Streetwalker Reports

[Lemmesee]

It all about preferences and IMHO you must not look down on the guy who uses one or the other but the cold hard facts, in my own experience since I have used both are :

TheyCallMeHawk level :

Some guys may think the girl advertising on Backpage or the now dead Craigslist is an escort, because she says so, but they are at best entry level escorts for the most part (with some very rare exceptions) the real escorts are independent girls, running their own show (" Indies " for short) , or they belong to a reputed Agency, no pimp, mama-san, parasite boyfriend or drama of ANY kind, well educated and composed, they advertise on their own websites and actively participate on forums where their customer base is active (they usually cater to professional mature guys, who can both afford the rate and be trusted to behave like a gentleman) they can afford to be selective as to their clientele, just having enough cash on hand doesn't mean she will see you; you must be screened (must provide real personal info, no info, no date) they set their schedules, this seems like a lot of hassle to go trough to see a girl but.

The girls are impeccably groomed, your session will be unrushed in a very nice upscale hotel room (included on the entry fee, of course) total GFE (since you read the pertinent reviews you have a very good idea as to what is going to be like) no negotiations to ruin the mood. No money will be mention at all. Kinda like having a great date with your new girlfriend who only wishes to please you, with a total guarantee of no bait-and-switch, minimal risk of LEO or drama.

To some of us, it's worth the $$$ (since this girls have a private life, pics are not allowed, no even for personal use. Some exception may exist. And definitely not to be posted online, only a tasteful review may be posted on the appropriated sites)

The CookyJar level :

One hell of a wild experience, like hunting in the jungle; trills and frills everywhere, the hunt, the chase, following a faint trail, missing the prize, quick U-turn! , there she is! A gem here, some clay there (they all have their uses) it can be very good, very, very, very bad and everything in between, truly not for the faint of heart, the risks are too real and so are the rewards, you must tread with care.

On one hand, the prices are a lot more reasonable, but what you save on coin you may have to pay with sweat (or worse) to some the trill of the hunt is a reward onto itself (for this old dog it can get overwhelming at times, the years of wild chases are over) it's always hit or miss, even with the girls you have seen before and this adds flavor as well.

So we have choices, and in this free slice of heaven we can do as we damn please, pick your poison and don't put down others for their choices (unless you are footing the bill) as for my examples I picked the two most worthy gentlemen on their respective turf : but Hawk and Cooky are season veterans with many years of experience (no offense intended, LOL) skills, talent and a good dose of luck (particularly Cooky) the rest of us are mere mortals that can't expect the same results as these two, I for one will do my darndest, hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

Peace and;

Lemmesee

[CookyJar]

In a nutshell.

Prices of escorts have gotten better. On average I spend no more than $250-$350 hr. And I have a phone book full of UTRs that will see me for 150-200hr.

And you are not paying for a room, right? And the only time and effort you are putting out is the time and effort you put out in front of your computer.

On the other hand, I am putting out $40 bucks for a room, gas money, girl plus tip and the effort of driving around with a set of eyes in the back of my head. And, I have been known to do this two or three times in a week. No! I don't go out every week. I know my budget and I could do an escort at least twice a month at the rates TheyCallMeHawk is suggesting.

Here is my problem with escorts: Do they provide true GFE? Over the years I have been able to talk some of my girlfriends into doing some pretty far out (and time consuming) activities. Would an escort let me take 30 or more pictures and post them here? Would a Escort let me do this: Kitty on the Balcony and take pictures like this: Kitty on the Balcony. Would an escort allow me to do all that I want, without up-charging me?

I agree with you Hawk. I used to see escorts mostly in the $200-250 range and if you follow the review boards you can know what you're in for and not be ripped off. Also, the UTRs are some of the best deals out there. Depending on how long you've known them they'll often drop their prices to near K level $100 / hr. And the thing about spending time with an escort is it's not rushed and you're usually in either a nice hotel or their house or apartment.

