Sugarbabies and Arrangements

I'm starting this thread for the daddies in Northern Ohio who are on all the different sugar daddy sites. I included Northern Ohio, because I have been known to go see a girl in Toledo when I live in the Medina / Fairlawn area. I could have limited it to just Cleveland, but I would venture to guess that if you're anything like me you will go outside of your city if the right young woman catches your attention in the right way.

This thread is for helpful information for the daddies to sift out the scammers whose intent is to rinse us for our money with little or no return. In the long run it will save us the money we could otherwise use most efficiently. There a few other threads around the country, but only a few.

Good luck with this. If there is anything I left out then mention it. Thanks.

I spend most of my time on [URL]seekingarrangement.com[/URL] or Seeking Arrangement. I've had good luck on the site, and have set up meetings with women in other cities when I know I'm going to travel there.

I am currently seeing four women with two POT in the wings.

I've been on the site since about November of 2014. There are others from other cities that have been on the site for several years.

At some point soon I'll post links to women who are rinsers / scammers that I have come across.

It has come to my attention that another thread in another city experienced a baby or two catching wind of their thread and was able to find it. Apparently a daddy was being too forthcoming and not using his head when talking to this baby.

This thread is for the daddies only. Please don't lose your head and tell a baby about our thread. This is intel only for us.

I know there are daddies in Northeast Ohio out there.

I came across this one on SA. Don't let her young age fool you. She's ghetto, a scammer, and a drug addict. Proceed at your own risk.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/ee074d7b/view[/URL]

I just jumped back on SA today. I'm noticing a decline in quality in most of the girls on there now.

I just recently joined SA, I had tried SD4 me but gave up on it. I doubt I will try SA for more than a month or two but I figured it was worth a try.

[QUOTE=JaggOff;2729857]I just recently joined SA, I had tried SD4 me but gave up on it. I doubt I will try SA for more than a month or two but I figured it was worth a try.[/QUOTE]SD4 ME has really declined from when I joined it 3 years ago. Back then with a search radius of 100 miles I could find 20 pages of girls who was online at that time. Now if there is 5 pages I'm surprised. I think most have moved on to the other sites or we mongers have driven them completely out of the sb business. I switched to SA a year ago and am happy there.

Why? Is it because you're looking for someone different? Looking for pussy less traveled? Better rates? Better reliability? I'll go first. I've realized that I prefer to see the same person. It takes me awhile to get comfortable with a provider and I hate going through that so I would rather see the same person regularly. What's your reason?

[QUOTE=JaggOff;2742246]Why? Is it because you're looking for someone different? Looking for pussy less traveled? Better rates? Better reliability? I'll go first. I've realized that I prefer to see the same person. It takes me awhile to get comfortable with a provider and I hate going through that so I would rather see the same person regularly. What's your reason?[/QUOTE]Exactly. A baby is less traveled, usually has a job, or is going to college and needs a little financial help. Those are the best kind. They're generally sweet and not hard core survival types that the pro's are and have to be to survive. I guess you could say that a true SB is more of the GFE.

I don't know this directly but I've heard from some credible sources that the three girls listed have multiple accounts on SA, Established Men, and Arrangement Finders. Maybe more. But everyone should be careful of two of them. One has been in the hospital for what I heard was some kind of blood infection. If we're talking about Heroin users and injecting Cocaine then I'm guessing Hepatitis or even worse HIV. They live in a Trap house in Lorain from what I've heard. They go by the names of Brittany, Farah aka Katrina, and I can't recall the other name that was mentioned. On SA there is "Katand britt22" posing as bi-sexual girls. "Brittbritt26" on Established Men and Arrangement finders and formerly of SA. This Brittany also has or had an account on SA going by the name of "Madaline26" and "Brittbritt26". "Katrina8" on Established Men and Arrangement Finders I think. The third girl I was told used to have profiles but is overweight and not as attractive and has removed them, but acts as the pimp instead for the two girls. She actually is the one that the men unknowingly are talking to when texting. This third girl does all the talking for the other two. She never talks on the phone only texting. The other two are updated by the third girl with what was said in the conversation. They have had quite a scam going since July. They live in Trap houses with Heroin and Crack dealers in Lorain. Take it for what it's worth, but it sounds highly dangerous to me. They live in these houses in Lorain as prostitutes and borderline Human trafficking if you ask me. These two girls have no cars and are fed the two drugs to keep them going and one of them is extremely sick and the other one might be too. The sources didn't say. Just passing along the information for you guys. Personally I would fear the HIV and Hepatitis not to mention STD's. The Human Trafficking issue is just sad. If it is true I hope they get saved. They live in fear of the dealers, so it would be difficult to rescue them unless they were just taken by the authorities. I hope I'm wrong, but the signs are there. By the way Katrina aka Farah is the brunette and Brittany is the blonde. The third girl has brown hair and chunky.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e493e3031/view?search-recently-active[/URL]

