Sugar Bowl. ILM

I've received a few PM's looking for more information on what Sugaring is all about. Sugaring is for those looking for something different than what is typically found advertised on backpage or craigslist.

If you want to learn more about what it is to be a successful sugar daddy and have mutually beneficial relationships with sugar babies, I recommend strongly visiting the following links and reading as much as possible. This will get you started learning more and remove any time asking questions here and waiting for answers on basic how to's.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?10455-Sugar-Daddy-Sites[/URL]

In sugaring, 'success' does not come in the form of instant gratification such as could be reported while searching out companionship on BP or CL. Sugaring can be / is more about forming some type of connection between the SB and SD. The process of SD'ing usually includes messaging, emailing, sharing of pictures, determining compatibility, m&g, arrangement considerations, closing the deal and from there a continued 'relationship'. This evolution can take weeks or more complete, and then sometimes with no mutually beneficial arrangement to be had. Although as I have read during my introduction into this, when the right sugar baby comes along, it makes it all worth it. The footwork involved is considerable, especially if one is of the mind to place a value on their own time when all they are looking for is a BP experience in the first place. - Of course, as with with everything, there are exceptions to the rule. And the rules are each to their own between any two consenting adults anyway.

Considering those exceptions to the rules, I'd like to see this thread dedicated to SD's in the coastal and surrounding areas for the purpose of sharing any experiences both good and bad. In this realm of SD / SB'ing, I have discovered real sugar babies (SB's) looking for real sugar daddys (SD's), girls under the radar (UTR's) and your basic pros just using the SD / SB sites as another venue for advertising. If your truly looking for a SD / SB experience, you should be able to pick up on the UTR's and pros with little effort and just move on to other things. UTR's and pro's have most often proven to me to have the Golden P (Syndrome (GPS), although some of the more experienced SB's are not immune to this either. And some UTR's and pros are just as desperate as some you'd find on CL. For the most part though, it's college girls just looking for some help with finances from some mature guy with money some extra money willing to help out. The true SB's have no idea what a menu is or what would be placed on a menu. To ask about it would lead to confusion.

Read more into the other threads listed to see the problems that may surface with whichever SB you may encounter. Just like with anything else, use of caution when making arrangements is recommended. Surely there are concerns with those that have SO's, high profile jobs and SB's that may have demons or ulterior motives. Sharing messages prior to meeting, having an initial meet and greet in some public place to discuss specifics is good practice. This also proves advantageous to SD's when discussing what each other would like from the relationship.

Costs are generally more overall when sugaring v / s BP or CL. There is a far greater return though. There is more time spent overall getting to know each other doing whatever you both consider to be fun. If one does a BP or CL experience a couple + times a month, the cost is whatever it is and a couple or few hours have come and gone. Sugaring will cost more over the period of that same month, but one can expect a great deal more time together. The value is greater sugaring, if one is willing to invest into that for whatever reason it seems beneficial. Some tell stories of 6 SB's at a time, some just want one.

For me, I like it. I've had a m&g with 4, closed the deal with 2, 2 are very close to being closed and a considerable number of others are in the pipeline. One that is a closed deal is a current ATF (all time favorite) the other is a part time thing. Both of the close to being closed are potential (POT) ATF's. The current ATF simply has bad luck I think, but she's amazing to spend time with. The POT's have a better grip on life I think and are truly new at SB'ing. Scheduling times we are both free is the thing. - This is with less than 1 month in. It's a process. Considerable texting and messaging. Scheduling time with both parties being available is a chore. Then there's texting and talking after the deal is closed to keep things in motion and share minor niceties through the day or week.

I'd like to hear other's experiences locally. If there's a great catch looking for additional help beyond what one can afford on his own. Sharing is caring. LOL. If there's some bad SB's out there running game looking to take advantage that should be mentioned also. There's too many out there for that to be something that should be put up with. If there's known pros or whatever is good I guess.

Here's a couple of cuties working together looking to get down to business asap. Not my thing, but also I sensed a potential bit of trouble could be lurking around the corner.

Not sure on that 100%, but with so many others to choose from, for me no sense in risking it.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/34da61d6-f87a-4f69-8dc0-455ec40a051c[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/043e8ea0-2ee2-4025-819d-0cb4b5ee8f00[/URL]

A copy / paste from another thread. Helping to decipher code to see what you are getting into.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=1580125&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1580125.

Flags.

Nice idea FScott. My contribution.

Green Flags.

Looking to be discreet = I'm married / involved or live at home. High probability of FC fun.

I'll take care of your needs = I'll have sex with you.

Just looking with help for bills = I'm low maintenance. I don't care about pampering and shopping trips. Just give me enough to cover my phone and car payment regularly.

I'm open minded = I don't care that you're married or involved. I'll take your money regardless.

I'm looking for a reliable / steady sugar daddy = I've had a bunch of one night stands and flake / fake SDs, so I'm willing to compromise on the allowance if it's reliable.

Red Flags.

I'm currently not in school and I'm looking for work = I'm going to be totally dependent on you.

I'm not an escort = I won't sleep with you. I'm an arm-candy girl only.

Pro Flags.

What donation will you give me? = I'm such a PRO that I'm not eve going to bother using Sugar-lingo.

If I'm going to stay that long, I'm going to need more = I'm used to charging by the quarter hour.

Hi Hun / Hi Honey = I'm going to call you what I call my Johns.

Let's meet! (even though I haven't seen your picture) = I'm used to meeting complete strangers sight unseen.

Are you affiliated with law enforcement = I'm on parole, so I have to be careful.

A good read on cost versus value with SB's versus Pro's -.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=2186397&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2186397.

DAMN, you guys post a lot, 7021 posts. I've RTFF. Every damn post, beginning to end! And, I'm still conflicted about the "bowl" and despite reading TFF, beginning to end, can't decide what is the better approach.

So, you guys that have resolved all my conundra. A little specific advice will be appreciated. Post or PM, as you prefer.

A few specifics. I live in Alaska, several hours outside Anchorage. But we do have a community college. However, my preferences lean toward 30-somethings or 40-somethings rather than the 20's. I find the former more reliable and a bit less dramatic.

I've appreciated especially all the good advice from Revvo, HollywoodGuy, FScott, FredMoore, SubCmdr, & BigTigger (in no particular order of importance). Some of you are out of my league, while some of you seem to have characteristics similar to mine.

I'm married (with NO relationship with the "boss" - I know, why not divorce. But the "group therapy" on this forum addresses that. Good discussions, guys), and in a small town, that makes things a bit more dicey. I'm a sixth-decader with a labido that defies the years. Hence the time spent on research.

I've got four regular escorts, each of whom qualifies (equally, although for different reasons) as an ATF. They range in price from down-right unbelievably inexpensive (25 per) to barely affordable for me (per). On average, I'd say I spend about $$ per.

My escort experience is damn good (in regard to quality and GFE experience. What I seek), but it seems a SB would offer the likelihood / prospect of more monogamous (notice the qualifier, "more") relationship. Something I'd rather have. Also, if possible, I'd like to improve the cost / per situation. The tradeoffs seem to be: escort-relatively effortless; SB-a good deal of work.

1. COST. HERE'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS. From reading the forum, I can't determine whether the cost is less, about the same or more. I note that several of you have done the escort and the SB thing. What say you about relative cost? Seems to me, many of you get SBs at $per and that would improve the cost. If the norm is $$ per, then seems to me I break even and then it all comes down to effort and availability. Higher than $$per, then I think my cost is less with escorts.

2. I know there are two specific sites that seem to command the attention of bowl-participants. SA and SD4 M. Question TWO: I've not signed up on these as I'm unwilling to put up a credit-card number and will have to get a hobby-prepaid-card if it is worth the effort. I've tried to work the CL approach, and damn that is hard work for very little reward. So, the specifics on how to work the dedicated-SB cites are a little light, and unless it's more efficient than working (or trying to work) CL, I'm not sure it's worth my effort to go get a pre-paid card and try the commercial sites. Anyone got any specifics to pass along?

3. Final question: anyone have suggestions / experience to report on the small town opportunities? My town is 3000-6000 population (depending whether you count only my town or the adjacent one 10 miles away), and 2-3 hours from the major population center - 350,000 population.

