"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Literal2]

It was a dream. 22 years old, blond, cute, perfectly proportioned slim, not skinny body, her tits and ass small, firm and curvy. One small tatoo. She greets me at the door with dfk, pushes me back to the bed, hikes her skirt up, straddles my lap like a dancer. She presses against me with her crotch. She gives a big smile when I feel under her panties how warm and slippery she is. Three minutes in the room, how could she be so wet? She pulls her dress off over her head, and unbuttons my shirt. She kisses and licks my chest and belly as she slips to her knees between my legs. She unzips my jeans. She sucks on Mr Johnson for several minutes. She's sighing, I'm gasping. It just gets better from there.

She's a senior in college, she says, and plans to get her MBA. Smart as hell. Why would this highly desirable female choose to let an old man fuck her and how could she possibly enjoy it so much? I'm not sure. Yes, I make nice gifts to her, but is that what gets pussy juice flowing? I think the answer has something to do with the safety of a sb / sd relationship from the point of view of the girl. She knows I'm never going to be part of her social group so she can just abandon herself to desire when she is with me. Maybe thats it, maybe its something else.

Some girls, like sb16, are very mechanical and businesslike. I think she enjoys me fucking her but she wants it over with fast. She sent me an email this morning,"When can you see me again?" When we are done she runs back to her age group. I'll put her off for a while.

SB18 lingers with me as long as I let her, not clinging, just being sexual.

I wonder if in 2011 Sex Prison it would be possible for an old stallion to keep a herd of young fillies around indefinitely as an alternative to conventional life. Billionaires do it of course, but what about the rest of us? Doing the math, it would certainly be cheaper than a marriage or worse, serial marriages.

The fillies would come and go and at some point you'd have to check into a nursing home I guess. But maybe not. I read on a Mexico blog a few years ago about some old dude who took his RV down to Baja and lived on the beaches. He woke up dead one morning in his beach chair with multiple stab wounds. Maybe he was servicing the local young women and the young men decided they'd had enough. Not such a bad way to go, really.

[Literal2]

Two of the strippers who finally agreed to come to my fucking chamber were so worked up before they got there that they were very good fucks indeed. The 22 year old mom squirted all over me cowgirl and finished, as I said, with the worlds best bbbjtcws. The early 30's fiance-stripper was so anxious and hot after I didn't visit her club for a few weeks after she turned me down that she pulled my waistband out and stuck her face and tongue into my pants in the VIP."Are you going to take your panties off for me, Jennifer?" I asked."YES!" she said. Then we met at a hotel about six times. This was not in Virginia. I never had any success at a sc in Virginia.

I'm trying to keep things alive with all the best sbs I've had over the past few months. I've put atf SB4 on the shelf but stay in touch with her and will go back to fuck her when I can but I really like her and worry about getting tangled up financially and otherwise. By the way, I posted a photo of her perfect ass a while ago and I look at it to remind me of her. Do any of you guys have acess to a more perfect ass than SB4? If so, show and tell, let's see what it looks like.

SB16 last week was an ok second fuck. She's 27 and flat but tight. She showed up wearing some kind of rubberized little black dress wrapped tight around her body and barely concealing her crotch. Very nice but she doesn't like foreplay, oral, titty play or anal. It's wham bam as I said and it's not enough for me.

SB11 was a good second fuck. When I asked if she liked doggie, she said,"I'll do it if you want." When asked if she liked cg, she said the same thing. She said,"What I really like is you on top of me." Well, it turns out she also loves getting her clit brushed rapidly by hand and deep fingering, but when I finally penetrated her she just locked her legs around my back, arched her neck and moaned like she was dying. Very satisfactory experience. She said she just wanted one sugardaddy and I was it. I told her I was the wrong guy for her.

SB18 is apparently coming back to the fucking chamber tomorrow. She makes me realize how a smart, sexy 22 year old girl can make a fool out of a senior citizen. I have to watch myself around her. She's the only real rival to SB4 for my affections. She is fair while sb4 is dark haired. SB4 has big boobs, sb18's are small and pretty. SB18's skin is tight all over and she does everything I ask with enthusiasm. Unbelievable.

SB3 is being a pest, emailing me all the time about getting together again. She made me wait for months. Now I'll make her wait for months, assuming I ever go back to her, which I may not.