[URL]https://establishedmen.com/profiles/brittbritt26[/URL]

[URL]https://arrangementfinders.com/profiles/brittbritt26[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2782150]I don't know this directly but I've heard from some credible sources that the three girls listed have multiple accounts on SA, Established Men, and Arrangement Finders. Maybe more. But everyone should be careful of two of them. One has been in the hospital for what I heard was some kind of blood infection. If we're talking about Heroin users and injecting Cocaine then I'm guessing Hepatitis or even worse HIV. They live in a Trap house in Lorain from what I've heard. They go by the names of Brittany, Farah aka Katrina, and I can't recall the other name that was mentioned. On SA there is "Katand britt22" posing as bi-sexual girls. "Brittbritt26" on Established Men and Arrangement finders and formerly of SA. This Brittany also has or had an account on SA going by the name of "Madaline26" and "Brittbritt26". "Katrina8" on Established Men and Arrangement Finders I think. The third girl I was told used to have profiles but is overweight and not as attractive and has removed them, but acts as the pimp instead for the two girls. She actually is the one that the men unknowingly are talking to when texting. This third girl does all the talking for the other two. She never talks on the phone only texting. The other two are updated by the third girl with what was said in the conversation. They have had quite a scam going since July. They live in Trap houses with Heroin and Crack dealers in Lorain. Take it for what it's worth, but it sounds highly dangerous to me. They live in these houses in Lorain as prostitutes and borderline Human trafficking if you ask me. These two girls have no cars and are fed the two drugs to keep them going and one of them is extremely sick and the other one might be too. The sources didn't say. Just passing along the information for you guys. Personally I would fear the HIV and Hepatitis not to mention STD's. The Human Trafficking issue is just sad. If it is true I hope they get saved. They live in fear of the dealers, so it would be difficult to rescue them unless they were just taken by the authorities. I hope I'm wrong, but the signs are there. By the way Katrina aka Farah is the brunette and Brittany is the blonde. The third girl has brown hair and chunky.

[URL]https://www.seekingarrangement.com/member/e493e3031/view?search-recently-active[/URL]

[URL]https://establishedmen.com/profiles/brittbritt26[/URL]

[URL]https://arrangementfinders.com/profiles/brittbritt26[/URL][/QUOTE]The links only work if you're already a member. Can you give any more info besides their names and that they are in Lorain?

[QUOTE=Rafter17;2782983]The links only work if you're already a member. Can you give any more info besides their names and that they are in Lorain?[/QUOTE]Besides pictures what other information were you thinking? I don't know a lot as the information was passed on to me.

Katrina
Brittany
And the source was sure who the third person was.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2786472]Besides pictures what other information were you thinking? I don't know a lot as the information was passed on to me.

Katrina
Brittany
And the source was sure who the third person was.[/QUOTE]The pics are sufficient for me. That helps a lot since a lot of girls seem to change their working names frequently.

Most of the SBs I've seen are college girls or single moms in need of cash. They can choose who they see as can I so am finding their responses more genuine. Am also finding more kinky ones than I expected (subs, into spanking, Greek lovers, etc). I'm hardly seeing any pros anymore.

Appreciate this thread!

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2757158]Exactly. A baby is less traveled, usually has a job, or is going to college and needs a little financial help. Those are the best kind. They're generally sweet and not hard core survival types that the pro's are and have to be to survive. I guess you could say that a true SB is more of the GFE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RoadWarrior007;2787957]Most of the SBs I've seen are college girls or single moms in need of cash. They can choose who they see as can I so am finding their responses more genuine. Am also finding more kinky ones than I expected (subs, into spanking, Greek lovers, etc). I'm hardly seeing any pros anymore.

