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[QUOTE=BackpageDude;3849707]One of the problems with making it legal is underage girls getting into it. Studies show in places where it is legal including NV the local girls who are underage are more likely to become involved. In every country where it is legal human trafficking is very high its higher in NV than any where in the USA. What better place to sell something illegal than where something that look like it is legal? No one love the hobby more than me and I would love to see it legal but my mind is at a cross road when it comes to the thought of more and more minors become victims of trafficking or by choice getting into the hobby. I have blogged on hampster about it and ask those who hobby to call the police if they see a minor at a motel or if they encounter a woman who seems to be forced. The hobby is a good thing and fun but its for people who are of legal age of consent and of their own free will decide to engage in its activity. Thats just my 2 cents I'm sure someone will correct me LOL but I can share links to studies that wasnt written by human rights showing how trafficking goes up where ever it is legal.[/QUOTE]I know what "studies" you are talking about and they are full of shit.

In countries where prostitution is legal there is next to zero trafficking. Commercial sex is legal in nearly all the rest of the developed world. Amnesty international has alienated themselves from their Hollywood supporters because it is their opinion that LEGAL prostitution, which removes criminality from the industry is the single biggest thing that will end trafficking and abuse of sex workers, I'm not saying that and I'm not saying "studies" are saying it Amnesty International is saying it.

[URL]https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/08/sex-workers-rights-are-human-rights[/URL]

Rhode Island accidentally legalized home based prostitution and want guess what happend? Rape nearly disappeared.

[URL]http://www.businessinsider.com/how-rhode-island-accidentally-legalized-prostitution-2014-7[/URL]

The "Study" you're talking about [URL]https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1986065[/URL] where they say that the "inflow of trafficked people is higher in Western Europe where prostitution is legal?

They include anybody who ENTERS the Schengen zone illegally to work as a prostitute as a trafficked person. That means some Russian chick who willingly goes to Germany to work in a brothel and overstays, she's now a trafficked person.

Here [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/15/legal-prostitution-and-sex-trafficking-from-the-annals-of-bad-economic-research/#22f9d6f45727[/URL].

Where they claim that by criminalizing prostitution in Sweden they cut down on the trafficking? What they did was make paying a hooker illegal, she can still sell pussy legally but if you buy it you're breaking the law. So those guys just jump on a Norwegian Air flight and go to Germany and fuck around in the FKK's.

This is the truth, no matter what the thing is prohibition is bad. Booze in the 20's, drugs since the 30's, and prostitution always. Making something a crime brings criminals to the sector, always happens. I have traveled the world over and I have never, not once, ever seen somebody chained to a bed or locked in a room in a legal brothel. Not one single time. Crime happens in secret, crime happens when people have to hide.

Here' this is an actual sex worker telling you what sex workers want. [URL]https://www.ted.com/talks/juno_mac_the_laws_that_sex_workers_really_want[/URL].

There are people for lots of different reasons who want to restrict your ability to buy sex, they lie to support their claims. Just like Harry Ansliger lied about weed to create an agency to combat drugs. I'm not trying to fight, but none of what you have been told is true.

[QUOTE=Admin2;3850086]
This is the truth, no matter what the thing is prohibition is bad. Booze in the 20's, drugs since the 30's, and prostitution always. Making something a crime brings criminals to the sector, always happens. I have traveled the world over and I have never, not once, ever seen somebody chained to a bed or locked in a room in a legal brothel. Not one single time. Crime happens in secret, crime happens when people have to hide.

[/QUOTE]I am in agreement with Admin on this, and am of the same opinion as Amesty International on the matter.

[QUOTE=Admin2;3850086]

In countries where prostitution is legal there is next to zero trafficking. Commercial sex is legal in nearly all the rest of the developed world. Amnesty international has alienated themselves from their Hollywood supporters because it is their opinion that LEGAL prostitution, which removes criminality from the industry is the single biggest thing that will end trafficking and abuse of sex workers, I'm not saying that and I'm not saying "studies" are saying it Amnesty International is saying it.

