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[QUOTE=HomerGuy;3895669]It seems they've fired a bunch of their gals lately, starting with Olivia. Sounds like they're only going with the real money makers. Sounds more like a corporate mentality than an escort agency.[/QUOTE]Where are you getting your intel from? How do you know they were fired and not quit?

If you don't like their business model, do not use them then. I see nothing wrong with them getting rid of under performers. I pay top $ and I want good performers.

[QUOTE=OFCharlie;3896465]Where are you getting your intel from? How do you know they were fired and not quit?

If you don't like their business model, do not use them then. I see nothing wrong with them getting rid of under performers. I pay top $ and I want good performers.[/QUOTE]I got my information from a recent session with one of their gals who didn't go into detail, only that Olivia and a few others were fired. As for saying the agencies have a corporate mentality, it was only an observation, not a criticism. If there were as many independent hot young hoofers in the area as there are working for local agencies I'd love it because there'd be fewer restrictions on time, etc. Just one guy's opinion.

[QUOTE=HomerGuy;3896571]I got my information from a recent session with one of their gals who didn't go into detail, only that Olivia and a few others were fired. As for saying the agencies have a corporate mentality, it was only an observation, not a criticism. If there were as many independent hot young hoofers in the area as there are working for local agencies I'd love it because there'd be fewer restrictions on time, etc. Just one guy's opinion.[/QUOTE]Well, there are many reasons why young girls work for an agency. For one, how many 19 yr old girls have a credit card. Even if they do, most hotels won't let a 19 yr old check in. Also, most of the agency girls are in college, just trying to have less student loans when they graduate. They don't have the time to do the screening.

Personally, I prefer to deal with an agency like mce. As I posted before, there were times where I would shoot them a text and an hour later I would be knocking on the hotel door to see one of their girls.

[QUOTE=OFCharlie;3896623]Well, there are many reasons why young girls work for an agency. For one, how many 19 yr old girls have a credit card. Even if they do, most hotels won't let a 19 yr old check in. Also, most of the agency girls are in college, just trying to have less student loans when they graduate. They don't have the time to do the screening.

Personally, I prefer to deal with an agency like mce. As I posted before, there were times where I would shoot them a text and an hour later I would be knocking on the hotel door to see one of their girls.[/QUOTE]Yet MCE takes 50% of their cut. LOL.

The girls do all the physical work yet the booker nor the owner spreads their legs.

It may be a standard for the industry but it should be more in my opinion.

[QUOTE=OFCharlie;3896623]Well, there are many reasons why young girls work for an agency. For one, how many 19 yr old girls have a credit card. Even if they do, most hotels won't let a 19 yr old check in. Also, most of the agency girls are in college, just trying to have less student loans when they graduate. They don't have the time to do the screening.

Personally, I prefer to deal with an agency like mce. As I posted before, there were times where I would shoot them a text and an hour later I would be knocking on the hotel door to see one of their girls.[/QUOTE]I'm with you, Charlie, on all your points. These young girls could never make the kind of money they do going solo because they lack the savvy, ambition and resources for screening, etc. Not that there weren't young solo young hot hoofers in the Good Olde Days, but since the tightened restrictions in the name of trafficking, screening has become a much bigger deal than it ever was, it's less possible to go it alone for these young ones. It's just that agencies McDonald's-like efficiency takes its toll by depriving the hobby of some of the spontaneity and fun. These gals are scared stiff of MCE bosses and except for some of their top money makers, need to live up to assembly line standards or risk getting canned. Even their most popular gals jump when their cell phone timers go off at EXACTLY the one hour mark. Some fun ain't it?

[QUOTE=ChiCity01;3896718]Yet MCE takes 50% of their cut. LOL.

The girls do all the physical work yet the booker nor the owner spreads their legs.

It may be a standard for the industry but it should be more in my opinion.[/QUOTE]They make them pay for the room too.

Not all agencies are like that. But for this reason and for the post saying how the girls are terrified of the bosses and the timer is why I won't use some agencies around here. I get it doesn't bug some of you, and rock on.

It's why I had to stop using Angelli's when it was Kelly's. A couple girls told me they were leaving cause the owner was rough and kept threatening to get more 'inventory' if they didn't keep us coming back.

It's a boner killer for me.

[QUOTE=HomerGuy;3895669]It seems they've fired a bunch of their gals lately, starting with Olivia.[/QUOTE]One of the other girls told me she got fired for causing drama with a client.

[QUOTE]Sounds more like a corporate mentality than an escort agency.[/QUOTE]That's what I'm looking for, at these rates -- I want the kind of service a regular business will give me.

[QUOTE=HomerGuy;3896745]I'm with you, Charlie, on all your points. These young girls could never make the kind of money they do going solo because they lack the savvy, ambition and resources for screening, etc. Not that there weren't young solo young hot hoofers in the Good Olde Days, but since the tightened restrictions in the name of trafficking, screening has become a much bigger deal than it ever was, it's less possible to go it alone for these young ones. It's just that agencies McDonald's-like efficiency takes its toll by depriving the hobby of some of the spontaneity and fun. These gals are scared stiff of MCE bosses and except for some of their top money makers, need to live up to assembly line standards or risk getting canned. Even their most popular gals jump when their cell phone timers go off at EXACTLY the one hour mark. Some fun ain't it?[/QUOTE]It's simple math. Take a $400 girl, with 50% cut as example. That is $200 per hour. To make $100K a year, she needs to see 500 guys (assuming all are 1 hour appt). That is like 10 guys a week. Top performers easily see more than that. All this math is not counting any tips guys might give them. And let's not forget this is all tax free money. How many 20 yr old girls can make $100K a year without opening their legs?

