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hey Jackson -
how come words like fuck, ****, and cock are okay on the forum,
but ***** (b*itch) is censored?
[blue]Because the only use if the word b*itch is to refer to women in a derogratory manner, which is not permitted on this site.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
@Jackson
Good point, Good rule.
The women at any of these clubs are giving us a service, which we are willing to pay them for. Some of them do thier "jobs" well, and others do not. We should treat them ALL with respect and not relate to them using any type of masochistic terminology.
Just simply refer to them as girls, ladies, women or even mamas.
Thank you
Jackson...not to be an ass, but the word b*tch can also be used as a verb...(i.e. I b*tch too much about little things.)
Hi Jackson -
Due to the recent problems with certain "overly active" posters, I will not name any names, let's just say he was recently assigned his own section...
Anyhow. Have you give any thought to a moderated forum similar to what is available through [url="http://slashdot.org"]slashdot's[/url] [url="http://slashcode.com"]slashcode[/url].
In that system, people are assigned "karma", and then randomly asked to moderate comments made by other users. The more posts you make that are considered good, increase your karma.
When members read the comments, then can choose what level of "karma" to read the posts. The trolls are moderated at (-1) for instance, so you can essentially make them invisible while reading the posts.
An additional control is that people with good karma are also given the opportunity to metamoderate, which means they review posts which have been moderated, and judge whether they were moderated fairly.
This system keeps the original moderators in check.
Basically the good posters are always given the chance to rise above the chaotic noise of the trolls and spammers, and yet no one can say that they were censored, because the posts, though usually unread by 99% of the visitors, are available to those who want them.
It seems like the system works pretty well. Slashdot has a good number of posters that could only be described as "professional trolls". The ranking/rating system minimizes that. The day I accidentally click on goatse.cx from here, I will know that the WSG has finally come of age.
anyhow, just my dos centavos.
regards -
diablo mactavish
Hi Jackson,
I commend your views on members back channeling thecontact details through private emails. However, in my case, I have had the misfortune of seeing a clamp down by LE because one of the members was very forthcoming with details on the forum. The girls were the sufferers in that case. To avoid such a thing happening isnt it prudent to be a bit more cautious??
Perhaps the senstivie information could be routed through your private email?? If you could ascertain the requestor is not a vigilante.
Your thoughts on this matter will be appreciated.
Justfun.
Jackson,
I am of course trying to make positive & valuable contributions to the forum. I recently posted a reply to seeksgoodtime's message concerning the exchange rate against the real. But it is not posted. I don't believe there is any problem with my message & if there was I assumed I would hear from you. I hope to move closer & closer to Senior Member status as well. Could you tell me what happened with my message? If it was just lost in cyberspace, I will write it again. If there is a problem with my language or content, let me know please.
almotu
I understand and respect your not making the board a free-for-all. However, it's a catch-22 for newbies. How can we write reports if we don't know where to go? Maybe a policy of allowing 1-2 e-mail posts for newbies, but no more if a report is not posted.
[blue]I appreciate what you are saying, but the idea behind the forum is that other members who have traveled the road before you have posted their experiences in the Forum, thus providing you with the information you need to "know where to go".[/blue]
Jackson,
I understand your reasoning behind your actions. Many Forum posts are arguments or discussions regarding non-hobby related topics. I have seen many of these strings. I agree with you in saying that “this does nothing to enhance the value of the Forum's collective database “, but these rants can make a Regular member into a Senior member. The quality of a member’s post goes unchecked. I have also heard many stories of ladies being hassled by LE, because a member provided too many details in the forum. Inappropriate postings could be the reason for so little action in areas. I have not been a regular contributor because I do not have a lot of time or money for this hobby. I also refuse to post useless messages. I regret posting this message since this does not help my fellow hobbyists, but I wanted to voice my opinion.
