"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Literal2]

Some of you mongers are definitely more open to emotional attachment with sbs than I am. Good luck with that, guys. I wouldn't be able to handle it.

I'm not doing much with sbs at present. The last one I fucked was sb 18 more than 10 days ago. She is definitely a HYB. 23, and I think I've now fucked her as many times as I fucked sb4, definitely another HYB, although 27 and a momma. So in my mind anyway the MILF and HYB categories are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

SB4: I continue to have contact with sb4 and send her sugar from time to time. She often asks me for sugar and I usually refuse if I'm not actually opening her pussy at the time but I want to keep her around and interested so I have subsidized her a little bit. Nothing like what she asks for, but she still hasn't broken off with me. I won't get to see her again for another several months, but I exchange email with her every few weeks. I posted a pic of her HYB ass, prefuck, a while back and may post another.

SB18: My other atf. She never contacts me, never asks for sugar. One time she said after orgasm that she felt like she was tricking me into giving her sugar for something she loved to do anyway. I haven't heard from her since I last fucked her. I may post a pic of her HYB pussy.

Other sbs who am still in touch with are:

SB9, 27 and single, big boobed, somewhat fleshy though not fat (yet) , not an HYB or a MILF. She sends me emails every couple of weeks just to stay in touch. No requests for sugar. She never mentioned sugar either.

SB11, 27 and HYB. Too wham bam for me, she's contacted me several times requesting another session and / or more sugar. I don't plan to see her again.

SB3, 30 and a momma, not a HYB because her thighs are too big, a young MILF. This girl cums easily but wants her pussy fingered until she cums and squirts. Never saw this before. She never mentions sugar but contacts me every few weeks asking for another session.

Another two MILF sbs contacted me. (In writing this I realized I've fucked more sb MILFs than I thought.) I forget their sb numbers. One is a heavy girl, probably 38-9, very shy but very passionate. When I replied I asked her if she was contacting me because she wanted to get fucked again, she replied "yes!" She's never mentioned sugar. Another was my little hard working redneck trucker. She just asked if we could get together again. No mention of sugar.

Another HYB who contacted me was a 23 year old smoker with offspring. Too messy and dumb, I won't see her again. She spoke sweetly but clearly just wanted more sugar.

The only sbs I'm not still in touch with are: sb2, who was not a MILF (no kids) , not a HYB (she was chubby) .32. She never said anything about sugar until she emailed me the sugar I gave her wasn't enough. She was an office manager type and freaky for me in the sack. She squited like a fire hose the first time and slipped my dick up her butt minus the condom. Also: sb1 who moved away. 28, a HYB. Never said anything about sugar other than thanks. I posted a pic of her pussy and may post another. She was a veteran. Also the fat girl whose pussy I opened up for a pic, of course. She did contact me for another session but I'm not going there.

One thing I really like about the HYBs is that the flesh above and around their pussy is like firm rubber. You press it with a finger and the skin immediately returns to its original form. As they get older it softens up. You press on it and it

[Hernando]

It has been hot this week, not only outside but in the fucking chamber with my HYB. This girl is absolutely a perfect SB for me although I am aware that at any moment she could vanish without a word. I managed 3 all nighters with her this week and so far am not tiring of her. Since I am not multifucking at the moment I haven't had any new info to share with the board.

However. 3 milfs have reentered the scene :

#1 My (only) Fling girl called to get together after a long absence, but so far we have not been able to schedule it because I don't want to give up a free night I could otherwise see my HYB. I will take my HYB any day over a randon bit of MILF strange.

#2 MILF is visiting town soon and I will have a reunion with her since my HYB is (rarely) unavailable that night. I am sexually satisfied but you know how the little head wants constant stimulation. She has no children and is tighter than a 16 yr old so she is good sport anyway.

#3 MILF who is married and a prominent citizen in her community has reentered my life asking me not to give up on her. So the specter of a repeat fucking of this love starved MILF is still on the table. I miss this one because her breasts are DD's and nips crown their surface the size of wine corks.

Now, on to the topic brought up above robbers.

I have mentioned in separate posts about these thieves, but thought it would be worth reiterating to the board at large, since I am sure I am not the only sucker who has fallen for a sob story and advanced money.

#1. HYB who is rather trashy, but hot and a decent but uninspired fuck hit me up for a free place to stay in return for service privileges. Against all advice on this board Nando junior took over and the temptation was too great. Well, you know what happened. She skipped after a number of months never to be heard from again.

#2. Trashy N 1/4 oral specialist but mediochre fucker scammed me out of advance sugar after a fairly long affair disappearing without a trace, and

#3. HYB N-1 / stripper who is super hot but a soso fucker totally disappeared after receiving gifts in spite of a discussion about the resposibilities of each partner.

