"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[BigTigger]

Norm.

I'm knew to this myself. $$$ is a little high, but if she's that hot, then you are doing fine. Especially since you did not have to pay for a hotel. That makes up the difference big time. If I were you and you could afford $250 3 to 4 times a month. I'd negotiate a monthly rate and try to stay in the $500-$600 range. And negotiate that with a minimum amount of meetings. Yes it's not the same amount per meeting, but it's consistent and should be appreciated for that. Again I'm new, but that's my. 02 cents.

Greeting all, thanks for the great thread. Inspired by the members here, I joined a site to meet SBs. It is not one mentioned often (or at all here) but seems exactly like the ones you all use. I made contact with one who lives about 45 minutes away. There are not a lot of quality SBs on this site in my area. Anyhow, after sending the mandatory pic (I get that request 100% of the time) we agreed to meet for a "get to know you" session. When I indicated I was pretty sure I did not need the "get to know you part" as she looked hot in her pics, so told me we should still meet up because she wanted to be sure, (in hindsight I think to be sure I was not LE more than anything else). She also told me how much cash to bring if I wanted to have fun that night ($$$). I was unsure because when I did the math, hotel room plus drinks plus her requested amount is a lot more than I wanted to spend. Frankly, that amount is escort territory. But I decided I could always bail and made the drive. Well when she showed up, this girl was way hotter than her pics. A solid 8. 5, maybe higher with an absolutely gorgeous face and a great little petite body. My little head did all the thinking from then on out, and after spending some time having a drink, we went back to her place. While she did not rush me, there was a time constraint (hers not mine) and she was very safety conscious as well, meaning CBJ. Not too thrilling for me, and I think she knew it because we switch to something else after about 30 seconds of that. Also, because of the time situation she told me she would "make it up to me next time". Now some additional facts for your consideration:

1) Age is 21.

2) She dances, but apparently its only once in a while. Maybe one night a month at most. Does not dance where she lives, but closer to me actually.

3) Has a full time job and says she goes to school. Her Facebook page verifies that (which I located through her email. Thanks to whoever gave that tip.)

4) She says she only wants one SD, and is up for meeting as often as I would like (but at her rate for me that will not be often). This was verified to some extent by the fact that she has not logged on to the SD site since our meeting.

5) She says once she gets to know me she will be comfortable with BBBJ.

6) I don't think she is a pro. For instance she did not have condoms. We were going to stop at the store, but luckily, I found a couple in my car.

7) I really cannot overstate how hot she is. When she stripped down in her bedroom, it took my breath away. Sexy underwear to boot.

8) For the most part really seemed to have her sh*t together, especially given the curveballs life has thrown her.

9) Claims she is not dating anyone for personal reasons (last bf was a real loser apparently)

So first off, did I overpay? It have read this whole thread, and I really have not gotten a sense of what everyone else is paying. I think I am probably on the high end. Especially in light of CBJ. But I keep trying to remind myself that its not an escort situation. I am actually looking for someone to see regularly, so that may be worth a little more.

Should I make the next contact or should I wait for her to contact me? I think if I wait for her, perhaps I can get a little leverage on the rate? I think $$ or $$.5 would allow me to see her 3-4 times a month.

Any other constructive criticism would be welcome. I want to see her again for sure.

Norm!

[BigTigger]

So had to drop TB#1, she was all about money. I did a quick test to see if she knew how to appreciate a SD and she failed. Gave her a little in advance, and before that money got cold, literally less that 24 hours, she was asking for more. Asking to work off more before she had even worked of the pre-payment. It's a shame, she had such potential. Overall I paid for much less than I received. And if I were stupid, she would have taken me for much more.

TB#2 is coming along great. Had 3rd date, not "taste of heaven" yet. But the investment is paying off. Have agreed to a monthly amount that is too low to mention in the forum, because some jealous newbie would give me grief over it. One low monthly amount and all the younger pu$$y that I can handle (based on hotel rates of course).

TB#3 I passed on her. She just seem a bit out of my range at the moment.

TB#4 had some moral rule against giving up the goods on the first date, which I knew was a lie. She just wasn't quite ready to cheat on her hubby and it showed. I tried to press the issue, but being the nice guy that I am, I never force. So as I expected, after she drove back, the contact has been limited and looks like that's money wasted. At least it was a small amount $. But she has not answered a call in the last 3 days, so that's young pu$$y that I'll not get to taste.