Appreciate this thread![/QUOTE]The babies are still on SA no doubt, but in recent months there has been an increase in pros feeding their drug habit. Kind of like the two I listed recently. My source today told me one of them is in the hospital with some kind of blood infection I think. I also can't find the katandbritt22 on SA. Maybe they took their site down.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2788301]The babies are still on SA no doubt, but in recent months there has been an increase in pros feeding their drug habit. Kind of like the two I listed recently. My source today told me one of them is in the hospital with some kind of blood infection I think. I also can't find the katandbritt22 on SA. Maybe they took their site down.[/QUOTE]They're all still on the site, unfortunately. They now go by Laura83 and Brittandkat22.

I was only active on SA for about a month so I have very little to go on. In that month I had a girl from out of the blue ask me for $75 to help pay her rent. I had never had any contact with her before. I politely declined. Another that I had emailed back and forth with wanted money for her daughters birthday, they always like to use some sort of sob story to play on your emotions. I offered to see her, her response was "fine". She never had any intentions of meeting anyone on that site. Another 25 year old who allegedly has three kids and a dead beat baby daddy living with her more or less admitted to getting guys to help feed her kids by buying her food. No BCD time involved. Several ads explicitly say don't contact for sex or emphasis conversation, sorry, I would rather talk to my dog. And of course there are a few known providers. I'm not sure I'll bother with SA, at least for now.

They post in Amherst and Wakeman. Once you text them they will blow up your phone. I saw Katrina about 7 months ago and she looked like she had been cracked in the jaw. The house that she was in was a shit hole for shore. This was the first in three meetings that made me decide to drop off the site.

The next was a girl that I saw once, no big deal, so we set up next appointment. I get to her house she doesn't answer text, even though we were communicating for the last hour. I sit in the parking lot of apartment complex and decided. Screw it, her place wasn't bad and she seemed like she had it together. Well. I knock on door, she comes out all tired like she just woke up. Less than a minute later out comes her Mom! See ya. Got to go!

My final in trifecta of greatness. Nothing too bad. Place was a complete dump in Akron that she shared with cousin. Good bbj though! from an 18 yr old! unfortunately communication went dark after a week and the phone is linked to cousins fb page.

Some of these ding bats want $ for pictures. There are hidden gems but it takes awhile to find them. When you do they expect a lot.

And that is why I took a few months away from the hobby.

Stay Safe.

MoS.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2786472]Besides pictures what other information were you thinking? I don't know a lot as the information was passed on to me.

Katrina
Brittany
And the source was sure who the third person was.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Moszlak01;2788459]They post in Amherst and Wakeman. Once you text them they will blow up your phone. I saw Katrina about 7 months ago and she looked like she had been cracked in the jaw. The house that she was in was a shit hole for shore. This was the first in three meetings that made me decide to drop off the site.

The next was a girl that I saw once, no big deal, so we set up next appointment. I get to her house she doesn't answer text, even though we were communicating for the last hour. I sit in the parking lot of apartment complex and decided. Screw it, her place wasn't bad and she seemed like she had it together. Well. I knock on door, she comes out all tired like she just woke up. Less than a minute later out comes her Mom! See ya. Got to go!

My final in trifecta of greatness. Nothing too bad. Place was a complete dump in Akron that she shared with cousin. Good bbj though! from an 18 yr old! unfortunately communication went dark after a week and the phone is linked to cousins fb page.

Some of these ding bats want $ for pictures. There are hidden gems but it takes awhile to find them. When you do they expect a lot.

And that is why I took a few months away from the hobby.

Stay Safe.

MoS.[/QUOTE]This is my first post at the request of Mike7794. He encouraged me to join the site. I read the site from the outside, but I never got around to signing up. He wanted me to respond to my experience with the girls pictures that he posted and I told him about.

