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  1. #4981

    I'm With Gansett

    Without restarting the whole debate again, I agree with Gansett. Considering the risks for both are equal, to me it seems downright stupid for a monger to give a provider any personal information for screening purposes. I know some argue that it's done for provider safety but to me that's too much of a risk for mongers privacy. The provider and monger both take safety risks in this venture; can anyone guarantee the monger won't hurt the provider even after screening? Or that the provider is not going to sell, lose, or exploit the mongers info? No one can. So like Gansett said, if you're OK with screening then go ahead but there are plenty of other options out there. As for me, no thanks.

  2. #4980

    Total Bunk. IMHO.

    Thanks for the info. I apologize to you if I offend you, but I don't believe one scintilla of your post. Could this have happened? Sure, there are crazies out there and there are incredibly stupid guys, as well.

    But to come on here, and your only post is this account of your alleged experience, is just not credible.

    Perhaps you should have posted in the Special Interest Forum, Amateur Section.

    Quote Originally Posted by Linearme  [View Original Post]
    Been around a long time. Stay off the circut for discretion. Right.

    However, I'm not smart. I've been set up twice and got hammered. Not LE but nuts.

    The first was in my apt in Boston (a rental for a pied a terre that ended badly and broke me up). So, what does a man like us do? I hookup with this hot hispanic chic and somehow let her move in for the weekend (I was going to be away). Well she moved in alright. With everything! Her whole life. And when I tell her this is no good she tells me that she's not going and I better keep paying and she has pictures and movies (computer cam) of us. Fucking nightmare. A couple grand in lawyers (thanks Austin) and a couple to get her to bug out and it was over. Not before she did end up calling my wife (I found out a year later).

    The next one was scarier. I answered an ad of CL and it looked TGTBT. But I went for it anyway. I drive to a town center and wait for the apartment number. Next email I get is this:

    "Well ____ (my real name) I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is I'm not a cop. The bad news is I'm not the girl. I'm someone who knows everything about you (goes on to list name, address, business number, etc.)" I ended up paying over a grand at a drop. Shaking all the way. Terrified me out of the hobby. My guess it was an unemployed computer expert who hit rough times and had a moral objection to the hobby. I actually forgive the guy and appreciate the scared straight day from hell.

    So, my brothers. Beware. Fucking crazies out there.

  3. #4979
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1384
    Please allow me to quote my last paragraph.

    "We aren't going to change their business model, they aren't going to change ours, or at least mine. Don't like the game rules you don't have to play on that court, there are others."

    If you gave me your truthful information so I could screen you using the same methods as you maybe things would be different. But you won't so the whole subject is moot.

    As I said if you don't like the rules take your balls and go home or find another court to play on.

    You'll find this hard to believe but you are not the only 'upscale escort' around.

  4. #4978

    Please Share

    Quote Originally Posted by Linearme  [View Original Post]
    Been around a long time. Stay off the circut for discretion. Right.

    However, I'm not smart. I've been set up twice and got hammered. Not LE but nuts.

    The first was in my apt in Boston (a rental for a pied a terre that ended badly and broke me up). So, what does a man like us do? I hookup with this hot hispanic chic and somehow let her move in for the weekend (I was going to be away). Well she moved in alright. With everything! Her whole life. And when I tell her this is no good she tells me that she's not going and I better keep paying and she has pictures and movies (computer cam) of us. Fucking nightmare. A couple grand in lawyers (thanks Austin) and a couple to get her to bug out and it was over. Not before she did end up calling my wife (I found out a year later).

    The next one was scarier. I answered an ad of CL and it looked TGTBT. But I went for it anyway. I drive to a town center and wait for the apartment number. Next email I get is this:

    "Well ____ (my real name) I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is I'm not a cop. The bad news is I'm not the girl. I'm someone who knows everything about you (goes on to list name, address, business number, etc.)" I ended up paying over a grand at a drop. Shaking all the way. Terrified me out of the hobby. My guess it was an unemployed computer expert who hit rough times and had a moral objection to the hobby. I actually forgive the guy and appreciate the scared straight day from hell.