All input will be received appreciatively and evaluated carefully.

RiverGriz.

1. The game of true SD / SB is a little bit "upscale" both in terms of cost expectation and quality of women from the general escort scene. The waters are muddied quite a bit by the fact the SB scene is flooded with UTR girls and sometimes escorts, so just distinguishing between them is going to be the challenge. In theory the dollar cost PER HOUR of *companionship* (not necessarily sex) would be lower with SB if you want a hot girl on your arm, because a true SB will spend time with you without watching the clock. The girls I meet usually can't be talked out of staying all night before they even have a clue how much I will gift them. I sometimes wish they would leave after the second round of fucking so I can get a good night's sleep but it's not always that easy. If I put any sort of dollar amount on my own time, SB dating would be catastrophically expensive. Someone else wrote about that in depth here. It requires A LOT of time to do it well, and if you figure that time is something that could be spent elsewhere EARNING money, it's a phenomenally expensive hobby. There are benefits to be had in the bowl that you typically don't get from escorts, but they come with the price of your time (and if married a much higher level of risk). The whole game is a risk-reward scenario. With escorts you don't worry about paternity suits, blackmail attempts, hiding your identity, etc. But sex with a low volume girl (SB, or even UTR girl in some cases) is almost going to better than someone who has turned her pussy into an assembly line process. I think I've said this before, but I think coming into the bowl with the purpose of cost savings is a really bad move. We should be SDs because we've invested the time to fully understand the difference between being an SD and an escort client, not because we want to save a buck. With all things considered, I'm going to say escorts are far more economical in the long run.

2. The SD sites can be just as hard work as CL depending on what you're looking for, but in general they will put you in touch with girls faster. The efficiency of the process to me makes the credit card payment worthwhile, but it also comes with tradeoffs such as you will have a certain number of girls that decide whether they will even respond to you based on what you write in your profile, and it creates an online identity that is somewhat recognizable (I. E. Girls on these sites work with their friends who are also SBs to trade information about SDs, including your profile name). When you operate strictly on CL you have a higher level of anonymity, can change your introduction verbiage easily and morph with each ad you post, and do not have an online profile. Almost everyone is familiar with CL, so you stand the chance to meet someone there who has not really made a mental commitment to something like signing up for an SD site. How the actual goods are on each type of site will depend greatly on your geographic area, you might get vastly different results in your area than what you read about on this thread.

3. I would think in a smaller town you've got a more limited playing field and also less opportunity for anonymity. Your post already indicates you're aware of the bigger problem here -- the smaller the world the harder it is to stay covert. I've written about this before, but if I were married and there was alimony or asset division on the table, there is no way in hell you would catch me with an SB in a small town. Even 350,000 seems like a small world to play in as a married guy, but since it's 2-3 hours away it might be plenty safe so I'd say that market is your best bet for SBs. Escorts would be a far safer bet in a small town, they just want their hourly rate and there is no expectation for a "relationship" (some SB's idea of a relationship includes financial AND emotional support, but all the true SBs have some sort of "relationship" in mind).

So basically based on what you've told me I'd stick with escorts close to home, and if you want to dabble in the bowl go for the more populated area 2-3 hrs away.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=1330891&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1330891 HYB (hot young baby) was coined earlier in the thread to represent these girls from 18 to 25 I also called them Nando 3's or the sportsters who are the college girls that you are naming HCB (hot college Babys) There can be a distinction between the two as I see it. But to recap my rating system:

Nando 1. Desperately poor high level of drama girls of all ages. These are the ones who call for more money because they are getting (fill in the tragedy here) tomorrow. Often these girls have kids, no baby daddy (BD) support. Or worse. A hostile or dead beat BD, and are frequently drug / alcohol addicted and can have police records. You all know them. I have met quite a few.

Nando 2. Escorts of all ages who are prospecting for biz on the sugar sites. I know quite a few of these also but it is important to identify them as escorts so your mind set can be right. You can I'd them 3 ways 1) they call you hun or babe before actually meeting you. 2) they charge by the hour and will be upfront with their rate, and 3) they will provide a room for your meet (since they already have one booked).

Nando 3-HYBs, HCBs, or a combo of several classifications. They are frequently looking for a sexual romp with NSA and some extra $$ to buy more clothes;.

4). MILFs. These are older girls (women) who are looking for support, and I have added another one;.

5) Sugar Baby. A true baby of all ages who wants a regular SD to pay them an allowance in return for fun times together. Often these girls are younger and looking for tuition help, car and house payments, mentoring for a career advancement, thrilling trips to exotic places. To name a few.

I like HCB. Because my SO, HYB, HCB love of my life is a Nando 3 and 5 combo. She is highly educated, very smart, absolutely no drama, and just a joy to be with. This is the category that I will forever play in. I hope my Baby will elect to keep me around but if things change I will be looking in that group for my next baby. For me the educated girls are so much more success driven and are usually not in desperate straits.

I'm copy / pasting as well as providing links. There is a ton of information available to learn.

I've thus far experienced one, a combination of 1, 3 and 5. She's proved to be a UTR all said and done. Initial m&g was at the FC. College classes to start a legitimate career. Wanted something longer term that could be depended on. Time together was remarkable. Right around the Nando 3 and 5 stage was how it started. Shortly thereafter has become a Nando 1. 'Tragedy' has struck a couple of times since, dramatic scenarios of woe is me, looking for the next sure thing. Won't be long, I expect to see demon-like problems for this one. The first impression has unfortunately diminished and I am not happy about it. I can't fool myself though. As good as it was, I'm just not looking for any problems of that nature to nurture, and am removing her desire to contact me very methodically. - An other, began as a true #5 and over the period of a few weeks has demonstrated consistently in such a way as to remain in this stage. Seeing and comparing to the Nando 1 among what I am seeing generally elsewhere (much UTR), I realize I may be fortunate to have stumbled upon this gem. Personally with what I am looking for, simplistic as possible, I hope this continues for a bit. - An other will just be a occasional thing when one so happens to be in the area of another at a mutually convenient time. - I've let my membership expire on SA and am just keeping some conversations in motion via text to see what happens. It is addicting I am not going to lie. I'm forcing myself to just play the hand I have for the time being. - Looking forward to a FC experience tomorrow night with my true SB.

Thanks for starting the thread and sharing your experience. I think it's a great idea and as I've moved slowly away from the escort world to the sugar world, I'm very interested in everyone's experience. I have a bit of SD experience myself and I will be sharing soon but I just wanted to say thanks first and that I'm excited to see where this thread goes.

Brannigan.

Anyone have any experience with OLOVESYOU or DREAMMAKER (not exact profile names)? They seem to be borderline pros. Or maybe just very aggressive.

Thanks,

[QUOTE=SkinJr;3587352]Anyone have any experience with OLOVESYOU or DREAMMAKER (not exact profile names)? They seem to be borderline pros. Or maybe just very aggressive.

Thanks,[/QUOTE]Feel free to PM me with full links to their profiles to see if I've chatted with them; tough to do a search on those terms you have there. For my part, I've met one SB here in ILM that was halfway decent, two others I met for coffee that I ran from due to obvious demons. Hit or miss for sure, but there seem to be a decent amount of college students on the site in the area looking for financial help. Should be some diamonds in the rough, patience is a virtue on SA.

[QUOTE=NCHobbyist69;3622754]Feel free to PM me with full links to their profiles to see if I've chatted with them; tough to do a search on those terms you have there. For my part, I've met one SB here in ILM that was halfway decent, two others I met for coffee that I ran from due to obvious demons. Hit or miss for sure, but there seem to be a decent amount of college students on the site in the area looking for financial help. Should be some diamonds in the rough, patience is a virtue on SA.[/QUOTE]It takes a little work on the front end, plus I insist on meeting them first before deciding to proceed, but I now have a stable of 8-9 great / cute women of varying ages and no demons. It's like fishing in a stocked barrel. Sorry but I have no way of providing details based on current SA handles. I tend to join for 30 days, make my connections, remove myself at the end of 30, and go with what I have until I need to open new doors. But, it IS worth the 30 day membership if you're willing to do the work upfront.