The first girl's name is Farrah aka Katrina on SA. The second girl is Brittany1. The third girl is Brittany2 (can't remember the name she used on the site) but does not look like the one I know, but with different hair colors and cut short and long maybe it is the same one. The one I know most is Brittany1. When I was first wrote Britt1 on SA I was actually conversing with Britt2 without my knowledge. Britt2 was pimping Britt1 as all three girls are heroin addicts. Both of them lived in Britt2's mother's house in Amherst. Was this the place you talked about when someone's mother showed up? Britt2 also pimped Katrina on SA, Established Men, and Arrangement Finders along with Britt1. Anyway I met Britt1 for the first meet and greet at a bar. It went well enough for an agreement on our arrangement. I saw her in August and September, then we had a falling out and split up in October, then got back together in November until the end of January of this year. The split up in October was probably over the lack of communication by Britt1 and Britt2, or being the heroin addicts that they were Britt1 just was too high to know what was going on. I don't know. I caught on to the scam being pulled on me sometime in December. I didn't immediately dump Britt1, because 1 we had a trip planned together, and 2 I wanted to find out what more was going on from the inside. Kind of a "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" approach. I was pissed to say the least. To speed up this story the summary is that Britt1 moved out of Britt2's mother's house after being punched by Britt2 as she stayed with me over the Thanksgiving holiday, and moved into a trap house living with a crack / heroin dealer, Farrah aka Katrina on SA, and another girl who I know nothing of and I think is in jail for prostitution, and some young guy who I believe is on Meth. So five of them in a trap house in Lorain. Farrah aka Katrina just recently had heart surgery for a blood infection and a blood clot in her lung. Almost died according to Britt1. I kept seeing Britt1 after I uncovered their scam and only communicated directly with Britt1 after I busted them. I found out about their heroin / coke addictions right after Thanksgiving when Britt2's mother found my number on her daughter's phone and called me asking questions and revealing to me that Britt1 was a heroin and coke addict. Britt1 then admitted to it. I then took myself to get my blood tested, as Britt1 shot heroin, coke, and smoked crack, but not until January. Luckily I tested clean for HIV, Hepatitis, and all STD's. Britt2 still is in the picture as she frequents the trap house. The crack / heroin dealer keeps the girls high and Britt2 pimps both Britt1 and Farrah aka Katrina out. Britt2 gets a cut of what Britt1 and Farrah make, and are able to pay the dealer for some of their drugs and rent. It is like Britt2 and the dealer are working together to pimp Britt1 and Katrina. I used to joke with Britt1 that when I contacted her directly to see her with there always being a long pause I would say "did you have to get permission to see me? I was on to something. I could sense it. Since I know Britt1 the best she moved into that house at the end of November and now is so far deep in addiction off the crack and heroin that she is too far gone. She did attempt to quit the heroin and did for a couple of months as I could see her gain significant weight and looked healthier, but now has fallen back into it, and that is when I made my exit. I tested clean, so I wanted to stay that way. It's too bad about Britt1. She was a nice girl who seemed to be high functioning while I was with her, but the dealer and Britt2 keep her drugged, so there is no escape for her. I told her I would help her by getting her out of that trap house, but she has to want to. That has not happened. Sorry for my long winded first post. There was more, but I shortened it up.

[QUOTE=Moszlak01;2788459]They post in Amherst and Wakeman. Once you text them they will blow up your phone. I saw Katrina about 7 months ago and she looked like she had been cracked in the jaw. The house that she was in was a shit hole for shore. This was the first in three meetings that made me decide to drop off the site.

The next was a girl that I saw once, no big deal, so we set up next appointment. I get to her house she doesn't answer text, even though we were communicating for the last hour. I sit in the parking lot of apartment complex and decided. Screw it, her place wasn't bad and she seemed like she had it together. Well. I knock on door, she comes out all tired like she just woke up. Less than a minute later out comes her Mom! See ya. Got to go!

My final in trifecta of greatness. Nothing too bad. Place was a complete dump in Akron that she shared with cousin. Good bbj though! from an 18 yr old! unfortunately communication went dark after a week and the phone is linked to cousins fb page.

Some of these ding bats want $ for pictures. There are hidden gems but it takes awhile to find them. When you do they expect a lot.

And that is why I took a few months away from the hobby.

Stay Safe.

MoS.[/QUOTE]I get the Katrina experience, but in your second paragraph I can't get who you are talking about. Brittany or the third girl in the pictures? Wakeman? I'll have to look on a map on where that is.

Ha, welcome Domcali. That was good timing. Thanks for posting and welcome. Good post my friend. I couldn't put together what you told me.

So Chelsea has her profile on SA and in texting found that she only does dates w / her best friend, Jocelyn.

Anyone know anything about these two?

Am a little leery seeing two unknowns at once since one could be ripping you off while the other keeps you distracted.

Thanks.

These were 3 separate experiences with different girls. The first one was Katrina and the other 2 are girls were random meetings from SA. One in Elyria and the other in Akron. Wakeman is an area West of Elyria that Britt supposedly lived.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2795485]I get the Katrina experience, but in your second paragraph I can't get who you are talking about. Brittany or the third girl in the pictures? Wakeman? I'll have to look on a map on where that is.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Moszlak01;2799767]These were 3 separate experiences with different girls. The first one was Katrina and the other 2 are girls were random meetings from SA. One in Elyria and the other in Akron. Wakeman is an area West of Elyria that Britt supposedly lived.[/QUOTE]Okay I get it now.