My apologies to my fellow hobbyists,
AsianRob
[blue]You comments are completely appropriate and most welcome.[/blue]
There seems to be alot of Underground parties going on in NYC lately. I have been to many and the ones with Yahoo sites I post openly and you can join then get screened as well. There are others that are by invite only so I post my e mail and those of you with alot of posts I then pass along the info. They are nervous about who attends them. I have been e mailing with a few 100 over the last 2.5 years so you are cool. Its the ones that come out of no where we are worried about!
[email]Jimmydr@blackvoices.com[/email]
Jackson,
I am curious - once again something that I contributed did not make the site. I posted a fairly informative message in the Rio board concerning credit card use. I have yet to see it posted - it's been several days now. Is there something wrong with it? Is it old news? Did I break a rule of this site?
Please advise,
almotu
almotu@aol.com
Jackson,
I am a I am shocked by the number of reports that are getting through with racial slurs embedded within them. I feel that this is a brotherhood of mongering and we should not discrimintate against mongers unless they are doing despicable things like child molestation.
What can we as fellow mongers do to impress upon our fellow mongers that using terms such as those that belittle or take away the dignity of others should not be used on this forum. I realize you have many other things to consider and this must indeed be a monumental task upon which you are overseeing (and doing a damn good job, I might add) but let's see if we can stop fellow mongers from insulting other mongers (be it intentional or unintentional). Examples: Just do a search on, "chink", "nigga", or "jap" and you will see what I mean. These are unacceptable terms that in my humble opinion have no place on this truly outstanding board that you maintain.
Thanks for taking time out to listen.
NC Hunter
Allow me to be the skunk at the party and not stroke and massage the administrator and his guidelines. Is Jackson even aware of the format his board has evolved to? What reports are you talking about for cryin out loud? The ratio of meaningful reports vs. pure discussion and inquiries is negligible if not nil. So now if a not so senior member wants to post a follow up question on a topic, you wanna call his mono syllabic inquiry a report? You wanna have him wait till you parse it, patronize and approve it? Is that it? Either the administrator is all too flabbergasted with having control over a forum, or is enamored with the business of over kill, time consuming administration.
And why are you taking these tedious, draconian measures? Cause your board is free? So charge us and reinstate ease of use. You think patrons of this board are destitute and desperate for freebies? You want us to do hand stands cause your board is free to the public? Ultimately, if a member has a quick question about a hotel or a location, don’t ask him to post his report so you can examine it, he doesn’t have a report, his is a two worded question.
[blue]What's "draconian" about asking people to use correct capitalization and puncutation?[/blue]
Ok, I am supposed to post a certain number of reports before I become a senior member, that is reasonable.
However, the problem is that nobody will be reading anything I post before I become a senior member, nor will anyone respond to anything I write. This is because by the time my messages finally make it to the forums, 3 days later or whenever, they will be on page 2 or 3 and nobody will go back there to see them.
Why can't the delayed messages, after they've finally been posted, be given the actual posting date and time, rather than the original posting date and time?
This would allow new users of this site to participate in conversations, which they cannot generally now do, and would encourage them to actually write reports, since they would know that people would actually be reading them. This would encourage more senior members.
Maybe this would be too difficult to do, practically speaking. But as it is now, I'll probably go back to reading these forums and not posting, since I've figured out that nobody reads my posts.
[blue]Hi,
I appreciate your observations.
First, I cannot change the program's code to effect the date/time stamp on the reports as you suggested.
Second, The WSG Forum is an archive of travel reports, not a chat room, so it's not designed to encourage back-and-forth chatting between members.
If you have information to report, then post it. If you want to chat, then go to a chat room.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
I would like to comment on the PM function of the board. For the most part i like it but i would like to ask if it is not to difficult to have the functionality of this tool only be available to senior members. Because i saw a post of a first time poster that just requested info and then said PM me with the info. I think that is clearly a sign that he will never post and proably not read again. He wants info sent directly to him and a notice of when it arives. I like the PM function because it makes meeting other easy with out have to make a post and having the whole board show up. I am not a great member but as a good member i think this could stop people like this the same way the posting e mail and web address help to prevent it as well.