[URL]https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/08/sex-workers-rights-are-human-rights[/URL]
[/QUOTE]The problem in our hobby is not the bad things that some people within it do. And just to be clear, I'm not saying forced sex, or child sex trafficking is okay. What I am saying is that I think there is a misunderstanding between the various cause and effect relationships among things that is largely perpetuated by the ignorance of religious people, who influence our politicians, who then in turn write and pass laws that affect the rest of us. That in turn, empowers LE to go after all hobbyists, not just the bad people, and diverts LE resources that could be used exclusively for going after the people that are the real problem. (Like pimps that use minors for example.).

Just imagine, if instead of spending all the millions that they do on going after all hobbyists, that they took a more targeted approach, and focused more on the real problems instead of also going after people completely unrelated to the problem (such as consenting adults). My guess is that you would have fewer "consenting adults" in jail, while having more pimps, rapists, and serial killers that target SWs in jail, which is how I think it should be.

Decriminalization does not cause minors or anyone else to be forced into the sex trade. I can not think of one single instance, where that could clearly be demonstrated as being the case. What decriminalization does do is make it so that consenting adults can be allowed to do what they should have always been allowed to do all along. Which is fuck in peace.

They have legalization in their platform.

[QUOTE=JethRotheRed;3855498]They have legalization in their platform.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you brought them up. I almost forgot about them.

[QUOTE=BackpageDude;3863823]Well I can't argue and I appreciate knowledge if you correct a wise man you will only add to his wisdom, correct a fool and you will only make him angry. We have to remember that the USA makes tons of money by keeping things illegal. A lot of people don't no that this country invest in prisons and allow the private sectors to invest in prisons. Prisons are modern day slavery bc a lot of companies have their products made in prisons. It use to be mainly license plates but now every thing you can think of is made in prison. Big companies invest in building prisons get their products made for a fraction of the cost and high retail it to the consumers. With that said in order to keep the profits flowing they need a high rotation of people to work. In some cases they give young people long sentences so they can work for years and years for free. So of course they don't want to legalize prostitution drugs or anything else to keep the prison population at a max. Thanks for your response.[/QUOTE]For profit prisons are going to end up being one of the top ten most shameful things that America has ever done. There have already been judges caught because they were accepting bribes to send more people to prison.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/walterpavlo/2011/08/12/pennsylvania-judge-gets-life-sentence-for-prison-kickback-scheme/#5ba0c8344aef[/URL]

This motherfucker should ride the fucking needle. He was ruining kids lives to make money. I don't know what happened to the country I grew up in but it no longer exists.

[QUOTE=BackpageDude;3863823]Well I can't argue and I appreciate knowledge if you correct a wise man you will only add to his wisdom, correct a fool and you will only make him angry. We have to remember that the USA makes tons of money by keeping things illegal. A lot of people don't no that this country invest in prisons and allow the private sectors to invest in prisons. Prisons are modern day slavery bc a lot of companies have their products made in prisons. It use to be mainly license plates but now every thing you can think of is made in prison. Big companies invest in building prisons get their products made for a fraction of the cost and high retail it to the consumers. With that said in order to keep the profits flowing they need a high rotation of people to work. In some cases they give young people long sentences so they can work for years and years for free. So of course they don't want to legalize prostitution drugs or anything else to keep the prison population at a max. Thanks for your response.[/QUOTE]I don't think it's money that is the root of the problem with decriminalization. I think the root of the problem is religion and politics, and from there special interests were born along with lots of money being poured into the criminal justice system. That said, it's not just the investors and stakeholders of privately owned prisons that stand to benefit from keeping things the way they are, but also the LEOs that go after us and the SWs. I'm sure many of the LEOs out there are making house payments, car payments, paying for their kids to go to college, maybe saving up to buy a boat, etc.