    So, my brothers. Beware. Fucking crazies out there.
    You should give a few more details so the rest of us don't end up with these nuts.

  5. #4977

    The Zumba girl didn

    The Zumba girl didn't screen, she just video taped them and sold the tapes online. All you had to do was call her ad, and she told you to come on over and gave the address. She had a private investigator that ran the guys tag numbers once they pulled into the parking lot. This goes to show escorts who don't screen have issues, are desperate and are more likely to get you arrested or rip you off. So keep talking about the Zumba girl and screening at the same time, they have nothing to do with each other. Nobody expects you to screen Gansett, but why are you ok with putting all the other guys in danger with your bad advice, we all know girls who don't screen get arrested more often, which means the client may be there and get arrested too. So when bashing the screening process that any upscale escort nationwide requires please try to at least link it too a relevant story, rather than the Zumba girl.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gansett  [View Original Post]
    By now it is easy to figure where I stand on screening, my personal info is just that. It's my personal info. When banks, retailers and government agencies can be hacked for info a providers computer is not going to be a challenge. I realize our SS number won't be on the providers computer but our name and work number, unless self employed, is. Just one over zealous reporter trying to make their name can cause a lot of grief. Forget LE, ask the guys waiting for the other shoe to drop who took zumba "classes" when names etc are released and published and the TV crew is in their driveway.

    On the other hand there's a lot of freakin' whackos out there that providers need to avoid, they feel screening is the way to do so.

    We aren't going to change their business model, they aren't going to change ours, or at least mine. Don't like the game rules you don't have to play on that court, there are others.

  6. #4976
    She's awesome. Not a 25 year old spinner but one of my favorites.

    Quote Originally Posted by R Lawrence  [View Original Post]
    Mssunny@escortfiles.com;

    I have recently had a long dry spell as a result of some extended medical treatments and was needing some hot T. L. C. I emailed my ATF Carli since I prefer a GFE session and she cheerfully and consistently accommodates my expectations. She had some time available to arrive at my place in 2 days as arranged.

    She arrived on time following the 1 hour drive, and bounced up the steps with a big warm smile, and firm. 38dd's bouncing under her blouse. Her hair is blonde, stature about 5'3" solid and stocky build, with a firm apple ass.

    We got the hello kiss out of the way and settled into a glass of wine to unwind a bit. About 1/2 way through the wine, she started foundling my equipment while opening my zipper. I felt some cool air brush my cock while she dropped to her knees on the area rug covering the kitchen floor. After a time, when she brought me to arousal with her wet mouth, she rose to her feet, took my hand, and headed towards the bedroom. After more "nookie" free months than I care to count, I offered no objections.

    On the bed, she slipped off her skirt and panties, and unbuttoned the blouse. As she laid back, her legs spread open generously to offer full and complete access to her shaved and tight pussy. Her full breasts spilled out encouraging me to play with them. I left my pants, shorts and shirt next to the bed so she could have her way with me as she pleased.

    We started with DFK, tit massage then petting each others pleasure regions until she came. Since is is a multi- orgasmic girl, we both agreed to move into some 69, to insure her wetness and prepare me for a bumpy ride.

    In the oral position, she came again, while getting me firm at the same time. She slipped protection in place so deftly that I barely noticed, then pulled her pussy away from my mouth and mounted me cow girl. She is so naturally tight that it took a while to penetrate to full depth. Once she accomplished that, it was off to the bronco event. Her hips move swiftly like a wind up doll might rock and buck, until a brief, few minutes later she came again, during which, her eyes rolled back and moans of pleasure passed her throat like a purring cat.

    At this point we agreed to start with me on top to loosen her up. After a a few short thrusts we switched to a crab position to provide a more effortless movement and allow us both to feel more pleasure.