[QUOTE=Moszlak01;2799767]These were 3 separate experiences with different girls. The first one was Katrina and the other 2 are girls were random meetings from SA. One in Elyria and the other in Akron. Wakeman is an area West of Elyria that Britt supposedly lived.[/QUOTE]Britt grew up in Wakeman, but lived in Amherst with Britt2 and her mother. She then moved to a trap house in Lorain.

I used to think SA or any SB site was a tier above BP, but really they're not. BUT, if you're willing to spend, then the talent pool is deep, you'll need to weed out the fakes though. If you're expecting BP prices then you'll get BP shit, like brit. SA in my opinion is a great source, just jump on for a month, get lots of digits and then abandon the site.

[QUOTE=Cleveboy;2804513]I used to think SA or any SB site was a tier above BP, but really they're not. BUT, if you're willing to spend, then the talent pool is deep, you'll need to weed out the fakes though. If you're expecting BP prices then you'll get BP shit, like brit. SA in my opinion is a great source, just jump on for a month, get lots of digits and then abandon the site.[/QUOTE]I've been active on SA since November of '14, and only in recent months have I seen an increase in escorts from BP and CL. Overall SA is by far way above BP imo. There are baby's on there one just has to weed through it. I have had countless young college honeys that you would never see on BP. And they don't have the miles on them for the most part. Their attitudes are fresh with a little innocence mixed in. Not the hardened attitudes that you see on BP.

Have to agree with Mike. Haven't enjoyed too many ladies on BP and the touring gals are expensive. Like the constant influx of new SBs who are usually enthusiastic. Many seem to be college girls and young, single moms. Have let my membership on several other provider sites lapse since I've been enjoying the SBs more than the pros lately.

[QUOTE=Mike7794;2804759]I've been active on SA since November of '14, and only in recent months have I seen an increase in escorts from BP and CL. Overall SA is by far way above BP imo. There are baby's on there one just has to weed through it. I have had countless young college honeys that you would never see on BP. And they don't have the miles on them for the most part. Their attitudes are fresh with a little innocence mixed in. Not the hardened attitudes that you see on BP.[/QUOTE]

Gents,

I only play in the bowl when I travel, and I ended up in CLE earlier this week.

Here is what I found in your fair city on the scene from ads within 25 miles of the city.

SexyHotSugar -- UNBELIEVABLE hardbody MILF. Insatiatble desire for cock, CIM, spanking, likes it hard and rough, choking, ass too tight for greek, but wedged a finger in there and it drove her wild. She picked me up at airport, took me to nearby hotel, we fucked for 2 hours, then she dropped me off downtown at my work hotel. $300 for two hours, day time only is her MO. Do not miss. Ass is a piece of art.

Nikki989 -- won't do a sleepover, wants $2000 to meet. Yeah, right.

BabyM23 -- strikes me as a UTR pro, don't believe she is a med student.

CleveJen -- was not up for one and done with an out of towner.

TaraH22 -- great cans, not sure about the rest of her. AGreed to overnight for $500, anything but anal. Cancelled her in favor of Kay.

Miss myah, illegally blonde, delanie 11 TWoKisses London Lorraine Mischa A were very uncommunicative. Maybe an occasional response but did not engage.

Reagan 08 looks hot, but her reply to my message was "I don't do the prostitute / one night stand thing".

Morgan 86 -- hard body fitness model. Does not drink or do dinner dates (eats portioned meals 6 x a day) Single Mom. Day time play time only, not too interested in one and done meets. $500 minimum for get together. Passed.

Sbaby. Would not do overnight, but agreed to $400 for dinner to 1 AM. Greek possible. Cancelled her in favor of the MILF.

SpiritedGirl -- works 12 hour shifts at her job, so timing did not work, never got to more details.