According to Google, the average LEO pay is $61,000 and the average LEO Chief pay is $193,000 a year. Assuming a 40 hour work week, that's $31/ hr for a LEO, and a $100/ hr for a LEO Chief. So when a LEO sees us on Sugar Creek trying to get some action for 20 bucks or whatever, there is quite a financial incentive for them to go after us. They could look the other way and potentially put their job at risk, or quit and find another line of work, but I think more times than not, that money talks to them. I mean $30/ hr just to put someone that is harmless, in hang cuffs, over just wanting to have sex? How much easier could it get?

[QUOTE=Admin2;3863827]For profit prisons are going to end up being one of the top ten most shameful things that America has ever done. There have already been judges caught because they were accepting bribes to send more people to prison.

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/walterpavlo/2011/08/12/pennsylvania-judge-gets-life-sentence-for-prison-kickback-scheme/#5ba0c8344aef[/URL]

This motherfucker should ride the fucking needle. He was ruining kids lives to make money. I don't know what happened to the country I grew up in but it no longer exists.[/QUOTE]I agree. At times, it has left me thinking about renouncing my US Citizenship and going to go live in a country where the hobby is completely legal, and you can make good money living there without all the BS of America. I grew up under the impression that America is the greatest country in the world to live in, but as an adult, I've come to find that belief to be questionable at best. Germany doesn't sound like it would be too bad of a choice when I think about it. That or perhaps The Netherlands.

For some reason, I had thought Trump would be good for our hobby when he got elected, or at least better than Clinton, but it appears I was wrong to think that. Despite being the kind of guy that says, you just "Grab 'them by the pussy", and paying $10,000 to have sex with porn star like Stormy Daniels, he actually seems to be just as bad of a choice as Clinton as far as our hobby goes because he signed the SESTA and FOSTA legislation.

[QUOTE=BackpageDude;3876560]She OK pretty good service but she's not worth more than the normal rate if anything just like most of them her rates are to high. You guys keep telling chicks they worth more and driving the rates up to high. Even street chicks being told to charge more its crazy.[/QUOTE]No offense here, but if you can't afford $180 for a rock solid hour of good pussy then you may need a new hobby. There are "rough" women in Raleigh getting $200 H and they don't compare to Alyssa / Sasha, not even close. If you beat a woman down too far in her rates, then her service / appearance / hygiene goes to hell for everyone. If she is too high for you, move on and find another.

I agree. You get what you pay for. Can't have champagne taste with beer money

[QUOTE=NikkororCanon;3876981]No offense here, but if you can't afford $180 for a rock solid hour of good pussy then you may need a new hobby. There are "rough" women in Raleigh getting $200 H and they don't compare to Alyssa / Sasha, not even close. If you beat a woman down too far in her rates, then her service / appearance / hygiene goes to hell for everyone. If she is too high for you, move on and find another.[/QUOTE].

I agree with that comment Alyssa / Sasha is well worth the $$ for an hr off top service like she offers to us guys and the money is well worth the trip to see her and she really in in a class off her own. Never rushed or feeling that after you left the service was rush to get you out the door and next is on the way. When she move on to another level and you missed out. Well it will be to late to get a chance to see her.

[QUOTE=NikkororCanon;3876981]No offense here, but if you can't afford $180 for a rock solid hour of good pussy then you may need a new hobby. There are "rough" women in Raleigh getting $200 H and they don't compare to Alyssa / Sasha, not even close. If you beat a woman down too far in her rates, then her service / appearance / hygiene goes to hell for everyone. If she is too high for you, move on and find another.[/QUOTE]

I'm talking about you crying about rates. If you can't afford it stick to your streetwalkers that you like paying 20. Just sayin. That applies in all areas of life you can't expedt to get a keurig coffee maker out of a dollar store

[QUOTE=BackpageDude;3877215]Champagne just how are those drug addicts champagne?[/QUOTE].