While I feel very bad that they have to do this to pay for college, at the same time nobody is putting a gun to their heads.

As for your comment on the timer, I actually don't have an issue with that. Isn't that better than being shorted on time? Just read the posts on this site. How many guys complain about not getting the full time that they paid for? We all know about the timer going in. And mce is not the only agency to use timer. As I said in the other post, the solution is simple. Don't use agencies if you don't like them. It's really that simple.

Finally, this is econ 101. Basic supply and demand. Agencies exist because there is demand out there.

[QUOTE=WallyMan;3897290]They make them pay for the room too.

Not all agencies are like that. But for this reason and for the post saying how the girls are terrified of the bosses and the timer is why I won't use some agencies around here. I get it doesn't bug some of you, and rock on.

It's why I had to stop using Angelli's when it was Kelly's. A couple girls told me they were leaving cause the owner was rough and kept threatening to get more 'inventory' if they didn't keep us coming back.

It's a boner killer for me.[/QUOTE]This is good discussion. An agency is really no different than any business. If workers are not happy, then they leave. If customers are not happy, then they will stop using their service. An agency just like any business will either have to adopt/change or it will go out of business.

This kind of open discussion is good as I am sure all agencies monitor this site. Constructive feedbacks are good for everyone.

[QUOTE=WallyMan;3897290]They make them pay for the room too.

Not all agencies are like that. But for this reason and for the post saying how the girls are terrified of the bosses and the timer is why I won't use some agencies around here. I get it doesn't bug some of you, and rock on.

It's why I had to stop using Angelli's when it was Kelly's. A couple girls told me they were leaving cause the owner was rough and kept threatening to get more 'inventory' if they didn't keep us coming back.

It's a boner killer for me.[/QUOTE]I am certain that just like the company I work for, there is more back end work that we don't know or see to deliver a product or service. We say 50% split is unfair but in a regular business, the companies always make more than 60% of the profits. I also know that two girls have told me that they get higher cut than the agency. And finally, multiple girls have told me that the Agency pays for the rooms.

I am new to Chicago agencies and I started using that agency more than the other one based on how good you all spoke of them. I find it confusing how we all know that their strictness is for our benefits but want to rant. Please show me a perfect agency and I will give them my money.

[QUOTE=HomerGuy;3896745]I'm with you, Charlie, on all your points. These young girls could never make the kind of money they do going solo because they lack the savvy, ambition and resources for screening, etc. Not that there weren't young solo young hot hoofers in the Good Olde Days, but since the tightened restrictions in the name of trafficking, screening has become a much bigger deal than it ever was, it's less possible to go it alone for these young ones. It's just that agencies McDonald's-like efficiency takes its toll by depriving the hobby of some of the spontaneity and fun. These gals are scared stiff of MCE bosses and except for some of their top money makers, need to live up to assembly line standards or risk getting canned. Even their most popular gals jump when their cell phone timers go off at EXACTLY the one hour mark. Some fun ain't it?[/QUOTE]Phone rings and they jump to respond. Very true. Would you say that the girls want extra time with us and that They woud totally hang out with us for free? They jump because of fear and not because time is money?

[QUOTE=Fun69;3897957]I am certain that just like the company I work for, there is more back end work that we don't know or see to deliver a product or service. We say 50% split is unfair but in a regular business, the companies always make more than 60% of the profits. I also know that two girls have told me that they get higher cut than the agency. And finally, multiple girls have told me that the Agency pays for the rooms.

I am new to Chicago agencies and I started using that agency more than the other one based on how good you all spoke of them. I find it confusing how we all know that their strictness is for our benefits but want to rant. Please show me a perfect agency and I will give them my money.[/QUOTE]Companies make more than 60% profit. How does that help the girls that spread their legs and do all the physical work?

Perhaps they should be getting 60% or more in return. 2 girls make more than agency? How is that fair for the other girls?

[QUOTE=WallyMan;3897290]They make them pay for the room too.

Not all agencies are like that. But for this reason and for the post saying how the girls are terrified of the bosses and the timer is why I won't use some agencies around here. I get it doesn't bug some of you, and rock on.

It's why I had to stop using Angelli's when it was Kelly's. A couple girls told me they were leaving cause the owner was rough and kept threatening to get more 'inventory' if they didn't keep us coming back.

It's a boner killer for me.[/QUOTE]They also share the rooms with other girls so the cost is shared somewhat. It also explains why they use a timer for session length. The next girl needs the room to get ready for her appointment.

[QUOTE=ChiCity01;3898351]Companies make more than 60% profit. How does that help the girls that spread their legs and do all the physical work?

Perhaps they should be getting 60% or more in return. 2 girls make more than agency? How is that fair for the other girls?[/QUOTE]If the girls remain at the agency I would think it means they are happy so let's not be saviors or saints. I usually tip generously so whenever we feel their are victims of the agency, let's open our wallets and not just complain. I for one enjoy the variety and the option of having a one stop shop. The fact that two girls have told me they make 60% split means I don't know how many more. But how is this our business? When a girl cancelled on me last minute, there was a girl responding trying to accommodate for me. Who am I to question the value of the back end work that goes on. When something goes wrong, they juggle the drama and act accordingly. I think that if we can afford this extra curricular activity we most likely are busiensss men that need to understand the value of a business. Based on the agencies I use here in LA and in Chicago, the Good agencies seem to do things similar. I don't think I know more than them becuase it's not my industry expertise. Why do we complain here yet the girls all seem completely happy and work with the agencies voluntarily?