    After 10 minutes or so I was very close and she was close again also. As good fortune would have it as I came, she did also both gushing hot cum on my cock, and having her tight, pussy muscle contractions squeeze me while still inside.

    She is a good girl, always offering to gently cup my balls while I cum in her pussy.

    I do find that there are advantages to getting to know each others responses and building a bridge of trust, so that each can relax and go with the flow.

    Sincerely,

    R. Lawrence

  7. #4975
    Mssunny@escortfiles.com;

    I have recently had a long dry spell as a result of some extended medical treatments and was needing some hot T. L. C. I emailed my ATF Carli since I prefer a GFE session and she cheerfully and consistently accommodates my expectations. She had some time available to arrive at my place in 2 days as arranged.

    She arrived on time following the 1 hour drive, and bounced up the steps with a big warm smile, and firm. 38dd's bouncing under her blouse. Her hair is blonde, stature about 5'3" solid and stocky build, with a firm apple ass.

    We got the hello kiss out of the way and settled into a glass of wine to unwind a bit. About 1/2 way through the wine, she started foundling my equipment while opening my zipper. I felt some cool air brush my cock while she dropped to her knees on the area rug covering the kitchen floor. After a time, when she brought me to arousal with her wet mouth, she rose to her feet, took my hand, and headed towards the bedroom. After more "nookie" free months than I care to count, I offered no objections.

    On the bed, she slipped off her skirt and panties, and unbuttoned the blouse. As she laid back, her legs spread open generously to offer full and complete access to her shaved and tight pussy. Her full breasts spilled out encouraging me to play with them. I left my pants, shorts and shirt next to the bed so she could have her way with me as she pleased.

    We started with DFK, tit massage then petting each others pleasure regions until she came. Since is is a multi- orgasmic girl, we both agreed to move into some 69, to insure her wetness and prepare me for a bumpy ride.

    In the oral position, she came again, while getting me firm at the same time. She slipped protection in place so deftly that I barely noticed, then pulled her pussy away from my mouth and mounted me cow girl. She is so naturally tight that it took a while to penetrate to full depth. Once she accomplished that, it was off to the bronco event. Her hips move swiftly like a wind up doll might rock and buck, until a brief, few minutes later she came again, during which, her eyes rolled back and moans of pleasure passed her throat like a purring cat.

    At this point we agreed to start with me on top to loosen her up. After a a few short thrusts we switched to a crab position to provide a more effortless movement and allow us both to feel more pleasure.

    After 10 minutes or so I was very close and she was close again also. As good fortune would have it as I came, she did also both gushing hot cum on my cock, and having her tight, pussy muscle contractions squeeze me while still inside.

    She is a good girl, always offering to gently cup my balls while I cum in her pussy.

    I do find that there are advantages to getting to know each others responses and building a bridge of trust, so that each can relax and go with the flow.

    Sincerely,

    R. Lawrence

  8. #4974

    Horror stories

    Been around a long time. Stay off the circut for discretion. Right.

    However, I'm not smart. I've been set up twice and got hammered. Not LE but nuts.

    The first was in my apt in Boston (a rental for a pied a terre that ended badly and broke me up). So, what does a man like us do? I hookup with this hot hispanic chic and somehow let her move in for the weekend (I was going to be away). Well she moved in alright. With everything! Her whole life. And when I tell her this is no good she tells me that she's not going and I better keep paying and she has pictures and movies (computer cam) of us. Fucking nightmare. A couple grand in lawyers (thanks Austin) and a couple to get her to bug out and it was over. Not before she did end up calling my wife (I found out a year later).

    The next one was scarier. I answered an ad of CL and it looked TGTBT. But I went for it anyway. I drive to a town center and wait for the apartment number. Next email I get is this:

    "Well ____ (my real name) I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is I'm not a cop. The bad news is I'm not the girl. I'm someone who knows everything about you (goes on to list name, address, business number, etc.)" I ended up paying over a grand at a drop. Shaking all the way. Terrified me out of the hobby. My guess it was an unemployed computer expert who hit rough times and had a moral objection to the hobby. I actually forgive the guy and appreciate the scared straight day from hell.

