Safe Mongering in Honolulu

at the suggestion of cleanman, i'm starting this thread for the sharing of information pertaining to stds, law enforcement, and the security and quality of individual establishments. as always, let's try to keep the thread lean and informative. we already know there are two types of mongers when it comes to stds: those who are willing to take their chances, and those who want to avoid them at all costs. so lets keep the std posts restricted to empirical information and skip the philosophical stuff. the same with le...i think we all agree that our men in blue could be spending their time and our tax dollars more efficiently by going after the crackheads, but for the time being they will be doing the occasional busts, usually for a good reason (immigration, ****, drugs) and not to deprive us of a good time. so, again, objective info about the latest bust, or a suspicious situation, is always helpful; complaining about something we can't change just takes up space. i thank you all in advance for your co-operation!

Brother Chas,

Thank you for starting the thread. You mention two types of mongers, I am the kind of Monger that will not take chances and would like to see my fellow mongers practice safe sex as well and at all times. It's olny good for all of us since our Hobby involves us making sexual contact with the same pool of providers. If we identify any provider that may be infected we should alert others using this forum. I also understand we don't want false accusations or rumors flying around or start a panic. But we should be on the look out for BAD providers that would risk our health for her small financial gain (small relative to our health). Some more experianced Mongers may even have some tips for keeping our sholongs safe from bugs. (like always wear a cover, always)

I know that some Mongers don't want to hear about this subject as it's not a fun topic to discuss, in fact it's a downer subject and we don't even want to think about it. But that's part of the problem that no one wants to discuss it.

We need to protect our selfs, no one else will and keep each other informed. I intend to contiue my Hobby, and I want to stay safe and clean doing it.

IMHO.

Safe Mongering,

Cleranman

[QUOTE=Cleanman]

If we identify any provider that may be infected we should alert others using this forum. [/QUOTE]
There is an old streetwalker (maybe in her forties or fifties) named Linda who works downtown, usually on or in the vicinity of North Kukui Street. She is haole, has blond hair (possibly dyed), has many years of experience as a streetwalker, and often looks tired and glum. Three other streetwalkers, who have previously been reliable sources of information, recently (and independently of each other) said that she has a serious communicable disease. Although I don't know this as a proven fact, downtown hobbyists may want to take it into consideration -- and, at the least, make sure to always use a condom if being serviced by that provider.

[QUOTE=Honolulu Chas]So lets keep the STD posts restricted to empirical information and skip the philosophical stuff.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cleanman]I am the kind of Monger that will not take chances and would like to see my fellow mongers practice safe sex as well and at all times. It's olny good for all of us since our Hobby involves us making sexual contact with the same pool of providers...
Some more experianced Mongers may even have some tips for keeping our sholongs safe from bugs. (like always wear a cover, always) ...
I know that some Mongers don't want to hear about this subject as it's not a fun topic to discuss, in fact it's a downer subject and we don't even want to think about it. But that's part of the problem that no one wants to discuss it...
We need to protect our selfs...[/QUOTE]
You asked him to start the thread. He did. He asked to keep your philosophical ideologies on safe sex OFF this thread and to keep it lean and mean and to the point about specific providers and AMPs. You broke the rule on post #2.

Dude, we've been through this countless times. You ain't gonna change anybody. If you wanna swim in the pool, you gotta expect to share the pool with whomever is in there already.

Not sure of any of your experiences but just to let you know that the state is required to keep data on things like Gonnorhea and Chlamydia. So if you test positive you will be contacted. And then asked to confirm who you got it from and report who else might have been infected f rom yourself. Not a fun due process. Got the Gon from some street worker in Chinatown. Just recieved orally too BBJ but it was many yrs ago. I tried to give an anonymous run around and they wanted to send somebody out for me to drive around to point the person out. Felt criminal to deny but eventually I got off with out having to admit to the kinds of girls I was letting suck on me just to get a few rocks out. Good luck! Don't play that way with "hired" help anymore. Occassionally will recieve BBBJ from online fwb. Thats it!

My 2 cents, based on a lot of research when I started mongering about a year ago:

AIDS: Easy to avoid by wearing a condom during vaginal sex. Debatable whether it is easily passed at all from woman to man even by uncovered vaginal sex. Everyone seems to agree it is easily passable by anal sex, and that condoms break more frequently with anal so the risk is still there even when covered. Everyone seems to agree that there is either no chance or almost no chance of catching it via giving or receiving oral sex, even uncovered. Ditto for DFK. It is possible to catch it those ways, in theory, but there are no credible cases of it. Carefree mongers can do whatever they want. Careful mongers should avoid anal, and likely cover during vaginal. Oral seems safe from AIDS, even uncovered.