[Magic Rat]

I've had a couple regular stripper friends and the relationships were very similiar to the ones I've had with sugarbabies. As someone else said, it did take a lot of itc meeting, talking, dancing until they were comfortable with meeting outside. Plus both dancers were older than your typical stripper, one early 30's the other mid 30's. Both have their head on straight and are a lot of fun. Interesting thing though, IME the sex with the strippers has been a little more plain vanilla than with the sugarbabies, but that could be because my regular sugarbaby gigs have been with women in their early to mid 40's. I've had the wildest sex of my life with these type sugarbabies. Seems as if their sex drive is off the charts, plus they seem to get a lot nasier in their sexual preferences than the strippers I've known. Best of both worlds maybe? No complaints here for sure.

And BTW, I'll echo what others have said regarding Literal. I appreciate his posts and contributions. Never considered him a barn boss or whatever. It's just entertainment folks!

[Coolhand2]

No apology needed Lit2. It seems as though this little tif placed a bit of a damper on the info Lit2 was willing to share over the past week or so, almost in a concious effort to back off and not be the Barn Boss. But I think that most will agree with me, we appreciate and enjoy the way Lit2 has moderated, instructed, reported on your thrists, and overall conducted matters here in this thread. I for one feel that we are missing out on some reporting by Lit2 on his recent events with SB18. Oh and SB 11, or SB 4, etc, etc. In the words of Sgt Joe Friday (slightly altered);"Lets have the facts Lit2, just the facts." (and feel free to embellish the hell out of them for our reading pleasure). I for one appreciate Lit2 experience and efforts, both with the ladies and his willingness to share those experiences with the rest of us.

How do the rest of the contributors of this thread feel about this?

I for one started pursuing SB solely based on this thread that Lit2 started. Even though I have not had the success that he has had, I am appreciative of the advice, insight, and the inspiration that he has provided. As I've said before, he is the Gold Standard when it comes to SB's. I want him to keep the info coming. I always look forward to it. He has earned the right to be Barn Boss

[Literal2]

Vroom: thanks, it's ok. In some weird way I feel protective towards the women I exploit, but enough said.

Golf: your stripper was 1 in a 100 I think. She's probably married with kids and normal life by now.

Mad: well, strippers do tend to be fit, at least the good ones do. Management weeds out the ugly ones. There are exceptions, of course. The sbs I've been seeing have all shown me photos before I meet them but several times the photos are a few years old and the girl is older or heavier. I have walked away from a couple of sbs. On average I think my sbs are at least as attractive as strippers though because they don't have the hardness a girl gets from taking off her clothes for strange men dozens of times every day. They don't make themselves up slutty either. In my experience, you always get a shock when you see a stripper outside in daylight.

[Madaboutmax]

I make it a standing rule to not involve myself with dancers. There's too many other amateurs out there that don't come with all the baggage.

Maybe this is why I am so interested in this thread. The idea of finding an amateur as good looking as a stripper, but without all of the drama is intriguing. So how would you guys rate the looks of some of your "amateur" SB's on the stripper scale?

[Golfcart]

One of the best pieces I ever had was handed to me by a stripper. Kept every promise she made. I did, too. That was years and years ago. I wish I could find her.

With that said I have learned to avoid strippers. They live and die by the up-sell. That doesn't lend itself to the escort, amateur or SD / SB situation.

[Varoom]

Now, to you, Literal. In my experience, every chat room, forum or other internet-based discussion group a "barn boss" emerges. My excuses to the rest of you earnest sd's, but that clearly is you. I am sorry to have intruded on you turf. I enjoy reading of your exploits, and will continue to do so, but will henceforth refrain from stealing focus. (edit delete)

Fscott doesn't seem to like the exchange in this thread. While Lit2 may have been suspect of ole fscott and his motives here, accurate or not, what fscott doesn't realize is Lit2 IS the Barn Boss here. He is the Barn Boss here because he started the thread on 12/26/10; it is HIS thread. The reason he started the thread is because the discourse of sb / sd didn't fit into the typical categories and others said, Go start your own thread. And he did. Kind of like coming into someone's house and telling them you don't like how they have the furniture arranged really. Not good form, as they say.

Seems as though fscott may be gone anyway, just dropped by and told Lit2 he doesn't like how he has his furniture arranged, and got up and left. Alrighty then. For the rest of us who have been around for any length of time, it seems that we like how you keep your furniture Lit2.

If so, I apologize.

Didn't mean / don't want to be barn boss.