After posting that last post, I did a little checking on BackPage. Unlike CraigsList, most of the girls do not list a price. (I didn't see one request for roses. LOL) There were a few who promised specials. Some of the girl had figures posted in their heading. The average I saw on my short tour of BackPage was $80.

I have been thinking about checking out some of the BackPage girls but I am still leery about bait & switch and the upsellers.

CookyJar

[Harley32]

In a nutshell.

Prices of escorts have gotten better. On average I spend no more than $250-$350 hr. And I have a phone book full of UTRs that will see me for 150-200hr.

I agree with you Hawk. I used to see escorts mostly in the $200-250 range and if you follow the review boards you can know what you're in for and not be ripped off. Also, the UTRs are some of the best deals out there. Depending on how long you've known them they'll often drop their prices to near K level $100 / hr. And the thing about spending time with an escort is it's not rushed and you're usually in either a nice hotel or their house or apartment.

But back to CJ's point about taking pictures. There's no way any non-porn star escort is going to let you take pornographic photos especially if you plan to post them on the internet. Most escorts try to maintain a low profile and even blur their faces in their ads. On the other hand, most SWs aren't thinking past how there going to score their drugs for the day and therefore don't mind photos especially if it means more money in the short run.

One of the nice things about visiting the K is the sheer fun of the hunt and the variety out there at your fingertips. I'm still pretty new at this but I usually have a great time for a very cheap price. Like CJ, I do what I do because I enjoy it.

[TheyCallMeHawk]

But, in the end it still comes down to preference. I do what I do because I like doing it.

CookyJar

In a nutshell.

Prices of escorts have gotten better. On average I spend no more than $250-$350 hr. And I have a phone book full of UTRs that will see me for 150-200hr.

[CookyJar]

. Some of them say xanxies or whatever percs or oxyies. NO it's heroin. So. If you're feeling her up in your car date, becareful cause you might get stuck with a needle or somethin.

Speaking for myself; I wasn't offended. I thought your original post was mostly spot on.

I would like to beg to differ on one small, minute point. I have known a couple of pill poppers who work the avenue. Xanxies, percs and oxyies are often the preferred drugs of young gothic girls.

CookyJar

[Pdiddy77]

Well. Truthfully and honestly my intentions for posting wasn't to offend anyone.

I just don't want to see anyone get hurt. You know.

And I do realize that people are going to do what they like to do.

It's just that like any guy. I was looking through some of that guy supereloquent's pictures and stories.

But like. I also noticed alot of newbies commenting about them.

I just didn't want them to think it was easy and safe and fun. You know? It's not. You know when you're dealing with drugs and everything and especially the harder drugs that almost all of these girl use. It's dangerous.

People do alot of desparate stuff for drugs.

And I just did'nt want some of the newbies to think "awesome. It only cost like $40 for a blow job and sex from a girl and also I can take pics!"

I mean there's a reason superE could do what he did. Drugs make people desperate. Why else would a girl sell her body on the street. An addiction is driving them to do it.

It's just that. Opiate users they use needles. Like sometimes dirty needles. I just didn't want anything bad to happen. Full service in a car and stuff like that, anything can happen. Her needle could drop by accident and you could be cleaning the car one day and then accidently poke yourself with it. I admit I use to monger and it was fun I'm not going to lie. You just have to be safe when the harder drugs are involved.

The money thing. My whole issue with that is that. We all work hard and nobody likes being lied to and robed or getting their car taken away by the police.

And stuff like that happens in kensington. The newbie mongers should just have some knowledge of the games some of the girls play.

I guess like when I was doing it. At the end of the day. If a girl treated me good, I treated her good. I always said thankyou when we were done, I always offered to buy them something to eat. If she was my regular.

There are rules for mongering and the rules were meant to keep YOU safe. Learn the rules, follow them and YOU"LL be safe.

I just didn't want to see anybody get hurt man, that's all.

[CookyJar]

This is an old view which is still held by many.