I've only been a member once about six months ago but I found a great regular girl there that I'm still seeing. 27 years old, slim, pretty and lots of fun. I only met a handful of girls at the time because I didn't really understand the site very well but I have no doubt if I joined again, I could find 5 or 6 girls no problem.

Some things to be aware of if you decide to join:

1. If you get a girl to message you, set up a meeting asap. Don't bother with a lot of chat or getting to know you stuff. I usually just send one message and ask what she likes to do for fun and then try to set up a coffee / drinks date. Don't set up a date too far in advance or she'll likely flake. A day in advance is perfect.

2. Insist on meeting before you make an arrangement or invite her to your place / a hotel. The UTR pros will try to go straight for a "date. " If she insists on that before a drink date, pass.

3. Try to avoid money talk before the meetup but if she insists, go ahead. If she's looking for four times what you're willing to spend on a date, there's no point in a meetup anyway.

4. A lot of girls have totally unrealistic expectations for an allowance. I've had girls ask for 600 a date. I even had one ask for 2000 for one date! One girl wanted a signed contract. Some girls ask for 200 or 300 to just go to dinner and be "arm candy. " LOL. Obviously you want to pass on those.

5. Avoid a monthly allowance. You'll get most bang for your buck doing it per date anyway. And if you pay a monthly and she ghosts, you're out that money. So if she insists on a monthly, pass. If you see a girl for six months and trust her and want to start giving her a monthly, that's probably okay but never for a new girl.

6. Nothing but drink dates for the first meetup. Important. I've broken this rule a couple times and got stuck for 2 hours with a girl I knew I wasn't interested in and was out 100 or so for my troubles. Go for drinks, spend as little as possible, and bail after the first drink if she's not for you.

7. Do not give her any money before you meet! Do I have to mention this? One girl asked me for 200 before we ever met so she could buy hair supplies (she was a stylist). Hard pass on any girl who asks for even 5 bucks up front.

8. Don't be afraid to walk away. I don't care how beautiful she is. If she asks for too much money, if she makes weird demands, if you get a weird vibe from her, walk away. There are plenty of fish.

9. Don't be a dick. Most of these girls aren't pros, they're college students and single mothers. No need to play hard ass with them. As long as you stick to the rules above you don't need to anyway. If your style is to be a little cocky, that's fine but be a gentleman and treat them right. You make the community better for all of us if you treat the girls right.

10. If you strike out a lot, don't worry about. Like I said, my first time through I didn't really understand the dynamics of the site and I screwed up a lot of potential hookups. Learn from your mistakes and move on. If you don't catch any fish, wait a few months and try again. New college students come to town every day and the SA stable constantly replenishes so be patient and learn and enjoy.

Happy hunting!

I've had my fair share of hits and misses on SA as well. Here are a couple of addendums:

I. Do not get involved with a girl who is in a relationship. It's pretty easy for those non-pros who give you their phone or email, just cross-reference on FB and you can usually figure it out. Worst case scenario you spend a lot of time and effort getting to know a girl, get the relationship started, and then poof she's gone due to her boyfriend, etc. Getting serious, that sort of thing.

II. Don't be shy about asking whether or not the girl is trans. To quote Seinfeld, "Not that there's anything wrong with that!" But if you are NOT interested in getting involved with a transexual, it's a quick and easy question along the lines of "hey, I've had this happen before, and I know people don't post real pics all the time due to personal reasons so I wanted to ask. ".

[QUOTE=Brannigan88;3635921]I've only been a member once about six months ago but I found a great regular girl there that I'm still seeing. 27 years old, slim, pretty and lots of fun. I only met a handful of girls at the time because I didn't really understand the site very well but I have no doubt if I joined again, I could find 5 or 6 girls no problem.

Some things to be aware of if you decide to join:

1. If you get a girl to message you, set up a meeting asap. Don't bother with a lot of chat or getting to know you stuff. I usually just send one message and ask what she likes to do for fun and then try to set up a coffee / drinks date. Don't set up a date too far in advance or she'll likely flake. A day in advance is perfect.

2. Insist on meeting before you make an arrangement or invite her to your place / a hotel. The UTR pros will try to go straight for a "date. " If she insists on that before a drink date, pass.

3. Try to avoid money talk before the meetup but if she insists, go ahead. If she's looking for four times what you're willing to spend on a date, there's no point in a meetup anyway.

4. A lot of girls have totally unrealistic expectations for an allowance. I've had girls ask for 600 a date. I even had one ask for 2000 for one date! One girl wanted a signed contract. Some girls ask for 200 or 300 to just go to dinner and be "arm candy. " LOL. Obviously you want to pass on those.

5. Avoid a monthly allowance. You'll get most bang for your buck doing it per date anyway. And if you pay a monthly and she ghosts, you're out that money. So if she insists on a monthly, pass. If you see a girl for six months and trust her and want to start giving her a monthly, that's probably okay but never for a new girl.

6. Nothing but drink dates for the first meetup. Important. I've broken this rule a couple times and got stuck for 2 hours with a girl I knew I wasn't interested in and was out 100 or so for my troubles. Go for drinks, spend as little as possible, and bail after the first drink if she's not for you.

7. Do not give her any money before you meet! Do I have to mention this? One girl asked me for 200 before we ever met so she could buy hair supplies (she was a stylist). Hard pass on any girl who asks for even 5 bucks up front.

8. Don't be afraid to walk away. I don't care how beautiful she is. If she asks for too much money, if she makes weird demands, if you get a weird vibe from her, walk away. There are plenty of fish.

9. Don't be a dick. Most of these girls aren't pros, they're college students and single mothers. No need to play hard ass with them. As long as you stick to the rules above you don't need to anyway. If your style is to be a little cocky, that's fine but be a gentleman and treat them right. You make the community better for all of us if you treat the girls right.

10. If you strike out a lot, don't worry about. Like I said, my first time through I didn't really understand the dynamics of the site and I screwed up a lot of potential hookups. Learn from your mistakes and move on. If you don't catch any fish, wait a few months and try again. New college students come to town every day and the SA stable constantly replenishes so be patient and learn and enjoy.

Happy hunting![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NCHobbyist69;3637081]I've had my fair share of hits and misses on SA as well. Here are a couple of addendums:

I. Do not get involved with a girl who is in a relationship. It's pretty easy for those non-pros who give you their phone or email, just cross-reference on FB and you can usually figure it out. Worst case scenario you spend a lot of time and effort getting to know a girl, get the relationship started, and then poof she's gone due to her boyfriend, etc. Getting serious, that sort of thing.

II. Don't be shy about asking whether or not the girl is trans. To quote Seinfeld, "Not that there's anything wrong with that!" But if you are NOT interested in getting involved with a transexual, it's a quick and easy question along the lines of "hey, I've had this happen before, and I know people don't post real pics all the time due to personal reasons so I wanted to ask. ".[/QUOTE]The trans question would seem ify to me. Most usually tell in profile or soon after messaging that they are trans. I personally would not contact anyone who I had a question about being woman. If your talking to a girl and you ask that question then that's going to hurt her feelings and its not going to get any better LOL. If you do a m / g and girl is not what pics featured then just walk.

[QUOTE=Brannigan88;3635921]I've only been a member once about six months ago but I found a great regular girl there that I'm still seeing. 27 years old, slim, pretty and lots of fun. I only met a handful of girls at the time because I didn't really understand the site very well but I have no doubt if I joined again, I could find 5 or 6 girls no problem.

Some things to be aware of if you decide to join:

1. If you get a girl to message you, set up a meeting asap. Don't bother with a lot of chat or getting to know you stuff. I usually just send one message and ask what she likes to do for fun and then try to set up a coffee / drinks date. Don't set up a date too far in advance or she'll likely flake. A day in advance is perfect.

2. Insist on meeting before you make an arrangement or invite her to your place / a hotel. The UTR pros will try to go straight for a "date. " If she insists on that before a drink date, pass.

3. Try to avoid money talk before the meetup but if she insists, go ahead. If she's looking for four times what you're willing to spend on a date, there's no point in a meetup anyway.