[QUOTE=OFCharlie;3897623]This is good discussion. An agency is really no different than any business. If workers are not happy, then they leave. If customers are not happy, then they will stop using their service. An agency just like any business will either have to adopt/change or it will go out of business.

This kind of open discussion is good as I am sure all agencies monitor this site. Constructive feedbacks are good for everyone.[/QUOTE]I agree totally this discussion is good. And I also agree with the posts saying the ladies are willing to work, I don't want to be misunderstood. But to say they can just leave is bull. Who hasn't had a job where conditions sucked but you stayed cause you needed money? Especially now since the new laws.

But some places treat their girls good, some don't. If I am not seeing indies, it matters to me to put my money where I know the women I am seeing get the best treatment. I do that with real world businesses too. And since agencies do read this, your girls talk lmao. Here's what they say:

Angelli's / MCE recruit some from sugar baby sites, then flip 'them. Others are wherever the other Polish / Russian girls come from. 50/50 split or sometimes 60/40 depending. Charged for rooms, started making them share rooms when girls complained about them taking discounts out of their pay or changing pay structure without notice. Photos, review discounts come from their pay. The angelli owner is known as a total dickhead to them. Honestly, I have heard the worst about him than anybody in over 20 years of mongering so if I sound shitty about them, I am. And its consistent, so its not just one pissed of chick. So if I sound shitty about them, I am and I hope their girls can go somewhere with better treatment soon. Their turnover is no shock. Agency makes schedule.

Youwannasee- 50/50 split, the house mom is cool to them, low pay but treated OK and no house fees. Once the new girl smell has worn off, they cut hours and give them to other girls. Agency makes schedule. Girls mainly pissed cause photos aren't accurate and its hard on them.

Wetnwild. Split varies starting from 50/50 and up depending on experience. Pays part of photos. The escort pays room no other fee's other than driver fee for outcalls. Never really heard any complaints tbh other than a one off here and there from girls fired and honestly, those downward spiraled from there so I can see why they were. Booker can leave something to be desired in communication skills from a clients perspective.

Michelles. Small group and their women stick around cause they like it there. I have only heard excellent things from their gals other than them closing one year for two weeks with a days notice right before Christmas, LOL. Small group, treated well and its been a while but it was 50/50 I think. Gals make their own schedule. Seriously, their girls love working there.

2 kg. Full disclosure I saw the owners Elle and Betsy for a couple years before they started 2 kg, so I know the back story and like their motivation for why they started it. Totally owned by them, no backers. 60 girl / 40 agency split, agency pays for everything, discounts come out of the agencies money not the split, when the girls get a no show they pay them there full rate anyway / girl decide how many appointments they want a day. Women make their own schedules. Treat the girls incredibly well, more of a collective attitude. They are strict though when it comes to the level of escorts professionalism in showing up and not changing their look (probably cause they have to pay for new pics) which a few fired girls complained about to me. Its the least 'agency' feel of all of them imo and consistently the best experience I have had with an agency in Chicago. Their visiting gals are mainly Indies who sign on with them when in town cause of good treatment / no hosting fees. However, if you like the Polish / Russian thing they are not for you. They don't have anyone who was not born in the US. Hire mainly from word of mouth.

262- no clue. I don't mess with places that don't screen, paranoid about busts its too easy for LE to get in. I also don't do YMMV to save a few bucks, I like a sure thing.

[QUOTE=Fun69;3899292]If the girls remain at the agency I would think it means they are happy so let's not be saviors or saints. I usually tip generously so whenever we feel their are victims of the agency, let's open our wallets and not just complain. I for one enjoy the variety and the option of having a one stop shop. The fact that two girls have told me they make 60% split means I don't know how many more. But how is this our business? When a girl cancelled on me last minute, there was a girl responding trying to accommodate for me. Who am I to question the value of the back end work that goes on. When something goes wrong, they juggle the drama and act accordingly. I think that if we can afford this extra curricular activity we most likely are busiensss men that need to understand the value of a business. Based on the agencies I use here in LA and in Chicago, the Good agencies seem to do things similar. I don't think I know more than them becuase it's not my industry expertise. Why do we complain here yet the girls all seem completely happy and work with the agencies voluntarily?[/QUOTE]The girls can actually just work for themselves being on SA using R2 K or P411. Sure the girls are busy with school and such, but surely they can allocate time to send a request to p411 or RS2 K to verify a potential SD or client. Then allocate time to do a incall or outcall.

Those verification websites have been around for a long time. Why should the girls use agencies, being micro managed, have their pay cut short while the girls can be their own bosses and make all the profit? The girls are the business not the agencies. Without girls spreading their legs, there be no agencies because the girls makes up 99% of the clientele not the agencies, 1% comes from screening verification sites, or just screening.

To OFF Charlie, if SB are aware of P411 and RS2 K, that 200 $ ph can actually be 400 ph, double the yearly salary to 200 k. And who knows, there are girls that would fuck 60 year old men, you are just speculating. It may be hard on SA, but like you said, if the girls are in it for the $ they would fuck any age on SA.

[QUOTE=WallyMan;3899799]I agree totally this discussion is good. And I also agree with the posts saying the ladies are willing to work, I don't want to be misunderstood. But to say they can just leave is bull. Who hasn't had a job where conditions sucked but you stayed cause you needed money? Especially now since the new laws.