Kay11230 -- agreed to overnight for $400 - $500. Met her for lunch day of as she said she had some bad experiences with guys being fakes and stiffing her -- way to go CLE cheapskates, fucking and fleeing on SBs. Looked as pictured, even better rack. Thin, single mom, agreed to meet for dinner and sleep over. She asked me to front her $100 to cover her cable bill. I did so since she seemed genuine to her messages etc. Agreed to meet for dinner and she came with her overnight bag. Dinner was fine, but she was constantly checking her phone. Got a 2nd bottle of wine to take back to my room. She changed and blew me well and fucked well too, but her vocalizations seemed a little fake and she was a little too tipsy from downing most fo the 2nd bottle. Kept checking her phone too. Told me about her friend Megan who is on the site, showed me her photo. Said she did a 3 some with her for her BFs birthday and did I want her to come over. Passed for logistical and $$ reasons. Kay polished off more wine and I fucked her again the best I could given the short turn-around time and my un-medicated erectile potential (I'm 51). She was really drunk by then and announced she would rather go home and pass out than pass out at my hotel. She got dressed, got an UBEr and I put $200 in her purse and made sure she got out of the hotel without falling flat on her face. She later send me angry message about compensating her less than agreed -- sorry, but fronting you $100 and totaling out at $300 plus a very nice dinner and you leaving two fucks early seems plenty fair in my book. Blocked me on SA from future contact -- fine by me! She also is a basket case -- started telling me her life story the drunker she got. Mom died, BF killed in Iraq, father of her kid ODd, etc. Got the sense she is UTR pro with all the drama.

Miss Megan -- wild chick. Friends with Kay and will do 3 somes with Kay. Apparently is all access, but never discussed price with Kay.

[QUOTE=ArcherSterling;2823141]Gents,

I only play in the bowl when I travel, and I ended up in CLE earlier this week.

Here is what I found in your fair city on the scene from ads within 25 miles of the city.

SexyHotSugar -- UNBELIEVABLE hardbody MILF. Insatiatble desire for cock, CIM, spanking, likes it hard and rough, choking, ass too tight for greek, but wedged a finger in there and it drove her wild. She picked me up at airport, took me to nearby hotel, we fucked for 2 hours, then she dropped me off downtown at my work hotel. $300 for two hours, day time only is her MO. Do not miss. Ass is a piece of art.

Nikki989 -- won't do a sleepover, wants $2000 to meet. Yeah, right.

BabyM23 -- strikes me as a UTR pro, don't believe she is a med student.

CleveJen -- was not up for one and done with an out of towner.

TaraH22 -- great cans, not sure about the rest of her. AGreed to overnight for $500, anything but anal. Cancelled her in favor of Kay.

Miss myah, illegally blonde, delanie 11 TWoKisses London Lorraine Mischa A were very uncommunicative. Maybe an occasional response but did not engage.

Reagan 08 looks hot, but her reply to my message was "I don't do the prostitute / one night stand thing".

Morgan 86 -- hard body fitness model. Does not drink or do dinner dates (eats portioned meals 6 x a day) Single Mom. Day time play time only, not too interested in one and done meets. $500 minimum for get together. Passed.

Sbaby. Would not do overnight, but agreed to $400 for dinner to 1 AM. Greek possible. Cancelled her in favor of the MILF.

SpiritedGirl -- works 12 hour shifts at her job, so timing did not work, never got to more details.

Kay11230 -- agreed to overnight for $400 - $500. Met her for lunch day of as she said she had some bad experiences with guys being fakes and stiffing her -- way to go CLE cheapskates, fucking and fleeing on SBs. Looked as pictured, even better rack. Thin, single mom, agreed to meet for dinner and sleep over. She asked me to front her $100 to cover her cable bill. I did so since she seemed genuine to her messages etc. Agreed to meet for dinner and she came with her overnight bag. Dinner was fine, but she was constantly checking her phone. Got a 2nd bottle of wine to take back to my room. She changed and blew me well and fucked well too, but her vocalizations seemed a little fake and she was a little too tipsy from downing most fo the 2nd bottle. Kept checking her phone too. Told me about her friend Megan who is on the site, showed me her photo. Said she did a 3 some with her for her BFs birthday and did I want her to come over. Passed for logistical and $$ reasons. Kay polished off more wine and I fucked her again the best I could given the short turn-around time and my un-medicated erectile potential (I'm 51). She was really drunk by then and announced she would rather go home and pass out than pass out at my hotel. She got dressed, got an UBEr and I put $200 in her purse and made sure she got out of the hotel without falling flat on her face. She later send me angry message about compensating her less than agreed -- sorry, but fronting you $100 and totaling out at $300 plus a very nice dinner and you leaving two fucks early seems plenty fair in my book. Blocked me on SA from future contact -- fine by me! She also is a basket case -- started telling me her life story the drunker she got. Mom died, BF killed in Iraq, father of her kid ODd, etc. Got the sense she is UTR pro with all the drama.