4. A lot of girls have totally unrealistic expectations for an allowance. I've had girls ask for 600 a date. I even had one ask for 2000 for one date! One girl wanted a signed contract. Some girls ask for 200 or 300 to just go to dinner and be "arm candy. " LOL. Obviously you want to pass on those.

5. Avoid a monthly allowance. You'll get most bang for your buck doing it per date anyway. And if you pay a monthly and she ghosts, you're out that money. So if she insists on a monthly, pass. If you see a girl for six months and trust her and want to start giving her a monthly, that's probably okay but never for a new girl.

6. Nothing but drink dates for the first meetup. Important. I've broken this rule a couple times and got stuck for 2 hours with a girl I knew I wasn't interested in and was out 100 or so for my troubles. Go for drinks, spend as little as possible, and bail after the first drink if she's not for you.

7. Do not give her any money before you meet! Do I have to mention this? One girl asked me for 200 before we ever met so she could buy hair supplies (she was a stylist). Hard pass on any girl who asks for even 5 bucks up front.

8. Don't be afraid to walk away. I don't care how beautiful she is. If she asks for too much money, if she makes weird demands, if you get a weird vibe from her, walk away. There are plenty of fish.

9. Don't be a dick. Most of these girls aren't pros, they're college students and single mothers. No need to play hard ass with them. As long as you stick to the rules above you don't need to anyway. If your style is to be a little cocky, that's fine but be a gentleman and treat them right. You make the community better for all of us if you treat the girls right.

10. If you strike out a lot, don't worry about. Like I said, my first time through I didn't really understand the dynamics of the site and I screwed up a lot of potential hookups. Learn from your mistakes and move on. If you don't catch any fish, wait a few months and try again. New college students come to town every day and the SA stable constantly replenishes so be patient and learn and enjoy.

Happy hunting![/QUOTE]Couldn't have articulated it better. Do exactly these things listed from Brannigan and your SA life will be great.

Young lady with nickname "danilovelybug" in wilmington was chatting with me about getting together, was asking some odd questions and then requested a photo. I sent her one -- not of me though -- and she immediately started threatening to tell my wife and employer what I was doing, etc. Just confirmed my standard operating procedure of not sending photos under any circumstances.

[QUOTE=NCHobbyist69;3642736]Young lady with nickname "danilovelybug" in wilmington was chatting with me about getting together, was asking some odd questions and then requested a photo. I sent her one -- not of me though -- and she immediately started threatening to tell my wife and employer what I was doing, etc. Just confirmed my standard operating procedure of not sending photos under any circumstances.[/QUOTE]Post a link to her profile. I've been in the bowl since 2010 and have never had this happen. If she has a nickname that mongers recognize then she probably a hooker and anytime you deal with them on sa or the street that crap can happen. Guys have to make better choices and selections on sa instead of playing like its BP or the street. Just my thoughts.

I've been saying it for a while now, boys. Such a bad idea to ever send a pic of yourself. Especially to the backpage girls.

[QUOTE=NCHobbyist69;3642736]Young lady with nickname "danilovelybug" in wilmington was chatting with me about getting together, was asking some odd questions and then requested a photo. I sent her one -- not of me though -- and she immediately started threatening to tell my wife and employer what I was doing, etc. Just confirmed my standard operating procedure of not sending photos under any circumstances.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;3642848]Post a link to her profile. I've been in the bowl since 2010 and have never had this happen. If she has a nickname that mongers recognize then she probably a hooker and anytime you deal with them on sa or the street that crap can happen. Guys have to make better choices and selections on sa instead of playing like its BP or the street. Just my thoughts.[/QUOTE]"Whether it's BP or the street".

The quote of the year for anyone involved in any aspect of "this" world. People become far to complacent sitting online typing away.

I do zero social media and go so far as to rail on anyone in my life who puts a picture of me on their Screw-up-your-book-quickly page. When I look at photos of potentials I look more at what's in the background in those pics. You can learn a lot. A very smart and crusty SGT Major stood in front of the battalion one day telling everyone how all he needs to do to find out what kind of person they are is just walk through the parking lot and look into their POVs.

SA has been good to me. I am liking what it has provided even with all of the footwork involved up front to get some serious connections going. It's proven to be a very good value.

I just started right about the time I started this thread. A quick recap looking back has reminded me, anything I anticipated was going to be a good or great situation turned out to be not so good. The baby I mentioned going from Nando 5 and 3 to a 1 with possible demons sent me a text recently asking for a go fund me donation for her depression and treatment. Electronic transfer (traceable transactions) are a big no no for me. No chance I would have done such a thing anyway. No matter if her head game is best I have ever had or not. - The babies I had low expectations with going in have ended up being keepers. Their initial hesitancy as a result of dealing with so many flakes themselves led to my initial concerns, but once things have gotten started they've appreciated the dependability as much as me. One I see regularly and the others are for when I want to keep myself in check and hang out with some 'strange'. Allowances range anywhere from $ to $$ and time spent is 2 hrs to overnight, depending on life generally and how much fun we're having together. (more on this later).

There's definitely some common sense rules to follow and I think each of us has their own specific set of circumstances which will narrow down risks we are each willing to take. I am not married, have no need to hide this from a job or family otherwise and personally I have zero shame in this lifestyle and would not consider any criticism from any outside source to be a burden. I would even go so far as to say I would welcome the criticism as an opportunity to speak about it in a positive light. For me this is a preferential lifestyle compared to what society considers normal *but I also see through observations overall in today's world, sugaring itself is actually becoming normalized in a big way. (more on this later) - I can't imagine any genuine sugar baby is going to be willing to meet anyone without first seeing a couple of photos. Using a little caution beforehand is good business, but if there is going to be an opportunity at a SB / SD relationship there is going to have to be a bit of trust and someone is going to have to put themselves in a vulnerable position as things progress. Any SB's I have interacted with have already put themselves out via photographs on a live site and provided some form of contact information. SB's want to be able to enjoy the time with their SD's as well. It's not unreasonable for them to be able to look at a photo of us to see if there can be any attraction on their end. Still, due diligence is good business for us as SD's as much as it is necessary to keep our risk at a minimum depending on our situation. Using the flag system in POST #3 of this thread along with some common sense, it's really pretty easy to spot a Pro or UTR versus a true SB.

The value of sugaring is practically incomparable to escorting. I need time to get warmed up, catch up a bit on the week's events, eat, drink, relax and get very comfortable up to a point where we're taking breaks in between sessions just to catch our breath. The familiarity acquired in taking our time with things, allowing for a matured experience providing the best of times for both of us. If it's not like that I'm not interested personally. I just don't see that possibility with escorts.

- Over the period of a month there is some allowance given. Then the second month and so on. - Do a little figuring on this. - SB's are not escorts per say. But there is still a giving and taking which occurs. Without one and something to give there will be no taker to be found. As good as the relationship may be, SD's aren't coming off with $ for nothing and vice versa which is only fair to all. Throughout the period of a month with just one SB at $ per with 10+ dates, that's 1 k+ per month. $$ per date is 2 k+ per month. Add additional SB's to the stable, increase the number of visits or allowance given. I look at things from an investment perspective it's just my nature. That's helpful retirement funds, a mortgage on a second investment property, maybe a ferrari if that's your thing. The question does come to mind and I would never monetize them face to face because it would make for a bad feel, *but is the experience enriching me so much that I would choose this over an oceanfront property I could use to make me even more money all said and done? Clearly that answer is no unless the costs can be maintained to a point which is beneficial to both parties. I explain this concept to SB's and it's met with understanding and this may contribute to the quality of time I am receiving. -- Thinking in terms of a SB / SD relationship, providing an allowance which covers *a car note, insurance, food, shelter and some fun money every month imo should allow for at a minimum a couple of extended visits per week. Thinking in terms of escorting, SB's would be far better working as escorts considering investment of time and reward. - With that in mind, if the SB's are reluctant to see this point of view of the significant investment we SD's are offering, I have invited them to the idea of just going the escort route if that is what they are looking for because it is what they are being. Which is why it is so imperative that the SB truly be as interested in the SD as the SD is in the SB. Without that mutual interest, it's more business minded and imo practically the same as escorting. SD'ing for me is more about a genuine interest in the SB's well being, schooling, fun and having some comforts in life I can help provide. In return there needs to be that understanding by the SB of the significant investment we make without being greedy. Any concerns of time restraints or non-genuine enjoyment of time together removes my interest altogether because she is then not demonstrating a true concern for me and my well being as I am for hers. Any SB asking for $ for a m&g or more than $$ per visit overall with 8/10+ visits per month is exceeding any logical value which could be provided when considering how that $ could be used elsewhere. If money is the SB's only concern, again, I invite them to BP where they can really get what they are looking for. When it is genuine though, I find myself looking for ways to do something extra when it makes sense, but not because she is demanding it.