Reddog,
That guy really "got your goat" didn't he? (I read your message to him!)
Personally, don't you think it would be better if 1st timers were "encouraged" to come back and post their experiences, we might learn something new?
He may have requested a PM because he is shy, or simply because its his 1st time and didn't know.
If his request for a PM means that he is jumped on by "seniors" and brandished a "one timer", and given no or little help to enjoy his experience then it does not really encourage him to come back and share what he got up to with the rest of us.
Clearly, however, I can see your point in trying to dissuade "one timer" activity when the activity is simply a matter of questions and no reports, but sometimes we (or rather this forum) will have to take the risk.
If we assist him and give him the best chance of having "fun", then surely this encourages a revisit more with reports and thanks, don't you think?
Maybe not everyone is like me and you, but we do need to give the "new boys" a chance.
Anyway thats what I think, and I am sure El Matador del Amor Jackson will make up his own mind.
Ciao for now.
ST
I agree with much of what Chris2 has to say regarding the posting/timing of regular members' reports. Many people who read regularly look only for the most recent postings. Thus they don't get to see newly-posted entries by Regular members as these appear in the thread according to their original time-stamp rather than the time of the actual posting.
Jackson - since you filter these messages anyway, and you can't/don't know how to over-write the time stamp of the program, perhaps it makes sense for you to write some macro to re-submit the posting after you've approved and edited it. In this way, at least the post will get a new time-stamp and will then be read by more of the senior (more regular) members.
Only a suggestion. I don't know if this makes sense to you or if it is way too much work. Again, just a suggestion but I sense that many regular members feel a sense of frustration that they are not fully involved in the conversation because of this treatment.
Thanks for hearing me out.
DfB
Hello,
Writing about BB (bareback) sex should not be permited. You can "kill" another people today having unprotected sex.
Thanks
Jackson,
I hate to offend you, I really appreciate this site and recommend it to all.
You recently put a message in the Boston forum about not mentioning other "competing" web sites.
I don't know how you feel about this, but I'd love to see a brief discussion about this.
There are many realities we deal with on WSG that we don't deal with on the "competing" sites. Here, its almost 100% mongers. Rarely do we see providers post. Personally, I like this, though I do know that many read here. But is strictly guys on the most part and most conducive for guys.
Yet...as we research info on providers, we must recognize the reality that data has to be mined from multiple online sources. Here, at WSG, is a great place to compile that info and report on what we know, or direct others to where local info can be located.
While I don't think posts should promote other "competing" spots, but it should be understood that knowing the resources iavailable is valuable to accurate reports here.
For instance, many large cities have alternative news sources that often have back pages for escorts and such to advertise and give contact info. Any traveller to an area should be aware of the resource and even how to get it online when available.
Banning this alternate data from being mentioned limits things for newbies and travellers. I'm sure you can see the value in these mediums.
Well...the same is true for other sources of classified info for escorts. XXXXXlist.org is just such a site. Its just advertising...and should not be banned.
Again, I'd like to see a dialog or here your thoughts on what is acceptable and not. If this is already stated some where explicitly, please forgive me and direct me.
Thanks for all you do. Oh...and happy new year, mis amigo!
Is there any way to have a pop up come up letting members know that they have a private message? Somtimes a monger is needing to get some information like right away. For that night, and he sees a member on and messages him but doesn't get a response back till the next day or later.
Jackson, if you want to maintain a sustainable web site, you need to maintain and enforce your guidelines more effectively. Here are some comments:
- Every once in a while remind all posters that this is a web site to find women for sex. Period. It is all about sharing and exchanging individual experiences. All discussions must be on-topic. Please ask us not to turn the posts to a personal playground for chatting, off-topic discussions, and especially POLITICS.