Miss Megan -- wild chick. Friends with Kay and will do 3 somes with Kay. Apparently is all access, but never discussed price with Kay.[/QUOTE]My opion is if they are quoting prices for one time they are pro or utr. If they offer to bring a friend for $ they are pro or utr and shouldn't be mentioned as a SB. If they are quoting prices without asking for a pic or a m / g definitely pro or utr. SA has become full of these girls or retired girls who were pros years ago to cash in on the easy money. Mongers create alot of these girls by giving big $$ once or twice then disappeari g. The girls learn fast they can make money by fucking a guy they don't even like and could care less if he never comes back. Just like a monger, on to the next SD (john).

Case in point your girl downed 2 bottles of wine and was shit faced and still couldn't spend the night. She made her some money got dinner and drunk and hit the trail. This is something you would expect from a pro or utr.

The two most prominent sugar daddy sites right now are probably Seeking Arrangement and SugarDaddyMeet. Both sites require a paid membership to send messages to and receive messages from sugar babies. I have some practical advice to share and perhaps other peopl can chime in.

1) Typically, a sugar daddy might pay for access to a website by using his credit card, but I recommend you not to do this. At least not with your personal card. Instead, purchase a Visa or MasterCard gift card from a drug store or grocer. Make sure you pay for the card with cash and load money on it with cash. When you have purchased your card, it operates like any Visa or MasterCard. Usually, you can log onto the card's website and enter the zip code attached to the card. This is crucial if you are making an online purchase; most vendors will match the zip code. You can also enter an address. Again, you may want to be discreet about the address that you use. I can't endorse fraud, so I won't say anymore, except to mention that the address is merely for matching purposes when you make a purchase.

2) Sites like Seeking Arrangement are designed to milk as much money from you as possible. I favor a "shotgun" approach to messaging prospects. I send out as many messages as possible, while trying to make the message look original and unique. Most sugar babies receive a ton of messages and most of them are the copy-and-paste variety. If you're a good typist, it's possible to use a copy-and-paste intro message while still typing something pertinent to the woman's profile.

3) Like with Backpage, it's crucial to do your research. Try to get a cell number or email address as soon as possible. I always opt for a cell number. Facebook is a good resource for trying to learn as much about your prospect as possible. For example, you may want to ascertain if the prospect looks like a heavy drug user on FB while her photos on SA are prestine.

4) Protect your identity. Use a texting application like TextMe or TextNow to communicate. Use disposable email addresses. If a sugar baby asks for your photo, upload a photo to tinypic and delete it as soon as she sees it. She may save the photo on her phone and that may be a necessary evil, but I don't advise sharing your LinkedIn or Facebook account with anyone.

Once again, I'm not suggesting that sugar daddies ought to be secretive or deceptive. I'm merely advising everybody to take steps to protect one's identity.

This is just a tidbit, but if you've been on the SD scene for a while, you might remember a website called SD4 Me. It was fairly popular before the advent of SA and Ashley Madison. Now SD4 Me is a graveyard. Some babies use it as a 2nd or 3rd choice website and some providers use it as well, but it's just not very popular anymore. In case you've ever wondered why it fell so far so fast, there is a backdoor website (actually two or three of them) in which you could use your SD4 Me and read / send messages without having to pay a subscription fee. My theory is that once a service becomes virtually free, the site cannot afford maintenance and the public views the site as less desirable.

Anyway, if you're an SD4 Me fan and want info on the backdoor method, PM me.

Delusional enough to believe that they should receive at least a grand. To be your temporary girlfriend. Here are their SA names:

Azarra.

Blueeyedkitty.

Ava xoxo.

Mimi2222.

Amber1011.

Reagan08.

And here's the Honor Roll for Wasting Your Time. Your time and energy gets you nothing in return but idiotic behavior--if you receive a response at all.

Hillary690.

Tiffk3.

VaraVee.

Scarlett.

Tyoung321.

Katielux.

Delanie 11.

Dolly baby.

Blondie0123.

Tori222.

Mehana.

If anyone has had a good experience with any of these "award winners" please let me know and I'll amend the list.

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[QUOTE=ChadwickHarry;2839428]Delusional enough to believe that they should receive at least a grand. To be your temporary girlfriend. Here are their SA names:

Azarra.

Blueeyedkitty.

Ava xoxo.

Mimi2222.

Amber1011.

