad in English was pretty normal, but still only $100 per hour and included the backdoor. And oh, she visited one client that was expecting anal because it was listed in the ad. Missy relented. This asswipe was NOT a gentleman about it and she asked him to stop when it became too painful. But he wouldn't and just kept plowing away. I am sorry, but that is fucking RAPE in my book.

    Another time Nikki called Tiffany and said she was running $80 specials all night, like that was something to be excited about. Tiffany said fuck that, I'm not driving across town for 40 fucking dollars!

    So anyway, Missy called a few weeks ago saying her car broke down on the side of the road and the next day the towing company said it was gone. Stolen. She wanted a loan for a just a junker, which I couldn't provide even if I wanted to (not) but I did say I'd give her a ride to school at least till the semester was over and so on. I've heard it all, trust me, but I actually believed her.

    Then three weeks ago Missy called saying she was really sick and asked for a ride to the ER at Grady. I said,"Why Grady? The hospital next door to me is right up the road from you". She told me she had moved to Decatur. OK, that explains the stolen car, LOL.

    So I drove to Decatur and then to Grady and sat with her in that hell-hole of a waiting room with her all afternoon. Her cousin finally called and said she could pick her up later. But before I left I located the restrooms in case she had to puke, only to see signs on the door saying "key located at front desk!" WTF? What if you got to puke?

    Well, her cousin didn't need to come because she was admitted for pneumonia. She ended up staying there for three damn weeks and only just got out the other day. Yes, I picked her up and she still looked like hammered shit, had lost a huge amount of weight, and could barely talk. She had no money at all and her phone was about to be shut off, so I paid it ($100). She also had no food in the house so the next day Thursday I drove to Decatur in the driving rain and gave her $150 worth of supplies.

    Did I get a Thank You? Barely, but only after I later texted her to ask if she liked the stuff I picked out.

    Today she texted asking for a ride to the store around 2. I said I could right now (at 12) but was going to a football party at 1 and tomorrow morning would be much better if she could wait.

    The only response I got was "never mind".

    I mean, is that FUCKING IT?

    What an ungrateful fucking by&th.

    /rant. Very sorry. I had to do it.

    (Jackson: dashes, hyphens, and ellipses are a part of English grammar. I am SO tired of re-editing posts so I don't come off as an idiot. I do admit I often use ellipses for effect and not properly.)

    Edit: too painful, not to painful. Sorry, maybe I AM an idiot.
    Just pneumonia huh? Are you sure it was just that? She didn't do any heavy duty drugs or drink a lot? Just sounds like she almost died in the hospital, LOL.

  7. #13554
    Quote Originally Posted by Juker  [View Original Post]
    Well I kept this info in the PMs to a few Senior guys but see no reason any longer. I am really pissed and need to rant.

    An Erica want-to-be named Nikki was posting for a while on CL / CE for a few girls. Via email she told me they were just a bunch of girls with jobs and so-on, just sharing info and helping one another. I saw one named Tiffany (yet another Tiffany. I must have four in my phone already...
    They will take advantage of you as long as you let them. Usually with NO thanks! Buyer Beware!

  8. #13553
    I'd be pissed too. Some of these girls get so jaded they can't see you as anything other than a mark. Kudos for helping her, but I think I would let her find her way next time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Juker  [View Original Post]
    Well I kept this info in the PMs to a few Senior guys but see no reason any longer. I am really pissed and need to rant.

    An Erica want-to-be named Nikki was posting for a while on CL / CE for a few girls. Via email she told me they were just a bunch of girls with jobs and so-on, just sharing info and helping one another. I saw one named Tiffany (yet another Tiffany. I must have four in my phone already). She was hot as hell but unfortunately she moved to Chicago last week. At least she'll be visiting her Mom here occasionally.

    Another was "Missy". She was outcall from nearby Norcross at the time I saw her (twice). I "thought" she was a really sweet girl.

    By the second time I had figured Nikki out. She barely advertizes, does no screening that I could tell, and keeps 50 percent of the total. On top of that she way undercuts the rates in the few ads she does post. Missy says she normally wants 150-160 outcall and that she told Nikki she'd do anything except swallow and anal. Well, Nikki posted one ad for her in Spanish (though Nikki doesn't speak it) that read,"$40 deep blow job and I will clean you with my throat, or $80 per hour". I translated this for Missy and she was aghast. Another ad in English was pretty normal, but still only $100 per hour and included the backdoor. And oh, she visited one client that was expecting anal because it was listed in the ad. Missy relented. This asswipe was NOT a gentleman about it and she asked him to stop when it became to painful. But he wouldn't and just kept plowing away. I am sorry, but that is fucking RAPE in my book.