- Please respect the section topic and comment or ask under that section. Please don¡¯t questions about Thailand in a topic from the Europe section.
- All posts should meet standards for minimum contribution on the topic. How many times we read that after tens, hundreds posts a fellow punter is asking for information that has been discussed on several occasions. We are all obligated to meet minimum guideline for the purposes of this site. What is a report without quoting a price, area, location/address, and comments on the service?
- Screen those who may use the privileges given in this board to promote local businesses or personal interests, get tougher on them. Set higher standards. Screen short timers like you are doing now.
- (temporary) EXPELLE those who claim money is not an issue in their questions or comments.
- Set up new folders for newbies only. Lets discuses in those sections the no¡¯s that might turn a place from being a heaven to hell, Pattaya, Phonm Phen, Cebu, Angle City, ..... even Prague, Budapest. ..... To experienced hobbyists there is no other bigger danger than: newbies, want to be a punter, inexperienced hobbyists, and obnoxious flashers who could turn a place upside down in no time. We are all in it for the same reason, aren¡¯t we? I say lets go even further and limit the newbies on the number of posts they could have access to READ before they prove to the board that they have the capacity to observe what is being offered here in this board.
- I am afraid that if no steps are taken, some experienced fellow posters may refuse to discuss and share their latest discoveries just because they are afraid they may lose them before the chance to enjoy it again. Granted, I have taken several leads from this board and turned them to absolute fantastic trips. But I am not sure if those who may follow will be as discreet as I was when I explored it.
- Please remind us that photos are for the photo sections only. One or two photos to give heads up on what to expect. EXPELLE those posters who post photos from commercial porn sites. Give them warning first!
- Limit the graphic description of your encounters to short comments. Just enough for the pleasure of the readers, this is not an erotic storyboard, ... or is it?
- I guess the final comment is to remind everyone to please STAY ON-TOPIC and avoid asking repeated questions.
MINIMUM POSTING SIZE REQUIREMENT
Jackson,
In my opinion, my suggestion of limiting postings to those that have 400 or more words, is a good idea. Dialogue quality will improve and people will feel more informed with fewer distractions. When you limit the posting size to a minimum of 400 words what happens? People are invited to give an hour in thei day to read and post messages.
This, I believe, is a crucial part of forming online communities. Limiting the discussion to well thought out postings only and cutting out ten and twenty line postings will then allow 40 line postings - the ones that tell a story and inform like no other- are worth reading. 40 lines, 400 words - 1 Hour. The number of postings will drop of to that which is well thought out 5 minute reading time. When a member feels that his posting has more value because there are fewer distractions - then an inner voice is heard. The members can feel confident in scanning the archives and finding an even more informative data base. When I do my research on databases, I go for the web site that can give me up to date, informed, well thought out opinions on a particular destination. I like to be able have that information at arms length - and not to wade through a whole page to find one message. The other day I was checking out Argentina and I basically spent the whole day gathering all the bits of information, accomodation, guides, clubs, websites etc. It was quite fun though.
Well then - I'm of my moms visiting tonight and I haven't seen her since new years. Oh and by the way, this posting is less than 400 words - cut it out!
Kapalika
I could not disagree more. The purpose of the board is not fixed in stone, different users have different objectives. Information is paramount, but doesn't need a minimum line size to be relevant. What purpose is served to use 400 lines to say that law enforcement is heavy in Lawrence MA or that Betty Boop in Lowell MA gives you sticky shorts in her finish?
If you read certain boards there is certainly a spirit of comradery established between members, and humor can become painful if dragged out too long, but is certainly found on many of the boards.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and you can read or post as you see fit, but most boards seem to find their own rythm and, with the rare exception where a member abuses other members, it is clearly working.
This site is great. Don't change it.
Occasional abuse by uneducated or ill mannered mongers should not be allowed to kill the golden goose. Free exchange of information is the beauty of the internet. This is not an exclusive club or society. All are welcome but abusers are kicked out.