Check your box

[QUOTE=Luvzazz;3877612]I'm talking about you crying about rates. If you can't afford it stick to your streetwalkers that you like paying 20. Just sayin. That applies in all areas of life you can't expedt to get a keurig coffee maker out of a dollar store

.[/QUOTE]

Okay. Some of you guys have a point.

STOP GASSING THESE WOMEN UP.

Telling them they need to charge more is a simp move.

Not good for the hobby. Everyone here isn't on the same financial level. And telling someone they need a new hobby bc you keep boosting their heads up is a DOUCHE MOVE. I can afford it. Everyone can't. Keep them in mind.

End of topic.

[QUOTE=BackpageDude;3907064]These rules will help you as a monger and save you some heart ache. 1. don't be getting into chicks personal affairs bc its time consuming and a waste of time. 2. don't be texting with chicks like they your GF because the more you show interest the more they will rely on you for favors. 3. don't be telling chicks you love them because all that mean to them is you a sucker they can use and they will because soon as you say I love you they will respond saying I love you too. Sucker. 4. If a chick text you or call you early in the morning wanting you to pay for her room bc she didn't make any money and got to get out and don't no what she gone do don't respond or hang up. Because its just game all she want to do is keep her money and get a free room. A lot of chicks run the I need a room scam and that's exactly what it is a scam. 4. don't pay chicks more than what they charge and telling them they worth more than what they charge because all that do is run up the rates and every monger don't make 6 figures or can't afford to pay those chicks really high rates. Remember 95% of those chicks are demon users even if you can't tell trust me they on something and giving them to much money only allows them to buy more stuff. And in some cases they be telling the truth about not having room money because they spent their money getting high and some dude high as she made it. Thats not your problem next time they will be more careful. And please don't write reviews telling us that a chick is worth more than her donation and we should give more that's crazy. I know all about these rules because I have did it all and I learned a lesson when I was green. Those chicks don't give a damn about us. They talk so much shyt about us saying we desperate losers and poor excuses for men and we pathetic can't get a woman unless we pay for it. It don't matter how you look its the same thing. And don't fall for the oh you look to good to be doing this I'm shocked a man hands on as you doing this. Its all game I heard it all and I told them a lot of bs. It don't matter how many times you saw a chick or how good you think you no her or how happy she act when you call its all game. The only man they care about is the little dude she with that she telling you don't exist. I'm just trying to help you not make the same mistakes I made. Happy hunting. Yeah I no my grammar jacked up LOL you should hear me talk country as hell lmao.[/QUOTE]Preach now! You are on point though. Never forget this is a game--and please don't bring shame to the game.

What HE said! Backpage is spot-on! Way to tell it, brotha!

[QUOTE=BackpageDude;3907064]These rules will help you as a monger and save you some heart ache. 1. don't be getting into chicks personal affairs bc its time consuming and a waste of time. 2. don't be texting with chicks like they your GF because the more you show interest the more they will rely on you for favors. 3. don't be telling chicks you love them because all that mean to them is you a sucker they can use and they will because soon as you say I love you they will respond saying I love you too. Sucker. 4. If a chick text you or call you early in the morning wanting you to pay for her room bc she didn't make any money and got to get out and don't no what she gone do don't respond or hang up. Because its just game all she want to do is keep her money and get a free room. A lot of chicks run the I need a room scam and that's exactly what it is a scam. 4. don't pay chicks more than what they charge and telling them they worth more than what they charge because all that do is run up the rates and every monger don't make 6 figures or can't afford to pay those chicks really high rates. Remember 95% of those chicks are demon users even if you can't tell trust me they on something and giving them to much money only allows them to buy more stuff. And in some cases they be telling the truth about not having room money because they spent their money getting high and some dude high as she made it. Thats not your problem next time they will be more careful. And please don't write reviews telling us that a chick is worth more than her donation and we should give more that's crazy. I know all about these rules because I have did it all and I learned a lesson when I was green. Those chicks don't give a damn about us. They talk so much shyt about us saying we desperate losers and poor excuses for men and we pathetic can't get a woman unless we pay for it. It don't matter how you look its the same thing. And don't fall for the oh you look to good to be doing this I'm shocked a man hands on as you doing this. Its all game I heard it all and I told them a lot of bs. It don't matter how many times you saw a chick or how good you think you no her or how happy she act when you call its all game. The only man they care about is the little dude she with that she telling you don't exist. I'm just trying to help you not make the same mistakes I made. Happy hunting. Yeah I no my grammar jacked up LOL you should hear me talk country as hell lmao.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NikkororCanon;3876981]No offense here, but if you can't afford $180 for a rock solid hour of good pussy then you may need a new hobby. There are "rough" women in Raleigh getting $200 H and they don't compare to Alyssa / Sasha, not even close. If you beat a woman down too far in her rates, then her service / appearance / hygiene goes to hell for everyone. If she is too high for you, move on and find another.[/QUOTE]You must be new to this hobby, because l am pretty much out of it now, and it is not because of price, but because of about 90% of those advertising are not worth the price of a street *****. I remember when there was actually providers of quality, they were what is now considered top tier $300 an hour hunnies, for the same $180.