Hepatitis A/B/C. A/B are easily prevented with a series of shots. Since it is easily prevented, even carefree mongers should get them. C doesn't seem to be much of a problem as a STD.

Bacterial infections (Gonorrhea, Syphilis, etc.): catchable, but easily curable with a single dose of azithromycin (zithromax). Some married mongers (including myself) take a pre-exposure dose of zithromax, which is easily tolerated by the body in almost everyone's case. You must educate yourself on this drug, since there are some reasons not to take it (if you're taking other drugs, etc.). But since these bacterial infections are so easily treated, it seems no big deal to catch them, although avoidance is better. LK and DFK don't seem to be much of a risk. Oral has some higher risk, but still very low. The fear is that we could monger, then pass it along to spouses - very embarrassing. The prophylactic zithromax avoids this problem easily. Of course, if you monger weekly or more frequently, you'd always be on it, which is not good. Its half life is about 3 days, so if you take 4 pills on day 1, you need 2 more on day 4 to bring you up to full strength. This is particularly good for those who monger overseas for a couple weeks at a time, then come home.

Herpes. 2 kinds - 1 (usually oral) and 2 (usually genital). Both can be oral or genital though. Most of us already have 1. 25% already have 2. Vast majority have no symptoms whatsoever. Difficult to catch 2 from receiving oral sex, but easier to catch it from giving oral sex. No effective vaccine yet. No cure, but it can be controlled with anti-retroviral drugs for the rest of your life. In my humble opinion, Herpes 2 remains the single largest threat to mongers, since everything else can be avoided or cured.

I'm sure I've forgotten, but there's a quick regurgitation of my memory of what I've learned.

Gherkin

I've read all the repost on how fellow monger try to stay safe. Those were mostly at a AMP. Bringing your own "supplies" is a great idea. What about a black light? Is this too extreme? Got a few handheld battery operated, fits in your pocket deal. Most of them under 8 bucks. They all say they change to "clean" sheets and towels but do we really know? When they leave you in the room alone, time to check! What about the back rooms in the bars? I know of a guy that after he dropped his pants and sat in the room developed a nasty sore on his ass the size of a golfball. He said the doctor kinda knew how he got it from and what happened. We can laugh about it now but he was shitting for a while. Try black light the room. Spooky. I for one have sprayed a few walls in a few bars. I never wiped it neither did she. I don't think they disinfect the rooms, or do they? What you bros think?

Latas

Neko

[QUOTE=Poke Heradick]Not sure of any of your experiences but just to let you know that the state is required to keep data on things like Gonnorhea and Chlamydia. So if you test positive you will be contacted. And then asked to confirm who you got it from and report who else might have been infected f rom yourself. Not a fun due process. Got the Gon from some street worker in Chinatown. Just recieved orally too BBJ but it was many yrs ago. I tried to give an anonymous run around and they wanted to send somebody out for me to drive around to point the person out. Felt criminal to deny but eventually I got off with out having to admit to the kinds of girls I was letting suck on me just to get a few rocks out. Good luck! Don't play that way with "hired" help anymore. Occassionally will recieve BBBJ from online fwb. Thats it![/QUOTE]
Yikes!
A very interesting report. Indeed, it does not sound fun at all. So far I've been lucky with my BB*action*. Although I see myself being more on the conservative side nowadays. Mostly because I HATE the Q-tip in the P-hole tests when I need to do the "check/regret test" following such activities. =/

[QUOTE=Gherkin]My 2 cents, based on a lot of research when I started mongering about a year ago:

AIDS: Easy to avoid by wearing a condom during vaginal sex. Debatable whether it is easily passed at all from woman to man even by uncovered vaginal sex. Everyone seems to agree it is easily passable by anal sex, and that condoms break more frequently with anal so the risk is still there even when covered. Everyone seems to agree that there is either no chance or almost no chance of catching it via giving or receiving oral sex, even uncovered. Ditto for DFK. It is possible to catch it those ways, in theory, but there are no credible cases of it. Carefree mongers can do whatever they want. Careful mongers should avoid anal, and likely cover during vaginal. Oral seems safe from AIDS, even uncovered.

Hepatitis A/B/C. A/B are easily prevented with a series of shots. Since it is easily prevented, even carefree mongers should get them. C doesn't seem to be much of a problem as a STD.

Bacterial infections (Gonorrhea, Syphilis, etc.): catchable, but easily curable with a single dose of azithromycin (zithromax). Some married mongers (including myself) take a pre-exposure dose of zithromax, which is easily tolerated by the body in almost everyone's case. You must educate yourself on this drug, since there are some reasons not to take it (if you're taking other drugs, etc.). But since these bacterial infections are so easily treated, it seems no big deal to catch them, although avoidance is better. LK and DFK don't seem to be much of a risk. Oral has some higher risk, but still very low. The fear is that we could monger, then pass it along to spouses - very embarrassing. The prophylactic zithromax avoids this problem easily. Of course, if you monger weekly or more frequently, you'd always be on it, which is not good. Its half life is about 3 days, so if you take 4 pills on day 1, you need 2 more on day 4 to bring you up to full strength. This is particularly good for those who monger overseas for a couple weeks at a time, then come home.