I realize there are differences among us as well. I'm middle aged and in excellent shape, good looking and have no problems associating with women and dating otherwise. If that were the only concern then maybe they should be paying me? As thirsty as females are nowadays and as much as they like a rough pounding I've contemplated it just for fun. I want to be fair to everyone though and I truly prefer this over dating locals. I've had a couple guys PM saying they are not having such an easy time, they are older or not so good looking and not getting any responses. First of all, I still don't think there is any logical value in allowing more $ to be expended than what is being explained here. Second, there is more to it than just $. Getting things started was for me ridiculous. Some of these SB's are just ignorant of value of other people's time. I was literally about to hang up my hat and wash my hands of it all after getting flaked out for not the first time. No sooner had I realized that I was dealing with another flake, a different SB in that same minute texted and we set up something for very shortly thereafter. It's okay to get rejected then keep trying until something suitable comes along. And new ones came along practically every day while I was signed up on SA. Filter the search settings to show newest members first with your parameters otherwise. Responses are usually faster and best with new SB's. A simple hello with an offer to text or email. I use a throwaway phone and provide contact info instantly. I've received messages still today with my account having been closed I'm sure nearly 2 months ago. There are plenty of fish so none of them should be able to take advantage. Just say no to the GPS girls and the arm candy.

I've found SA to be very gratifying. One hint: if you are chatting with a SB on SA's messaging platform and float the idea of either meeting or texting / emailing to continue talking, and the girl deflects and keeps chatting on SA, gently nudge her again. If she ignores it or continues to chat on SA, she may be a paid freelancer working for SA to keep guys on there and renewing their membership. Don't' believe me? That's fine, BUT I actually know for a fact taht is what happens. If the girl is serious, she'll take your invite to chat off of SA. If not, well, I guess enjoy chatting with no hope of meeting if that's your thing.

[QUOTE=ImThaGuy;3645117]SA has been good to me. I am liking what it has provided even with all of the footwork involved up front to get some serious connections going. It's proven to be a very good value.

I just started right about the time I started this thread. A quick recap looking back has reminded me, anything I anticipated was going to be a good or great situation turned out to be not so good. The baby I mentioned going from Nando 5 and 3 to a 1 with possible demons sent me a text recently asking for a go fund me donation for her depression and treatment. Electronic transfer (traceable transactions) are a big no no for me. No chance I would have done such a thing anyway. No matter if her head game is best I have ever had or not. - The babies I had low expectations with going in have ended up being keepers. Their initial hesitancy as a result of dealing with so many flakes themselves led to my initial concerns, but once things have gotten started they've appreciated the dependability as much as me. One I see regularly and the others are for when I want to keep myself in check and hang out with some 'strange'. Allowances range anywhere from $ to $$ and time spent is 2 hrs to overnight, depending on life generally and how much fun we're having together. (more on this later).

There's definitely some common sense rules to follow and I think each of us has their own specific set of circumstances which will narrow down risks we are each willing to take. I am not married, have no need to hide this from a job or family otherwise and personally I have zero shame in this lifestyle and would not consider any criticism from any outside source to be a burden. I would even go so far as to say I would welcome the criticism as an opportunity to speak about it in a positive light. For me this is a preferential lifestyle compared to what society considers normal *but I also see through observations overall in today's world, sugaring itself is actually becoming normalized in a big way. (more on this later) - I can't imagine any genuine sugar baby is going to be willing to meet anyone without first seeing a couple of photos. Using a little caution beforehand is good business, but if there is going to be an opportunity at a SB / SD relationship there is going to have to be a bit of trust and someone is going to have to put themselves in a vulnerable position as things progress. Any SB's I have interacted with have already put themselves out via photographs on a live site and provided some form of contact information. SB's want to be able to enjoy the time with their SD's as well. It's not unreasonable for them to be able to look at a photo of us to see if there can be any attraction on their end. Still, due diligence is good business for us as SD's as much as it is necessary to keep our risk at a minimum depending on our situation. Using the flag system in POST #3 of this thread along with some common sense, it's really pretty easy to spot a Pro or UTR versus a true SB.

The value of sugaring is practically incomparable to escorting. I need time to get warmed up, catch up a bit on the week's events, eat, drink, relax and get very comfortable up to a point where we're taking breaks in between sessions just to catch our breath. The familiarity acquired in taking our time with things, allowing for a matured experience providing the best of times for both of us. If it's not like that I'm not interested personally. I just don't see that possibility with escorts.

- Over the period of a month there is some allowance given. Then the second month and so on. - Do a little figuring on this. - SB's are not escorts per say. But there is still a giving and taking which occurs. Without one and something to give there will be no taker to be found. As good as the relationship may be, SD's aren't coming off with $ for nothing and vice versa which is only fair to all. Throughout the period of a month with just one SB at $ per with 10+ dates, that's 1 k+ per month. $$ per date is 2 k+ per month. Add additional SB's to the stable, increase the number of visits or allowance given. I look at things from an investment perspective it's just my nature. That's helpful retirement funds, a mortgage on a second investment property, maybe a ferrari if that's your thing. The question does come to mind and I would never monetize them face to face because it would make for a bad feel, *but is the experience enriching me so much that I would choose this over an oceanfront property I could use to make me even more money all said and done? Clearly that answer is no unless the costs can be maintained to a point which is beneficial to both parties. I explain this concept to SB's and it's met with understanding and this may contribute to the quality of time I am receiving. -- Thinking in terms of a SB / SD relationship, providing an allowance which covers *a car note, insurance, food, shelter and some fun money every month imo should allow for at a minimum a couple of extended visits per week. Thinking in terms of escorting, SB's would be far better working as escorts considering investment of time and reward. - With that in mind, if the SB's are reluctant to see this point of view of the significant investment we SD's are offering, I have invited them to the idea of just going the escort route if that is what they are looking for because it is what they are being. Which is why it is so imperative that the SB truly be as interested in the SD as the SD is in the SB. Without that mutual interest, it's more business minded and imo practically the same as escorting. SD'ing for me is more about a genuine interest in the SB's well being, schooling, fun and having some comforts in life I can help provide. In return there needs to be that understanding by the SB of the significant investment we make without being greedy. Any concerns of time restraints or non-genuine enjoyment of time together removes my interest altogether because she is then not demonstrating a true concern for me and my well being as I am for hers. Any SB asking for $ for a m&g or more than $$ per visit overall with 8/10+ visits per month is exceeding any logical value which could be provided when considering how that $ could be used elsewhere. If money is the SB's only concern, again, I invite them to BP where they can really get what they are looking for. When it is genuine though, I find myself looking for ways to do something extra when it makes sense, but not because she is demanding it.

I realize there are differences among us as well. I'm middle aged and in excellent shape, good looking and have no problems associating with women and dating otherwise. If that were the only concern then maybe they should be paying me? As thirsty as females are nowadays and as much as they like a rough pounding I've contemplated it just for fun. I want to be fair to everyone though and I truly prefer this over dating locals. I've had a couple guys PM saying they are not having such an easy time, they are older or not so good looking and not getting any responses. First of all, I still don't think there is any logical value in allowing more $ to be expended than what is being explained here. Second, there is more to it than just $. Getting things started was for me ridiculous. Some of these SB's are just ignorant of value of other people's time. I was literally about to hang up my hat and wash my hands of it all after getting flaked out for not the first time. No sooner had I realized that I was dealing with another flake, a different SB in that same minute texted and we set up something for very shortly thereafter. It's okay to get rejected then keep trying until something suitable comes along. And new ones came along practically every day while I was signed up on SA. Filter the search settings to show newest members first with your parameters otherwise. Responses are usually faster and best with new SB's. A simple hello with an offer to text or email. I use a throwaway phone and provide contact info instantly. I've received messages still today with my account having been closed I'm sure nearly 2 months ago. There are plenty of fish so none of them should be able to take advantage. Just say no to the GPS girls and the arm candy.[/QUOTE]

Take it offline asap is what I do. A throwaway phone from from Walmart is is cheap and makes providing some contact info far less risky overall. - If she doesn't go to texting relatively quick something is probably up.