TB #5 will be part of an August trip. Again, paying for flight and hotel, but she doesn't want any sugar either, as long as I cover the weekend, wine and dine I can get all the young pu$$y I can handle. She's 32. This will be 2 nights and 1 day of hotel heaven.. Total price before meals will be $350. Not a bad deal at all.

TB #7 will be here this month for hot TiggerChamber session, looks like 4 to 5 hours of the TiggerBounce!. She's 23, and just wants to have fun, no sugar required. By the time I pay for the flight ($150) and room ($100) , I'm paying normal rates anyway. I'm really looking forward to this one. She will be the youngest.

So I lost 2, passed on 1, 1 main SB (TB#2) and 2 of the 3 travelers are on the way within 40 days. All this was done with SDDie. It's a no frills site, but very effective.

All in all mongers, remember that sometimes you have to take a risk (money wise), but even in risk set your boundary and set you walk away amount.

Happy Hunting.

BigTigg

[Norm Gerd]

Greeting all, thanks for the great thread. Inspired by the members here, I joined a site to meet SBs. It is not one mentioned often (or at all here) but seems exactly like the ones you all use. I made contact with one who lives about 45 minutes away. There are not a lot of quality SBs on this site in my area. Anyhow, after sending the mandatory pic (I get that request 100% of the time) we agreed to meet for a "get to know you" session. When I indicated I was pretty sure I did not need the "get to know you part" as she looked hot in her pics, so told me we should still meet up because she wanted to be sure, (in hindsight I think to be sure I was not LE more than anything else). She also told me how much cash to bring if I wanted to have fun that night ($$$). I was unsure because when I did the math, hotel room plus drinks plus her requested amount is a lot more than I wanted to spend. Frankly, that amount is escort territory. But I decided I could always bail and made the drive. Well when she showed up, this girl was way hotter than her pics. A solid 8. 5, maybe higher with an absolutely gorgeous face and a great little petite body. My little head did all the thinking from then on out, and after spending some time having a drink, we went back to her place. While she did not rush me, there was a time constraint (hers not mine) and she was very safety conscious as well, meaning CBJ. Not too thrilling for me, and I think she knew it because we switch to something else after about 30 seconds of that. Also, because of the time situation she told me she would "make it up to me next time". Now some additional facts for your consideration:

1) Age is 21.

2) She dances, but apparently its only once in a while. Maybe one night a month at most. Does not dance where she lives, but closer to me actually.

3) Has a full time job and says she goes to school. Her Facebook page verifies that (which I located through her email. Thanks to whoever gave that tip.)

4) She says she only wants one SD, and is up for meeting as often as I would like (but at her rate for me that will not be often). This was verified to some extent by the fact that she has not logged on to the SD site since our meeting.

5) She says once she gets to know me she will be comfortable with BBBJ.

6) I don't think she is a pro. For instance she did not have condoms. We were going to stop at the store, but luckily, I found a couple in my car.

7) I really cannot overstate how hot she is. When she stripped down in her bedroom, it took my breath away. Sexy underwear to boot.

8) For the most part really seemed to have her sh*t together, especially given the curveballs life has thrown her.

9) Claims she is not dating anyone for personal reasons (last bf was a real loser apparently)

So first off, did I overpay? It have read this whole thread, and I really have not gotten a sense of what everyone else is paying. I think I am probably on the high end. Especially in light of CBJ. But I keep trying to remind myself that its not an escort situation. I am actually looking for someone to see regularly, so that may be worth a little more.

Should I make the next contact or should I wait for her to contact me? I think if I wait for her, perhaps I can get a little leverage on the rate? I think $$ or $$.5 would allow me to see her 3-4 times a month.

Any other constructive criticism would be welcome. I want to see her again for sure.

Norm!

[Literal2]

If you do it properly, you can reap the rewards of meeting her friends and she remains monogamous to you. If you need some pointers, let me know. .

I think this means Fotog has done this.

While I don't want to discourage pms to Fotog, I would like to say that several mongers have posted checklists on this thread re how to find and fuck girls from the sb sites and also the AM site.