Reagan08.

And here's the Honor Roll for Wasting Your Time. Your time and energy gets you nothing in return but idiotic behavior--if you receive a response at all.

Hillary690.

Tiffk3.

VaraVee.

Scarlett.

Tyoung321.

Katielux.

Delanie 11.

Dolly baby.

Blondie0123.

Tori222.

Mehana.

If anyone has had a good experience with any of these "award winners" please let me know and I'll amend the list.[/QUOTE]Hey Chad,

I tried to answer your your PM's, but your account does't accept them. Try to contact me.

Had an incredibly strange texting encounter with "Kittens147. " Her SA account has since been deleted / gone inactive, but I'm tossing this out there in case she comes back or returns under a different name. She said she was 21 on her profile, but I think there's more to the story here or she might be trying to get back at people who she thinks are wasting her time. She requested that I forward her major incentives in advance, which I bluntly refused to do. She had mentioned that she couldn't provide any service besides BBBJ due to some kind of medical condition as well. Ever since I declined her offer, she's been sending random texts asking to meet. This last one that I got was where it became weird; she sent me a text (I'm assuming it's her) saying that "this is 'kittens' father,' don't ever call this number again or else. " I had never called her number to begin with outside of texting. Then I get another message saying "that's what I thought. " An hour or so later, I get a message from some number with a 914 area code saying "don't ever call this number again or else you'll be talking to the cops. ".

It's amazing how obsessive some people can be. I'm not sure if it really was her father or not, or if it's her getting some of her friends to try and intimidate me because I refused her requests and stopped responding to her, but I also have to consider the fact that she might not have been who she said she was on there, and it was actually some of her family members finding out about her side gig. The whole situation is baffling, but I'm inclined to believe that she was mainly just bitter and upset. Whatever the case is though, I'm glad that I use a texting app instead of my actual number.

[QUOTE=TheEndlessEdge;2863086]Had an incredibly strange texting encounter with "Kittens147. " Her SA account has since been deleted / gone inactive, but I'm tossing this out there in case she comes back or returns under a different name. She said she was 21 on her profile, but I think there's more to the story here or she might be trying to get back at people who she thinks are wasting her time. She requested that I forward her major incentives in advance, which I bluntly refused to do. She had mentioned that she couldn't provide any service besides BBBJ due to some kind of medical condition as well. Ever since I declined her offer, she's been sending random texts asking to meet. This last one that I got was where it became weird; she sent me a text (I'm assuming it's her) saying that "this is 'kittens' father,' don't ever call this number again or else. " I had never called her number to begin with outside of texting. Then I get another message saying "that's what I thought. " An hour or so later, I get a message from some number with a 914 area code saying "don't ever call this number again or else you'll be talking to the cops. ".

It's amazing how obsessive some people can be. I'm not sure if it really was her father or not, or if it's her getting some of her friends to try and intimidate me because I refused her requests and stopped responding to her, but I also have to consider the fact that she might not have been who she said she was on there, and it was actually some of her family members finding out about her side gig. The whole situation is baffling, but I'm inclined to believe that she was mainly just bitter and upset. Whatever the case is though, I'm glad that I use a texting app instead of my actual number.[/QUOTE]If I had to guess it was probably one of her friends or herself posting that.

For what it's worth, here's some info:

TypicalTurner: transgender.

Nicole1122: seems like she wants $ for pix and online chats / video.

DresdenHope: had scheduled but didn't respond day of until 3 hours later.

Callmemistress: stripper looking for guys to stop by her club.

Angel0182: always texts when I'm not available and never responds to when I am.

Shannnbaby: wants $ upfront for multiple non-sexual dates.

Devgabrielle: wants $ upfront for multiple non-sexual dates.

Curiousinohio: wants 400/ hr.

ForeverMadison: ncns, profile went down 15 min before we were supposed to meet.

Bettie33: worked out details but stopped communicating when it was time to setup a date.

RachelS & Jordananash: both had the same pic but seems like both are gone now.

BeBoop: wants 400/ hr.

Ava xoxo: wants significant $ but won't say how much (more than 300).

BlondeJennifer: has picked up 40 lbs due to health issues and had me pay for a room but decided it was a M&G so wasted $ and time.

Meeka4 you: in Canton and doesn't drive.

Hi,

Can one of you nice gentleman provide the website for these SBs? I'm intrigued. I had the website since clearing my cookies cannot seem to remember.

Thanks,

Al.