"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Two weeks in SA for suger bowl play, I think I scored one UTR, one Escort and only one true SB but she is not that good in bed and I am too lazy to teach her I may not repeat.

It is more complicated that I expect- a total different game. I would say P411 and USAAC sometime is more straightforward and easier to play. Here are my thoughts and your comment are welcome.

1. didn't expect there are so many scammers- escorts, UTRs and even worse real sacmmers who aim to rob or blackmail you. No such issue on P411. Have to ask SA why we SDs have to deal with these crap when we paying 80-90/ Mon. For the premium membership.

2 it is much more time consuming to hunt for good SBs. I am still in game with 2-3 pot but when my work getting busy, I prob don't have the time play the game. Seems to me it is easier just read reviews on ter and find a highly reviewed GFE escort and make reservation then I am done- No scammers and risk free.

3. While we SDs have to weed out the nongenuine SBs, the new joined college SBs are scarred off SA by flood of P2 P offers. Anyone can give SA a solution on these. I think they should probably just verify identify of everyone so this site is clean.

Anyway. That is my rant. Now I am going back to textings w my POTs- these two both want M&G next week and hope I can score a good SB.

[QUOTE=JoeBogus;2454245]From a midwest hobbist I just want to thank all of you here on the SB thread. In a month I've contacted 6 or 8 POTS and run all of them through the 5 steps. Not one that has gotten to step 4 has turned down the $100 per meerting offer.

My first success was one that short circuited my steps and texted me to come see her on her day off from work. Went right to the FC. She was just OK in my eyes, but she wants another meeting.

This is fun.[/QUOTE]I tried search and go through earlier pages from 2015. No luck to find HollywoodGuys 5 step game plan. Can HollywoodGuy or other seniors here repost it??

Thanks for helping out new guys here.

And just because they are gorgeous doesn't mean shit, I had a gorgeous one but once we met I soon realized I had a GPS girl on my hands. Her sexual skills and attitude were lacking and crappy.

[QUOTE=MossyMoss;3780032]Hey all,

This is my first post on here, but I have been around the game for a little while, and am just now trying to get back into it after a few year hiatus. I realize it may be asking for a lot being my first post here.

The SA site is new to me and I know there is 660 pages on here of information, and some very good information as well, just been too much to find everything I am looking for.

I am trying to stay within a pretty specific area near where I live (middle peninsula).

Found one girl that is gorgeous, and was wondering if anyone had any Intel on her before taking the monthly plunge on the site (or if she is able to read messages without full membership). Her profile is Skm77.

Again any info about the site would be beneficial.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Statecho;3781957]I tried search and go through earlier pages from 2015. No luck to find HollywoodGuys 5 step game plan. Can HollywoodGuy or other seniors here repost it??

Thanks for helping out new guys here.[/QUOTE]Go to the LA Sd thread. You should find him there. He has certain taste that work for the group he is searching in. At one time his max was 100 and anything spent during meeting was deducted from the 100. Really doubt his sb came from sa but the LA thread is where you will find him.

[QUOTE=Statecho;3781957]I tried search and go through earlier pages from 2015. No luck to find HollywoodGuys 5 step game plan. Can HollywoodGuy or other seniors here repost it??

Thanks for helping out new guys here.[/QUOTE]It's linked in the thread FAQ I put together a couple years ago, towards the bottom of the "Part 2: Contacting" entry here: [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ&p=2480292&viewfull=1#post2480292[/URL].

Do some guys have non-physical relationships with SBs? I've come across a few girls that say they get paid to hang out with men without having to do anything sexual. These girls want $400+ to go out to dinner and say that talking about paying for sex is off limits. I'm sure for some there is a crazy amount they would accept to have sex but I am curious to find out if anyone pays for a truly platonic relationship.

I'm sure it happens, but you can bet it is much more rare than they will admit. Girls will lie about the allowance they have received and about having platonic relationships.

There are all kinds of forums with advice to girls on how to land a "Platonic" sugar daddy. Most advice involves leading the guy on, making him believe intimacy is around the corner while extracting as much money from the guy as possible. They give advice on how to find gullable, desperate men with money. I'm sure many girls initially join with the intent of being platonic only to learn that isn't realistic. They either leave the site or reset their standards.

I think many girls also falsely claim to be platonic to their boyfriends, friends and family that learn about their sugar lifestyle.

I've known several girls that claimed to be platonic in their profile, but were open to intimacy. One had a boyfriend who knew she was on the site and she told him she was only platonic and even showed him her profile as proof. Another claimed to use it to weed out the straight Pay 4 Play guys, but was open to it for the right guy if the connection was there.

I made some newbie mistakes early on and allowed some girls to get money from me before "the panties hit the floor". That doesn't happen anymore, but we all make rookie mistakes. That's why it is valuable to learn from others and read this forum.