Overall though as far as I can tell, there are relatively few fakes on SA.

This reminded me of one I should probably restart a conversation with. An exception to this rule. It took a bit of communicating online prior to us beginning texting. This one was truly brand new at sugaring (I could just tell by the content of her communications. See flags post #3) and to me that made it worth the extra effort. I found myself caught up with others before I was able to close the deal with this one, but I do still have her contact info we had a good rapport prior to my 'ghosting' her via text.

A new sugar baby to me is the best. There is the most opportunity there for some sincere moments with a more 'innocent' baby that is likely looking for little more than a guy to spoil her a bit and show her some things in the bedroom she's only heard or fantasized about otherwise. This is the kind of sugar baby that can truly appreciate a sugar daddy's givings and would demonstrate this appreciation in various different ways.

Confidence is a big deal. Just be blunt as possible without crossing the line of being self incriminating when communicating via written word. There will be plenty of time to get to know each other and small talk when working out in the FC. Keep chatter to a minimum until meeting, cast a wide net and don't fear rejection. Definitely no shortage of options.

[QUOTE=NCHobbyist69;3646350]I've found SA to be very gratifying. One hint: if you are chatting with a SB on SA's messaging platform and float the idea of either meeting or texting / emailing to continue talking, and the girl deflects and keeps chatting on SA, gently nudge her again. If she ignores it or continues to chat on SA, she may be a paid freelancer working for SA to keep guys on there and renewing their membership. Don't' believe me? That's fine, BUT I actually know for a fact taht is what happens. If the girl is serious, she'll take your invite to chat off of SA. If not, well, I guess enjoy chatting with no hope of meeting if that's your thing.[/QUOTE]

I signed up here and within a day had about a dozen messages. I did not purchase the membership to read all of these messages yet. Are the girls here legit or just bots selling memberships??

Indicative of either UTR or Pro familiar with the way it works. They smell fresh meat.

Not saying it couldn't turn into a real SD/SB arrangement.

If you signed up on SA, they're likely real though, just real pros or UTR's. Maybe that's what you're looking for. SD4M is full of spam in my experience.

Throwaway phone. Reply briefly, offer the phone number and to go to text asap. Get to the point, but don't talk in a way that would be incriminating to you or them. There's a silent understanding. Read about flags in post #3 of this thread.

Arrange a meet. Be prepared for a possible m&g to be in the FC. It's possible is all. Likely even.

Do not pay to m&g for coffee.

It's a process getting from where you are to closing the deal. Not sure how much you have read about negotiations etc. If not much, do yourself a favor and read a bit before you jump in.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ&p=2480827&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2480827. ( Post #9 )

Good times ahead.

[QUOTE=Torco74;3648677]I signed up here and within a day had about a dozen messages. I did not purchase the membership to read all of these messages yet. Are the girls here legit or just bots selling memberships??[/QUOTE]

My ATF hit me with the info, but I'm pretty sure I avoided it fortunately. She came up with only a bacterial infection and I've shown no signs. She had known for days and wasn't going to tell me either except that we had a meet scheduled in very short time. It's clinic time for me and no FC action until I learn of my health status.

Present day college females have had more sexual experiences than likely any other category and are more eager to please than any other time in history. With the multitude of influences through mobile devices, things such as appearance and sexual performance have become a top item in giving them feelings of self worth whether they have 'daddy issues' or not. The eagerness to please and the freedom to act and do many things is indeed well enough a blessing, but it also deserves consideration when you want to remain STD free.

Bringing up the topic of exchanging recent STD test results during a M&G or even prior to that is the best way to let it be know this is something that is expected to be on the table. Clean tests are a requirement for playing this game, for me and any other anyway. If I lose that clean bill of health I am out of the game. So it's non debatable. STD test or no deal. POTs will appreciate it all the same and it also gives some surety in a non-incriminating fashion as to what is hoped for as things progress. I've been surprised to get responses that they never have had it requested before, but they like the idea and appreciate the caution. With the youth and eagerness to please college women possess, there is also a lack of discipline that likely includes a history of them having more than a little unprotected sex.

STD Screening Tests should be performed on some sort of scheduled basis thereafter as well because things are going on otherwise on other occasions. It's not worth it. Even with having the conversation to include a mutual respect requesting for safety purposes to only be with others that have been tested and using protection, they'll smile and say sure but in all honesty can we really expect POT's to be that respectful to us considering the lack of self respect involved in doing this in the first place. - I truly feel lucky to not have any symptoms of her thing, but I am still worried a bit and any other arrangements have been put on halt in the meantime.

And I mean that literally and figuratively. I always wonder with the girls who are into getting together right away wheather or not they are clean. The way I see it, anyone on SA should be treated the same as anyone on BP. Just because SA seems more upscale doesn't mean diddly squat; be careful, safety first, and like your'e saying don't be shy about talking turkey before getting in the sack. And obviously, if any of us run into anyone on SA or anywhere else for that matter who happen to have an STD, it's kind of our duty to call them out, either publicly or invite members to PM for details on who to avoid. Thanks for sharing your info, best of luck to you.

[QUOTE=ImThaGuy;3653503]My ATF hit me with the info, but I'm pretty sure I avoided it fortunately. She came up with only a bacterial infection and I've shown no signs. She had known for days and wasn't going to tell me either except that we had a meet scheduled in very short time. It's clinic time for me and no FC action until I learn of my health status.

Present day college females have had more sexual experiences than likely any other category and are more eager to please than any other time in history. With the multitude of influences through mobile devices, things such as appearance and sexual performance have become a top item in giving them feelings of self worth whether they have 'daddy issues' or not. The eagerness to please and the freedom to act and do many things is indeed well enough a blessing, but it also deserves consideration when you want to remain STD free.

Bringing up the topic of exchanging recent STD test results during a M&G or even prior to that is the best way to let it be know this is something that is expected to be on the table. Clean tests are a requirement for playing this game, for me and any other anyway. If I lose that clean bill of health I am out of the game. So it's non debatable. STD test or no deal. POTs will appreciate it all the same and it also gives some surety in a non-incriminating fashion as to what is hoped for as things progress. I've been surprised to get responses that they never have had it requested before, but they like the idea and appreciate the caution. With the youth and eagerness to please college women possess, there is also a lack of discipline that likely includes a history of them having more than a little unprotected sex.

STD Screening Tests should be performed on some sort of scheduled basis thereafter as well because things are going on otherwise on other occasions. It's not worth it. Even with having the conversation to include a mutual respect requesting for safety purposes to only be with others that have been tested and using protection, they'll smile and say sure but in all honesty can we really expect POT's to be that respectful to us considering the lack of self respect involved in doing this in the first place. - I truly feel lucky to not have any symptoms of her thing, but I am still worried a bit and any other arrangements have been put on halt in the meantime.[/QUOTE]

I just get a chuckle out of some of the ladies who argue over financials and in doing so end up with nothing. I mean, miniscule amounts of money, it's ridiculous. Anyways, stand strong my brothers.

[QUOTE=NCHobbyist69;3658638]I just get a chuckle out of some of the ladies who argue over financials and in doing so end up with nothing. I mean, miniscule amounts of money, it's ridiculous. Anyways, stand strong my brothers.[/QUOTE]Is it worth the money to sign up for the entertainment? Have you found real girls here?

[QUOTE=Torco74;3660360]Is it worth the money to sign up for the entertainment? Have you found real girls here?[/QUOTE]Once you sign up you should start receiving messages within a couple of hours. The real ones will "hunt" you down and send a message. If there is an interest, go immediately to phone text. I dreamt I scored about 6 times in less then 2 weeks, and I was being very particular on what I wanted. As a side note, stay away from the "brides to be" from other countries. LOL!