Keep it free and open !!!!!!
Senior Citizen, I agree completely. If I had to use four hundred words to explain that there were lots of SW's working Aurora Avenue last night, people would get extremely bored and quit reading my posts. Since when is verbosity a virtue. I believe that short and concise posts make more sense.
Civ2000
extra care should be taken to differentiate posts that talk about differentiating real women from transsexual / shemale / transvestite, for a simple reason.
jackson says that this forum is for sex with women only. granted. if you want only sex with women, you'll come here expecting only to read about this. discussion on how to ferret out real women will be very helpful to prevent any disillusionment. it is known that many regions are replete with impostors. (i encountered one on lockhart rd, hong kong and he was jailed the very next day.)
jackson, you must be careful not to censor anything that talks about how to differentiate real women from transsexual / shemale / transvestite, unless it has other things that break forum rules.
[blue]hi,
your argument sounds good, and for the first year of the forum's existence i endeavored to make the distinction, but eventually i became aware of two phenomena that required me to adopt a zero tolerance policy:
1. the guys looking for this stuff would use carefully worded reports to disseminate the info to their like-minded perverts, and...
2. the subject could not be discussed openly under any circumstances because. like the discussions of **** persons, it would spark too many flame wars.
eventually, i decided to just stop all discussions on the subject.
thanks,
jackson[/blue]
Jackson,
Regarding TS/TV content, you posted:
"Eventually, I decided to just stop all discussions on the subject."
Does that include passing references to areas or places (bars in Pattaya come to mind) that should be avoided due to heavy lady-boy content?
I've made a list of all those type places mentioned in the Pattaya forum (to be avoided on my trip), and personally thank the guys who have helped me steer clear of 'things in the dark' that I really don't want to see once I get there.
Just a thought,
Atlanta Monger
Jackson, your rules are great as usual.
One rule in Question, if you cant post e mail address's how do these guys sign up on the underground parties. Thay all have yahoo addresses??
[blue]Jimmy,
Can't everyone use the PM system to exchange their email address?
Perhaps there is some mis-understanding here: Email address are not permitted in the Forum, but you can exchange email address via PMs.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
About new members. I understand, Jackson, that you have more and more people who have registered since you have added the pictures sections for each country.
I have also notice downtimes those last days, mostly during the night (your time) which means daytime in Europe.
I believe there is no way to avoid people to register even if they do not contribute, however would it be possible, as a rule for any new suscriber, to ask a new member to provide at least 2 reports whitin a 1-week timeframe. Then the guys who are just looking for amateur picture would not want to write anything... and with not post within a week, the ID would be deleted ?
Jackson,
I like the idea of allowing new members in eventho the forum struggles with the allocated/paid bandwidth.
But I do think that new members should at least file a report or - even better - submit a photograph when applying and not just comply with username criteria.
I have registred to another website a year ago, a crap site for south america in fact, which I haven't really used. But at least, in order to register properly and be able to see all people's post, they required you to submit, with your application, 2 reports. 1 on your country or place you live in, one on another place you have visited. They make some checks to make sure what you write is not copy/paste from somewhere. Then, after 24 hours you get full access, but in order to keep your membership, you need to post something like 1 full report every six month (if I remember).
Jackson, I think this would be a good way to start with. Ask the new members to submit at least 1 full report, something like 50,000 characters or so.
As a poster of photos I have a problem with lurkers. If the new crop of applications is in an attempt to continue lurking-which is probably 80% of the new herd of apps-then create some posting rule as membership requirement. Simple as that. I just don't like lurkers. Not on this site.
[size=-2][u]EDITOR's NOTE[/u]: [blue]Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions to [u]add a spaces periods[/u] at the ends of sentences. To avoid delays in future reports, please include one blank space after the period at the end of sentences. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/size]
50,000 characters are too much. What we want is substance in the posts rather than a lengthy one.