    Another time Nikki called Tiffany and said she was running $80 specials all night, like that was something to be excited about. Tiffany said fuck that, I'm not driving across town for 40 fucking dollars!

    So anyway, Missy called a few weeks ago saying her car broke down on the side of the road and the next day the towing company said it was gone. Stolen. She wanted a loan for a just a junker, which I couldn't provide even if I wanted to (not) but I did say I'd give her a ride to school at least till the semester was over and so on. I've heard it all, trust me, but I actually believed her.

    Then three weeks ago Missy called saying she was really sick and asked for a ride to the ER at Grady. I said,"Why Grady? The hospital next door to me is right up the road from you". She told me she had moved to Decatur. OK, that explains the stolen car, LOL.

    So I drove to Decatur and then to Grady and sat with her in that hell-hole of a waiting room with her all afternoon. Her cousin finally called and said she could pick her up later. But before I left I located the restrooms in case she had to puke, only to see signs on the door saying "key located at front desk!" WTF? What if you got to puke?

    Well, her cousin didn't need to come because she was admitted for pneumonia. She ended up staying there for three damn weeks and only just got out the other day. Yes, I picked her up and she still looked like hammered shit, had lost a huge amount of weight, and could barely talk. She had no money at all and her phone was about to be shut off, so I paid it ($100). She also had no food in the house so the next day Thursday I drove to Decatur in the driving rain and gave her $150 worth of supplies.

    Did I get a Thank You? Barely, but only after I later texted her to ask if she liked the stuff I picked out.

    Today she texted asking for a ride to the store around 2. I said I could right now (at 12) but was going to a football party at 1 and tomorrow morning would be much better if she could wait.

    The only response I got was "never mind".

    I mean, is that FUCKING IT?

    What an ungrateful fucking by&th.

    /rant. Very sorry. I had to do it.

    (Jackson: dashes, hyphens, and ellipses are a part of English grammar. I am SO tired of re-editing posts.)

  9. #13552
    Senior Member


    Posts: 338

    Some are just plain ungrateful!

    Well I kept this info in the PMs to a few Senior guys but see no reason any longer. I am really pissed and need to rant.

    An Erica want-to-be named Nikki was posting for a while on CL / CE for a few girls. Via email she told me they were just a bunch of girls with jobs and so-on, just sharing info and helping one another. I saw one named Tiffany (yet another Tiffany. I must have four in my phone already). She was hot as hell but unfortunately she moved to Chicago last week. At least she'll be visiting her Mom here occasionally.

    Another was "Missy". She was outcall from nearby Norcross at the time I saw her (twice). I "thought" she was a really sweet girl.

    By the second time I had figured Nikki out. This is no "group of friends." Nikki barely advertizes, does no screening that I could tell, and keeps 50 percent of the total. On top of that she way undercuts the rates in the few ads she does post. Missy says she normally wants 150-160 outcall and that she told Nikki she'd do anything except swallow and anal. Well, Nikki posted one ad for her in Spanish (though Nikki doesn't speak it) that read,"$40 deep blow job and I will clean you with my throat, or $80 per hour". I translated this for Missy and she was aghast. Another ad in English was pretty normal, but still only $100 per hour and included the backdoor. And oh, she visited one client that was expecting anal because it was listed in the ad. Missy relented. This asswipe was NOT a gentleman about it and she asked him to stop when it became too painful. But he wouldn't and just kept plowing away. I am sorry, but that is fucking RAPE in my book.

    Another time Nikki called Tiffany and said she was running $80 specials all night, like that was something to be excited about. Tiffany said fuck that, I'm not driving across town for 40 fucking dollars!

    So anyway, Missy called a few weeks ago saying her car broke down on the side of the road and the next day the towing company said it was gone. Stolen. She wanted a loan for a just a junker, which I couldn't provide even if I wanted to (not) but I did say I'd give her a ride to school at least till the semester was over and so on. I've heard it all, trust me, but I actually believed her.

    Then three weeks ago Missy called saying she was really sick and asked for a ride to the ER at Grady. I said,"Why Grady? The hospital next door to me is right up the road from you". She told me she had moved to Decatur. OK, that explains the stolen car, LOL.