[QUOTE=RVASpider;3782664]Do some guys have non-physical relationships with SBs? I've come across a few girls that say they get paid to hang out with men without having to do anything sexual. These girls want $400+ to go out to dinner and say that talking about paying for sex is off limits. I'm sure for some there is a crazy amount they would accept to have sex but I am curious to find out if anyone pays for a truly platonic relationship.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Statecho;3781957]I tried search and go through earlier pages from 2015. No luck to find HollywoodGuys 5 step game plan. Can HollywoodGuy or other seniors here repost it??

Thanks for helping out new guys here.[/QUOTE]Start with the Index and FAQ. However, I highly recommend looking at it as an overall glimpse into the perspective of various SDs, and not so much a how-to guide to be followed to the letter. Read it and try to develop your own style. I've written a lot about what works for me, but my game hinges on exercise as a mandatory component of it, and I would have diminished results due to lower T levels and sexual performance if I stopped exercising and let myself go, I'm sure.

HWG's "stepped game plan", to the best of my knowledge, hinged on sending out pre-typed marketing blasts to lots of girls offering specific amounts of money. I don't know if people still do this, but I do know SA now detects this "form letter" approach to mails and some members have reported account suspension over these marketing blasts. Further more, this technique only works with pros, a real SB will get creeped out by offers for money in the first message -- you have to be much smoother than this if you want to land a real SB. What's more, increasingly, it's a very bad idea to make any sort of monetary offer for sex over digital communications, and it not only puts the hobby in jeopardy, and you at legal risk, but it draws more pros to SA and makes it harder to find a real SB. So much so, that if you read some of the SB boards in other cities, you'll find a lot of sugaring noobs don't even know the difference between an SB and a utr/pro.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3782787]I'm sure it happens, but you can bet it is much more rare than they will admit. Girls will lie about the allowance they have received and about having platonic relationships.

There are all kinds of forums with advice to girls on how to land a "Platonic" sugar daddy. Most advice involves leading the guy on, making him believe intimacy is around the corner while extracting as much money from the guy as possible. They give advice on how to find gullable, desperate men with money. I'm sure many girls initially join with the intent of being platonic only to learn that isn't realistic. They either leave the site or reset their standards.

I think many girls also falsely claim to be platonic to their boyfriends, friends and family that learn about their sugar lifestyle.

I've known several girls that claimed to be platonic in their profile, but were open to intimacy. One had a boyfriend who knew she was on the site and she told him she was only platonic and even showed him her profile as proof. Another claimed to use it to weed out the straight Pay 4 Play guys, but was open to it for the right guy if the connection was there.

I made some newbie mistakes early on and allowed some girls to get money from me before "the panties hit the floor". That doesn't happen anymore, but we all make rookie mistakes. That's why it is valuable to learn from others and read this forum.[/QUOTE]It's amazing how different I handle the site and the relationships now than when I first joined. Much of change is because of what I've learned here. I luckily have not paid for any meet and greets but I know it happens. I usually tell them that I'll pick up the tab for coffee or drinks and we can discuss details at that meeting. If it's not something I want to pursue, I'm out no more than $20-$25 for a couple of drinks. The site can be addicting and I can see how people can easily get sucked in and scammed out of money. Thankfully I found this site before I went too far with that one.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3782787]I'm sure it happens, but you can bet it is much more rare than they will admit. Girls will lie about the allowance they have received and about having platonic relationships.

There are all kinds of forums with advice to girls on how to land a "Platonic" sugar daddy. Most advice involves leading the guy on, making him believe intimacy is around the corner while extracting as much money from the guy as possible. They give advice on how to find gullable, desperate men with money. I'm sure many girls initially join with the intent of being platonic only to learn that isn't realistic. They either leave the site or reset their standards.

I think many girls also falsely claim to be platonic to their boyfriends, friends and family that learn about their sugar lifestyle.

I've known several girls that claimed to be platonic in their profile, but were open to intimacy. One had a boyfriend who knew she was on the site and she told him she was only platonic and even showed him her profile as proof. Another claimed to use it to weed out the straight Pay 4 Play guys, but was open to it for the right guy if the connection was there.

I made some newbie mistakes early on and allowed some girls to get money from me before "the panties hit the floor". That doesn't happen anymore, but we all make rookie mistakes. That's why it is valuable to learn from others and read this forum.[/QUOTE]The trick to weed those out who lead you on is to simply say you're patient but not desperate, and so it can go at her pace but the arrangement doesn't begin until she's comfortable. Other than maybe a coupe of dollars for gas and buying the meal / drinks, do not provide any support. If she's just leading you on with promises of intimacy but has no intent of doing it, she will quickly disappear in search of a sucker. If she's sincere about being up for it but wants to take her time, then this will only help speed it up.