Jackson,
I agree with renee on the below post, but that is not the reason for the post. I saw you coment about "milky boy" in the latavia section. I would like to have then removed. I think you could add to the posting guidlines not diliberate repatition.
Also last year one new member posted in ever eastern european topic that he will be there in a few months and would like information. I understand that this can not be totallyavoided but i think a anti repitiion rule would give cause to delete both posters messages.
anyway that is my opinion for what it is worth.
The meaning of 'general BS' can be broadened to include 'deliberate repetition' within a short time interval. But if the same information is repeated more than 1 month or 3 pages apart, repetition may become necessary.
[blue]Hi,
Actually, posting repetive postings is already defined as spam.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
Jackson, as far as to your plan as stated below:
If your proposed User Name conforms with the User Name Guidelines, it will be activated on March 25th or 26th.
If your proposed User Name conforms with the User Name Guidelines EXCEPT that you did not capitalize the first letter, then it will be edited and subsequently activated between March 27th and April 2nd.
If your proposed User Name conforms with the User Name Guidelines EXCEPT that you did not parse two otherwise separate words, then it will be edited and subsequently activated between March 27th and April 2nd.
If your proposed User Name is an unpronounceable word or was otherwise formulated without any consideration for the User Name Guidelines, then it will be edited and subsequently activated sometime between April 3rd and April 10th
I would agree on your processing the proposed names that conform but need editting after the ones that conform. As far as the ones you are putting off to April 3-10, the unpronounceable or non-conforming-in-any-way names..... If I were you I would send the lot of them a form letter saying sorry, you are going to have to re-apply for membership and let them get to the back of the new line with a decent screen name. No reason to coddle people who can not or will not make an effort to choose a name which fits the forum. Just my .02
Hi Jackson , Like you I also think that the new wannabe members are just applying for membership to be able to view the pictures .If they really had something to post on this forum they would have become members a long time ago.
On the thought of having them post at least one mongering report.Here's my take on that.It will actually prompt the new members to post frivilrous reports or maybe even a false report to gain membership and that will not be of any benefit to this forum.
One suggestion would be to propose a trial membership period in which the new members can be screened out later on as to if they have been compliant to forum policies.I do understand that this means more work for you Jackson.But I am sure you will make the right decision like you always do.Anyways I am with you in whatever decision you make.
Raider
Pictures should not be seen by all members maybe, but rather only by members who have posted some pictures themselves.
So we would avoid lurkers and mongers would have more motivation to take pictures. It is much more easier to write a fake report than to post a fake picture.
If members are not interested in taking pictures, then why would they be interested in watching pictures?
Being a Senior Member myself it may not seem correct to suggest it, but how about only Senior Members being able to view photos.
That way Jackson will be in full control, as he will evaluate the posts of the Regular Member before upgrading him, and then at the same time let him view the pics.
I guess it may be difficult to make the changes to the Forum that Farang Steve propose; that you can only view pix after having posted pix yourself. Just thinking out loud!
In order to deal with the excesive use of bandwidth, I would start by applying a zero tolerance to the posting of useless photos: they should be deleted as soon as possible to stop everyone from seeing them and wasting bandwith.
By useless photos I mean any photos which are not related directly to the hobby. Plenty of photos are being posted on a daily basis which have absolutely nothing to do with finding women: they show neither women nor places where you can find women, they only show tourist attractions, views of cities or they are directly copied and pasted from news websites. They represent the biggest waste of bandwith I can think of.
According to the current guidelines photos must be:
1. Taken personally by the poster
AND
2. Show women or places
I would modify condition number 2 to 'show women or places that are directly related to finding women (e.g. Pick-up bars or clubs, Massage parlours, SW areas, etc)'.
Any photos posted that don't comply with conditions 1 AND 2 should be considered as spam and deleted.
Those spam pictures don't contribute in any way to the purpose of this site.
I know this is not going to solve the problem of excessive use of bandwith but it will definitely help to reduce it.