I might add that those of the past also were ones you wanted to see, because they were actually friendly, and made it feel as if they were glad you were there. They had some poise, and manners. Something sadly lacking today.

[QUOTE=IH8HJsAz;3953457]You must be new to this hobby, because l am pretty much out of it now, and it is not because of price, but because of about 90% of those advertising are not worth the price of a street *****. I remember when there was actually providers of quality, they were what is now considered top tier $300 an hour hunnies, for the same $180.

I might add that those of the past also were ones you wanted to see, because they were actually friendly, and made it feel as if they were glad you were there. They had some poise, and manners. Something sadly lacking today.[/QUOTE]Alyssa / Sasha is good.

You're correct.

Most of these girls are just $20 street hoes who are online hustling and jacking up their rates like they're something special who advertise fake pics, trannys, and druggies but they are really trash.

NikkororCanon is correct and this is one reason service sucks in Clt. Now. I also agree with both post as far as service and this hobby 95% are not even worth the time of day. Low rates for the most part keep the low end providers around and the better one just move on. There still out there but just don't put up with the backpage crap or any other site as don't have the time to waste with all the hustle. Now I have found a lot just kept there regulars and went off all boards to post. All providers of her nature should set a price and stick to it and see if you come to see them regular they give you a discount. But be fair to the lady at the same time. If you put Alyssa / Sasha in the same box with the others you are wrong for doing this as she is in the 5% that is not like the rest. This guy has the right point of view and I back it up by fact. Just My 2 cents BTTB.

[QUOTE=NikkororCanon;3876981]No offense here, but if you can't afford $180 for a rock solid hour of good pussy then you may need a new hobby. There are "rough" women in Raleigh getting $200 H and they don't compare to Alyssa / Sasha, not even close. If you beat a woman down too far in her rates, then her service / appearance / hygiene goes to hell for everyone. If she is too high for you, move on and find another.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IH8HJsAz;3953457]You must be new to this hobby, because l am pretty much out of it now, and it is not because of price, but because of about 90% of those advertising are not worth the price of a street *****. I remember when there was actually providers of quality, they were what is now considered top tier $300 an hour hunnies, for the same $180.

I might add that those of the past also were ones you wanted to see, because they were actually friendly, and made it feel as if they were glad you were there. They had some poise, and manners. Something sadly lacking today.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BadTtBone;3954339]NikkororCanon is correct and this is one reason service sucks in Clt. Now. I also agree with both post as far as service and this hobby 95% are not even worth the time of day. Low rates for the most part keep the low end providers around and the better one just move on. There still out there but just don't put up with the backpage crap or any other site as don't have the time to waste with all the hustle. Now I have found a lot just kept there regulars and went off all boards to post. All providers of her nature should set a price and stick to it and see if you come to see them regular they give you a discount. But be fair to the lady at the same time. If you put Alyssa / Sasha in the same box with the others you are wrong for doing this as she is in the 5% that is not like the rest. This guy has the right point of view and I back it up by fact. Just My 2 cents BTTB.[/QUOTE]I agree, I won't even contact a woman if she is offering less then 200 an hour and that is cutting it very close. Anything below that for an hour is usually a sore having, skin itching, teeth missing, saggy boobs, pimp having hooker.