    So I drove to Decatur and then to Grady and sat with her in that hell-hole of a waiting room with her all afternoon. Her cousin finally called and said she could pick her up later. But before I left I located the restrooms in case she had to puke, only to see signs on the door saying "key located at front desk!" WTF? What if you got to puke?

    Well, her cousin didn't need to come because she was admitted for pneumonia. She ended up staying there for three damn weeks and only just got out the other day. Yes, I picked her up and she still looked like hammered shit, had lost a huge amount of weight, and could barely talk. She had no money at all and her phone was about to be shut off, so I paid it ($100). She also had no food in the house so the next day Thursday I drove to Decatur in the driving rain and gave her $150 worth of supplies.

    Did I get a Thank You? Barely, but only after I later texted her to ask if she liked the stuff I picked out.

    Today she texted asking for a ride to the store around 2. I said I could right now (at 12) but was going to a football party at 1 and tomorrow morning would be much better if she could wait.

    The only response I got was "never mind".

    I mean, is that FUCKING IT?

    What an ungrateful fucking by&th.

    /rant. Very sorry. I had to do it.

    (Jackson: dashes, hyphens, and ellipses are a part of English grammar. I am SO tired of re-editing posts so I don't come off as an idiot. I do admit I often use ellipses for effect and not properly.)

    Edit: too painful, not to painful. Sorry, maybe I AM an idiot.

  10. #13551

    Keep trying

    Quote Originally Posted by Ruch1  [View Original Post]
    Work CL hard for a week and only had spam bots trying to get my CC information. Are there any real girls on CL or should I stop trying. Anyone have other ways to find single moms or lonely wives that is discreet. Don't have time to prowl the bars or anything. Just enough time for about an hour that's all. Need to keep my activities off the wifies radar.
    Admittedly I have only met one from CL / CE and that was over a year ago but she was a pretty sexy blonde white soccer mom who wanted nothing more than to spend the night fucking. We did that for a few weeks off and on then I lost contact with her. Damned shame. She was fucking fun!

  11. #13550

    Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Niteluvr  [View Original Post]
    What website did you find her on? Simply highlight the URL, right-click, copy, then paste the URL into your USASG post.
    Thanks for the info on posting links.

    Will use it going forward.

  12. #13549
    Banned Member


    Posts: 13634
    Quote Originally Posted by Gashy Guy  [View Original Post]
    I have had the same mixup with her. I have seen the older blonde a few times. I believe her number ends with 9224. Do you know the number of the 40 year old in the back? I would like to give her a try.

    Thanks in advance.
    This is her ad: http://atlanta.backpage.com/Therapeu...-1394/15335362

  13. #13548
    Quote Originally Posted by Niteluvr  [View Original Post]
    Called this woman today:

    http://atlanta.backpage.com/Therapeu...-9224/15270579

    Saw her once at least a year ago. Works out of a run-down office building behind a KFC on Chamblee-Tucker / 285. There's also another woman who works out of the same building with short brown hair. Their ads are often placed next to each other on BP so I get them confused. Got there and was disappointed that I chose the wrong ad because I ended up at the door of the 60-something blonde named Emily. Told her I thought I had called the other woman. Turns out they're friends so she called the other woman and then told me to go to the back of the building to see Desiree. Was pleasantly surprised because Desiree has a really nice body for a woman 0f 47, a nice curvy ass and firm B-cups, no flab and a decent face. She normally gets $60 for a half hour nude massage with HJ but she had a client on the way so we agreed on $40 for 20 minutes. Desiree actually gave a pretty good massage for 10-15 minutes, flipped over and she finished me off with a quality HJ. Unfortunately she doesn't do anything more than a nude HJ as I would love to hit it from behind. She'll allow rubbing her pussy but no FIV and no busting a nut anywhere on her body.

    Will probably go back sometime.
    I have had the same mixup with her. I have seen the older blonde a few times. I believe her number ends with 9224. Do you know the number of the 40 year old in the back? I would like to give her a try.

    Thanks in advance.

  14. #13547
    Banned Member


    Posts: 13634
    Thanks for the URL. Another one to cross off my boner list.

  15. #13546
    Banned Member


    Posts: 13634
    Quote Originally Posted by Svtcobra  [View Original Post]
    http://atlanta.backpage.com/FemaleEs...ow-23/14962149

    Her first review. All I could do was laugh and feel sorry.

    Attachment 220257
    What are you saying? This isn't marriage material?

Posting Limitations

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
High Class Companions
Live Escorts
LoveHUB Escorts Directory

Protected by Copyscape