…I've always viewed picking up sws as the ground level for paying for sex …Unfortunately, it's probably the most dangerous when things go wrong. Eventually, I think these risk get too high for most people and provided they have the means they exchange these risks for other ones. It stills makes me feel young to pull off a perfect pick up of a dtr.

Awhile back, long before I started posting here, I made an attempt at going the escort route. I tested the water by calling a few high level girls. It has been a long time, but as I remember it, most of the quotes were around $300 to $500, with no extras include. I am talking about average looking girls. Most of the porn stars wanted $500 for a half hour and $800 to $1000 for an hour. Mind you, we are still talking about straight sex and no extras. That was a huge problem for me. It was not about, "the means," I spend $300 to $500 a week easily, when you consider all of my expenses. My problem was with the extras offered.

BBBJ's were extra. Half and Half, extra. Greek extra. DK, extra. Around the world, extra. And! Here's the deal breaker. No pictures. Not one of the girls I called would allow pictures.

Things have changed a little. Not enough for me. I want lots of extras; especially pictures. I want my girl to accommodate all of my needs. Most of the girls who work for agencies still do not want their pictures taken. And, regardless of what anyone says, if you get a girl from an agency or at an AMP you are not in charge – the agency (pimp) or mama son is calling the shots – you are at their mercy.

It has nothing to do with means; it is a matter of preference. With streetwalkers I don't have to worry about "Bait & Switch," the girl not showing up, waiting in the parking lot for the girl to call back (sometimes they never call) , up selling, or any of the many other things that go wrong when arranging an escort date. And, IMHO, AMPs can be just as bad. I rarely hear of an AMP with a selection that numbers anywhere near what on Kensington Avenue. When you think about it, driving up and down the "K," on a nice day is like window shopping.

The internet has changed everything. The prices have come down. At $70, $80 or $100 you can get a Backpage girl for ½ hour or an hour. And, for $20, $30 or $50 you can get the same girl on the street. Not only that. Now; with the internet we can review the girls, weed out some of the bad ones, expose the bait and switches and point out what's good and what's not. But, in the end it still comes down to preference. I do what I do because I like doing it.

CookyJar

[Mythbuster]

"social fabric of the neighborhood ". Come on, what rock did you just crawl out from, these neighborhoods do not want SW's or Mongers driving around. One of the reasons LE is so present is because of complaints from the neighborhood to clean it up. I agree with Mike on this one, Pdiddys post is correct and accurate.

I almost complained that the post just stated the obvious and was patronizing. I've always viewed picking up sws as the ground level for paying for sex and sort of the training grounds for picking up the basic skills. Unfortunately, it's probably the most dangerous when things go wrong. Eventually, I think these risk get too high for most people and provided they have the means they exchange these risks for other ones. It stills makes me feel young to pull off a perfect pick up of a dtr.

[TheyCallMeHawk]

"social fabric of the neighborhood ". Come on, what rock did you just crawl out from, these neighborhoods do not want SW's or Mongers driving around. One of the reasons LE is so present is because of complaints from the neighborhood to clean it up. I agree with Mike on this one, Pdiddys post is correct and accurate.

Newbies should take heed to that post. It was dead on accurate and IMHO very well said. Not judgemental, the man was simply stating the facts. There are tremendous risks trolling the ave, and I think alot of newbies have absloutley no idea how high those rise are. Seasoned mongers know these risks and they choose to take them. However with the internet I fear alot of green, clueless newbies are tempted to try this sport without knowing the true dangers involved.

[Jo Kuz]

I am extremely offended that Pdiddy77 characterized the ladies of the ave as drug addicts with out proof. I believe ladies of the K are our moms daughters and sisters and make up the social fabric of the neighborhood and to suggest that residents are uncomfortable about their presence or of the mongers who utilize them can't be further from the truth and is more indicative of a person who has self hatred than a judgment of those on the K.

"social fabric of the neighborhood ". Come on, what rock did you just crawl out from, these neighborhoods do not want SW's or Mongers driving around. One of the reasons LE is so present is because of complaints from the neighborhood to clean it up. I agree with Mike on this one, Pdiddys post is correct and accurate.