And yes, they embellish / lie to their friends and family about their experiences, both about allowances and intimacy. I've been with two girls with bf's and one with a hubby that knew they were on the site, but thought they were on there and getting paid to go to shows and dinners with 80 yo guys, meanwhile we were spending several hours in a hotel room. Had a M&G with one a while back where over drinks she says she wants platonic companionship only. I nicely explained that it was unrealistic but she was firm and absolutely convinced that it was possible and common, b / c her friend had been doing platonic only arrangements for the last 2 years. I suggested the friend might be exaggerating, and she was incredulous. I remained respectful, convo was pleasant, and then before we left asked to see a pic of the friend "out of curiousity. " Sure enough it was a girl I had taken to the FC several times a year or so ago LOL. Platonic my ass, she just didn't want to admit what she was doing, but this girl believed her 1000% and created a profile thinking she could do that too. She deleted the profile like a week later.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3783018]
And yes, they embellish / lie to their friends and family about their experiences, both about allowances and intimacy. I've been with two girls with bf's and one with a hubby that knew they were on the site, but thought they were on there and getting paid to go to shows and dinners with 80 yo guys, meanwhile we were spending several hours in a hotel room. Had a M&G with one a while back where over drinks she says she wants platonic companionship only. I nicely explained that it was unrealistic but she was firm and absolutely convinced that it was possible and common, b / c her friend had been doing platonic only arrangements for the last 2 years. I suggested the friend might be exaggerating, and she was incredulous. I remained respectful, convo was pleasant, and then before we left asked to see a pic of the friend "out of curiousity. " Sure enough it was a girl I had taken to the FC several times a year or so ago LOL. Platonic my ass, she just didn't want to admit what she was doing, but this girl believed her 1000% and created a profile thinking she could do that too. She deleted the profile like a week later.[/QUOTE]This friggin paragraph.

It's all you need to know about how girls talk about their experience to each other and to new SDs.

I've had success with "platonic" girls by being patient and respectful as well. The temptation is to call them out on it, but what's the point of that?

I let them know that I'm not looking for a platonic relationship and that no relationship would hold my attention long if intimacy wasn't ultimately a part of it. I tell them I'm willing to go slow and get to know each other before starting an arrangement. If that is not what they are looking for, I let them know I respect their view, wish them luck and to let me know if they reconsider.

Thanks to how many guys act on the site, it doesn't take them long to see reality. If they disappear, I saved myself some wasted time. If they contact me again, I know they understand my expectations.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;3783018]The trick to weed those out who lead you on is to simply say you're patient but not desperate, and so it can go at her pace but the arrangement doesn't begin until she's comfortable. Other than maybe a coupe of dollars for gas and buying the meal / drinks, do not provide any support. If she's just leading you on with promises of intimacy but has no intent of doing it, she will quickly disappear in search of a sucker. If she's sincere about being up for it but wants to take her time, then this will only help speed it up.

And yes, they embellish / lie to their friends and family about their experiences, both about allowances and intimacy. I've been with two girls with bf's and one with a hubby that knew they were on the site, but thought they were on there and getting paid to go to shows and dinners with 80 yo guys, meanwhile we were spending several hours in a hotel room. Had a M&G with one a while back where over drinks she says she wants platonic companionship only. I nicely explained that it was unrealistic but she was firm and absolutely convinced that it was possible and common, b / c her friend had been doing platonic only arrangements for the last 2 years. I suggested the friend might be exaggerating, and she was incredulous. I remained respectful, convo was pleasant, and then before we left asked to see a pic of the friend "out of curiousity. " Sure enough it was a girl I had taken to the FC several times a year or so ago LOL. Platonic my ass, she just didn't want to admit what she was doing, but this girl believed her 1000% and created a profile thinking she could do that too. She deleted the profile like a week later.[/QUOTE]

Dipping my toe in the bowl and lined up a M&G.

Thanks to the great info on this site, I was able to find out who she really is and quite a bit of info about her.

Pretty sure she has a boyfriend. Should I be worried about them scamming?

Anyone have experience with girls who have boyfriends / SO where it went bad because they were both trying to scam you?

Am I being overly paranoid?

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;3783181]I've had success with "platonic" girls by being patient and respectful as well. The temptation is to call them out on it, but what's the point of that?

I let them know that I'm not looking for a platonic relationship and that no relationship would hold my attention long if intimacy wasn't ultimately a part of it. I tell them I'm willing to go slow and get to know each other before starting an arrangement. If that is not what they are looking for, I let them know I respect their view, wish them luck and to let me know if they reconsider.

Thanks to how many guys act on the site, it doesn't take them long to see reality. If they disappear, I saved myself some wasted time. If they contact me again, I know they understand my expectations.[/QUOTE]I'm very intrigued by this approach. How were the girl's performance once they agreed to go through with it? Were the experiences below or above average? PM if you'd like.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;3783195]I'm very intrigued by this approach. How were the girl's performance once they agreed to go through with it? Were the experiences below or above average? PM if you'd like.[/QUOTE]I've had one that said it was platonic only, went out for drinks, and ended up having fun in my car that night. It was fantastic and I've seen her twice since then. I feel like I've weeded through about 50 girls through messaging and have about 10-12 that I've either met or expect to meet soon.