No apology needed Lit2. It seems as though this little tif placed a bit of a damper on the info Lit2 was willing to share over the past week or so, almost in a concious effort to back off and not be the Barn Boss. But I think that most will agree with me, we appreciate and enjoy the way Lit2 has moderated, instructed, reported on your thrists, and overall conducted matters here in this thread. I for one feel that we are missing out on some reporting by Lit2 on his recent events with SB18. Oh and SB 11, or SB 4, etc, etc. In the words of Sgt Joe Friday (slightly altered);"Lets have the facts Lit2, just the facts." (and feel free to embellish the hell out of them for our reading pleasure). I for one appreciate Lit2 experience and efforts, both with the ladies and his willingness to share those experiences with the rest of us.

How do the rest of the contributors of this thread feel about this?

[CantWinLosin]

My experience w / strippers is similar to Literal's, with the added caveat that they are usually more trouble than they're worth once you "catch" them. They are in that limbo between amateur and pro, with all the faults and few of the advantages of either one. Many of these girls have a deep-seated hatred of men, and that comes out in their dealings with us -- very mercenary, distrustful and lots of drama. I have a friend who spent much of her 20's as a dancer, and she admits that it took her well into her 40's to learn to ever trust a man or have a real relationship with one.

I make it a standing rule to not involve myself with dancers. There's too many other amateurs out there that don't come with all the baggage.

[Literal2]

My experience, with the stripper type SB, has been that the retired, or soon to retire. 30 something girls tend to be the best. Old enough to not have unrealistic expectations on the value of their kitty, but young enough to still be hot and fun. I have 4 long term dancer / SB's that I have been with for over a year that range from 30 to early 40's.

I still enjoy chasing the hot 20 somethings, but they are flaky, full of drama, and lack skills in the bedroom. I guess I'm still chasing holy grail of SB's: " A hot 20 something body, with the sex drive of a 30 year old, the skills of a 40 year old and the grattitude of a 50 year old."

I found it took a long time and much moola spent in the VIP to develop relationships with strippers. As I posted earlier, I've had a total of four of these over the years. One was 22 with two kids and was looking for a nest but gave me the best BJ of my life. One was 19 and beautiful but wild beyond belief in her personal behavior and was self destructive. Both of these were short term affairs. Two older strippers, early thirties, lasted longer. One was engaged but after warning me not to get involved proceeded to get involved and cling. The other would not let me penetrate her with a condom on so there was a lot of HJ action. I will not bareback with any of these girls. One day she told me she could give me a child. I said no thanks. I saw her again a year later and she had her child, by another sc patron. Whew.

Earlier discussion on here about strippers concerned how hard is to fuck them. Some had my experience which was it takes a lot of warm up. Others seemed to be able to accelerate the process even avoiding buying any dances.

One great thing about dancers is you can check them out pretty thoroughly before you meet them alone and many have great bodies.

In recent years when I go to an sc, which isn't that often anymore, I try to spot the girls who will release you inside the club. This is less complicated for me, anyway. Others may have different experiences.

[Mrlefty]

So how did it go?

Delayed (my side, work). Should happen soon.

[Literal2]

Not much to tell.

Simple ad. Daddy looking for sugar (Baby). You need to enjoy life. Find someone that can invest in you. Blah blah blah.

2 ads over a couple of days. Got phone number verified by CL after that. So, I will either do the next from the coffee shop or hurry up and get the debit card.

Early 20s to early 30s. All looking for a little extra. One keeps sending me pictures of her naked, supposedly masterbating thinking about me.

We'll see. Today's the day.

By the way, no pics supplied to any. No phone numbers either. Just their fantasy. I tell them I am fat an ugly. .

So how did it go?

[Literal2]

Question. Do you guys do a phone verify before you meet?

If so, what do you talk about?

I always have at least one phone call."Just calling to get acquainted."

[Madaboutmax]

I agree the younger ones are flakier, but I've found the older ones ask more questions. Not sure if thats a trend or not.

My experience, with the stripper type SB, has been that the retired, or soon to retire. 30 something girls tend to be the best. Old enough to not have unrealistic expectations on the value of their kitty, but young enough to still be hot and fun. I have 4 long term dancer / SB's that I have been with for over a year that range from 30 to early 40's.

I still enjoy chasing the hot 20 somethings, but they are flaky, full of drama, and lack skills in the bedroom. I guess I'm still chasing holy grail of SB's: " A hot 20 something body, with the sex drive of a 30 year old, the skills of a 40 year old and the grattitude of a 50 year old."

[Mrlefty]

Question. Do you guys do a phone verify before you meet?

If so, what do you talk about?