But some places treat their girls good, some don't. If I am not seeing indies, it matters to me to put my money where I know the women I am seeing get the best treatment. I do that with real world businesses too. And since agencies do read this, your girls talk lmao. Here's what they say:

Angelli's / MCE recruit some from sugar baby sites, then flip 'them. Others are wherever the other Polish / Russian girls come from. 50/50 split or sometimes 60/40 depending. Charged for rooms, started making them share rooms when girls complained about them taking discounts out of their pay or changing pay structure without notice. Photos, review discounts come from their pay. The angelli owner is known as a total dickhead to them. Honestly, I have heard the worst about him than anybody in over 20 years of mongering so if I sound shitty about them, I am. And its consistent, so its not just one pissed of chick. So if I sound shitty about them, I am and I hope their girls can go somewhere with better treatment soon. Their turnover is no shock. Agency makes schedule.

Youwannasee- 50/50 split, the house mom is cool to them, low pay but treated OK and no house fees. Once the new girl smell has worn off, they cut hours and give them to other girls. Agency makes schedule. Girls mainly pissed cause photos aren't accurate and its hard on them.

Wetnwild. Split varies starting from 50/50 and up depending on experience. Pays part of photos. The escort pays room no other fee's other than driver fee for outcalls. Never really heard any complaints tbh other than a one off here and there from girls fired and honestly, those downward spiraled from there so I can see why they were. Booker can leave something to be desired in communication skills from a clients perspective.

Michelles. Small group and their women stick around cause they like it there. I have only heard excellent things from their gals other than them closing one year for two weeks with a days notice right before Christmas, LOL. Small group, treated well and its been a while but it was 50/50 I think. Gals make their own schedule. Seriously, their girls love working there.

2 kg. Full disclosure I saw the owners Elle and Betsy for a couple years before they started 2 kg, so I know the back story and like their motivation for why they started it. Totally owned by them, no backers. 60 girl / 40 agency split, agency pays for everything, discounts come out of the agencies money not the split, when the girls get a no show they pay them there full rate anyway / girl decide how many appointments they want a day. Women make their own schedules. Treat the girls incredibly well, more of a collective attitude. They are strict though when it comes to the level of escorts professionalism in showing up and not changing their look (probably cause they have to pay for new pics) which a few fired girls complained about to me. Its the least 'agency' feel of all of them imo and consistently the best experience I have had with an agency in Chicago. Their visiting gals are mainly Indies who sign on with them when in town cause of good treatment / no hosting fees. However, if you like the Polish / Russian thing they are not for you. They don't have anyone who was not born in the US. Hire mainly from word of mouth.

262- no clue. I don't mess with places that don't screen, paranoid about busts its too easy for LE to get in. I also don't do YMMV to save a few bucks, I like a sure thing.[/QUOTE]That is why I totally use independents and SB now because of how MCE and Angelis treat their girls. As well as other agencies too. I want the girls I fuck to receive the full payment. The girls spread their legs, drink our cum, and take a full pounding, and lick our ass sometimes. The agency owners don't at all! So why should they get half doing NO sexual acts? If the MCE girls read this. Do yourself a favor and use P411, and RS2 k to be your own boss and get 100% profit.

It's funny how MCE has new seductive photos just recently after getting bad press on this website.

The new photos aren't going to deter hobbiest about how unfairly, and how bad you treat your girls, well for me it won't since I don't use them or any agencies for that manner.

[QUOTE=WallyMan;3899799]I agree totally this discussion is good. And I also agree with the posts saying the ladies are willing to work, I don't want to be misunderstood. But to say they can just leave is bull. Who hasn't had a job where conditions sucked but you stayed cause you needed money? Especially now since the new laws.

But some places treat their girls good, some don't. If I am not seeing indies, it matters to me to put my money where I know the women I am seeing get the best treatment. I do that with real world businesses too. And since agencies do read this, your girls talk lmao. Here's what they say:

Angelli's / MCE recruit some from sugar baby sites, then flip 'them. Others are wherever the other Polish / Russian girls come from. 50/50 split or sometimes 60/40 depending. Charged for rooms, started making them share rooms when girls complained about them taking discounts out of their pay or changing pay structure without notice. Photos, review discounts come from their pay. The angelli owner is known as a total dickhead to them. Honestly, I have heard the worst about him than anybody in over 20 years of mongering so if I sound shitty about them, I am. And its consistent, so its not just one pissed of chick. So if I sound shitty about them, I am and I hope their girls can go somewhere with better treatment soon. Their turnover is no shock. Agency makes schedule.

Youwannasee- 50/50 split, the house mom is cool to them, low pay but treated OK and no house fees. Once the new girl smell has worn off, they cut hours and give them to other girls. Agency makes schedule. Girls mainly pissed cause photos aren't accurate and its hard on them.

Wetnwild. Split varies starting from 50/50 and up depending on experience. Pays part of photos. The escort pays room no other fee's other than driver fee for outcalls. Never really heard any complaints tbh other than a one off here and there from girls fired and honestly, those downward spiraled from there so I can see why they were. Booker can leave something to be desired in communication skills from a clients perspective.

Michelles. Small group and their women stick around cause they like it there. I have only heard excellent things from their gals other than them closing one year for two weeks with a days notice right before Christmas, LOL. Small group, treated well and its been a while but it was 50/50 I think. Gals make their own schedule. Seriously, their girls love working there.