[QUOTE=NetFem;3661337]Once you sign up you should start receiving messages within a couple of hours. The real ones will "hunt" you down and send a message. If there is an interest, go immediately to phone text. I dreamt I scored about 6 times in less then 2 weeks, and I was being very particular on what I wanted. As a side note, stay away from the "brides to be" from other countries. LOL![/QUOTE]I am surprised that with a quick check of their cell number on old facebook, their real life appears. These 19 year olds are going to be fun to play with!

[QUOTE=NetFem;3661337]Once you sign up you should start receiving messages within a couple of hours. The real ones will "hunt" you down and send a message. If there is an interest, go immediately to phone text. I dreamt I scored about 6 times in less then 2 weeks, and I was being very particular on what I wanted. As a side note, stay away from the "brides to be" from other countries. LOL![/QUOTE]It is taking me 2-3 weeks to get a 19 year old ready. How did you do 6 in 2 weeks. You obviously skip dinner and drinks? Or was 2 weeks after you spent 4 weeks of prep work.

Can I ask the average price you paid for the 6 times in that dream of yours?

[QUOTE=Henry777;3687020]It is taking me 2-3 weeks to get a 19 year old ready. How did you do 6 in 2 weeks. You obviously skip dinner and drinks? Or was 2 weeks after you spent 4 weeks of prep work.

Can I ask the average price you paid for the 6 times in that dream of yours?[/QUOTE]Within my first week after paying for the membership I had 2 dreams. Probably could have had more but you must be able to drop everything and meet when they want to. Most are servers so they have unusual hours.

So they say at the clinic, no news is good news. I got tested for everything including the herp (apparently they can do that now via bloodwork) a while before Christmas and never heard back from them. Life's been busy but I got around to getting the paperwork on hand now and the machine is still in good working order. Been inactive for a bit so it's good to have this peace of mind for later.

[QUOTE=Henry777;3687020]It is taking me 2-3 weeks to get a 19 year old ready. How did you do 6 in 2 weeks. You obviously skip dinner and drinks? Or was 2 weeks after you spent 4 weeks of prep work.

Can I ask the average price you paid for the 6 times in that dream of yours?[/QUOTE]A new semester has begun. Fresh meat has surely raised the ceiling yet again, or will be in short enough time. College loans are just now coming in the mail and the SB's in this age group have learned or are learning how to use as little of their 'free' money for actual school as possible. Even so, their coffers are currently filled. Just prior to Christmas, they were empty. Considering timing of these things may play a part in how easily accessible sb's are. Prior to Christmas I was receiving messages from some I haven't heard from in months. I passed but it was still interesting to observe and learn the pattern of things. It's just in my nature.

Dinner and drinks seems to be more of an interest after considerable time has been spent over numerous visits. Depending on what you are looking for, most are most receptive to being treated with little difference than a typical UTR or Pro, just with a more tactful use of words. For the purpose of time management, beating around the Bush is counter productive. Being tactful is a good idea too though. Even though there's not a menu on the surface of texted conversations in closing the deal and ending up in the FC, there's still a menu. Same gift just in a different wrapping paper. Cutting to the chase, frequency of visits and value you place on that via their desired monthly allowance. -.

If you're looking for 6 sb's in 2 weeks, cast a wide net. - Personally, for the time being, I appreciate simplicity and the idea of taking care of one and having one take care of me. I never met a woman that didn't need a bit of guidance. This age group alone makes it not so easy with that in mind. There's a sincere interest in blessing my SB, but training her while still allowing for the reciprocity to have a genuine article in it is a timely process that only allows for time to tell the end story. All said and done, I'll never allow myself to get played or taken advantage of. I'll give plenty of rope to hang herself with though. If she passes the tests, she'll be blessed instead. -.

6 Sb's however many times a month? Unless they are one time visits and done, that's a lot to manage. When I was playing a little larger field, my total expenses ranged from $ to $$ for multiple hours of time multiple times per week. Now with managing just one and trying to make a difference outside of just the FC for both of our benefits, I'm a little higher than that, but there is also much more in the works than just a FC experience. Single, very busy middle aged attractive male, it's good to have someone to count on for things as needs come up. -.

In any event, for typical FC experiences only, going any higher than $$ per visit is too much imo. Some sb's will say they would like x per month to help with their needs. If it's in the budget, divide it by $$ or less and there's your routine so long as you both agree and enjoy each other's company. -.

Keep in mind though, one of my previous posts, things we could attain if that $ were invested in something else. This idea alone is part of why I am looking to work with one and guide us both in a direction that allows for the expense to seem like a better investment we can both reap the rewards from all said and done. <- this is more likened to what I consider a true SB / SD relationship. Just me. It's not so easy and if the sb has the mental capacity of a typical utr or pro then it won't work for me. Actions speak louder than words and if one wants to act like a hook then I don't want to be faced with the option of having to treat them like the hook they are behaving as. Again, just me and this alone narrows down my options considerably when picking from this same pool as everyone else. I've been around here and there too long to allow myself to be played, taken advantage of or stolen from before things come to a true end. That's important to realize for and about yourself when going this route unless you're willing to walk away with a loss. I'm simply not, and am hoping for the best for everyone in the end anyway.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=ImThaGuy;3688892]So they say at the clinic, no news is good news. I got tested for everything including the herp (apparently they can do that now via bloodwork) a while before Christmas and never heard back from them. Life's been busy but I got around to getting the paperwork on hand now and the machine is still in good working order. Been inactive for a bit so it's good to have this peace of mind for later.

A new semester has begun. Fresh meat has surely raised the ceiling yet again, or will be in short enough time. College loans are just now coming in the mail and the SB's in this age group have learned or are learning how to use as little of their 'free' money for actual school as possible. Even so, their coffers are currently filled. Just prior to Christmas, they were empty. Considering timing of these things may play a part in how easily accessible sb's are. Prior to Christmas I was receiving messages from some I haven't heard from in months. I passed but it was still interesting to observe and learn the pattern of things. It's just in my nature.

Dinner and drinks seems to be more of an interest after considerable time has been spent over numerous visits. Depending on what you are looking for, most are most receptive to being treated with little difference than a typical UTR or Pro, just with a more tactful use of words. For the purpose of time management, beating around the Bush is counter productive. Being tactful is a good idea too though. Even though there's not a menu on the surface of texted conversations in closing the deal and ending up in the FC, there's still a menu. Same gift just in a different wrapping paper. Cutting to the chase, frequency of visits and value you place on that via their desired monthly allowance. -.

If you're looking for 6 sb's in 2 weeks, cast a wide net. - Personally, for the time being, I appreciate simplicity and the idea of taking care of one and having one take care of me. I never met a woman that didn't need a bit of guidance. This age group alone makes it not so easy with that in mind. There's a sincere interest in blessing my SB, but training her while still allowing for the reciprocity to have a genuine article in it is a timely process that only allows for time to tell the end story. All said and done, I'll never allow myself to get played or taken advantage of. I'll give plenty of rope to hang herself with though. If she passes the tests, she'll be blessed instead. -.

6 Sb's however many times a month? Unless they are one time visits and done, that's a lot to manage. When I was playing a little larger field, my total expenses ranged from $ to $$ for multiple hours of time multiple times per week. Now with managing just one and trying to make a difference outside of just the FC for both of our benefits, I'm a little higher than that, but there is also much more in the works than just a FC experience. Single, very busy middle aged attractive male, it's good to have someone to count on for things as needs come up. -.

In any event, for typical FC experiences only, going any higher than $$ per visit is too much imo. Some sb's will say they would like x per month to help with their needs. If it's in the budget, divide it by $$ or less and there's your routine so long as you both agree and enjoy each other's company. -.