[Mike Sweeney]

I am extremely offended that Pdiddy77 characterized the ladies of the ave as drug addicts with out proof. I believe ladies of the K are our moms daughters and sisters and make up the social fabric of the neighborhood and to suggest that residents are uncomfortable about their presence or of the mongers who utilize them can't be further from the truth and is more indicative of a person who has self hatred than a judgment of those on the K.

If you believe for one minute, that Pdiiddy77's post isn't right on the money, your living in a fantasy world.

[Member #5237]

I am extremely offended that Pdiddy77 characterized the ladies of the ave as drug addicts with out proof. I believe ladies of the K are our moms daughters and sisters and make up the social fabric of the neighborhood and to suggest that residents are uncomfortable about their presence or of the mongers who utilize them can't be further from the truth and is more indicative of a person who has self hatred than a judgment of those on the K.

With all due respect. This post is ludicrous. I don`t know of anyone who wants to live in a neighborhood crawling with working girls and the men who patronize them.

Longdeluxe, I am sure you live in a neighborhood that is the complete opposite of the area around The K.

[Longdeluxe]

I am extremely offended that Pdiddy77 characterized the ladies of the ave as drug addicts with out proof. I believe ladies of the K are our moms daughters and sisters and make up the social fabric of the neighborhood and to suggest that residents are uncomfortable about their presence or of the mongers who utilize them can't be further from the truth and is more indicative of a person who has self hatred than a judgment of those on the K.

[Davey1965]

Hi,

I don't want to past judgement on anybody, mostly because I don't like it when people judge me. After reading through a few of threads, I kinda get the feeling that alot of you guys are kinda new to mongering.

As a recovering addict, I just want to make sure you guys who are coming in from the suburbs and stuff stay safe. Almost all of the girls who are working the Ave. Are addicted to one type or multiple drugs.

Mostly crack (which is called "rocks") , dope (which is heroin) , some of them even smoke wet (which is angel dust).

Keep your money safe. If you're a newbie reading this, don't let these girls cop their drugs first before your date. A) she's not coming back if you giver her your money, she's going to go get high.

Be) if by a miracle of heaven she does come back. And she has drugs in your car and you get pulled of by LE.

Your car is going to get impounded.

Another thing, don't circle the block over and over again. I mean. Kensington, Juniata, etc are residential neighborhoods and nobody wants a person from out of town constantly driving up and down looking for prostitutes in their neighborhood. I mean alot of people down there actually have jobs and kids and. You know, ther're people too and it's just weirds them out.

And not to say that ALL the girls down there are bad, but I mean they're in active addiction. And some of them carry knives in their purses for protection. Just because you might be a good john doesn't mean they next guy will be soooo. You better believe some of them have knives.

And as far as drugs are concerned, if the girl is super hyper and picking at her face. Then she's on a "mission" which is she's binging on crack (the call it rocks) and I would suggest you just drop her off where you found her cause the chances of you having an enjoyable date are slim and it's your hard earned money, so take it as that. And if she's glassy eyed and nodding out (falling asleep and waking up) then she's on heroin.

Some of them say xanxies or whatever percs or oxyies. NO it's heroin. So. If you're feeling her up in your car date, becareful cause you might get stuck with a needle or somethin.

I used to monger for awhile when I was eating pills every day. But I stopped I'm out of the game. I mean,

I'm not saying it's wrong or it's right. Just looking out for some of you newbies. They're street girls they can take care of themselves, I guess if you have a regular or whatever and she treats you good. Treat her good. The girls are human beings with feelings too. But at the same time they're in active addiction. So YOU guys have to remember that YOUR safety comes first.

After reading your post, I'm starting to think maybe I shouldn't go out there anymore. Sounds scary. Thanks for the informative post, you may have just saved my life.

[Davey1965]

Does anyone have any info on Gina? She used to be at dd with Kate.

I saw her hanging out there as early as last week. Actually have seen her a few times over the last month, and prior to that thought she was gone, as it's been a good year since I saw her.