Herpes. 2 kinds - 1 (usually oral) and 2 (usually genital). Both can be oral or genital though. Most of us already have 1. 25% already have 2. Vast majority have no symptoms whatsoever. Difficult to catch 2 from receiving oral sex, but easier to catch it from giving oral sex. No effective vaccine yet. No cure, but it can be controlled with anti-retroviral drugs for the rest of your life. In my humble opinion, Herpes 2 remains the single largest threat to mongers, since everything else can be avoided or cured.

I'm sure I've forgotten, but there's a quick regurgitation of my memory of what I've learned.

Gherkin[/QUOTE]Howsit newbie to the forums, but not to the scene, Gherkin, how would a person get zithro without a perscription? It's not like you can go the your dr and say yo, need some, I thought it was perscript only? BTW all great stuff in this forum, what a tool for us mongers!

Mahaloz

Last time I was on the mainland, I had an anonymous comprehensive STD panel done at [url]www.tstd.org[/url] -- no Q-tips involved. Just pee into the container, and give them some blood. 3 days later, results available online. I think it was about $250. They needed a name to send to the lab, but they said to invent one. The lab, which was just an ordinary diagnostic lab, wasn't interested in checking ID at all - very anonymous. Results are obtained on the web via a tracking number that you get when you sign up. They required that I phoned in before getting access to the web site, just so they could read me some sort of disclaimer. Once again, anonymous other than the tracking number (I used a payphone). I paid with a visa giftcard that I bought for cash at Target.

Gherkin

[QUOTE=Tyrone Biggins]Yikes!

A very interesting report. Indeed, it does not sound fun at all. So far I've been lucky with my BB*action*. Although I see myself being more on the conservative side nowadays. Mostly because I HATE the Q-tip in the P-hole tests when I need to do the "check/regret test" following such activities. =/[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hypo Luxa]You asked him to start the thread. He did. He asked to keep your philosophical ideologies on safe sex OFF this thread and to keep it lean and mean and to the point about specific providers and AMPs. You broke the rule on post #2.

Dude, we've been through this countless times. You ain't gonna change anybody. If you wanna swim in the pool, you gotta expect to share the pool with whomever is in there already.[/QUOTE]I asked for a senior member to start the thread since I can't.

You know I was going to thank Chas on a PM for starting the string but posted instead. Maybe should have sent PM and not have posted. Oh well, Fuck it, I did, so what. I am not a philosopher so excuse me if I sounded like one to you. Don't assume I am on a mission to convert all mongers to wear condoms or make them feel bad or what ever, I am not. I do want to learn any tricks on staying safe (from STD's, LE, etc) for myself, so any ideas for safe mongering is all good to me. I thought others would be intrested in this too, hence the request to start the thread.

[QUOTE=Cleanman]I asked for a senior member to start the thread since I can't.

You know I was going to thank Chas on a PM for starting the string but posted instead. Maybe should have sent PM and not have posted. Oh well, Fuck it, I did, so what. I am not a philosopher so excuse me if I sounded like one to you. Don't assume I am on a mission to convert all mongers to wear condoms or make them feel bad or what ever, I am not. I do want to learn any tricks on staying safe (from STD's, LE, etc) for myself, so any ideas for safe mongering is all good to me. I thought others would be intrested in this too, hence the request to start the thread. [/QUOTE]I think Hypo Luxa was referring to this comment:

[QUOTE=Cleanman][I] would like to see my fellow mongers practice safe sex as well and at all times. [/QUOTE]I think if you had simply stated that you wanted us to avoid catching STIs that would have been a different story. Because as far as I know, that is true.