2 kg. Full disclosure I saw the owners Elle and Betsy for a couple years before they started 2 kg, so I know the back story and like their motivation for why they started it. Totally owned by them, no backers. 60 girl / 40 agency split, agency pays for everything, discounts come out of the agencies money not the split, when the girls get a no show they pay them there full rate anyway / girl decide how many appointments they want a day. Women make their own schedules. Treat the girls incredibly well, more of a collective attitude. They are strict though when it comes to the level of escorts professionalism in showing up and not changing their look (probably cause they have to pay for new pics) which a few fired girls complained about to me. Its the least 'agency' feel of all of them imo and consistently the best experience I have had with an agency in Chicago. Their visiting gals are mainly Indies who sign on with them when in town cause of good treatment / no hosting fees. However, if you like the Polish / Russian thing they are not for you. They don't have anyone who was not born in the US. Hire mainly from word of mouth.

262- no clue. I don't mess with places that don't screen, paranoid about busts its too easy for LE to get in. I also don't do YMMV to save a few bucks, I like a sure thing.[/QUOTE]Sorry, to clarify, are MCE and Angellis the same? It doesn't seem like it. If they are different, you specifically mention Angellis owner as being bad, does that go for MCE as well? I personally haven't heard the girls complain about MCE.

[QUOTE=Bsuh69;3900444]Sorry, to clarify, are MCE and Angellis the same? It doesn't seem like it. If they are different, you specifically mention Angellis owner as being bad, does that go for MCE as well? I personally haven't heard the girls complain about MCE.[/QUOTE]I surely don't want to give my personal information to these 18-21 year olds. Imagine having to get verified for each girl. I use agency becuase I like the one stop shop. When I was in Chicago I saw 8 MCE girls and 3 Angellis girls. I stopped using Agellis because of three reasons that instead of bashing Them, I simply don't book. Out of the 8 MCE girls that I saw, I kept hearing how strict they are with the rules. Be on time, provide your schedule early, hygiene and small items that to me seem like a good thing for US. I don't think that going independent is the solution but I can see clearly why WE would prefer that. I won't be a hypocrite and say I want them to be independent because it will be easier for them. It simply means we mongers will be opportunistic and advantageous of their independency. Bottom line don't use agencies if you don't like them.

Anyways.

[QUOTE=Fun69;3900483]I surely don't want to give my personal information to these 18-21 year olds. Imagine having to get verified for each girl. I use agency becuase I like the one stop shop. When I was in Chicago I saw 8 MCE girls and 3 Angellis girls. I stopped using Agellis because of three reasons that instead of bashing Them, I simply don't book. Out of the 8 MCE girls that I saw, I kept hearing how strict they are with the rules. Be on time, provide your schedule early, hygiene and small items that to me seem like a good thing for US. I don't think that going independent is the solution but I can see clearly why WE would prefer that. I won't be a hypocrite and say I want them to be independent because it will be easier for them. It simply means we mongers will be opportunistic and advantageous of their independency. Bottom line don't use agencies if you don't like them.

Anyways.[/QUOTE]I think you may have responded to the wrong post.

[QUOTE=Bsuh69;3900444]Sorry, to clarify, are MCE and Angellis the same? It doesn't seem like it. If they are different, you specifically mention Angellis owner as being bad, does that go for MCE as well? I personally haven't heard the girls complain about MCE.[/QUOTE]They are not the same. A while back (before FOSTA / SESTA) a few MCE girls left that agency and showed up at Angelli's. There have been reports that Angelli's and EEC have merged but I can't confirm that.

[QUOTE=ChiCity01;3900274]It's funny how MCE has new seductive photos just recently after getting bad press on this website.

The new photos aren't going to deter hobbiest about how unfairly, and how bad you treat your girls, well for me it won't since I don't use them or any agencies for that manner.[/QUOTE]I feel like this person isn't contributing anything useful, every post is agency bashing.

[QUOTE=Bsuh69;3901647]I feel like this person isn't contributing anything useful, every post is agency bashing.[/QUOTE]As mentioned before, sounds more like a provider than a hobbyist.

[QUOTE=FirstTimer7;3901822]As mentioned before, sounds more like a provider than a hobbyist.[/QUOTE]Definitely, I just want to make sure anyone reading their posts does so with a grain of salt.

[QUOTE=ChiCity01;3900091]That is why I totally use independents and SB now because of how MCE and Angelis treat their girls. As well as other agencies too. I want the girls I fuck to receive the full payment. The girls spread their legs, drink our cum, and take a full pounding, and lick our ass sometimes. The agency owners don't at all! So why should they get half doing NO sexual acts? If the MCE girls read this. Do yourself a favor and use P411, and RS2 k to be your own boss and get 100% profit.[/QUOTE]You need to educate yourself, cause you don't get it.

Here is the deal. Girls make a decision how they work. And the indy side is NOT all its cracked up to be. First, anyone who has hobby'd for more than a minute knows rs2 k is compromised. They got busted and are still 'allowed' to operate. This was discussed on the TER boards before it became useless.

And if you think that its not expensive to be an indy. It is. I have seen too many girls try and go back to agencies cause they make more money. Some kick ass as indy's but they tell me it was more work than they ever thought.

Websites, advertising, screening, getting hotels, what they pay for verification sites that most don't use anyway. None of it is cheap. Add to the fact that most girls don't even know how to get started.

I'm the first to say I have a real issue with how mce / angelli. And YES they merged even though some here say they didn't. Treats their girls. I think its scummy pimp shit. But some people don't care and that's their business.

But your all 'this is how it works' when you obviously have no clue.

Every monger decides for himself what he likes. I have seen good and bad indy's and good and bad agencies.

You sound like an independent who is slow playing the 'agencies are evil card'.

And if you are a monger, you sound like one who who thinks he knows everything but doesn't know anything.