Ali and Jess contacts.

Only SM with street cred ask.

If you have No history on this forum don't ask.

They wany to be UTR.

AGT2.

Want to be mongers with absolutely no street cred have been blowin up my PM.

[QUOTE=AGoodThing2;4180267]Ali and Jess contacts.

Only SM with street cred ask.

If you have No history on this forum don't ask.

They wany to be UTR.

AGT2.

Want to be mongers with absolutely no street cred have been blowin up my PM.[/QUOTE]Funny how some of these guys ask questions here with zero, one or two posts (also asking for info), don't get a public response, so they DM you. *add to ignore list!* LMAO!

[QUOTE=KSeeker;4180915]Funny how some of these guys ask questions here with zero, one or two posts (also asking for info), don't get a public response, so they DM you. *add to ignore list!* LMAO![/QUOTE]I've had a number of them contact me over the past couple of weeks asking for contact info for some providers. I mostly ignore them. Some have said they've seen Ali or some other provider, but when I ask for details on these providers to prove they've seen them, they mostly do not respond or if they do, which is rare, they get it so wrong. There are reasons why we say "Senior Members only" and I'm not about to bend that for unworthy people.

[QUOTE=KSeeker;4180915]Funny how some of these guys ask questions here with zero, one or two posts (also asking for info), don't get a public response, so they DM you. *add to ignore list!* LMAO![/QUOTE]I am a senior member and have 30+ threads. A few if any on charlotte page. I am closed to Greensboro and Winston, so this is my pages of first choice. Does this mean that I may not receive info on utr"s because I don't post on the charlotte page? ? COME-ON-MAN.

[QUOTE=BroncoDriver;4181346]I am a senior member and have 30+ threads. A few if any on charlotte page. I am closed to Greensboro and Winston, so this is my pages of first choice. Does this mean that I may not receive info on utr"s because I don't post on the charlotte page? ? COME-ON-MAN.[/QUOTE]Hey Bronco Driver. I don't believe that is what he is talking about. He is talking about people (newbies) who have never posted anywhere and asking for details on providers. Having the "Senior Member" badge when asking for details are good enough for me and you have that.

[QUOTE=JohnKMetha;4181549]Hey Bronco Driver. I don't believe that is what he is talking about. He is talking about people (newbies) who have never posted anywhere and asking for details on providers. Having the "Senior Member" badge when asking for details are good enough for me and you have that.[/QUOTE]Correct. We're all getting flooded with DMs from guys who are new here, who apparently are not getting a response on the public forum. That's what I meant -- I'm getting DMs from "juniors" (like many are, I'm sure), so I just block them.

[QUOTE=AGoodThing2;4180267]Ali and Jess contacts.

Only SM with street cred ask.

If you have No history on this forum don't ask.

They wany to be UTR.

AGT2.

Want to be mongers with absolutely no street cred have been blowin up my PM.[/QUOTE]Your second post Mr Questions.

[QUOTE]VIP SPA. South Charlotte off from Westinghouse Blvd.

Anybody. Anybody. Looking for deep enough staff. To not have interruptions. Let us know.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KSeeker;4180915]Funny how some of these guys ask questions here with zero, one or two posts (also asking for info), don't get a public response, so they DM you. *add to ignore list!* LMAO![/QUOTE]This is your FIRST post.

[QUOTE]Anyone see her?