If Fotog is willing to post how to do it, it would be really interesting to read how to meet a girl "for a LTR "arrangement" without having to use a website and without having to pay a girl cash money every time they see her" and "reap the rewards of meeting her friends and she remains monogamous to you."

Over to you Fotog. Your constructive and informative posts are welcome.

[Literal2]

Some of these comments and posts here are amusing. There needs to be a "tech advisory" for the SD's.

If you think these "young babes" are the only women who get wet, aroused, squirt, etc you'd be dead wrong. Women of various ages are capable of the same if not better. In case you didn't know, women don't get into their sexual prime until they're beyond the "young babe" stage.

I am still waiting on someone to say they actually met a girl for a LTR "arrangement" without having to use a website and without having to pay a girl cash money every time they see her. If you do it properly, you can reap the rewards of meeting her friends and she remains monogamous to you. If you need some pointers, let me know. .

Some of the comments and posts here are supposed to be amusing, Fotog. That's the point. We're talking about pussies, orgasms, hard young bodies, finding girls, seducing girls, multifucking, categorizing sugarbabies and so on. It's supposed to be fun, and a lot of it is informative as well. You aren't supposed to take it 100% seriously. Nobody claims its the only way to go. If you think MILFs squirt further than HYBs, fine. We'd be interested to hear your views.

If you want someone to say "they actually met a girl for a LTR "arrangement" without having to use a website *" etc, why don't you say it yourself? It doesn't sound unusual to me and if you've done something like that once or a dozen times and want to talk about it, go ahead.

In fact, I encourage everybody who wants to learn from Fotog to contact him and get the benefit of his experience.

As for me, I'm continuing to have fun with my sbs and find the relationships satisfactory. But I thank you for your offer.

I do have a request, Fotog:

I would prefer it, and I believe there are others who would also prefer it, if you would make your posts on this thread without the contemptuous and condescending tone. Otherwise, what is currently a rather lighthearted and mutually supportive discussion will degenerate rapidly.

[CiceroGolden]

I just joined SD4ME, inspired by this discussion. I live in Las Vegas, which is a weird town for escorting. Two tiers, the DDG types for the traveling high rollers who somehow don't know they can get an escort where they live. Then there's the local economy with 15% unemployment; many escorts are flakes, upsells and robs. The clients don't have the dough to support them.

Anyway, on SB4Me; is it suggested to get "Total Access" so all the women can receive posts? Or is standard silver / gold level sufficient?

[Richmond Fotog]

Some of these comments and posts here are amusing. There needs to be a "tech advisory" for the SD's.

If you think these "young babes" are the only women who get wet, aroused, squirt, etc you'd be dead wrong. Women of various ages are capable of the same if not better. In case you didn't know, women don't get into their sexual prime until they're beyond the "young babe" stage.

I am still waiting on someone to say they actually met a girl for a LTR "arrangement" without having to use a website and without having to pay a girl cash money every time they see her. If you do it properly, you can reap the rewards of meeting her friends and she remains monogamous to you. If you need some pointers, let me know. .

Do MILFs vaginas get as wet as HYBs? I think not.

[Madaboutmax]

This thread continues to be a fascinating read. I've now found three SB's on the site that also know as strippers. As discussed before, there is crossover in this category.

My current favorite SB is 35 years old and used to be a dancer but isn't any longer. I met her as a customer at a club and went from there. She is bi-sexual and we have a lot of fun going to clubs and trying to pick HYB's. She is very sexy with a hot body herself, but is old enough to be both comfortable and experienced in her sexuality.

We have a 23 year HYB set up to meet with us next week. It is amzing how many of these girls are bi and bringing another woman into the arrangement seems to put them at ease. God, I love womend.

[Coolhand2]

Rat: No, he cannot. A monger has hard wiring which necessitates variety in the pussies he spreads apart, or he may get sick.

Here is a Tech Advisory: Inmo, HYB's without offspring and live at home dads are unlikely to cling to a geezer. If you can bang them, they won't cling. HYB's with byproducts are as desperate as MILFs. This means good sex but after effects are to be expected, like $$ demands and even true romance. MILFs are always desperate for an S. O. So the sex is good usually but a geezer monger should expect complications.