[QUOTE=TheBigA1;3901554]They are not the same. A while back (before FOSTA / SESTA) a few MCE girls left that agency and showed up at Angelli's. There have been reports that Angelli's and EEC have merged but I can't confirm that.[/QUOTE]They may not be the same, but all 3 of them know each other.

If you type Angeli on the search bar under Escort or Agency Girls.

Look for the thread " This is Fantastic and sounds like they take care. Riina posted a email about EEC, Angeli and MCE. The owner of EEC once had animosity on MEC since Andra took EEC original girls to make a agency with a former EEC client.

Then states that MCE owner was mentored by Andra and Angeli. And since they are in close cooperation, they write fake reviews on TER to hype a girl. Since TER is gone, MEC and Angeli most likely write fake reviews on here. And EEC.

And since the word on the street that Angeli and EEC merged, well now they know each other and so does MEC since they know Angeli.

3 agencies that are in close cooperation with each other, I would take the reviews posted on here and in TER with a grain of salt.

They probably share client information.

[QUOTE=WallyMan;3902047]You need to educate yourself, cause you don't get it.

Here is the deal. Girls make a decision how they work. And the indy side is NOT all its cracked up to be. First, anyone who has hobby'd for more than a minute knows rs2 k is compromised. They got busted and are still 'allowed' to operate. This was discussed on the TER boards before it became useless.

And if you think that its not expensive to be an indy. It is. I have seen too many girls try and go back to agencies cause they make more money. Some kick ass as indy's but they tell me it was more work than they ever thought.

Websites, advertising, screening, getting hotels, what they pay for verification sites that most don't use anyway. None of it is cheap. Add to the fact that most girls don't even know how to get started.

I'm the first to say I have a real issue with how mce / angelli. And YES they merged even though some here say they didn't. Treats their girls. I think its scummy pimp shit. But some people don't care and that's their business.

But your all 'this is how it works' when you obviously have no clue.

Every monger decides for himself what he likes. I have seen good and bad indy's and good and bad agencies.

You sound like an independent who is slow playing the 'agencies are evil card'.

And if you are a monger, you sound like one who who thinks he knows everything but doesn't know anything.[/QUOTE]Besides RS2 K, you can't even sign up for p411 anymore. Useless advice.

[QUOTE=WallyMan;3902047]You need to educate yourself, cause you don't get it.

Here is the deal. Girls make a decision how they work. And the indy side is NOT all its cracked up to be. First, anyone who has hobby'd for more than a minute knows rs2 k is compromised. They got busted and are still 'allowed' to operate. This was discussed on the TER boards before it became useless.

And if you think that its not expensive to be an indy. It is. I have seen too many girls try and go back to agencies cause they make more money. Some kick ass as indy's but they tell me it was more work than they ever thought.

Websites, advertising, screening, getting hotels, what they pay for verification sites that most don't use anyway. None of it is cheap. Add to the fact that most girls don't even know how to get started.

I'm the first to say I have a real issue with how mce / angelli. And YES they merged even though some here say they didn't. Treats their girls. I think its scummy pimp shit. But some people don't care and that's their business.

But your all 'this is how it works' when you obviously have no clue.

Every monger decides for himself what he likes. I have seen good and bad indy's and good and bad agencies.

You sound like an independent who is slow playing the 'agencies are evil card'.

And if you are a monger, you sound like one who who thinks he knows everything but doesn't know anything.[/QUOTE]WRONG! RS2 K was never compromised. The discussion on TER was about the the owner / proprietor of the site was arrested for TAX EVASION, nothing more. Please get your facts straight.

[QUOTE=HomerGuy;3902651]WRONG! RS2 K was never compromised. The discussion on TER was about the the owner / proprietor of the site was arrested for TAX EVASION, nothing more. Please get your facts straight.[/QUOTE]Yeah, your right. The government just ignored the whole hooker thing lmao. Tell that to the owners of backpage.

They just said, fuck all that other illegal shit. We are going to just get them on tax evasion and let them just keep advertising all the stuff other places get in trouble for.

Sounds legit.

[QUOTE=WallyMan;3903371]Yeah, your right. The government just ignored the whole hooker thing lmao. Tell that to the owners of backpage.

They just said, fuck all that other illegal shit. We are going to just get them on tax evasion and let them just keep advertising all the stuff other places get in trouble for.

Sounds legit.[/QUOTE]Cool! Why not do some homework and post credible news links that RS2 K and not the owner as an individual was busted for tax evasion. It's old news, dude.

[QUOTE=WallyMan;3903371]Yeah, your right. The government just ignored the whole hooker thing lmao. Tell that to the owners of backpage.

They just said, fuck all that other illegal shit. We are going to just get them on tax evasion and let them just keep advertising all the stuff other places get in trouble for.

Sounds legit.[/QUOTE]There is a big difference with the legislation that went into effect and the perceived impact that it would have on Backpage.

Though Rs-Avs may have helped facilitate the p4 p industry, their service was verifying identity. There is no law regarding providing a verification service.

Busted for income tax evasion is another story. I signed up for RS-Avs a few years ago. Not concerned at all. So what, they have my info. It means nothing.

[QUOTE=HomerGuy;3903831]Cool! Why not do some homework and post credible news links that RS2 K and not the owner as an individual was busted for tax evasion. It's old news, dude.[/QUOTE][URL]https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/owner-of-escort-ad-site-going-to-prison-for-not-paying-taxes/[/URL]

But your right, I'm going to get out of this section and keep my opinions to myself.

Happy mongering and play safe everyone.