    So, my brothers. Beware. Fucking crazies out there.

  9. #4973
    Quote Originally Posted by Jariles10  [View Original Post]
    Anyone have any good things to say about Boston Tiffany that posted today? Was thinking of giving her a call.
    She is the real deal.

    Charming, witty and an awesome provider.

    Have a great time!

  10. #4972

    Boston Tiffany

    Anyone have any good things to say about Boston Tiffany that posted today? Was thinking of giving her a call.

  11. #4971

    Well said-both sides of verification

    Not to clutter with posts but I do want to say IMHO this post summarizes the main jist of both sides of the issue extremely well and succinctly and comes to what I think is an extremely sensible and respectful conclusion (oi mean the posters stance on the matter). Frickin well said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gansett  [View Original Post]
    By now it is easy to figure where I stand on screening, my personal info is just that. It's my personal info. When banks, retailers and government agencies can be hacked for info a providers computer is not going to be a challenge. I realize our SS number won't be on the providers computer but our name and work number, unless self employed, is. Just one over zealous reporter trying to make their name can cause a lot of grief. Forget LE, ask the guys waiting for the other shoe to drop who took zumba "classes" when names etc are released and published and the TV crew is in their driveway.

    On the other hand there's a lot of freakin' whackos out there that providers need to avoid, they feel screening is the way to do so.

    We aren't going to change their business model, they aren't going to change ours, or at least mine. Don't like the game rules you don't have to play on that court, there are others.

  12. #4970

    One more thing regarding caution

    To finish my previous post one more thing regarding precautions and be. S. Posts: I generally do not trust any reports from newbies even if there are no red flags. I just don't know if its a sting or some kind of dubious situation or setup.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alintas  [View Original Post]
    You know what? Darn good points. I hadn considere psycho scenarios; only LE ones. And you are probably right about the Way the LE scenarios might play out. Some of this I did not know and I regret nyx revealing stuff. I suppose "I've got good reAsons which I can't divulge" or even "thems the rules if you don't like them go elsewhere nobodys forcingu" would be good enough answers tht any of us ought to respect. In fact nyx provided a polite version of the "thems the rules" answer and that was good enough for me but since someone mentioned the coffee thing (and I was naie enough to think hardly anyone would ever suggest this!) I found it interestin (again naively unaware that yes nyx and others have thought this thru and it doesn't suit or address their safety needs) I'm grateful forthe explanation (thank you, Nyx) while also lamentin the revealing of trade secrets in case some low lifes use info to then somehow one up or dupe a provider.

    Similarly I have cringed slightly when posters call be. S. On a fAke advertisement and then mention various red flags. Aside from discussing tineye type searches it might be wise to simply call be. S. And not reveal why. This way LE or pimps or unscrupulous people don't become educated in what constitutes a red flag and thereby eventually learn to creat more perfect deceptions puttin mongers or anyone at risk. Perhaps folks could share more sophisticated detection red flags via PM.

    I'm not accusing anyone. This is just a thought but without judgemet asto any who have or might in the future give admittedly helpful explanations regardin how they knew a post was be. S.

    While I'm posting on more thin on yet a third topic.

  13. #4969

    Darn good points

    You know what? Darn good points. I hadn considere psycho scenarios; only LE ones. And you are probably right about the Way the LE scenarios might play out. Some of this I did not know and I regret nyx revealing stuff. I suppose "I've got good reAsons which I can't divulge" or even "thems the rules if you don't like them go elsewhere nobodys forcingu" would be good enough answers tht any of us ought to respect. In fact nyx provided a polite version of the "thems the rules" answer and that was good enough for me but since someone mentioned the coffee thing (and I was naie enough to think hardly anyone would ever suggest this!) I found it interestin (again naively unaware that yes nyx and others have thought this thru and it doesn't suit or address their safety needs) I'm grateful forthe explanation (thank you, Nyx) while also lamentin the revealing of trade secrets in case some low lifes use info to then somehow one up or dupe a provider.