The common thread here IMHO is the lack of passion and engagement in the relationship. If a girl does not seem to be into you but going through the motions one should realize that you are being set up for a fall. Many of these girls are emotionally damaged goods and as such are incapable of bonding in a normal way or dealing responsibly with their partner. They view themselves as victims and you as marks deserving of a fleecing. I can't emphasize enough the necessity of paying only as you go.

MR. I am sorry about the lack of response to your queries of these HYBs. I am not surprised at their behavior and can only guess that they are playing multiple guys off each other. Some I'm sure are on this board doing the same thing you are, but offering a better deal. Money talks and high sugar donations will get you the gold. Keep trying. I found my current HYB after a long search and a lot of luck and I only hope she lasts a long time. I lost a hot one I saw twice who I had screaming in the sheets playing her like a violin to a higher donor.

[Magic Rat]

Seems to be a little quiet in here this week so I'm giving my HYB update, or last thereof.

As I've posted here several times, I've had much better success with the MILF's than with the HYB's, but upon suggestions of some of our more successful mongers here, I decided to hit the HYB pool recently. I contacted several and got 4 responses, which is probably a little above my normal response rate, thanks to some pointers I've gotten on this thread. One I had to respectfully decline as she had a terminal case of GPS (to the tune of a starting amount of sugar of $500. Too rich for the old Rat). The other three seemed interested and asked for pics, tell them about myself etc. For whatever reason, I have heard back from none of the three! I'm not that bad looking a guy, I can make myself sound more interesting than I am, and I don't say anything sexually related until the sb does. Still no response! I'm thinking about giving it a few more days and contact them again, just as a courtesy to let them know I'm still around. Unfortunately, there aren't that many HYB's in my neck of the woods and I sent a PM to all of them. I've been around enough to know that you can't force this shit on them. If they aren't interested, they aren't interested. Still I was surprised of the lack of followup responses. At least I still have the MILF pool.

Damn! After writing the above I did remember one that did respond and we've been in contact through I'm's, texts, emails, etc, with a tentative meeting set up next week. I forgot because I wouldn't consider her a HYB. Her profile says she's 32, which may mean 35, and she has some meat on her bones. She does talk a good game so I guess I'll find out next week one way or the other.

Have we all been staying inside trying to keep cool? We can turn the A / C up in the fucking chamber you know. What's everybody else been up to this week?

[Literal2]

I know we've discussed multifucking from the sd side, but what about from our sb side? Do you have sb (s) that only fuck you? Do you care?

I ask because supposedly my latest was only seeing me, but I now have reason to believe I'm not her only sd and it bothers me a little more than it should. My solution to that has been to jump back into the sd / sb pool and see what shows up. I'm also only fishing in the YHB fishing hole, and so far I've gotten a couple of nibbles. I'll be sure and give progress reports.

M. R, in my case, I don't ask and don't tell. Most of the sbs I've seen have brought up exclusivity, either as something they are looking for ("to have just one sd") or as "I'm not fucking anybody else." While I am pleased by this, I don't reciprocate or respond because I don't want to encourage a sb to rely on me too much. I worry it will lead to demands for more money, time, etc. Oddly enough, my two favorite sbs have not made such requests or claims. So I assume they are fucking other people. Sometimes I wonder how they can be so intimate and still be fucking other guys, given what I know about female psychology, but I don't push them on it.

[Literal2]

I am not that fascinated and obsessed with this "phenomenon" (as I have sometimes heard it called) as you appear to be to carry it any further than the visual aid I supplied to you - which I thought clearly answered the question below.

So for those of us on this thread who want to understand the female's sexual response, we are left with this. Some mongers say squirt fluid is clear, some say milky, some say both. Others appear to say that milky is true squirting but clear fluid is just urine and not true squirting. The articles are mixed and describe a general confusion as to the source and nature of the fluid expelled by a female who squirts during orgasm. I was particularly interested in all the females who commented on one linked article, because they expressed so much confusion about what was happening with their own bodies.

As for me, my tentative opinion is that a large volume of clear fluid is likely mainly urine and is expelled through the girl's urethra. It may be mixed with other substances produced during orgasm. Why the expulsion occurs remains unclear although it seems related to a swelling of the g spot (and I have noticed an expansion of the entire interior vaginal canal). The milky substance some describe is not expelled but rather secreted by the walls of the vagina and is likely lubricative fluid.

Hopefully there will be some definitive information from a scientific source on this matter some day. Until then we mongers will continue to observe in wonder, or not, as we choose.

[Richmond Fotog]

I am not that fascinated and obsessed with this "phenomenon" (as I have sometimes heard it called) as you appear to be to carry it any further than the visual aid I supplied to you - which I thought clearly answered the question below.

The stream shown is clear and coming out her urethra, right?

So where does the milky fluid you've seen in your squirters come from? Assuming you've been stable enough during the squirting event to pay attention to such things.

[Hernando]

Magic, I think you should have THE TALK about exclusivity if that is what you want. You can't assume anything.