[QUOTE=WallyMan;3903371]Yeah, your right. The government just ignored the whole hooker thing lmao. Tell that to the owners of backpage.

They just said, fuck all that other illegal shit. We are going to just get them on tax evasion and let them just keep advertising all the stuff other places get in trouble for.

Sounds legit.[/QUOTE]There is also [URL]verifyhim.com[/URL]. So yeah, agency girls are not limited to RS2 K and p411.

I have RS2 K to see working girls, and it is what it is what happened with the tax invasion.

Many of you mongers have used or still use RS2 K or p411, those were the main websites agency used or currently use to verify clients past or present.

Just read through this thread, have been lurking these forums ever since MCE started giving discounts for reviews here.

I am a mongerer, not affiliated with any agency. Not sure how to prove this to you guys other than pointing to a few posts I've made in the Arrangements thread asking for advice. Doubt that an agency plant would go through that trouble.

MCE is just the real deal. I get the skepticism from you guys, especially after trying a bunch of stuff on SA and getting screwed over sometimes by agencies in the past. But MCE is just an agency that is too good to be true, except that it's actually true. I've been using them for about 3 years now. At the beginning things were a bit more spotty. Sometimes the girls didn't seem into it, sometimes there were missed appointments with no compensation or even an apology.

But from the beginning, I've asked probably like 20+ girls about the agency over the last 3 years, the girls have always said that the agency is awesome. They feel safe, they set their own schedules, MCE has always paid for their hotel rooms, and they have always taken 50% of the price. There are a few girls now (Kylie, Autumn) that have been with the agency for over a year now.

And somehow the agency has really stepped up their game in the last 1. 5 years or so. The girls are fucking amazing hot. Like half of these girls could probably model. Skinny, pretty faces, some athletic, young, college aged girls. The crazy thing is that recently the girls are also just unbelievably experienced in bed as well. Maybe it's just a hot streak for them or maybe they're doing some good training or something, but I've definitely noticed in the last 6 months that several of the girls are just super enthusiastic and willing to please. On top of being young, skinny college girls that you would only dream of fucking.

There were periods where the staff was definitely pretty cocky and unapologetic when things went wrong. The staff has accused me a couple of times of doing things I didn't do. They are also pretty unforgiving I think when it comes to girls or mongerers missing appointments. But you have to remember they are dealing with 18-23 year old hot chicks here. These are girls that pretty much get whatever they want from guys around them. They just don't happen to have rich guys accessible aruond them now. If they weren't strict these girls would never keep appointments and the business would never work. But I would say in the last year they have become super professional. They apologize when running late, they try to make it up to you if a girl cancels. And they fire girls that cancel without a reason, to protect our time!

I would say about half of the new girls are recruited by their friends who already work for the agency. The other half I'm not sure. Probably SA or similar websites. But I have never, ever encountered a girl that had serious concerns about the agency. I have had a few that complained about the agency, but this was the typical 19 year old bullshit. Lack of accountability for not holding up their side of the bargain. I have never heard a legitimate complaint from any of the girls, and most of them are super super positive about the agency.

I honestly think that what's going on here is other agencies are trying to bring them down because they've really dominated the market. And some of you are (understandably) just super skeptical because it seems too good to be true. If you're in the second boat and not trying them because of this, you're really missing out.

Oh and finally they really do recruit a certain body type and age. Almost all 18-22 year olds that are skinny, about 50% have really cute faces as well. Not too many chubby or even slightly chubby girls, though there are maybe like 1 or 2.

Just wanted to stand up for them a bit. They really have a good operation running imo.

[QUOTE=Jaster191;3905846]Just read through this thread, have been lurking these forums ever since MCE started giving discounts for reviews here.

I am a mongerer, not affiliated with any agency. Not sure how to prove this to you guys other than pointing to a few posts I've made in the Arrangements thread asking for advice. Doubt that an agency plant would go through that trouble.

MCE is just the real deal. I get the skepticism from you guys, especially after trying a bunch of stuff on SA and getting screwed over sometimes by agencies in the past. But MCE is just an agency that is too good to be true, except that it's actually true. I've been using them for about 3 years now. At the beginning things were a bit more spotty. Sometimes the girls didn't seem into it, sometimes there were missed appointments with no compensation or even an apology.

But from the beginning, I've asked probably like 20+ girls about the agency over the last 3 years, the girls have always said that the agency is awesome. They feel safe, they set their own schedules, MCE has always paid for their hotel rooms, and they have always taken 50% of the price. There are a few girls now (Kylie, Autumn) that have been with the agency for over a year now.

And somehow the agency has really stepped up their game in the last 1. 5 years or so. The girls are fucking amazing hot. Like half of these girls could probably model. Skinny, pretty faces, some athletic, young, college aged girls. The crazy thing is that recently the girls are also just unbelievably experienced in bed as well. Maybe it's just a hot streak for them or maybe they're doing some good training or something, but I've definitely noticed in the last 6 months that several of the girls are just super enthusiastic and willing to please. On top of being young, skinny college girls that you would only dream of fucking.

There were periods where the staff was definitely pretty cocky and unapologetic when things went wrong. The staff has accused me a couple of times of doing things I didn't do. They are also pretty unforgiving I think when it comes to girls or mongerers missing appointments. But you have to remember they are dealing with 18-23 year old hot chicks here. These are girls that pretty much get whatever they want from guys around them. They just don't happen to have rich guys accessible aruond them now. If they weren't strict these girls would never keep appointments and the business would never work. But I would say in the last year they have become super professional. They apologize when running late, they try to make it up to you if a girl cancels. And they fire girls that cancel without a reason, to protect our time!