I just finished fucking my 23 year old student with the tatoo inside her left thigh. HYB all the way. What a wonderful piece of ass. Young and juicy, her pussy self-lubricates like the mountain rapids. Do MILFs vaginas get as wet as HYBs? I think not.

Wait a minute. We're talking about MILF's here; not post menopausal women who are as old as we are. I'll give you they may not be as tight; their bodies may not be as firm but I'll stack the amount of fluids my 41 yr old nurse puts out vs your 23 yr old any time. I'll even give you a head start. I'm not talking about sweat either. I'm talking about that wonderful elixir that only pussies can provide.

Now having said that I'm suppose to meet a new (new to me) 21 yr old SB tomorrow. I'm expecting tightness, firmness, and lots and lots of fluids. Continuing my new policy; SB number will not be assigned until thighs have opened.

[Literal2]

Ok you guys have me convinced. I'm going to start fishing in the HYB pool. Just hope I have the right bait. Right now a MILF is my favorite flavor, but one can't live on MILF alone can he?

Rat: No, he cannot. A monger has hard wiring which necessitates variety in the pussies he spreads apart, or he may get sick.

Here is a Tech Advisory: Inmo, HYB's without offspring and live at home dads are unlikely to cling to a geezer. If you can bang them, they won't cling. HYB's with byproducts are as desperate as MILFs. This means good sex but after effects are to be expected, like $$ demands and even true romance. MILFs are always desperate for an S. O. So the sex is good usually but a geezer monger should expect complications.

I just finished fucking my 23 year old student with the tatoo inside her left thigh. HYB all the way. What a wonderful piece of ass. Young and juicy, her pussy self-lubricates like the mountain rapids. Do MILFs vaginas get as wet as HYBs? I think not.

[Literal2]

The point is neither is better. It's like picking from a box of chocolates. Most of the choices are good. Some are great. Occasionally you get one you just don't like. That doesn't keep you from reaching back into the box. The HYB's tend to be of one flavor, the MILF's another. I'm going to keep reaching into that box because I don't know what flavor, or mix of flavors, I'm going to get. All I know is chocolate tastes really, really good.

Gents, here is a monger who knows what he's doing, and knows what he is talking about.

[Macbode]

Ok you guys have me convinced. I'm going to start fishing in the HYB pool. Just hope I have the right bait. Right now a MILF is my favorite flavor, but one can't live on MILF alone can he?

Send the milfs my way-will take on all cummmmmers! Great thread here!

[Magic Rat]

The point is neither is better. It's like picking from a box of chocolates. Most of the choices are good. Some are great. Occasionally you get one you just don't like. That doesn't keep you from reaching back into the box. The HYB's tend to be of one flavor, the MILF's another. I'm going to keep reaching into that box because I don't know what flavor, or mix of flavors, I'm going to get. All I know is chocolate tastes really, really good.

Ok you guys have me convinced. I'm going to start fishing in the HYB pool. Just hope I have the right bait. Right now a MILF is my favorite flavor, but one can't live on MILF alone can he?

[Coolhand2]

I think the reason MILFs can be so satisfying is that they have a little age on them and so can better relate to a geezer monger. Many MILFs are looking for DILFs ("dads they like to *" etc.) In other words, fellow sb mongers, you can have a real relationship with them. This is good AND bad. You may get tangled. In fact you may wind up with a new SO.

On the other hand the HYB, inmo, offers the geezer female companionship of the purest kind unencumbered by serious conversation and a meaningful emotional entanglement, because she is just a kid in her brain. In other words a slippery vagina plus entertainment. A very different kind of relationship.

To each his own.

The point is neither is better. It's like picking from a box of chocolates. Most of the choices are good. Some are great. Occasionally you get one you just don't like. That doesn't keep you from reaching back into the box. The HYB's tend to be of one flavor, the MILF's another. I'm going to keep reaching into that box because I don't know what flavor, or mix of flavors, I'm going to get. All I know is chocolate tastes really, really good.

[Golfcart]

By the way, Nando, I believe Golfcart first identified this syndrome on this thread. It explains a good deal of undesirable sb behavior.

That was me.

It's become a bit of a problem. I've had to pass on a couple of blondes because it might be her. I couldn't get enough information to exclude her as a possibility.