[URL]http://charlotte.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/8-holistic-energy-healing-and-holistic-body-work-private-980-309-7866-pineville/60542147[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnKMetha;4181318]I've had a number of them contact me over the past couple of weeks asking for contact info for some providers. I mostly ignore them. Some have said they've seen Ali or some other provider, but when I ask for details on these providers to prove they've seen them, they mostly do not respond or if they do, which is rare, they get it so wrong. There are reasons why we say "Senior Members only" and I'm not about to bend that for unworthy people.[/QUOTE]This is you:

[QUOTE]JC Therapeutic Spa.

Anyone been here? Good / bad?[/QUOTE]Everyone of you you "aren't the noobs asking questions fucked up guys, were fucking question factories when you first joined.

Fucking hypocrites.

A2.

That's amazing, thanks for that A2.

While these guys are assholes, there are other members that are nice and helpful. Instead of yelling at the newbies, explain why you won't share the info and encourage them to stick around and participate.

Admin2,

Let me get this straight, you want senior members to provide contact details to newbies for UTR providers? This is the issue people are talking about. Yes, we were all newbies once, and yes, I asked questions when I first started this hobby, but I didn't go around and bugged people for this contact info when people didn't give it up publicly. We are all concerned with Uncle LEO going after UTRs and considering the current political climate we are under, we should be mindful of that fact. Most UTRs trusted us with their contact info and we should not break that trust. That's all what we are saying here.

There is a nice way to blow someone off (not literally, I mean ignore them) and an arsehole way.

This cyber-age has produced 'keyboard courage' which makes the most timid guys the Incredible Hulk.

The biggest arses are the guys who score a few hits in the hobby over a few weeks / months and then think they are the experts on paid pu$$y and know it all. This hobby is always changing and evolving (ex: when CL and BP started and when they stopped; or when the www came into being in the 1st place basically allowing us to share info anonymously! Nobody knows everything and the punk you blow off may have been banging the 45 yo MILF three apartments down for 2 years and would have cut you in for some action until you were an A-hole to him because he asked a question.

Some observations:

There are some Monger Rules we used to point newbies instead of insulting them. Don't know if they specifically address UTRs or anything.

For me:

SW: a-ok to share info with anyone, they're strutting it on the street anyway WTHeck.

SPA gals: a-ok to share and save someone some trial and error in knowing who to ask for.

Escort: I'm not an escort person but my feeling is I would be a little more selective in who I referred to them because they are more selective in who they service (depending), especially if I told them to use me as a reference. No use in ruining your own rep because someone stank, cheated, or roughed up someone.

SB: stepping up the selectivity here. You don't want to cast pearls before swine. And a sweet SB needs and deserves some protection because in the truest sense the REAL ones aren't escorts, they aren't SW, they are amateurs seeking short term funding and assistance. Sure some general discussion of rip-offs, players, fakes, GPS, etc is fine but I'm not referring a number to you unless I personally know you or have traded info with you before.

UTRs: true UTRs are the most guarded of all as far as I'm concerned. I generally do not share my 'special stuff' with anyone other than my posse (and they know who they are); a UTR is someone I want to keep in a closed loop so to speak; doesn't mean I won't share, just maybe not with YOU unless we're ole mongering around buddies. But hey, you can ask anything you please and who know maybe something can work out. I won't insult you but probably will ignore the request.

I think its the internet public ridicule that the Admin 2 has issue with and I agree.

I am in my 60's have been at the hobby for 40 years, never been arrested, robbed, gotten an STD, been caught at the wrong place at the wrong time by a husband, bf or spouse, and probably have spent wayyyyyyy less having a fun time with some decent gals than 95% of you.

And I'm not condescending so I don't know what makes you feel obligated to do so.

I will say my biggest pet peeve is when someone asks for info on a report I've made, I share, they make a visit, then come on here and massacre my report. That's a good way to be sure you get no more referrals and maybe make it so none else gets any either.

Its to all of our advantages to groom the newbies because it just gives more eyes and ears out there.

Soapbox retired for the time being.