I would say about half of the new girls are recruited by their friends who already work for the agency. The other half I'm not sure. Probably SA or similar websites. But I have never, ever encountered a girl that had serious concerns about the agency. I have had a few that complained about the agency, but this was the typical 19 year old bullshit. Lack of accountability for not holding up their side of the bargain. I have never heard a legitimate complaint from any of the girls, and most of them are super super positive about the agency.

I honestly think that what's going on here is other agencies are trying to bring them down because they've really dominated the market. And some of you are (understandably) just super skeptical because it seems too good to be true. If you're in the second boat and not trying them because of this, you're really missing out.

Oh and finally they really do recruit a certain body type and age. Almost all 18-22 year olds that are skinny, about 50% have really cute faces as well. Not too many chubby or even slightly chubby girls, though there are maybe like 1 or 2.

Just wanted to stand up for them a bit. They really have a good operation running imo.[/QUOTE]Perhaps it was unfair for the original EEC owner that Andra, who once worked for EEC, stoled client information to start her own business with a former EEC client.

EEC originally took over market share, but for some reason the owner just couldn't handle his office staff and his escorts. Look at post #28 on here.

Now, EEC and Angeli merged, and MCE, is in close cooperation with both of them as MCE cooperates with Angeli to write fake reviews. There is no competition now in Chicago, but the agencies who've been around 20+ years. Surely, those owners can't recruit hot girls on SA or else where.

The only agencies I see on this website that are brand new that may be able to compete with MCE, EEC and Angeli are [URL]http://www.cutiecollectiononline.com/updates.html[/URL].

And [URL]https://pureclassymodels.com[/URL].

Cutie, well looking at their website, the girls aren't attractive, and I am skeptical on using them. Pureandclassy looks like the have 2 hot girls, but am also skeptical on using them. However, I think Pureclassymodels can be up there as they list on their website they once were in the industry before.

[QUOTE=LipstickOnMe;3919845]Perhaps it was unfair for the original EEC owner that Andra, who once worked for EEC, stoled client information to start her own business with a former EEC client.

EEC originally took over market share, but for some reason the owner just couldn't handle his office staff and his escorts. Look at post #28 on here.

Now, EEC and Angeli merged, and MCE, is in close cooperation with both of them as MCE cooperates with Angeli to write fake reviews. There is no competition now in Chicago, but the agencies who've been around 20+ years. Surely, those owners can't recruit hot girls on SA or else where.

The only agencies I see on this website that are brand new that may be able to compete with MCE, EEC and Angeli are [URL]http://www.cutiecollectiononline.com/updates.html[/URL].

And [URL]https://pureclassymodels.com[/URL].

Cutie, well looking at their website, the girls aren't attractive, and I am skeptical on using them. Pureandclassy looks like the have 2 hot girls, but am also skeptical on using them. However, I think Pureclassymodels can be up there as they list on their website they once were in the industry before.[/QUOTE]I used to use EEC back in the day and when I found CEC, I had to get verified so I don't know if they stole me, I wish they would had just contacted me so I wouldn't need to get verified LOL. I'm glad there are more agencies because if one agency closes down then I will be shit out of luck. We all know mce girls are 9 and 10's caliber and angellis 6 and some decent 7's. If they are working together then I hope they keep bringing good talent but I think it was Anastasia and Alize who told me that the two owners do not like each other And don't work together to the point they don't talk. If someday pureclassy and cutiecollection move from having only 5-6 caliber then I'll consider them but currently not even remotely close to the girls available at mce.

[QUOTE=JohnSnowChi;3920715]I used to use EEC back in the day and when I found CEC, I had to get verified so I don't know if they stole me, I wish they would had just contacted me so I wouldn't need to get verified LOL. I'm glad there are more agencies because if one agency closes down then I will be shit out of luck. We all know mce girls are 9 and 10's caliber and angellis 6 and some decent 7's. If they are working together then I hope they keep bringing good talent but I think it was Anastasia and Alize who told me that the two owners do not like each other And don't work together to the point they don't talk. If someday pureclassy and cutiecollection move from having only 5-6 caliber then I'll consider them but currently not even remotely close to the girls available at mce.[/QUOTE]How do you know Pureclassymodels have 5-6 caliber girls? I saw Sakiya and she is a total 9.

Presley is actual up there too, more like a 10. I haven't seen her physically, but I did see her face pics. Have you seen their Models? You can't just say their 5-6's if you haven't seen them.

The owners had 9-10 Models before CEC ever existed, LOL. They can certainly compete with them.

Cutie, probably can only acquire 5-6 girls, I've seen some pics posted online once, now their gone.

[QUOTE=JohnSnowChi;3920715]I used to use EEC back in the day and when I found CEC, I had to get verified so I don't know if they stole me, I wish they would had just contacted me so I wouldn't need to get verified LOL. I'm glad there are more agencies because if one agency closes down then I will be shit out of luck. We all know mce girls are 9 and 10's caliber and angellis 6 and some decent 7's. If they are working together then I hope they keep bringing good talent but I think it was Anastasia and Alize who told me that the two owners do not like each other And don't work together to the point they don't talk. If someday pureclassy and cutiecollection move from having only 5-6 caliber then I'll consider them but currently not even remotely close to the girls available at mce.[/QUOTE]FYI. Alize (a favorite of mine from Angelli and MCE, under a name I cannot remember) has returned as Allie with ChicagoCoverGirls and SimplyGFE (who apparently "code share" now).