[QUOTE=Gherkin]My 2 cents, based on a lot of research when I started mongering about a year ago:

AIDS: Easy to avoid by wearing a condom during vaginal sex. Debatable whether it is easily passed at all from woman to man even by uncovered vaginal sex. Everyone seems to agree it is easily passable by anal sex, and that condoms break more frequently with anal so the risk is still there even when covered. Everyone seems to agree that there is either no chance or almost no chance of catching it via giving or receiving oral sex, even uncovered. Ditto for DFK. It is possible to catch it those ways, in theory, but there are no credible cases of it. Carefree mongers can do whatever they want. Careful mongers should avoid anal, and likely cover during vaginal. Oral seems safe from AIDS, even uncovered. [/QUOTE]Agree. However, condoms slipping or there were reports on using oil based lubes which compromise the integrity of the condom which may cause a problem. Any sores (eg. See herpes below) in the mouth or breaks in the skin + body fluids can also increase risks of HIV. Oral sex therefore is NOT completely safe. A report in the past indicated that he brings a flashlight for "inspection. " Funny but eh, he's being "safe. "

[/QUOTE]Hepatitis A/B/C. A/B are easily prevented with a series of shots. Since it is easily prevented, even carefree mongers should get them. C doesn't seem to be much of a problem as a STD. [/QUOTE]Hep A usually does not kill you nor does it stay in your system. You get sick. Sometimes very sick, then it passes. Hep B can be prevented. Most younger people have gotten the immunization. If unsure, ask your doc and blood tests can be done to check. If not immunized, GET IT. Most folks who get hep B can clear it but not everyone does. Hep C is one of the fastest growing liver diseases in the country. However, it is kind of like HIV in that you need a break in the skin or a sore in the mouth. Typical sex will not (likely) get you hep C. However, hep C will also kill you and treatments are not pretty (no guarantee for a cure). [/QUOTE]Bacterial infections (Gonorrhea, Syphilis, etc.): catchable, but easily curable with a single dose of azithromycin (zithromax). Some married mongers (including myself) take a pre-exposure dose of zithromax, which is easily tolerated by the body in almost everyone's case. You must educate yourself on this drug, since there are some reasons not to take it (if you're taking other drugs, etc.). But since these bacterial infections are so easily treated, it seems no big deal to catch them, although avoidance is better. LK and DFK don't seem to be much of a risk. Oral has some higher risk, but still very low. The fear is that we could monger, then pass it along to spouses. Very embarrassing. The prophylactic zithromax avoids this problem easily. Of course, if you monger weekly or more frequently, you'd always be on it, which is not good. Its half life is about 3 days, so if you take 4 pills on day 1, you need 2 more on day 4 to bring you up to full strength. This is particularly good for those who monger overseas for a couple weeks at a time, then come home. [/QUOTE]Zithromax is considered a second line drug for STDs like gonorrhea. It used to be that pills like Cipro, Ofloxacin etc. Were used here in Hawaii. Now there are resistant strains. Zithro also needs to be taken in a 2gram dose. It can also cause a lot of abdominal cramping as well as diarrhea when taken at this dose. I am not certain about Gherkin, but potentially he may be undertreating for gonorrhea. 1gram for chlamydia. I do not believe syphilis can be cured with Zithro. Usu treatment is penicillin only I think. Don't think that Zithro is a wonder drug.

[/QUOTE]Herpes. 2 kinds. 1 (usually oral) and 2 (usually genital). Both can be oral or genital though. Most of us already have 1. 25% already have 2. Vast majority have no symptoms whatsoever. Difficult to catch 2 from receiving oral sex, but easier to catch it from giving oral sex. No effective vaccine yet. No cure, but it can be controlled with anti-retroviral drugs for the rest of your life. In my humble opinion, Herpes 2 remains the single largest threat to mongers, since everything else can be avoided or cured.

I'm sure I've forgotten, but there's a quick regurgitation of my memory of what I've learned.

Gherkin[/QUOTE]I worry about herps as well as genital warts which really cannot be cured. Treated yes, but not cured. The pics on the internet are ugly.

All that being said, I'm still out there. I cover 100% but still get checked regularly. BB or not, the best thing to do is to get checked regularly as you can have an STD potentially without any clear symptoms.

Stay safe out there!

VS

[QUOTE=Gherkin]Last time I was on the mainland, I had an anonymous comprehensive STD panel done at [url]www.tstd.org[/url] -- no Q-tips involved. Just pee into the container, and give them some blood. 3 days later, results available online. I think it was about $250. They needed a name to send to the lab, but they said to invent one. The lab, which was just an ordinary diagnostic lab, wasn't interested in checking ID at all - very anonymous. Results are obtained on the web via a tracking number that you get when you sign up. They required that I phoned in before getting access to the web site, just so they could read me some sort of disclaimer. Once again, anonymous other than the tracking number (I used a payphone). I paid with a visa giftcard that I bought for cash at Target.

Gherkin[/QUOTE]Wow no q-tips; that's awesome!

[QUOTE=Hypo Luxa]You asked him to start the thread. He did. He asked to keep your philosophical ideologies on safe sex OFF this thread and to keep it lean and mean and to the point about specific providers and AMPs. You broke the rule on post #2.

Dude, we've been through this countless times. You ain't gonna change anybody. If you wanna swim in the pool, you gotta expect to share the pool with whomever is in there already.[/QUOTE]

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