    Similarly I have cringed slightly when posters call be. S. On a fAke advertisement and then mention various red flags. Aside from discussing tineye type searches it might be wise to simply call be. S. And not reveal why. This way LE or pimps or unscrupulous people don't become educated in what constitutes a red flag and thereby eventually learn to creat more perfect deceptions puttin mongers or anyone at risk. Perhaps folks could share more sophisticated detection red flags via PM.

    I'm not accusing anyone. This is just a thought but without judgemet asto any who have or might in the future give admittedly helpful explanations regardin how they knew a post was be. S.

    While I'm posting on more thin on yet a third topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nyx GG  [View Original Post]
    I get this request a lot from guys trying to avoid screening. At least once a day. But the problem is that it proves nothing, and is still dangerous for the provider. If you were someone planning to rape, rob, kidnap, kill, me, you wouldn't be dumb enough to do it in a public place. You'd wait until you've lulled me into a false sense of security, and we were alone. A lot of those kinds of guys are very charming, it's how they're often able to do the things they do.

    If you're Uncle Leo, you'll arrest me as soon as we meet whether I've incriminated myself or not. They let the the worry about whether or not there's enough evidence to prosecute. If I was dumb enough to have anything incriminating on me at the time of the arrest, eg condoms, work phone, etc, they'll use that as evidence of my intent to commit a crime. Even if the case is thrown out, I've still been arrested, had to bail myself out, wasted hours in jail waiting for bail, and more time wasted in court. In addition, now Uncle Leo knows my real name, and address, so they can start a proper investigation.

    From my point of view, it simply isn't worth the risk, there are plenty of guys out there who have no problem providing the information I need to ensure the safety of my girls, and myself.

    Nyx

  14. #4968
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1384

    Here we go, again

    By now it is easy to figure where I stand on screening, my personal info is just that. It's my personal info. When banks, retailers and government agencies can be hacked for info a providers computer is not going to be a challenge. I realize our SS number won't be on the providers computer but our name and work number, unless self employed, is. Just one over zealous reporter trying to make their name can cause a lot of grief. Forget LE, ask the guys waiting for the other shoe to drop who took zumba "classes" when names etc are released and published and the TV crew is in their driveway.

    On the other hand there's a lot of freakin' whackos out there that providers need to avoid, they feel screening is the way to do so.

    We aren't going to change their business model, they aren't going to change ours, or at least mine. Don't like the game rules you don't have to play on that court, there are others.

  15. #4967
    Forum Advertiser


    Posts: 66

    Coffee "verification" fallacy

    Quote Originally Posted by Alintas  [View Original Post]
    Interesting because I once asked an indie the samething: if we could meet for coffee and I'd still pay for the time but the person didt go for it. I'd show my license and entire wallet contents at a coffee place but I am loathe to provide any info to a website database.
    I get this request a lot from guys trying to avoid screening. At least once a day. But the problem is that it proves nothing, and is still dangerous for the provider. If you were someone planning to rape, rob, kidnap, kill, me, you wouldn't be dumb enough to do it in a public place. You'd wait until you've lulled me into a false sense of security, and we were alone. A lot of those kinds of guys are very charming, it's how they're often able to do the things they do.

    If you're Uncle Leo, you'll arrest me as soon as we meet whether I've incriminated myself or not. They let the the worry about whether or not there's enough evidence to prosecute. If I was dumb enough to have anything incriminating on me at the time of the arrest, eg condoms, work phone, etc, they'll use that as evidence of my intent to commit a crime. Even if the case is thrown out, I've still been arrested, had to bail myself out, wasted hours in jail waiting for bail, and more time wasted in court. In addition, now Uncle Leo knows my real name, and address, so they can start a proper investigation.

    From my point of view, it simply isn't worth the risk, there are plenty of guys out there who have no problem providing the information I need to ensure the safety of my girls, and myself.

    Nyx

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