Keep in mind though, one of my previous posts, things we could attain if that $ were invested in something else. This idea alone is part of why I am looking to work with one and guide us both in a direction that allows for the expense to seem like a better investment we can both reap the rewards from all said and done. <- this is more likened to what I consider a true SB / SD relationship. Just me. It's not so easy and if the sb has the mental capacity of a typical utr or pro then it won't work for me. Actions speak louder than words and if one wants to act like a hook then I don't want to be faced with the option of having to treat them like the hook they are behaving as. Again, just me and this alone narrows down my options considerably when picking from this same pool as everyone else. I've been around here and there too long to allow myself to be played, taken advantage of or stolen from before things come to a true end. That's important to realize for and about yourself when going this route unless you're willing to walk away with a loss. I'm simply not, and am hoping for the best for everyone in the end anyway.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]So, I've been a hobbyist for years, but the town has obviously dried up. As a hobbyist with a ring on my left hand, discretion was key, and simple in / out's were easily accomplished. How possible is this with a SB / SD situation? Are most SB ok with this setup? Just curious. Walking into new uncharted territory. It's not like I can go hang out at coffee shops and restaurants with the college kids, ya know.

TIA.

With good conscious advise on this one way or another. Consider my last few sentences in my last post. The consequences which stem from being caught in the act of infidelity are tough to leverage against someone willing to cross over from just having a little fun to the darker side of things. Surely it's wise to be cautious, but who can say when someone (a SB) may think a really bad idea might be a worthy pursuit. This makes it hard for me to hold any responsibility of providing any direct guidance for anyone with this concern specifically.

Even-so, I've found no reason to believe a SB would provide any greater of a risk than anyone else in any other setting. Morally speaking, LOL, I don't see them placing any lesser value or personal judgement towards a married gentleman seeking some fun on the side.

It'll just be a matter of putting your concerns out there and seeing who is willing to play ball. Some patience will likely be in order to get a few on hand to have on call on occasion and the strength in numbers principle will surely make it easier to have options when the time arises. After the process plays out and some arrangements are brought to a close in the FC, a routine may present itself and a simpler process of your doings altogether will have been achieved. It'll take some upfront effort though but the payoff seems to be well enough for most. The routine and monthly allowance will make it easier for them to be dependable as well.

Good luck and be safe.

[QUOTE=UncwFan;3689293]So, I've been a hobbyist for years, but the town has obviously dried up. As a hobbyist with a ring on my left hand, discretion was key, and simple in / out's were easily accomplished. How possible is this with a SB / SD situation? Are most SB ok with this setup? Just curious. Walking into new uncharted territory. It's not like I can go hang out at coffee shops and restaurants with the college kids, ya know.

TIA.[/QUOTE]

If your marriage is something you want to protect, I'd advise AGAINST any type of SD / SB arrangement unless you can 100% guarantee to the terms you setup with your girl. Saying something like, "Oh I'll take care of you monthly" and then balking on that agreement after the girl gets to know you could send her into a fit of rage with revenge on her mind. With FB and somewhat of a small community in Wilmington, it would be easy for any SB to turn on her SD if things go south. Just saying be careful.

[QUOTE=ImThaGuy;3692688]With good conscious advise on this one way or another. Consider my last few sentences in my last post. The consequences which stem from being caught in the act of infidelity are tough to leverage against someone willing to cross over from just having a little fun to the darker side of things. Surely it's wise to be cautious, but who can say when someone (a SB) may think a really bad idea might be a worthy pursuit. This makes it hard for me to hold any responsibility of providing any direct guidance for anyone with this concern specifically.

Even-so, I've found no reason to believe a SB would provide any greater of a risk than anyone else in any other setting. Morally speaking, LOL, I don't see them placing any lesser value or personal judgement towards a married gentleman seeking some fun on the side.

It'll just be a matter of putting your concerns out there and seeing who is willing to play ball. Some patience will likely be in order to get a few on hand to have on call on occasion and the strength in numbers principle will surely make it easier to have options when the time arises. After the process plays out and some arrangements are brought to a close in the FC, a routine may present itself and a simpler process of your doings altogether will have been achieved. It'll take some upfront effort though but the payoff seems to be well enough for most. The routine and monthly allowance will make it easier for them to be dependable as well.

Good luck and be safe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NCHobbyist69;3693033]If your marriage is something you want to protect, I'd advise AGAINST any type of SD / SB arrangement unless you can 100% guarantee to the terms you setup with your girl. Saying something like, "Oh I'll take care of you monthly" and then balking on that agreement after the girl gets to know you could send her into a fit of rage with revenge on her mind. With FB and somewhat of a small community in Wilmington, it would be easy for any SB to turn on her SD if things go south. Just saying be careful.[/QUOTE]Post needs to be in bold highlite and marked as important. No truer words have been typed in a short and straight forward way for this subject. Well said man.

[QUOTE=PiedPiper77;3693859]Post needs to be in bold highlite and marked as important. No truer words have been typed in a short and straight forward way for this subject. Well said man.[/QUOTE]And all of this is what I expected. I assumed it wasn't as "simple" as a standard meet up. Thanks for confirming, guys.

- never give your real name.

- use a second phone number app or grab a burner from Walmart.

- if emailing, use discretion and a gmail account.

- hook up only at hotels or her place.

- never meet face-to-face in a place you'll be recognized.

- do not send her pics via email or text.

- when hooking up, leave wallet in locked glove compartment and only bring cash. If you need to keep your wallet with you, keep it -- and your phone -- in the front pockets of your pants, and keep them in line-of-sight at all times. When you shower bring them into the bathroom with you.

- make sure when you meet your girl in public you figure-out some way to check her arms, etc. For needle marks; in this day and age, you can never be too careful.

- when meeting in public the first time, get there 30 minutes or so early and watch for her to arrive. If somebody drops her off, make sure it isn't some sketchy dude.

All of the above may be paranoid, but I've had a few successful arrangements over the years and I've followed these rules with success. My two cents, do with this what you will. Be safe, be smart, happy hunting.

[QUOTE=UncwFan;3694255]And all of this is what I expected. I assumed it wasn't as "simple" as a standard meet up. Thanks for confirming, guys.[/QUOTE]

The idea of caution in these affairs. No doubt there's a different level of concern going in unmarried versus being obligated to a contract of wedlock.

I certainly trust those more experienced to realize the potential dangers involved with a SB willing to cross that line. I'll call myself fortunate to to have avoided any troubles, whereas I have avoided practically every warning mentioned.

There's some things altogether in my mind that cause me to be so nonchalant. First of all, I'm of a mind of having zero shame in this lifestyle. Any sb I have dealt with, they and their families are invested in schooling in which they hope to use to make a career out of at some point. They have normal lives just like everyone else. Dealing with a SB such as this, what are the chances she would, in the process of 'exposing' her SD, indirectly expose herself and confess to being a hooker pretty much? Again this is just me, but anyone of any significant value in my life would literally laugh in a SB's face should something like this happen. I bring them to my house but their license plate is on film as soon as they pull in the driveway. I've been out in public with a few. Agreed, there is no 100% guarantee of anything, but I'm also not opposed to putting things in proper check myself should I be challenged in any way.

The initial vetting process has helped me recognize the less desirables early on. I do remain anonymous with burner phones in that stage of things and it takes some things to happen before I will actually expose any genuine identifying info. It took some time before some things finally came together for me but I was not looking to get hooked up with anything that simply moved and breathed. I'm sure there are some bad apples in the SB pool, but my in person experiences have honestly proven to present no concerns of druggies or anything of that sort. I haven't had an account with SA for months and don't expect to again for some time really. It took some effort, but things really simplified once contact was made with some of the better options.

Again, I most definitely do agree with and appreciate a little or even a lot of caution, especially with consequences as deep as a those which come with being married and playing this game. I'm just not sure I could enjoy it if all of that were necessary. I do think it's a fair statement to say that with all of the options available on SA, there's a pretty good number of SB's there that would seem to be less risky than others elsewhere. I had a look over on BP just a bit ago and it's no comparison imo. On SA, it's as simple as clicking on a profile and asking.

Buddy of mine has a SB he sees from UNCW, said he met her yesterday she was coughing and sweating, talked about how her friends at school have the flu. I do not currently have a SB from UNCW, but thought I'd mention this here in case anybody else does. May want to make sure your flu shots are up to date before partying anytime soon. Just FYI. Peace.

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Does anybody have any intel on this one. She calls you "babe" almost instantly, says she has not eaten in days and wants some money for food.

But for some reason she actually seems legit or am I being fooled?