Multifucking is extremely fun but stressful trying to line up new talent and take the risks of meeting strangers who might know you or of you. I was

Chatting up a potential SB when I discovered after she sent pics that we knew each other from work. That was a potential disaster averted-and points out the ever present risk.

My SB hits my 99% as well and I am very happy with her as my exclusive girl. We had THE TALK about it and I asked that she not see any other SDs and I told her I was not seeking other SBs. She agreed, and her ad disappeared from the site that day, as did mine. I did not ask her to not have dates with other boys in her social circle (which is early 20s) , although I don't think she is seeing anyone else. I know this because she is always available for me when I call, spends the night every time, and (unlike escorts) never looks at her cell phone when we are together. Multifuckers are always working the phones trying to keep up with the action, aren't they?

If I discovered that my SB was seeing others I would probably terminate our relationship. Once I enjoy that emotional investment it's hard to go back. Having said that, if she continued to treat me like gold when we are together, perhaps I would rethink our relationship.as an escort type instead of SD, and just back off emotionally and cut back the payola. This might be an approach to take with your MILF SB.keep her but think of her differently. It might not be too late to bring her back to exclusivity with you.

[Magic Rat]

Nando,

I prefer that as well no matter how exciting the mutifucking aspect sounds. I guess it has something to do with the fact that the sex with MILF SB is the best I've ever had. She pushes about 99% of my buttons. She says I'm the only one she's seeing but now I've learned that isn't the case so I'm rethinking the situation. We've never discussed the exclusive factor at all, although I have told her I wasn't seeing anyone else, which has been true since we met.

I guess one can never simply make it all about sex without some other emotional factors coming to play. Damn this shit is supposed to be all about fucking new pussy without a lot of thought!

[Hernando]

My preference is exclusivity with a SB who I have I'd'd as a keeper .both from an emotional point of view as well as safety. This is what separates a SB from an escort. I believe my SB is monogamous with me.but who the heck can be sure? I choose to believe it anyway.

An escort definitely is a multifucker and you run the risk of STD exposure and no chance of an emotional attatchment. Most SBs I have hooked up in the past with are not keepers, so I chose to keep multifucking while banging her.

I like some degree of emotional investment and definite exclusivity from my SB.especially since I am paying a substantial supporting wage. This conversation has to be held between the two of you, but you can never be sure she isn't stepping out on you. I think it depends on the type of girl you found. Nando class 1 and 2 are likely to be mfers, type 3.the sportster, perhaps can be controlled by your donation.if she is not greedy. The problem is.if you don't catch then 1st.they see how easy it is to get money from guys like us, and can work multiple guys for a larger payday.

[Golfcart]

Thanks for the advice re: signing this SB up. There is a very real temptation with a "keeper" to formalize an arrangement, but if it goes south then I would be open to a risk. And they all seem to end at some point, some worse than others.

The relationship doesn't have to go south for there to be risk.

Bouncy bouncy expenses don't meet the "ordinary and necessary" test to be on a business tax return. The expense understates the net income on the business return and that flows to understate the net income on the personal return. That's four returns fraudulent (business state / federal and personal state / federal.) If the personal return is joint the wife is brought into the mess.

[Magic Rat]

I know we've discussed multifucking from the sd side, but what about from our sb side? Do you have sb (s) that only fuck you? Do you care?

I ask because supposedly my latest was only seeing me, but I now have reason to believe I'm not her only sd and it bothers me a little more than it should. My solution to that has been to jump back into the sd / sb pool and see what shows up. I'm also only fishing in the YHB fishing hole, and so far I've gotten a couple of nibbles. I'll be sure and give progress reports.

[Hernando]

Thanks for the advice re: signing this SB up. There is a very real temptation with a "keeper" to formalize an arrangement, but if it goes south then I would be open to a risk. And they all seem to end at some point, some worse than others.

[Literal2]

This will give you a better clue.

You should see one in a 24 megapixel. 5000+ pixels

The stream shown is clear and coming out her urethra, right?

So where does the milky fluid you've seen in your squirters come from? Assuming you've been stable enough during the squirting event to pay attention to such things.

[Macbode]

The first of Vroom's videos is interesting because it shows a combination of milky fluid and clear fluid. The articles previously linked talk about this.

The second video is what happened to me with my 32 year old sb. I can't imagine where that volume of fluid could come from if it isn't from her bladder, but the squirting response is clearly a sexual one and accompanies an orgasm. I wouldn't want it all the time, but it was exciting and different when it happened.

I had a lady tell me that you don't always squirt when you have an orgasm. But you always have an orgasm when you squirt! And she did too!

[Literal2]

The first of Vroom's videos is interesting because it shows a combination of milky fluid and clear fluid. The articles previously linked talk about this.

The second video is what happened to me with my 32 year old sb. I can't imagine where that volume of fluid could come from if it isn't from her bladder, but the squirting response is clearly a sexual one and accompanies an orgasm. I wouldn't want it all the time, but it was exciting and different when it happened.